Sure the oil isn't going to be there forever.

How I wish there was no oil discovered in the old East, it would have been better for us all. The Arewa-Oduanistanis wouldn't have been hell bent on one Nigeria and the British interest wouldnt have been there.

However, OP the title and the first Post of this thread is condescending.
There are many SS people who see the clear picture, it's a bit harsh to start questioning the wisdom of people you are trying to sell an idea to. It does not in anyway help your cause.

A SS can also ask the same question of us as you are asking them. Where is the wisdom of SE when men like Rochas,Ngige, Onu, etc are eating and dinning with Arewa-Oduanistanis and are screaming one Nigeria when they should know better.

Does it now mean that those men represent us?

I know you have honest and good intentions, but consensus building is a tricky business Biafrans must learn to master, you try to not beg anyone while at the same time avoid sounding condescending.

Just my humble and honest opinion.

God bless Biafra.

OP- abeg leave south-south alone I am tired of being betrayed and suspected by neighbours. Let everybody choose their fate. I believe they are comfortable with theirs in the Fulani Nigerian project.

EUROBOMBER:


But most times I feel the Efik/Ibibio are more reliable than the others, I may be wrong though.

dont ever sell out your brothers, no matter what and stop making the north look so big.

Obiagu1:


I don't know what to use to qualify that guy.

i just tire bro

pazienza:
Sure the oil isn't going to be there forever.

How I wish there was no oil discovered in the old East, it would have been better for us all. The Arewa-Oduanistanis wouldn't have been hell bent on one Nigeria and the British interest wouldnt have been there.

However, OP the title and the first Post of this thread is condescending.
There are many SS people who see the clear picture, it's a bit harsh to start questioning the wisdom of people you are trying to sell an idea to. It does not in anyway help your cause.

A SS can also ask the same question of us as you are asking them. Where is the wisdom of SE when men like Rochas,Ngige, Onu, etc are eating and dinning with Arewa-Oduanistanis and are screaming one Nigeria when they should know better.

Does it now mean that those men represent us?

I know you have honest and good intentions, but consensus building is a tricky business Biafrans must learn to master, you try to not beg anyone while at the same time avoid sounding condescending.

Just my humble and honest opinion.

God bless Biafra.

Sometimes, one drives home a point by being blunt.
It sounds harsh but it's part of hard talk.

They can as well question the wisdom of our 'leaders'.
To me, those guys don't represent us.

They can question our wisdom for trying to create Biafra, that I will defend by giving them reasons.

Here I will like them to defend their wisdom for opting for Nigeria when they are being gravely cheated and clearly not even a good option to start with.

jusRadical:




The worst case is that the South-west and the north do not even value the people of south-south. Can you imagine that to the west and north, the Oil and gas of the niger-delta is good but her people are bad and not good for anything accept boy-boy.


Look at this present rigime, they clearly told the south-south that her people are not fit to rule this nation. They fought tooth and nail to remove the presidency from the south-south.

After that, the even felt that no person in the region is fit to be the president, VP, SFG, AGF, Senate president, and Speaker of house of rep. The even refused to allow them man the petroleum ministry (at least oil is from there).


Oh! What a shame!

Remembered that when Tinubu called Gej a drunken fisherman. So horrible

EUROBOMBER:


I think we should restrict our alliances to the Efik/Ibibio, what do you think?

We can negotiate and allow the north keep Rivers & Bayelsa.

That's one aspect Ndigbo don't know. Only Akwa-Cross despite what Igbos did to Eyo Ita like Igbos and it is mostly among the Annangs that the brotherhood with Igbos exist despite boundary disputes.

Another important thing is to de-emphasize on oil. My dream Igbo republic is not an oil economy. The only problem Igboland has is that it has no international boundary. Even SS know that Igbos don't need oil but the issue is access to international trade without being dependent on Nigeria.

Abagworo:
That's one aspect Ndigbo don't know. Only Akwa-Cross despite what Igbos did to Eyo Ita like Igbos and it is mostly among the Annangs that the brotherhood with Igbos exist despite boundary disputes.

The Eyo Ita Saga and the COR movement.

Eyo Ita was the leader of the Eastern region government between 1951-53, before he was replaced by Azikiwe. He was an Efik, yet he was the head in the East at about the same time Obong of Calabar was the leader of the Eastern house of chiefs ahead of high ranked Igbo chiefs like the Obi of Onitsha, Eze Nri and Eze Aro. It was almost like everything was alright in the East, as long as Ndiigbo take the back seat.

Often times, the fall of grace of Eyo Ita, and his replacement by Zik had been portrayed as Ndiigbo ganging up behind Zik to oust Eyo Ita by Eastern non Igbo groups, even though that was nothing but history revisionism. Eyo Ita himself helped spread this message as he became a poster boy for the COR (Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers) states movement, before he returned back to NCNC.

Was Eyo Ita really ousted by Ndiigbo? Was his removal ethnically motivated to make room for Zik? 
Many Efiks point at his fall from Grace as evidence of Igbo dominating attitude and tribalism.

It was cool and dandy when Eyo Ita reigned, but cries of Igbo domination began when an Igbo reigned.

Obiagu1:

Sometimes, one drives home a point by being blunt.
It sounds harsh but it's part of hard talk.
They can as well question the wisdom of our 'leaders'.
To me, those guys don't represent us.
They can question our wisdom for trying to create Biafra, that I will defend by giving them reasons.
Here I will like them to defend their wisdom for opting for Nigeria when they are being gravely cheated and clearly not even a good option to start with.

You need to re-read Pazienza's post, understand his point of view and you would see the need to modify your stance. Consultation is the key to success and not confrontation or bullying. You are offering an option and the onus is on you to sell that option and not the reverse.

Pazienza has told you something critical. If you have an idea, you have to sell the idea and not bully anyone to take your idea. I wonder if people would drink coca-cola if they are told in clear terms that they are stupid if they drank Pepsi or Dr Pepper.

Also, you are not being blunt, rather you are condescending and insulting and not driving home the point which is 'Positives of joining Biafra'. You are hiding behind the theme to make unsavoury remarks about a group of people and that my brother is the definition of bigotry. A movement like this usually succeeds through outright violence and subjugation (this was tried in 1967 and has shown to be a futile path) or through consultation and strategic alliance. Which for some reason you think is weakness or not up for consideration while hoping that a repeat of the 1967 bullying and gloating tact will somehow succeed.

There is also another angle that has not been explored and that is support from the NC zone. The zone has strong potentials that can be unleashed in a true federal state and can be allies in this attempt to secede.

^^^

I understood clearly what Pazienza said.

Well, the thread was meant to cause anger but at the same time challenges, provokes and stimulates ones thinking.

It's not in anyway condescending though you percieved it as such.
I believe it's generally polite to question ones wisdom without saying he is silly.

NAIJASOM:
1) Oil is selling $50 a barrel on the international market

2) America has abundant oil, thanks to Fracking technology.

3) American and Chinese oil reserves are full thanks to cheap oil

4) India is in negotiations to start buying russian oil

5) China has already negotiated a $400bln deal in 2014 with russion to supply oil in future

6) Iran will start releasing its oil into the market soon

7) Electric vehicle in coming soon especially in western countries.

9) Every year more african countries are discovering oil including kenya, tanzania and somalia

10) Australia discovered the largets oil feild in arkaringa basin

11) England discovered massive oil near gatwick airport

The future of south-south people is scary. And those ones with "awa oyel mentality" or "resource control" will suffer the most; including their children and grandchildren.

You want to use awa oyel to secure ur future

Obiagu1:
Dubai's oil reserves have almost depleted but they did make use of it to diversify.

Now oil contributes less than 5% of their revenue.

For those that don't know,Dubai is no longer a major oil producer. They now produce a meagre 70,000 barrels a day.

And you lots will some day ask the south south about what they did with the proceeds of the oil from their area when it is finally depleted.

VickJames:


dont ever sell out your brothers, no matter what and stop making the north look so big.

You're a true son of your father.

Obiagu1:
^^^

I understood clearly what Pazienza said.

Well, the thread was meant to cause anger but at the same time challenges, provokes and stimulates ones thinking.

It's not in anyway condescending though you percieved it as such.
I believe it's generally polite to question ones wisdom without saying he is silly.

Well, humans are emotional beings and for this reason perception can be everything, when you want to sell an idea to a people.
You must delicately work on their perception to a favorable disposition to your ideas. Most times, the people perception of the ideas is even more important than the idea.

So if you go about thinking because you have good ideas and the people have no option but to accept it, you might be setting yourself up for rejection, only to see the same people accept wrong ideas from another, simply because your adversary knew how to work on their perception towards a positive disposition to his ideas, which is even detrimental to the people.

Blizzy9ja:
And you lots will some day ask the south south about what they did with the proceeds of the oil from their area when it is finally depleted.

You should be an educated adult and so should know you've got the right of freedom of association.

You're never under obligation to embrace IPOB. OduaArewanistan is a good option for you and your people.

Let me rephrase your question: it's over 50 years since crude oil production commenced in the Niger-delta area what have you achieved with the resultant proceeds?

Obiagu1:
People get wiser as they grow old.
If there's any growth intellectually in the SS, they should have learnt one thing or another from Nigeria and dangers the future portends.

You have asked for resource control for over how many years now, asking from people that should not, in the first place, be in control of your destiny and your resources.

Unfortunately, there seem to be no wisdom in the SS.
How many of them know how long Nigerian oil are meant to last? If they do, they will know they don't have time. It's either they make full use of their resources now or suffer down the line.

You are asking for 30% from an Hausa man when you can get 100% from Biafra.
There's no wisdom, there is none.

Biafra is the problem of itself. Must south south elope with you? Why the force marriage?

sammyscholar:
Biafra is the problem of itself. Must south south elope with you? Why the force marriage?

You should be an educated adult and so should know you've got the right of freedom of association.

You're never under obligation to embrace IPOB. OduaArewanistan is a good option for you and your people.

Farewell!

Obiagu1:
People get wiser as they grow old.
If there's any growth intellectually in the SS, they should have learnt one thing or another from Nigeria and dangers the future portends.

You have asked for resource control for over how many years now, asking from people that should not, in the first place, be in control of your destiny and your resources.

Unfortunately, there seem to be no wisdom in the SS.
How many of them know how long Nigerian oil are meant to last? If they do, they will know they don't have time. It's either they make full use of their resources now or suffer down the line.

You are asking for 30% from an Hausa man when you can get 100% from Biafra.
There's no wisdom, there is none.

[size=18pt]Coming from an Igbo who seems not to be aware the rest of Nigeria has concluded Igbos have no sense[/size]

Obiagu1:
People get wiser as they grow old.
If there's any growth intellectually in the SS, they should have learnt one thing or another from Nigeria and dangers the future portends.

You have asked for resource control for over how many years now, asking from people that should not, in the first place, be in control of your destiny and your resources.

Unfortunately, there seem to be no wisdom in the SS.
How many of them know how long Nigerian oil are meant to last? If they do, they will know they don't have time. It's either they make full use of their resources now or suffer down the line.

You are asking for 30% from an Hausa man when you can get 100% from Biafra.
There's no wisdom, there is none.

Nigerdeltan are very intellectual if not more intellectual than the south east. The main difference between south south intellectuals and south east is what while the south east allowed their emotions to becloud their intellect, the south south always have their heads on their shoulders.

No resource community in the whole world has 100% resource control, and in fact no country (except you are a super power nation) can control its mineral resources 100%. Even in the US where ownership of oil resources resides in the owners of the land, strict government regulations and heavy taxes are used by government to gain partial control of the resources resides. So your 100% resource control jargon remains in the realm of fantasy.

The Nigerdelta struggle is not to appropriate 100% of the oil resources to itself ( that itself is an invitation for war - both locally, nationally and internationally. ) What happens to communities, local governments and states without oil?
What we want is land control. The greatest injustice to the Nigerdeltans is the land use act, which takes away ownership of our lands and gives it to federal government ( someone in Abuja to distribute as he or she wishes). We want our lands back.
On revenue sharing, we would like to revert to the 50/50 formula as was obtained before the discovery of oil. We do not mind increasing it gradually over a period of like say 10 years, to allow other regions and states enough time to develop their own resources.

On a side note, one thing illiterate Biafrans are unaware of is that even if Biafra is attained and it miraculously include the oil rich Nigerdelta, the quantity of oil available would be greatly reduced. Our exclusive maritime economic zone would be greatly reduced because of the very small land mass of the fabled Biafra. Cameroon and France would benefit greatly from the reduced maritime boundary. This is one of the reasons the northern claim that a sizeable portion of our crude oil revenue is from our expanded exclusive maritime economic zone due to the huge size of the north. This was why the north asked Obasanjo to remove offshore oil from the 13% derivation, but thankfully obasanjo refused.

xtrorse:


You should be an educated adult and so should know you've got the right of freedom of association.

You're never under obligation to embrace IPOB. OduaArewanistan is a good option for you and your people.

Let me rephrase your question: it's over 50 years since crude oil production commenced in the Niger-delta area what have you achieved with the resultant proceeds?

We have been using the proceeds to fund a fraudulent One Nigeria... Feeding lazy OduaArewanistan who can't look inward to see what they have in their area

I don't give a fvck about IPOB but it is a better option and the OduaArewa union is a forced parasitic union which no right thinking human would want to continue with.

Blizzy9ja:
We have been using the proceeds to fund a fraudulent One Nigeria... Feeding lazy OduaArewanistan who can't look inward to see what they have in their area

I don't give a fvck about IPOB but it is a better option and the OduaArewa union is a forced parasitic union which no right thinking human would want to continue with.

You have been using proceeds from oil to fund one Nigeria? Ok, tell me your community, local government and state so we know how much oil proceeds you contribute to Nigeria.

Abagworo:


That's one aspect Ndigbo don't know. Only Akwa-Cross despite what Igbos did to Eyo Ita like Igbos and it is mostly among the Annangs that the brotherhood with Igbos exist despite boundary disputes.

Which boundary dispute


A bag of gworo you don come again oooo


Sowing seeds of discord silently

xtrorse:


The Eyo Ita Saga and the COR movement.

Eyo Ita was the leader of the Eastern region government between 1951-53, before he was replaced by Azikiwe. He was an Efik, yet he was the head in the East at about the same time Obong of Calabar was the leader of the Eastern house of chiefs ahead of high ranked Igbo chiefs like the Obi of Onitsha, Eze Nri and Eze Aro. It was almost like everything was alright in the East, as long as Ndiigbo take the back seat.

Often times, the fall of grace of Eyo Ita, and his replacement by Zik had been portrayed as Ndiigbo ganging up behind Zik to oust Eyo Ita by Eastern non Igbo groups, even though that was nothing but history revisionism. Eyo Ita himself helped spread this message as he became a poster boy for the COR (Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers) states movement, before he returned back to NCNC.

Was Eyo Ita really ousted by Ndiigbo? Was his removal ethnically motivated to make room for Zik? 
Many Efiks point at his fall from Grace as evidence of Igbo dominating attitude and tribalism.

It was cool and dandy when Eyo Ita reigned, but cries of Igbo domination began when an Igbo reigned.

Let's tell ourselves the truth


Zik fuucked up in that Eyo Ita's case


We should be careful in the way we handle our minority brothers


Remember , an outsider sees our greatness better than we do


That's why the minorities are always scared that we can use our advantage to overpower which is not true but understandable


To buttress my point


Sometimes you feel intimidated by your bigger (size or wealth) friends though you might not express it but deep down you feel it even though they mean no harm to you.

EternalTruths:



Let's tell ourselves the truth


Zik fuucked up in that Eyo Ita's case


We should be careful in the way we handle our minority brothers


Remember , an outsider sees our greatness better than we do


That's why the minorities are always scared that we can use our advantage to overpower which is not true but understandable


To buttress my point


Sometimes you feel intimidated by your bigger (size or wealth) friends though you might not express it but deep down you feel it even though they mean no harm to you.

So,its better for Igbos to take the back seat perpetually,so that they won't see us as dominating abi?

ghostmist:
So,its better for Igbos to take the back seat perpetually,so that they won't see us as dominating abi?

No

But we must apply wisdom when dealing with them

Eg If you are richer smarter bigger than your friend, try not to emphasize it.


In other words, avoid the mistake Joseph made around his brothers which landed him in slavery.

Obiagu1:
People get wiser as they grow old.
If there's any growth intellectually in the SS, they should have learnt one thing or another from Nigeria and dangers the future portends.

You have asked for resource control for over how many years now, asking from people that should not, in the first place, be in control of your destiny and your resources.

Unfortunately, there seem to be no wisdom in the SS.
How many of them know how long Nigerian oil are meant to last? If they do, they will know they don't have time. It's either they make full use of their resources now or suffer down the line.

You are asking for 30% from an Hausa man when you can get 100% from Biafra.
There's no wisdom, there is none.

In other words you are saying the agitation for Biafra is because of the SS oil.

pazienza:

I know you have honest and good intentions, but consensus building is a tricky business Biafrans must learn to master, you try to not beg anyone while at the same time avoid sounding condescending.

Sounding condescending is what Igbo/Biafra is all about. You live n breath it. It is the oxygen that refresh your soul. You can not just wake up n stop being who you are. All Igbos have it in them n are bound to die with it. This is not an abuse it is what/who you are.

EternalTruths:


No

But we must apply wisdom when dealing with them Eg If you are richer smarter bigger than your friend, try not to emphasize it.


In other words, avoid the mistake Joseph made around his brothers which landed him in slavery.

Do you mean to say an Igbo man should not beat his drum or beat his chest ? The millisecond any Igbo tries that the millisecond he or she perishes with immediate alacrity. . Please never in your life give such advice this is simply synonymous to advising Igbo to willingly commit suicide. The catastrophic death Igbo would suffer should such happen will be more damaging than what Japan suffered with Hiroshima. The 2milliom Igbo that died will be child's play. [size=18pt]We can safely say an average of 20 Million Igbos will die instantly if they are coerced or willingly surrender chest beating. [/size]

Ballmer:


Do you mean to say an Igbo man should not beat his drum or beat his chest. The millisecond any Igbo tries that the millisecond he or she perishes with immediate alacrity.

I mean to say yorubas like you should not be given excuse to instigate division amongst the free borns.

I pity any sane person who will believe that the South South will get better deal outside Nigeria as this people will take 95% from them & give them 5%; let the truth be told, we all know the region where the Oliver twist ones comes from & how they sweet talked & helped destroy Jonathan 6 years in government is still fresh in everyones mind.

I don't have anything against them but since they keep coming after we the Yorubas we will also keep going for their throats because they should learn to fight their war on their own without dragging us into it.

As per Niger Delta, I am one of them & I still came across my Niger Delta ID card from the old times ( higher institution days ); Igbos should know that hate don't give struggles any bite but it rather take out the arrow head of the struggle due to the fact that hate will make you have more people to contend with; ask Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Rwandan Hutus and recent world enemy called ISIS because their hatred for others have destroyed them.

When you're not guided by principle but emotions, confusion is inevitable.