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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 10:27am On Nov 12, 2015
Rumours going round that Emenalo might be the one to get the sack.

Ibime don go church for thanksgiving grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:10am On Nov 12, 2015
mithel:
I would add that Mourinho's management of our youth players must be the worst among all other managers we have had.

Case study: Lukaku. I read someone talking about players been ready to commit to training and all, I follow Lukaku on Twitter, the kind of motivation he had to play for us was so high, but what happened mou brought an aging Eto'o to push back his development, I think that was the most demoralising thing could have ever done to the boy. Even me wey dey house was like FFS etoo, not even with all the stuff he had said about Chelsea earlier. Mourinho alienated Lukaku from Chelsea bit by bit till the boy didn't care about following in his mentors footsteps(Drogba) again.

Bertrand (if I add PvA, you lots would judge him with Sunderland ) : It's a normal story waiting and bidding for your time because a legend in your position is still at the club, but it's another when one manager puts enough faith in you to give you a debut in a UCL final and with the legend gone, another deems it fit to play a RB in your position or even go ahead to get a 29 year old washed up LB to fill your space on the bench.

Those are just 2,these examples are shining lights for those boys in the academy and those on loans, these players were supposed to be the sign that if you go on loan and play well, you have a chance at the club, but alas even the best of them weren't given the chance, what is left, a bunch of demotivated players,ready to continue extending their contracts and enjoying their loans spells.

Players like Josh, chalobah, piazon have already been lost to that demotivated and demoralised pit, hoping kalas(better that Djilobodji), baker(better than mikel), RLC (someone called him don Gordon, lol what is he supposed to do, imagine having a good performance, then the manager ships you off at half time because he ain't got balls), bamford(who started training earlier than most of our players this season,-(was on Twitter and Instagram)... Don't fall into that pit too.


Now that's a point of view still not considered yet - the psychological impact. It's not mental weakness when a young player gets demoralised by insufficient chances to prove themselves, when they are behind an in-form world class player. What is crazily heart-breaking is when a manager would rather play a RB in your position in a dead-rubber game than give you chances; when a manager would rather buy an ex-service man and push you down the pecking order and/or when you sit on the bench and watch the drivel being delivered by the likes of Falcao, knowing your output is not far off, yet not given any chances to try.

This impact is invisible and cannot be measured. If someone like Lukaku (the seemingly ready type) can get demoralised by such events, imagine those younger.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:11am On Nov 12, 2015
mithel:
Rumours going round that Emenalo might be the one to get the sack.

Ibime don go church for thanksgiving grin grin

Ibime has slaughtered an Ewu on the altar of Amadioha. grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 11:29am On Nov 12, 2015
Chelsea technical director Michael Emenalo is under pressure following the Blues’ disastrous start to the season, as per the Mirror.

The Nigerian transfer guru is also feeling the heat after a flurry of high-profile flops, including the likes of Filipe Luis, Mohamed Salah and Juan Cuadrado – who have all been offloaded, as stated in the report.

Emenalo, 50, worked in both the scouting and coaching departments at the reigning Premier League champions and could face the axe following a series of mistakes in the transfer markets.

Chelsea missed out on top target John Stones in the summer, with under-fire boss José Mourinho made to settle for the £2m signing of relatively unknown defender, Papy Djilobodji instead. The Blues have also been forced to see off several misfiring stars after poor spells at Stamford Bridge.


Luis was sold back to Atletico Madrid in the summer, while Salah and Cuadrado were both farmed out on loan to Roma and Juventus respectively – with neither of the duo unlikely to make a return to Chelsea at the end of their loan spells.

The emboldened though, Hector and Papy comes to mind.

Ibime send me a bottle of Jack Daniels ASAP. Your spells just got powerful. grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 11:42am On Nov 12, 2015
Ibime right now
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:49am On Nov 12, 2015
@Mithel,I think you are doing Azpi a great disservice by comparing him to Betrand.

Bertrand and Azpi are around the same age. Azpi cost only 7 million pounds. He was not a big money purchase 'that must play'. He is a naturally a right back.

If you look at the scenario objectively and without bias, it is immediately obvious that there was an opportunity for Betrand to claim that LB slot if he was good enough.

The manager did not 'opt to play a right back' in Bertrand's position as you put it...the manager opted to play the 'better player' at left back.

Filipe Luis was signed for twice the amount that Azpi was signed for on the back of winning la liga and getting to the UCL finals. He also could not pass Azpi bus stop. He too was benched by a right back in the left back position.

If your call for 'youth integration' is simply to provide permanent bench fodder, then OYO lo wa.

Calling Betrand as an example of a youth that got away is just laughable. If Bertrand saw Azpi strolling through the streets of Southampton today, he will quickly look for a bench to sit down on. That is standard.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:28pm On Nov 12, 2015
Emenalo is sacked.

Just the way some fans want it.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:32pm On Nov 12, 2015
ollah1:
Emenalo is sacked.

Just the way some fans want it.

Where you hear that one?

He has not been sacked.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:06pm On Nov 12, 2015
That a manager doesn't like a player doesn't make a player 'not good enough'. Bias and sentiments is part of the current problem with Chelsea. We have a manager who has thrown out decent players because of his personal reasons instead of looking out for the overall well being of the club.
We lost Schurrle, Debruyne, Mata, Bertrand, Lukaku and a host of others for no tangible reason. I can imagine if we had these players today, surely we wouldn't be this far down. If Emenalo should go, he should go along with Mourhino.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 2:25pm On Nov 12, 2015
sephia:
That a manager doesn't like a player doesn't make a player 'not good enough'. Bias and sentiments is part of the current problem with Chelsea. We have a manager who has thrown out decent players because of his personal reasons instead of looking out for the overall well being of the club.
We lost Schurrle, Debruyne, Mata, Bertrand, Lukaku and a host of others for no tangible reason. I can imagine if we had these players today, surely we wouldn't be this far down. If Emenalo should go, he should go along with Mourhino.
Mata,Schrulle and Lukaku are very good sales..Lukaku was very impatient, If he had stayed he would have played more minutes than Diego even though he would be Second choice......
Mata was very right decision,If KDB had stayed no one would be thinking of Mata
And Schrulle is the poorest winger we have had after our Uck triumph, completely useless with the ball,he just has the runs off the ball


We know the Mourinho buys,the only one you can question is Felipe........
Imagine Emenalo signing Djilibodji, a player Sunderland and Norwich rejected and Hector( a guy soo poor that reading, I repeat reading is giving him loans to improve)
The idiot had to wait till City nearly humiliated us before signing Pedro
Mourinho protected Emenalo enough, he was always trying to present it as if he didn't want to sign the players and not Emenalo's fault but we gat eyes to see...


Something has to changed.....
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:47pm On Nov 12, 2015
sephia:
That a manager doesn't like a player doesn't make a player 'not good enough'. Bias and sentiments is part of the current problem with Chelsea. We have a manager who has thrown out decent players because of his personal reasons instead of looking out for the overall well being of the club.
We lost Schurrle, Debruyne, Mata, Bertrand, Lukaku and a host of others for no tangible reason. I can imagine if we had these players today, surely we wouldn't be this far down. If Emenalo should go, he should go along with Mourhino.

Over the years, it has become very obvious that you don't seem to have a mind of your own, and just tend to follow and regurgitate popular opinion.

Now you say we've lost Betrand and Lukaku for 'no tangible reason'

2 years ago, this is what you were saying on Lukaku

sephia:
Mou has a point. Playing for Everton is not the same as playing for Chelsea. Lukaku will still not flourish in Chelsea system.

Coogar has a point, the Chelsea system is not exactly built for strikers to flourish except for an extraordinary striker like Drog.

That is no excuse for Torres flopping though. Torres is lazy and lacks ambition and is only just becoming decent this season. Personally i have no qualms with Lukaku leaving. Having him here doesn't mean he will bang in the goals.

And

sephia:


I dunno, was having issues with logging in.

Thankfully the FA will not charge Hazard for the ball boy incidence. Time to reclaim the spot as the Marin, Bertrand experiment isn't working.

Out of all that lot, the only mistakes were selling Lukaku and arguably Mata.

Saying the others should not have been let go is just pure revisionism.

During the same period boys on these very thread were claiming that KDB was wasted at 10 because he was a better winger. In fact some people said Schurlle was better than De Bruyne. That was another argument because nobody could even tell where his best position was.


Where is that Schurlle today now sef?

KDB had to go and develop at a place where he would get unlimited game time under limited pressure before he became the player he is today.

And this is what I've been saying over and over again. Chelsea is not the kind of club where you learn your craft. It is the kind of club where you perfect your craft.

The pressures of competing for the league title and in Europe means that nobody got time to baby you as a youngster.

I'm done with this discussion sef. It's not like I get paid to defend our youth policy.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 2:47pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinholic:

Mata,Schrulle and Lukaku are very good sales..Lukaku was very impatient, If he had stayed he would have played more minutes than Diego even though he would be Second choice......
Mata was very right decision,If KDB had stayed no one would be thinking of Mata
And Schrulle is the poorest winger we have had after our Uck triumph, completely useless with the ball,he just has the runs off the ball


We know the Mourinho buys,the only one you can question is Felipe........
Imagine Emenalo signing Djilibodji, a player Sunderland and Norwich rejected and Hector( a guy soo poor that reading, I repeat reading is giving him loans to improve)
The idiot had to wait till City nearly humiliated us before signing Pedro
Mourinho protected Emenalo enough, he was always trying to present it as if he didn't want to sign the players and not Emenalo's fault but we gat eyes to see...


Something has to changed.....

Explain to me how the sale of your player of two seasons was the right decision
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:59pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinholic:

Mata,Schrulle and Lukaku are very good sales..Lukaku was very impatient, If he had stayed he would have played more minutes than Diego even though he would be Second choice......

Lukaku had every right under the sun to be impatient.

This was my take on it last year....
Nihilist:
Daftness...Daftness everywhere...



Last season Lukaku scored against Liverpool, Arsenal and Mancity.
The only club in the Top 4 last season that didnt chop it was the one Lukaku was ineligible to face.
How is Torres better in this regard? Daft statement Number 1



Did Lukaku get the chance to play in the big games? He's been farmed out on loan twice in a row so what is the basis of your assertion that 'Lukaku cannot be trusted with big games'? Daft statement Number 2


Strikers are attackers. That is their job. Why on earth should a striker be DEFENDING?
Daft statement Number 3


Daft statement Number 4

Costa was fantastic last season, but has only ever scored more than ten in a league season on one occasion- Lukaku has done so four times. Costa's shot accuracy in the league (57%) was also lower than Lukaku's(67%) last season.

Lukaku won 38% of his aerial duels (compared to Costa's 21%) and was dispossessed only 1.7 times per game in the Premier League compared to Costa's 3.6



Daftness....daftness everywhere...

Guess what happened?

Last season Costa 22 goals all competitions

Lukaku 20.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 3:23pm On Nov 12, 2015
Nihilist:


Over the years, it has become very obvious that you don't seem to have a mind of your own, and just tend to follow and regurgitate popular opinion.



Now you say we've lost Betrand and Lukaku for 'no tangible reason'

2 years ago, this is what you were saying on Lukaku



And



Out of all that lot, the only mistakes were selling Lukaku and arguably Mata.

Saying the others should not have been let go is just pure revisionism.

During the same period boys on these very thread were claiming that KDB was wasted at 10 because he was a better winger. In fact some people said Schurlle was better than De Bruyne. That was another argument because nobody could even tell where his best position was.


Where is that Schurlle today now sef?

KDB had to go and develop at a place where he would get unlimited game time under limited pressure before he became the player he is today.

And this is what I've been saying over and over again. Chelsea is not the kind of club where you learn your craft. It is the kind of club where you perfect your craft.

The pressures of competing for the league title and in Europe means that nobody got time to baby you as a youngster.

I'm done with this discussion sef. It's not like I get paid to defend our youth policy.



This is the only part i care to reply since i find it a little insulting.

I don't seem to have a mind of my own? Lol. Since you're digging for old post, you might as well dig further. Many of the fans here disagreed with the sale of Lukaku then. In hindsight, i realize Lukaku would have been better off than Eto, Remi and Falcao. I'm sure i have a right to hindsight.
I'm clamoring for a change in manager while almost everyone want's the manager to remain and yet you say i'm following the bandwagon? Nihilist go and drink a beer.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by weedtaker: 3:25pm On Nov 12, 2015
Cool analysis cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:39pm On Nov 12, 2015
sephia:


This is the only part i care to reply since i find it a little insulting.

I don't seem to have a mind of my own? Lol. Since you're digging for old post, you might as well dig further. Many of the fans here disagreed with the sale of Lukaku then. In hindsight, i realize Lukaku would have been better off than Eto, Remi and Falcao. I'm sure i have a right to hindsight.
I'm clamoring for a change in manager while almost everyone want's the manager to remain and yet you say i'm following the bandwagon? Nihilist go and drink a beer.



I am sorry if you feel insulted. That was never the intention at all.

However what I said was based on my perception of you. I did not go digging for old posts as you say. I remembered them.
At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi though Lukaku wasnt good enough. I remember arguing with Nateevs(Oh the delicious irony grin) who claimed that Lukaku was not good enough to lead the line for us because the way teams set up against Everton was not the same way they do against Chelsea.

Back then 'Youth Out' was a popular sentiment and you were a visible proponent. This year 'Youth in' is In, and you are once again a visible proponent.

You mention hindsight...hindsight vision is always 20/20. The clearest you can get. Please tell if you would look back favourably in hindsight on a manager that persisted with Bertrand as 1st choice LB, McEchran and Romeu as 1st choice centre mids, and 'that' KDB in attacking midfield....
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 3:41pm On Nov 12, 2015
dopeJemi:


Explain to me how the sale of your player of two seasons was the right decision
Mata is that kinda player that scores or assists a goal and makes you concede 2........
Whatever we won during Mata's time here was because di Matteo used Lamps,Meireles,Mikel,Ramires just to cover up for Mata.....
After signing Hazard and Oscar,with a midfield of Rami and Mikel and there was no one to cover for the weak Mata we won 1 out of 7 trophies that year..just 1

KDB is the regret,Mata for 39m? Jackpot

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:45pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinholic:

Mata is that kinda player that scores or assists a goal and makes you concede 2........
Whatever we won during Mata's time here was because di Matteo used Lamps,Meireles,Mikel,Ramires just to cover up for Mata.....
After signing Hazard and Oscar,with a midfield of Rami and Mikel and there was no one to cover for the weak Mata we won 1 out of 7 trophies that year..just 1

KDB is the regret,Mata for 39m? Jackpot

Story...yet Mourinho quickly went to look for Fabregas who is a defensive liability to provide creativity in the midfield?

In case you forgot, Fabregas was the most dribbled past player in our team last season. And thank God you can see how much he was being covered for this season.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 3:57pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinholic:

Mata is that kinda player that scores or assists a goal and makes you concede 2........
Whatever we won during Mata's time here was because di Matteo used Lamps,Meireles,Mikel,Ramires just to cover up for Mata.....
After signing Hazard and Oscar,with a midfield of Rami and Mikel and there was no one to cover for the weak Mata we won 1 out of 7 trophies that year..just 1

KDB is the regret,Mata for 39m? Jackpot

And mata is to blame? Are you actually blaming mata for chelsea's inability to win major trophies that year? His top priority was to create chances which he did, he did his job offensively, every player on the pitch have their responsibilities... some of your comrades here were defending hazard when mourinho slated him for not tracking back enough to defend saying it would hinder his development and all, and that is the same reason why you guys are justifying mata's sale

Every player in that team helped each other one way or the other, you say y'all fielded the likes of Meireles, lampard and the rest just to cover up for Mata, why didn't y'all field another set of players with the same capabilities the next season so the boy could carry out his work

How many defensive work does silva or ozil do for their team? What they can't do at the back, they do at the front... it's the coach's job to complement the team and give it the right balance, there's no reason to justify mata's sale, if you feel there still is, then hazard should be sold

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 12, 2015
Nihilist:


I am sorry if you feel insulted. That was never the intention at all.

However what I said was based on my perception of you. I did not go digging for old posts as you say. I remembered them.
At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi though Lukaku wasnt good enough. I remember arguing with Nateevs(Oh the delicious irony grin) who claimed that Lukaku was not good enough to lead the line for us because the way teams set up against Everton was not the same way they do against Chelsea.

Back then 'Youth Out' was a popular sentiment and you were a visible proponent. This year 'Youth in' is In, and you are once again a visible proponent.

You mention hindsight...hindsight vision is always 20/20. The clearest you can get. Please tell if you would look back favourably in hindsight on a manager that persisted with Bertrand as 1st choice LB, McEchran and Romeu as 1st choice centre mids, and 'that' KDB in attacking midfield....



Ibime was even one of the supporters of Lukaku as at then...

Ibime:


Absolute nonsense.

Has Chelsea been playing the same style of football for the last 6 years?

Whatever skills DD used to "succeed" is the same skillset Lukaku possesses.

Lukaku has played a sum total of 30 mins so on what basis would an uninformed person claim Lukaku cannot succeed?

Lukaku in AVBs season played a couple of substitute matches in the right wing position and never as no 9.

So his total time in the no9 position amounts to about 30 mins since he signed.

Yet you listen to some uninformed nincompoop who told you the no9 position is cursed at Chelsea.

The only person who cursed the no9 position is the shekpe keeper.

JM made a big mistake on Lukaku issue. His only mitigation is that he does not know Eto real age cos on the face of it, you expect not to have any qualms letting Lukaku gain experience whilst a "32 year old" proven World Class striker leads your line plus the obligatory squad position for Torres. But those of us who knew better could have told JM this is a faulty assumption.

You seem to have an axe to grind. embarassed My take on youth is clear enough. Integrate the youth into the senior squad as a gradual process. I have especially felt the need for that as a result of our present predicament where the full first team is under performing. Now, you can't go and buy players, it's only sensible that you give some of the more motivated youths some player time to see what impact it would make.

Again, it is only sensible that with the current cost of purchasing players, common sense dictates that we need to start grooming a good number of squad players instead of continuing to gamble away millions on established names that may end up as flops. A player would not gather experience by sitting on the bench. If he can get play time in other clubs, he can get play time here. There are enough competitions in England to ensure that.

At no time did anymore clamour for a squad consisting of Blackman down to Kennedy. That you have a different opinion doesn't make other peoples own inferior. I have always enjoyed your posts whether i agree with it or not because you have a way of looking at issues from an entirely different perspective.

A person must take a side anyway, either for, against or you remain neutral. I don't even know what a 'popular side' means in this section. Nihilist, take a chill pill.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 4:23pm On Nov 12, 2015
sephia:


Ibime was even one of the supporters of Lukaku as at then...


I acknowledge this when I said "At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi thought Lukaku wasnt good enough."
You seem to have an axe to grind. .

With who? You? come off it. You are an esteemed member of this board and we have never quarreled before. WHy would I have an axe to grind with you?

My take on youth is clear enough. Integrate the youth into the senior squad as a gradual process. I have especially felt the need for that as a result of our present predicament where the full first team is under performing. Now, you can't go and buy players, it's only sensible that you give some of the more motivated youths some player time to see what impact it would make.

This is exactly what I dont agree with. If in doubt, go for a sure thing. We have too much at stake to start gambling on inexperienced youth to bail us out. Football is both physical and mental. You don't throw somebody in the deep end for the first time and expect him to be experienced enough mentally to know what to do.


Lemme just take the chill pill and...well..chill...

My own don dey too much.

Again I'm sorry if I came across as insulting. I never meant to.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 4:44pm On Nov 12, 2015
dopeJemi:


And mata is to blame? Are you actually blaming mata for chelsea's inability to win major trophies that year? His top priority was to create chances which he did, he did his job offensively, every player on the pitch have their responsibilities... some of your comrades here were defending hazard when mourinho slated him for not tracking back enough to defend saying it would hinder his development and all, and that is the same reason why you guys are justifying mata's sale

Every player in that team helped each other one way or the other, you say y'all fielded the likes of Meireles, lampard and the rest just to cover up for Mata, why didn't y'all field another set of players with the same capabilities the next season so the boy could carry out his work

How many defensive work does silva or ozil do for their team? What they can't do at the back, they do at the front... it's the coach's job to complement the team and give it the right balance, there's no reason to justify mata's sale, if you feel there still is, then hazard should be sold
Who is talking about playing defensive? Mata exposes the midfield and that's a fact......
Field the same kinda players just because of Mata? Is he Messi?? Mata is so Useless without the ball
Mourinho wanted players that press opposition, Hazard can do that,he is strong on the ball,Mata isn't....He has speed,Mata doesn't.....
Look at Fabregas who is better without the ball than Mata but still poor,Fabregas makes the Midfield very porous.......
Ozil is getting the goals and assists,but what has Arsenal won since his arrival? Fa cup? Ever wondered why Carlo sold him?
Maybe you need to see more of Silva,he is quick and he is very very hard to get the ball from.... He is far ahead of Mata and Ozil....
Y should Mourinho cover Mata's weakness at the expense of Hazard and Willian? Y?

In modern football players like Mata only strive in possession football...... Without it they are useless...
Look at mkirytan (whatever the spelling is) who was poor under klopp's counter pressing, he has been wonderful playing their new possession style.....

During fergie's tenure,Which Mata kinda player did you have?
Isco is benched in Madrid,except when the main guys are injured
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 4:48pm On Nov 12, 2015
Nihilist:


Story...yet Mourinho quickly went to look for Fabregas who is a defensive liability to provide creativity in the midfield?

In case you forgot, Fabregas was the most dribbled past player in our team last season. And thank God you can see how much he was being covered for this season.
Well you said it yourself, Fabregas was the most dribbled player in our team but we still won the league...Thanks to Matic
Now that Matic is off form,we are 16th......Fabregas has been dropped and Ramires is now preferred to him
That says it all.....I can't keep Mata when m using Mikel and Ramirez especially when I have Hazard and Willian to do his job very well
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 4:49pm On Nov 12, 2015
Hmmnn, imagine this:


Emenalo sacked!!!


Mourinho sacked!!!


All the players were sold except few like azpi, zouma and terry.



The youths took over..


Got a new coach and guess what he is Guus hiddink



Chelsea changes name to Stamford chelsea fc....


After being promoted back to bpl, took the league back to back and even added a ucl to it.......


But then i woke up
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 5:08pm On Nov 12, 2015
Chestar5:
Hmmnn, imagine this:


Emenalo sacked!!!


Mourinho sacked!!!


All the players were sold except few like azpi, zouma and terry.



The youths took over..


Got a new coach and guess what he is Guus hiddink



Chelsea changes name to Stamford chelsea fc....


After being promoted back to bpl, took the league back to back and even added a ucl to it.......


But then i woke up
hahahaha
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:14pm On Nov 12, 2015
Nihilist:


I acknowledge this when I said "At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi thought Lukaku wasnt good enough."


With who? You? come off it. You are an esteemed member of this board and we have never quarreled before. WHy would I have an axe to grind with you?



This is exactly what I dont agree with. If in doubt, go for a sure thing. We have too much at stake to start gambling on inexperienced youth to bail us out. Football is both physical and mental. You don't throw somebody in the deep end for the first time and expect him to be experienced enough mentally to know what to do.


Lemme just take the chill pill and...well..chill...

My own don dey too much.

Again I'm sorry if I came across as insulting. I never meant to.

Cool bro. You nateevs and Ibime are very intelligent and knowledgeable about the club and we respect and learn from you guys. Special mention to coogar. He always tries to show he has better points without making d other party feel silly.
Over the years we have all disagreed about one thing or the other. Which is inevitable. Funny enough i seem to always tend towards nateevs point of view as i find it similar to mine.


@mourinholic,
I know you are a die hard mou fan as i once was. However, JM has to realize that certain star players have their weaknesses . You dont throw away the baby and the bath water. You sometimes have to build a team to suit certain players strength.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 5:28pm On Nov 12, 2015
Nihilist:
@Mithel,I think you are doing Azpi a great disservice by comparing him to Betrand.

Bertrand and Azpi are around the same age. Azpi cost only 7 million pounds. He was not a big money purchase 'that must play'. He is a naturally a right back.

If you look at the scenario objectively and without bias, it is immediately obvious that there was an opportunity for Betrand to claim that LB slot if he was good enough.

The manager did not 'opt to play a right back' in Bertrand's position as you put it...the manager opted to play the 'better player' at left back.

Filipe Luis was signed for twice the amount that Azpi was signed for on the back of winning la liga and getting to the UCL finals. He also could not pass Azpi bus stop. He too was benched by a right back in the left back position.

If your call for 'youth integration' is simply to provide permanent bench fodder, then OYO lo wa.

Calling Betrand as an example of a youth that got away is just laughable. If Bertrand saw Azpi strolling through the streets of Southampton today, he will quickly look for a bench to sit down on. That is standard.


I am not doing anyone any disservice,everyone knows i am a big fan of Azpi.

But i also know,the time for Azpi to return to RB was coming even before january last season,ivanovic was already falling in quality but his 7 goals in all comps saved his ass. Bertrand got ahead of Azpi in the team of the season.

You are the one underrating Bertrand like most people have done.I know my Azpi can do much better on the right and also help with balancing the team,having 4 players surround hazard with no one to help him is bad for the team(yeah Azpi tries by running to the by-line but that confuses only inexperienced defenders who are unaware of the fact that its hard for the dude to do much with his other foot).

i maintain what i said poor management of peeps like Bertrand and lukaku and now RLC are what will continue to not only demotivate others but also disillusion them.

You know how bad RLC must feel seeing mourinho play mikel and ramires on and on despite the duo making gigantic mistakes,while even a good performance earns him a hauling off at half time.Even Olu aina go dey look ivanovic like: haba if na me every winger dey do like this,i would probably be off to swindon on loan.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 5:34pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinho needs to get on with the times,players with the mental power of the likes of Drogba and co dont exist in the game that much, He needs to approach them in another manner....He seems to only play players he trusts,and at times his trust is even misplaced.Playing costa all the time even when the dude don dey flop games upon games,because he has no trust in Remy...or playing fabregas till eternity even though the guy na major headache for us.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:44pm On Nov 12, 2015
mithel:
Mourinho needs to get on with the times,players with the mental power of the likes of Drogba and co dont exist in the game that much, He needs to approach them in another manner....He seems to only play players he trusts,and at times his trust is even misplaced.Playing costa all the time even when the dude don dey flop games upon games,because he has no trust in Remy...or playing fabregas till eternity even though the guy na major headache for us.

That's the major issue i have. I was probably the biggest Mou fan until the second coming. Times have changed. Every player cannot be physical. Neymar is a fragile player, he was even anemic at a time yet he is one in the best in the game.
Mou did away with Mata because he wasn't physical enough. Now Hazard seems to be his problem for not 'tracking back'.
If Roman wants to get his dream team where trophies are won stylishly, he may have to look a little further.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 5:47pm On Nov 12, 2015
sephia:


Cool bro. You nateevs and Ibime are very intelligent and knowledgeable about the club and we respect and learn from you guys. Special mention to coogar. He always tries to show he has better points without making d other party feel silly.
Over the years we have all disagreed about one thing or the other. Which is inevitable. Funny enough i seem to always tend towards nateevs point of view as i find it similar to mine.
Maybe i should stick to coming around and shouting up Chelsea as most of our gender are known to do. tongue

@mourinholic,
I know you are a die hard mou fan as i once was. However, JM has to realize that certain star players have their weaknesses . You dont throw away the baby and the bath water. You sometimes have to build a team to suit certain players strength.
He did that last season with hazard,didn't he? He built it around Hazard...
To build the team around Mata,you need 2 solid midfield pair, he didn't have the material to build around Mata that time.....Mata wasn't happy and he left then Matic came in and he had to buy Fabregas....
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 5:48pm On Nov 12, 2015
lukaku wouldn't have excelled if he had stayed at chelsea. the pressure is different. when you lead the attack at chelsea, you are expected to deliver every match-day. at everton/liverpool and the likes, no one really cares if you deliver or not.

as at last season, lukaku was firing blanks game after game but his stock never dipped cos no one really expects everton to win every game. hell, sturridge didn't really deliver at chelsea, he went to liverpool and he became an overnight celebrity.

mourinho did the right thing preferring costa to lukaku. it was mourinho's 2nd season - he had to deliver the title, he bought what he felt was needed to win the title instead of relying on the youths, that decision paid massive dividends. chelsea became champions!

jose's only mistake was not fixing the gaping flaws. he shoulda paid an arm & a leg to get pogba or vidal....sit him next to matic! get another top striker to help costa who cannot help getting injured or getting himself banned.....get a proper full back, move ivanovic back to CB & chelsea woulda mounted a serious defence to their title!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 5:51pm On Nov 12, 2015
Mourinholic:

Who is talking about playing defensive? Mata exposes the midfield and that's a fact......
Field the same kinda players just because of Mata? Is he Messi?? Mata is so Useless without the ball
Mourinho wanted players that press opposition, Hazard can do that,he is strong on the ball,Mata isn't....He has speed,Mata doesn't.....
Look at Fabregas who is better without the ball than Mata but still poor,Fabregas makes the Midfield very porous.......
Ozil is getting the goals and assists,but what has Arsenal won since his arrival? Fa cup? Ever wondered why Carlo sold him?
Maybe you need to see more of Silva,he is quick and he is very very hard to get the ball from.... He is far ahead of Mata and Ozil....
Y should Mourinho cover Mata's weakness at the expense of Hazard and Willian? Y?

In modern football players like Mata only strive in possession football...... Without it they are useless...
Look at mkirytan (whatever the spelling is) who was poor under klopp's counter pressing, he has been wonderful playing their new possession style.....

During fergie's tenure,Which Mata kinda player did you have?
Isco is benched in Madrid,except when the main guys are injured

How did mata win player of the season twice? What is it that he did that made him clinch that award?

Mourinho is a defensive minded coach and that was why he sold mata, nothing more, mata's movement off the ball is superb so I don't know what you are saying

I'm guessing mata was useless without the ball the years he won those awards, he isn't messi but he was your messi then, the things chelsea achieved those years were solely because of mata, he played a very big role in that team

I don't believe carlo, pep or Manuel would have sold mata if any of them had taken the chelsea job, they would have bought players to complement him instead, who sells his best player because he exposes the midfield? Who?

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