Osomalo:


I was angry when I saw the debt profile.

I'm sorry, I apologize to the House.

tupacshakur:

If you notice, I seldom contribute to political and economical issues pertaining to the SW as I hold none of the Governors in high esteem. I believe no Yoruba Governor since 1999 is worthy of emulation, including Fashola. They are all bunch of crooks and far from being in the mold of the great Obafemi Awolowo.

Oh, how I detest Tinubu. He's a smart politician though. I give that to him but he achieved nothing in his 8 years at the helm of affairs in Lagos state. He left the state in tatters, allegedly murdered Funsho Williams in cold blood, as he knew the latter was obviously going to defeat his party, AC. He handed over to an overrated Fashola, after disregarding democratic tenets in the AC primaries that'd have seen Jimi Agbaje emerge as the party's flag bearer.

Aunty Modath, oro po ninu iwe kobo.

With due respect, I disagree with you on your stance. Let's criticize our SW leaders explicitly without mincing words. E jeki a bu won daa da! . Afterall, who have they helped, except their cronies and relatives?

As regards the Flat-heads' unwarranted and annoying poke-nosing into this thread, I think the best folks like you can do is to ignore them completely. But trust me, I'll pay them in their own coin.

That aside, I've been trying to figure out how you came about your moniker, "modath"...sounds like the name of an ancient Greek goddess. As google couldn't help, I tried stringing parts of some distinct words together but gave up after futile attempts. I thought of MODupe-ATHeist, but a lady Yoruba atheist is as rare as a virgin in a maternity ward. . I know the reason behind IlekeHD and Ibebe's moniker though.

9jacrip:


Egbon mi, I have thought about the effect of giving a 'foe' ammunitions to attack us with but then how are we supposed to discuss pressing issues if we are not honest with and to ourselves?

We do not have any other platform exclusively reserved for us to open up about situations bothering on our region.

If we begin to censor, how else are some of us not present in or accessible to some locations supposed to get a clear picture of the situation there?

I would like to see how it goes if the house chooses to dumb things down.

modath:



You notice I hardly have strong words for our SW leaders not only cos of Elder Gbawe but it doesn't sserve us right if we just group ourselves to create a thread & spend 90% complaing.

Osomalo:


I was angry when I saw the debt profile.

I'm sorry, I apologize to the House.

Gbawe:


The truth is that Aregbe had solid plans for the promotion of tourism and hospitality in Osun State. Sadly the reality of the times overtook and defeated his lofty plans. Osun is a very poor State that had no business becoming a State in the first place and was only carved out of Oyo state due to the usual egotism and myopia of those who think creating smaller and unsustainable "independent" geographical area is the way forward in an age where borders are shrinking because of globalisation and an idea-based way of living. The likes of Aregbe have to deal with the difficult issues related to leading a State that was never meant to be a State in the first place.

Aregbe made mistakes but what ultimately rendered him unable to deliver on the lofty ideas he had is simply lack of funds to improve a State that was already very poor with issues compounded by the dire economic situation of Nigeria that meant allocation to States has dropped significantly. We should be coming up with suggestions to help our leaders , after we familiarise ourselves with the problem totally, before we criticise in ways that makes it obvious we are not ready to be part of the solution. Osun was never really viable. Yet it could become viable and Aregbe planned to make it viable but we must never discount events beyond his control that rendered his lofty plans unachievable. After that stage, we then look at how to salvage things moving forward instead of limiting ourselves to talking as if these leaders caused and enjoy the lack of socio-economic development we all see and decry. There is nothing you say and suggest here that bright minds in Osun have not thought of. If funds are lacking to implement even the brightest of ideas then that has to be addressed first before we all start searching for miracles. Even Osun hoteliers, below, admit Aregbe has good plans and intentions but is severely constrained by the economic ill-health of Nigeria. The solution for Osun has to be holistic and linked to a healthy national economy. Osun can grow strong. more independent and prosperous in a period of national economic prosperity but the state is one of those especially vulnerable in a period of national economic hardship and downturn.

http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/osun-financial-crises-be-courageous-hoteliers-urge-aregbesola/

Aareonakakanfo:
Se a tun ti fe bere oro Aregbe yii laa ro yi ni

@Modath as per the words we use, well..To some extent I watch what people say and I don't think anyone has gone to the extreme.maybe to me though because we all view things differently

but good advice from the elders regardless

laudate:

Yemoya?? I thought it was Yemoja??

Osun State needs to get its act together in tourism and treat it strictly like a business at the highest levels of governance, in order to earn improved revenue from it. Look at Nairobi, Kenya and Gaborone, Botswana. Right from the international airport, you are given leaflets and flyers highlighting all the tourism attractions in their country, and if you visit the tourism desk right at their airport they will book you a hotel, cab, or bus and hand you over to a registered tour operator that takes you straight to their tourist sites. Of course, you would pay the required fees directly to the tour company, but it is worth it.

Their tour operators go out of their way to make your stay comfortable and interesting. There are so many branded souvenirs of high quality at every corner, for you to choose from as holiday gifts. And they do not cost the earth.

These countries are actively represented at the World Travel Market and other fairs around the globe that have anything to do with tourism, travel and hospitality. Osun State can learn how they did it, and adapt some of their methods to drive tourism in their state. For example, can't we get hovercrafts and ferries from Lagos State to transport people directly to Osun for the festival, using the waterways??

kaybams1:


If this is what this thread is created for, then i can assure you that it will die a natural death. What's the point talking about the obvious. Tinubu is a fool, Fashola is overrated bla bla bla..... Pages keep rolling with unnecessary vitriolics on men that are not less fallible as we are. I think we need to relax for starters and act like progressives that we are. Deliberate more on issues and less on individuals.

Aareonakakanfo:
[b]For God's sake how will I be earning 10k per month and be borrowing 50k from the bank.Who does that?

Maaan some of these guys don't think.Common sense

Despite the number of Industries springing up in Ogun state, why is the IGR so low? Look at the gap between Lagos and other South-west states

Mr otondo Mimi-coke just borrowed another N7billion oo

Komonsense Solutions

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Cut down the population of civil service workers by encouraging vocations.Not everyone should be in the Civil service

Encourage entrepreneurship so more private sector jobs can be created.If we lay off government workers through inefficiency, they can move to the private sector and those on the payroll of the Government will reduce

Raise Taxes:Taxes should be raised.Companies should pay more tax.This is where I fault Ogun state

Cut Spending: Increasing tax is not enough,some of these Governors are just wasteful.Patronize local firms because Its cheaper.There's Dantata & Sawoe Construction,there's Costain west Africa.I believe these foreign construction companies are cheating us.Projects that should ordinarily cost $2billion will cost $7billion .Why?[/b]

laudate:


Egbon, I am sorry but I don't believe in increased taxes! All the ones that have been paid so far, have they been properly deployed in a transparent manner to areas of need?? Have they been judiciously utilised? Especially in Lagos??

From what the tax officers say, only 50% of taxable adults in places like Lagos are paying tax. So my suggestion would be to widen the tax net to ensure that the remaining 50% who currently do not pay tax, are made to pay their taxes. Make it easy and comfortable for people to pay their taxes, and let people experience the direct benefits of paying their tax. Don't overburden existing taxpayers.

I keep paying tax, but the road that leads to my house is in shambles. I pay Land Use Charge but the amenities in my neighbourhood are virtually zero. I pay vehicle license renewal tax, but I still go through toll gates and am still charged. Half of my taxes are used for massive electioneering campaigns, to elect leaders who would still mismanage taxes I have paid, or who would still ensure that at least 30% of my taxes end up in their private pockets. Na wetin?? Kilode??!

Eyin naa tun gbe ti yin de.

There's no how we won't need to increase tax.No government can survive without that

All we need is accountability

Aareonakakanfo:
This one wey everybody just dey jump inside ring

Why una eyes dey red like this.kilode? ehn!

I know some people are waiting to jump in as well

Make una calm dahn ooo before fight start

Oya e je ka jo

Shymm3x:




The both of you have said it all and there's nothing more to add.

The ridiculous debt profile and utter idi.otic fiscal policies by SW governors is enough for folks to hit the streets and start protesting in saner climes. It shows that collectively SWern governors are the worst in the country. How can five of the 6 states be running at a deficit and folks think people need to be quiet about it? Ridiculous.

Who cares about who's reading and taunting who? Are they the ones who will pay back the debts, while these rogues keep enriching themselves, their cronies, and unborn generations on the backs of poor Yoruba folks who aren't benefiting anything from their wasteful spending, with nothing to show for it?

These folks have failed Yorubas and we need to talk about their obvious failures. That was what we created the thread for - for awareness and to discuss everything Yoruba, with no holds barred.

If Winston Churchill wasn't critiqued for his shortcomings and obvious failures - there would have never been a Clement Attlee, who's the father of modern Britain and the greatest British PM ever.

Aareonakakanfo:
Hmmmmn Shymm3x o ga.E se a je ka ni suuru.

One thing I know for sure is that besides the 2 or 3 posters I've personally called out here, I truly believe everyone here wants good for the Yoruba nation even though some of us are still partisan

We all agree we're Yorubas first before we're PDP/APC so lets avoid any friction as much as we can

One Love!

tupacshakur:


Gbawe baba!...always a pleasure reading your posts.

The state of my state, Osun saddens me a great deal.

I think the goddess of the land, Yeye Osun is angry with Aregbesola for changing the state's slogan from "The state of the Living spring" to one yeye "Land of virtue".

Where is the nonsense virtue, when there's no money?

The slogan, "The state of the Living spring" perfectly depicts the insignia, core and crux of the state, the Osun Oshogbo river and the Osun Oshogbo sacred grove, a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

I'm sure it's monotheistically religious and "God-fearing" individuals like modath that must have convinced Aregbe to change the slogan, based on the fact it tends to promote our traditional religion and gods at the expense of imported religions like Islam and Christianity.

Aregbe should be advised to appease the gods and goddesses of the land and change the slogan with immediate effect, for sanity and prosperity to return back to the state. O ni lati gbe ebo losi oritameta.

If he doesn't, I'm changing it as soon as I become the Governor. Zimoni and Modath, I'm thinking of making you guys commissioners when I become the Governor of Osun state. What portfolios would you prefer?

modath:



You notice I hardly have strong words for our SW leaders not only cos of Elder Gbawe but it doesn't sserve us right if we just group ourselves to create a thread & spend 90% complaing.

Aareonakakanfo:
Eyin naa tun gbe ti yin de.

There's no how we won't need to increase tax.No government can survive without that

All we need is accountability

kaybams1:

If this is what this thread is created for, then i can assure you that it will die a natural death. What's the point talking about the obvious. Tinubu is a fool, Fashola is overrated bla bla bla..... Pages keep rolling with unnecessary vitriolics on men that are not less fallible than we are. I think we need to relax for starters and act like progressives that we are. Deliberate more on issues and less on individuals.

laudate:

Am so sorry. I saw this before, but I just lost track of it somewhere in between my numerous responses.

I will search for data on the total number of workers in state ministries, but that would take a bit of time. I am sure some ministries don't even have accurate figures on the number of workers they have!

As for PPP, it is an operational scheme in Lagos, Ogun and a few other places, but it really needs a lot of fine-tuning and monitoring, and there have been instances to show that the states have not been up to par, in their monitoring functions.

In Lagos for example, there is the Lagos State Public-Private Partnership Office that implements and monitors PPP projects. The AES Nigeria’s 270 Megawatt (MW) - IPP Project, is reported to be an Independent Power Project (IPP) that operates nine (9) barge-mounted gas turbines, producing 270MW of electricity. On their website it says :
However in reality, AES was implicated in a financial scandal a few years back and the project was grounded. I don't know if it is back on stream now. I need to find out.

There is also the Akute Power Project (12.15 Megawatt) - IPP for the Lagos State Water Corporation. The Akute Power Project provides a total capacity of 12.15 MW by using four 3 MW GE Jenbacher gas engines.


To the best of my knowledge this project is still running, but the total amount spent so far and on-going costs are not fully known.

There have been other PPP arrangements in the area of waste collection and disposal, transportation, housing, land use revenue collection etc. You can get more details here: http://www.lagosstateppp.gov.ng/projects/case_studies/transportation/transportation.asp

The construction and tolling of the Lekki-Epe Expressway is another example of a PPP Project. While the1st phase of the road construction was completed in 2012, it has thrown up a lot of controversy and angst especially among the road users. The concession is operated by the Lekki Concession Company (LCC) which has a 30 year contract in place to collect tolls and maintain the roads. The profit sharing formula remains unknown, and the promoters were taken to court by residents along that road at one time. The success of that project led Lagos State to construct a tolled 1.7km bridge linking Lekki to Ikoyi, last year with another company.

However, construction on the coastal road has not even begun and the tolled Lekki-Epe expressway has not solved the traffic problem on that axis due to its faulty design and lack of overhead bridges to divert traffic at the roundabouts.

I'll be back with more info on both projects later.

Shymm3x:


And you think three pages of discussing the obvious on a thread we've pushed to over 200 pages will kill the thread, no?

How many posts have you contributed to the thread? We don't need you lot.