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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 10:27am On Nov 12, 2015 |
Rumours going round that Emenalo might be the one to get the sack. Ibime don go church for thanksgiving |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:10am On Nov 12, 2015 |
mithel: Now that's a point of view still not considered yet - the psychological impact. It's not mental weakness when a young player gets demoralised by insufficient chances to prove themselves, when they are behind an in-form world class player. What is crazily heart-breaking is when a manager would rather play a RB in your position in a dead-rubber game than give you chances; when a manager would rather buy an ex-service man and push you down the pecking order and/or when you sit on the bench and watch the drivel being delivered by the likes of Falcao, knowing your output is not far off, yet not given any chances to try. This impact is invisible and cannot be measured. If someone like Lukaku (the seemingly ready type) can get demoralised by such events, imagine those younger. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:11am On Nov 12, 2015 |
mithel: Ibime has slaughtered an Ewu on the altar of Amadioha. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:29am On Nov 12, 2015 |
Chelsea technical director Michael Emenalo is under pressure following the Blues’ disastrous start to the season, as per the Mirror. The emboldened though, Hector and Papy comes to mind. Ibime send me a bottle of Jack Daniels ASAP. Your spells just got powerful. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 11:42am On Nov 12, 2015 |
Ibime right now |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:49am On Nov 12, 2015 |
@Mithel,I think you are doing Azpi a great disservice by comparing him to Betrand. Bertrand and Azpi are around the same age. Azpi cost only 7 million pounds. He was not a big money purchase 'that must play'. He is a naturally a right back. If you look at the scenario objectively and without bias, it is immediately obvious that there was an opportunity for Betrand to claim that LB slot if he was good enough. The manager did not 'opt to play a right back' in Bertrand's position as you put it...the manager opted to play the 'better player' at left back. Filipe Luis was signed for twice the amount that Azpi was signed for on the back of winning la liga and getting to the UCL finals. He also could not pass Azpi bus stop. He too was benched by a right back in the left back position. If your call for 'youth integration' is simply to provide permanent bench fodder, then OYO lo wa. Calling Betrand as an example of a youth that got away is just laughable. If Bertrand saw Azpi strolling through the streets of Southampton today, he will quickly look for a bench to sit down on. That is standard. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:28pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Emenalo is sacked. Just the way some fans want it. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:32pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
ollah1: Where you hear that one? He has not been sacked. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:06pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
That a manager doesn't like a player doesn't make a player 'not good enough'. Bias and sentiments is part of the current problem with Chelsea. We have a manager who has thrown out decent players because of his personal reasons instead of looking out for the overall well being of the club. We lost Schurrle, Debruyne, Mata, Bertrand, Lukaku and a host of others for no tangible reason. I can imagine if we had these players today, surely we wouldn't be this far down. If Emenalo should go, he should go along with Mourhino. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 2:25pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
sephia:Mata,Schrulle and Lukaku are very good sales..Lukaku was very impatient, If he had stayed he would have played more minutes than Diego even though he would be Second choice...... Mata was very right decision,If KDB had stayed no one would be thinking of Mata And Schrulle is the poorest winger we have had after our Uck triumph, completely useless with the ball,he just has the runs off the ball We know the Mourinho buys,the only one you can question is Felipe........ Imagine Emenalo signing Djilibodji, a player Sunderland and Norwich rejected and Hector( a guy soo poor that reading, I repeat reading is giving him loans to improve) The idiot had to wait till City nearly humiliated us before signing Pedro Mourinho protected Emenalo enough, he was always trying to present it as if he didn't want to sign the players and not Emenalo's fault but we gat eyes to see... Something has to changed..... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:47pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
sephia: Over the years, it has become very obvious that you don't seem to have a mind of your own, and just tend to follow and regurgitate popular opinion. Now you say we've lost Betrand and Lukaku for 'no tangible reason' 2 years ago, this is what you were saying on Lukaku sephia: And sephia: Out of all that lot, the only mistakes were selling Lukaku and arguably Mata. Saying the others should not have been let go is just pure revisionism. During the same period boys on these very thread were claiming that KDB was wasted at 10 because he was a better winger. In fact some people said Schurlle was better than De Bruyne. That was another argument because nobody could even tell where his best position was. Where is that Schurlle today now sef? KDB had to go and develop at a place where he would get unlimited game time under limited pressure before he became the player he is today. And this is what I've been saying over and over again. Chelsea is not the kind of club where you learn your craft. It is the kind of club where you perfect your craft. The pressures of competing for the league title and in Europe means that nobody got time to baby you as a youngster. I'm done with this discussion sef. It's not like I get paid to defend our youth policy. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 2:47pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinholic: Explain to me how the sale of your player of two seasons was the right decision |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:59pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinholic: Lukaku had every right under the sun to be impatient. This was my take on it last year.... Nihilist: Guess what happened? Last season Costa 22 goals all competitions Lukaku 20. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 3:23pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: This is the only part i care to reply since i find it a little insulting. I don't seem to have a mind of my own? Lol. Since you're digging for old post, you might as well dig further. Many of the fans here disagreed with the sale of Lukaku then. In hindsight, i realize Lukaku would have been better off than Eto, Remi and Falcao. I'm sure i have a right to hindsight. I'm clamoring for a change in manager while almost everyone want's the manager to remain and yet you say i'm following the bandwagon? Nihilist go and drink a beer. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by weedtaker: 3:25pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Cool analysis |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:39pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
sephia: I am sorry if you feel insulted. That was never the intention at all. However what I said was based on my perception of you. I did not go digging for old posts as you say. I remembered them. At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi though Lukaku wasnt good enough. I remember arguing with Nateevs(Oh the delicious irony ) who claimed that Lukaku was not good enough to lead the line for us because the way teams set up against Everton was not the same way they do against Chelsea. Back then 'Youth Out' was a popular sentiment and you were a visible proponent. This year 'Youth in' is In, and you are once again a visible proponent. You mention hindsight...hindsight vision is always 20/20. The clearest you can get. Please tell if you would look back favourably in hindsight on a manager that persisted with Bertrand as 1st choice LB, McEchran and Romeu as 1st choice centre mids, and 'that' KDB in attacking midfield.... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 3:41pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
dopeJemi:Mata is that kinda player that scores or assists a goal and makes you concede 2........ Whatever we won during Mata's time here was because di Matteo used Lamps,Meireles,Mikel,Ramires just to cover up for Mata..... After signing Hazard and Oscar,with a midfield of Rami and Mikel and there was no one to cover for the weak Mata we won 1 out of 7 trophies that year..just 1 KDB is the regret,Mata for 39m? Jackpot 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:45pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinholic: Story...yet Mourinho quickly went to look for Fabregas who is a defensive liability to provide creativity in the midfield? In case you forgot, Fabregas was the most dribbled past player in our team last season. And thank God you can see how much he was being covered for this season. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 3:57pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinholic: And mata is to blame? Are you actually blaming mata for chelsea's inability to win major trophies that year? His top priority was to create chances which he did, he did his job offensively, every player on the pitch have their responsibilities... some of your comrades here were defending hazard when mourinho slated him for not tracking back enough to defend saying it would hinder his development and all, and that is the same reason why you guys are justifying mata's sale Every player in that team helped each other one way or the other, you say y'all fielded the likes of Meireles, lampard and the rest just to cover up for Mata, why didn't y'all field another set of players with the same capabilities the next season so the boy could carry out his work How many defensive work does silva or ozil do for their team? What they can't do at the back, they do at the front... it's the coach's job to complement the team and give it the right balance, there's no reason to justify mata's sale, if you feel there still is, then hazard should be sold 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: Ibime was even one of the supporters of Lukaku as at then... Ibime: You seem to have an axe to grind. My take on youth is clear enough. Integrate the youth into the senior squad as a gradual process. I have especially felt the need for that as a result of our present predicament where the full first team is under performing. Now, you can't go and buy players, it's only sensible that you give some of the more motivated youths some player time to see what impact it would make. Again, it is only sensible that with the current cost of purchasing players, common sense dictates that we need to start grooming a good number of squad players instead of continuing to gamble away millions on established names that may end up as flops. A player would not gather experience by sitting on the bench. If he can get play time in other clubs, he can get play time here. There are enough competitions in England to ensure that. At no time did anymore clamour for a squad consisting of Blackman down to Kennedy. That you have a different opinion doesn't make other peoples own inferior. I have always enjoyed your posts whether i agree with it or not because you have a way of looking at issues from an entirely different perspective. A person must take a side anyway, either for, against or you remain neutral. I don't even know what a 'popular side' means in this section. Nihilist, take a chill pill. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 4:23pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
sephia: I acknowledge this when I said "At the time the majority of then fans here bar maybe Ibime and lalaboi thought Lukaku wasnt good enough." You seem to have an axe to grind. . With who? You? come off it. You are an esteemed member of this board and we have never quarreled before. WHy would I have an axe to grind with you? My take on youth is clear enough. Integrate the youth into the senior squad as a gradual process. I have especially felt the need for that as a result of our present predicament where the full first team is under performing. Now, you can't go and buy players, it's only sensible that you give some of the more motivated youths some player time to see what impact it would make. This is exactly what I dont agree with. If in doubt, go for a sure thing. We have too much at stake to start gambling on inexperienced youth to bail us out. Football is both physical and mental. You don't throw somebody in the deep end for the first time and expect him to be experienced enough mentally to know what to do. Lemme just take the chill pill and...well..chill... My own don dey too much. Again I'm sorry if I came across as insulting. I never meant to. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 4:44pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
dopeJemi:Who is talking about playing defensive? Mata exposes the midfield and that's a fact...... Field the same kinda players just because of Mata? Is he Messi?? Mata is so Useless without the ball Mourinho wanted players that press opposition, Hazard can do that,he is strong on the ball,Mata isn't....He has speed,Mata doesn't..... Look at Fabregas who is better without the ball than Mata but still poor,Fabregas makes the Midfield very porous....... Ozil is getting the goals and assists,but what has Arsenal won since his arrival? Fa cup? Ever wondered why Carlo sold him? Maybe you need to see more of Silva,he is quick and he is very very hard to get the ball from.... He is far ahead of Mata and Ozil.... Y should Mourinho cover Mata's weakness at the expense of Hazard and Willian? Y? In modern football players like Mata only strive in possession football...... Without it they are useless... Look at mkirytan (whatever the spelling is) who was poor under klopp's counter pressing, he has been wonderful playing their new possession style..... During fergie's tenure,Which Mata kinda player did you have? Isco is benched in Madrid,except when the main guys are injured |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 4:48pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Nihilist:Well you said it yourself, Fabregas was the most dribbled player in our team but we still won the league...Thanks to Matic Now that Matic is off form,we are 16th......Fabregas has been dropped and Ramires is now preferred to him That says it all.....I can't keep Mata when m using Mikel and Ramirez especially when I have Hazard and Willian to do his job very well |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 4:49pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Hmmnn, imagine this: Emenalo sacked!!! Mourinho sacked!!! All the players were sold except few like azpi, zouma and terry. The youths took over.. Got a new coach and guess what he is Guus hiddink Chelsea changes name to Stamford chelsea fc.... After being promoted back to bpl, took the league back to back and even added a ucl to it....... But then i woke up |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 5:08pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Chestar5:hahahaha |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:14pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: Cool bro. You nateevs and Ibime are very intelligent and knowledgeable about the club and we respect and learn from you guys. Special mention to coogar. He always tries to show he has better points without making d other party feel silly. Over the years we have all disagreed about one thing or the other. Which is inevitable. Funny enough i seem to always tend towards nateevs point of view as i find it similar to mine. @mourinholic, I know you are a die hard mou fan as i once was. However, JM has to realize that certain star players have their weaknesses . You dont throw away the baby and the bath water. You sometimes have to build a team to suit certain players strength. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 5:28pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: I am not doing anyone any disservice,everyone knows i am a big fan of Azpi. But i also know,the time for Azpi to return to RB was coming even before january last season,ivanovic was already falling in quality but his 7 goals in all comps saved his ass. Bertrand got ahead of Azpi in the team of the season. You are the one underrating Bertrand like most people have done.I know my Azpi can do much better on the right and also help with balancing the team,having 4 players surround hazard with no one to help him is bad for the team(yeah Azpi tries by running to the by-line but that confuses only inexperienced defenders who are unaware of the fact that its hard for the dude to do much with his other foot). i maintain what i said poor management of peeps like Bertrand and lukaku and now RLC are what will continue to not only demotivate others but also disillusion them. You know how bad RLC must feel seeing mourinho play mikel and ramires on and on despite the duo making gigantic mistakes,while even a good performance earns him a hauling off at half time.Even Olu aina go dey look ivanovic like: haba if na me every winger dey do like this,i would probably be off to swindon on loan. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 5:34pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinho needs to get on with the times,players with the mental power of the likes of Drogba and co dont exist in the game that much, He needs to approach them in another manner....He seems to only play players he trusts,and at times his trust is even misplaced.Playing costa all the time even when the dude don dey flop games upon games,because he has no trust in Remy...or playing fabregas till eternity even though the guy na major headache for us. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:44pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
mithel: That's the major issue i have. I was probably the biggest Mou fan until the second coming. Times have changed. Every player cannot be physical. Neymar is a fragile player, he was even anemic at a time yet he is one in the best in the game. Mou did away with Mata because he wasn't physical enough. Now Hazard seems to be his problem for not 'tracking back'. If Roman wants to get his dream team where trophies are won stylishly, he may have to look a little further. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 5:47pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
sephia:He did that last season with hazard,didn't he? He built it around Hazard... To build the team around Mata,you need 2 solid midfield pair, he didn't have the material to build around Mata that time.....Mata wasn't happy and he left then Matic came in and he had to buy Fabregas.... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 5:48pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
lukaku wouldn't have excelled if he had stayed at chelsea. the pressure is different. when you lead the attack at chelsea, you are expected to deliver every match-day. at everton/liverpool and the likes, no one really cares if you deliver or not. as at last season, lukaku was firing blanks game after game but his stock never dipped cos no one really expects everton to win every game. hell, sturridge didn't really deliver at chelsea, he went to liverpool and he became an overnight celebrity. mourinho did the right thing preferring costa to lukaku. it was mourinho's 2nd season - he had to deliver the title, he bought what he felt was needed to win the title instead of relying on the youths, that decision paid massive dividends. chelsea became champions! jose's only mistake was not fixing the gaping flaws. he shoulda paid an arm & a leg to get pogba or vidal....sit him next to matic! get another top striker to help costa who cannot help getting injured or getting himself banned.....get a proper full back, move ivanovic back to CB & chelsea woulda mounted a serious defence to their title! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 5:51pm On Nov 12, 2015 |
Mourinholic: How did mata win player of the season twice? What is it that he did that made him clinch that award? Mourinho is a defensive minded coach and that was why he sold mata, nothing more, mata's movement off the ball is superb so I don't know what you are saying I'm guessing mata was useless without the ball the years he won those awards, he isn't messi but he was your messi then, the things chelsea achieved those years were solely because of mata, he played a very big role in that team I don't believe carlo, pep or Manuel would have sold mata if any of them had taken the chelsea job, they would have bought players to complement him instead, who sells his best player because he exposes the midfield? Who? 4 Likes |
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