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Troops hit Boko Haram fighters preparing meal, advance to Sambisa main camp
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[quote author=jteku post=40041576]A well kitted Nigerian body[/quote)

Who r these guys

[quote author=bidexiii post=40045003][/quote]
Celebrity body-guards.

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Celebrity body-guards.

agaugust:


Is Eben part of today's SANDF ? He was trained by old apartheid SADF not current SANDF.

He was not the only one who trained Nigerians, he trained about 120 men of 72 mobile strike force. Russia and Pakistan trained 5,000 NA men who led the final offensive and were very effective, see their photos all over this thread, just scroll a few pages back and see the Russian Nigerians !

Israeli PMC trained large battalions, so Eben did only a very tiny fraction of training Nigerians.

Video : Israeli Nirtal Ltd PMC training Nigerian SF in North East war zone...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDkybigIskw

Don't personalize the matter, I believe AU did not do a good training worth the effort in South Africa, AU problem, but the host should have provided an adequate battle theatre that reflects current African needs.....or are they only going to intervene in open land desert wars?

Now it's not about "theatre" but the SANDF. It is clear what your inspires your fantasies.

An exercise isn't training.

The exercise had various stages and scenarios.

agaugust:


DRC war was an easy UN intervention against a dead M23 force that was already crippled by UN cutting off their logistics and military support.

When you face Boko Haram, El-Shabab, ISIS, you will see why 5 national armies will battle terrorists for 5 years and still not win. Go ask NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Afghanistan is a huge country. NATO needed more troops.

BH become what is it because of the ineffectiveness of the Nigerian military.

what other armies will do is reduce its capabilities to mass shootings(small arms), bombings etc.

M23 had at its disposal semi-conventional capabilities which surpassed BH at its peak.

Henry240:


Celebrity body-guards.

With gear that looks like military SF OPS guy's?

Dakingsman, bro we need more exclusive photos in this thread.

Can you or anyone also identify this vessel the Nigerian Navy is currently building?

agaugust:


My point exactly, Africa should learn to do things right the first time and stop the habit of faltering 5 times before using basic sense and thinking.

All armies should have shipped in their own equipment for AMANI, the host should have provided a simulated sub urban battle scenario as it happens in today's African conflicts, the AU force is not going to intervene in wide open barren land desert style Arab-Israeli war of 1973.

What is worth doing is worth doing well. When you train for war, make it look real.

You're talking non-sense.

The scenario 6 is an AU one not South Africans as you'd love to.

what desert? The field resembles South Sudan, Somalia, Northeast Nigeria, Mali etc

There's no heavy urban fighting in Africa. Rebel forces melt from cities easily when challenged.

bidexiii:

With gear that looks like military SF OPS guy's?

Yeah, apparently so.

MikeCZAR:
You're talking non-sense.

The scenario 6 is an AU one not South Africans as you'd love to.

what desert? The field resembles South Sudan, Somalia, Northeast Nigeria, Mali etc

There's no heavy urban fighting in Africa. Rebel forces melt from cities easily when challenged.

Where are boko-haram elements mainly engaging the Nigerian military?

Henry240:


Where are boko-haram elements mainly engaging the Nigerian military?

As seen in rugged7 pictures it is in Sambisa.

There's no heavy urban fighting.

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MikeCZAR:
As seen in rugged7 pictures it is in Sambisa.

There's no heavy urban fighting.

So Bama, Gwoza, Banki, Maiduguiri, Gombe city, Potiskum, Madagali, Damaturu, Mafa, Dikwa, Gambarou, Ngala, et al are all in Sambisa forest?


The reason i don't want to engage with you South-Africans, and especially on this topic is because, you people "make comments without sense". "Talk without sense".

dakingsman:


No bro, will ask guys tho...

Okay, please do.

Thanks for posting man!

K

MikeCZAR:
As seen in rugged7 pictures it is in Sambisa.

There's no heavy urban fighting.

It's not a bad thing to admit you have no idea than to pretend you do and end up looking clueless.

Henry240:


So Bama, Gwoza, Banki, Maiduguiri, Gombe city, Potiskum, Madagali, Damaturu, Mafa, Dikwa, Gambarou, Ngala, et al are all in Sambisa forest?


The reason i don't want to engage with you South-Africans, and especially on this topic is because, you people "make comments without sense". "Talk without sense".

There's no heavy urban fighting.

Also check the infrastructure of the places you mentioned.

stillchris:
K

It's not a bad thing to admit you have no idea than to pretend you do and end up looking clueless.

There's no heavy urban fighting.

Unless you wanna prove me wrong.

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MikeCZAR:
There's no heavy urban fighting.

Also check the infrastructure of the places you mentioned.

The Fightings in Kidal, Timbucktu, Gao and other Malian cities were what exactly?


Most of the engagements the Nigerian military has had with insurgents have been FIBUA and in close quarters, street-level figthings in urban areas and villages.

I'm really not in the mood to engage you in something you are clearly ignorant of.

As for the un-necessary abuse & gang-up on Agaugust, I find it rather unfortunate. Agaugust made important...... very important intelligent observations.

African militaries currently engaged in operations are not fighting an enemy in wide open fields, the engagements have all been street-level. We do not face a "Russia style" threat, I don't see why the training exercise would mirror that of an enemy you face in wide open fields.


Amani Africa II is in response to the lackluster deployment of African troops to Mali. The enemy in Mali fought in built up areas. We as Africans should learn to do things right, especially in the first instance, as we do not have the money or resources to afford making a mistake.

dakingsman:

Ur welcome

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dakingsman:

Ur welcome

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rugged7:
"Insufferable oaf"...
You are not the only one who knows how to abuse people.
This thread is not for abuse but yet you south africans keep spamming this thread with abuse.
You know which thread u can take all the abuse to...
It is just embarrassing watching you act like kids
u keep on insulting people on this thread for no just cause
Most people come here to learn and read and see interesting write-ups, pix and videos without all this abuse.
If you know u cannot abide by that, why not just STOP posting here
CEASE AND DESIST

Read through the forum and see whom it was who started with the thinly veiled insults

Henry240:


So Bama, Gwoza, Banki, Maiduguiri, Gombe city, Potiskum, Madagali, Damaturu, Mafa, Dikwa, Gambarou, Ngala, et al are all in Sambisa forest?


The reason i don't want to engage with you South-Africans, and especially on this topic is because, you people "make comments without sense". "Talk without sense".

lol, perhapse you should have a word about your man augustus about "comments without sense"

And fyi, the majority of the fighting you boys have been doing is in the bush

Patchesagain:


lol, perhapse you should have a word about your man augustus about "comments without sense"

And fyi, the majority of the fighting you boys have been doing is in the bush

Gwoza which is the Boko Haram HQ is also a Bush rite?

Most of them moved to sambisa when the fight became serious. The actual fight start in the towns they were controlling. A very good example is MUBI in Adamawa state which is a major town in the state.

Henry240:


The Fightings in Kidal, Timbucktu, Gao and other Malian cities were what exactly?


Most of the engagements the Nigerian military has had with insurgents have been FIBUA and in close quarters, street-level figthings in urban areas and villages.

I'm really not in the mood to engage you in something you are clearly ignorant of.

As for the un-necessary abuse & gang-up on Agaugust, I find it rather unfortunate. Agaugust made important...... very important intelligent observations.

African militaries currently engaged in operations are not fighting an enemy in wide open fields, the engagements have all been street-level. We do not face a "Russia style" threat, I don't see why the training exercise would mirror that of an enemy you face in wide open fields.


Amani Africa II is in response to the lackluster deployment of African troops to Mali. The enemy in Mali fought in built up areas. We as Africans should learn to do things right, especially in the first instance, as we do not have the money or resources to afford making a mistake.

Henry120

You quite obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

1. FIBUA is small unit tactics - responsibility is on donor nations to ensure that they are prepared for that
2. Terrain is irrelevant the idea is to see whether the Brigade can co-ordinate multi-faceted combat operations- responsibility is on donor nations to ensure that their men are prepped to fight in the terrain type.

What is the point of an exercise based on doctrine and deployment if you are going to break it down to small unit tactics in FIBUA environments?

Onus is on donor nations to make sure the men can fight
Onus is on AU to ensure that the men can fight together

South Africa has multiple urban warfare training facilities, if the PROFESSIONAL SOLDIERS thought that FIBUA was relevant, exercises would have been conducted there.

Clearly, it was not relevant

iblawi:




Most of them moved to sambisa when the fight became serious.

My point exactly (apologies for editing your post - i did take the time to read it all).

No one is saying that there is no urban combat happening

What we are saying is:

1. The MAJORITY of the combat is not urban combat
2. Urban combat is small-unit (company at biggest) orientated, its not suitable for training a BATTALION of men*

*take a look at the combat in syria, you dont see whole brigades moving around conducting operations - you see a couple dozen men, maybe some armor in support running around, while a couple of blocks away another disjointed group of men try do their own thing.

If you are focusing on COHESION and MANEUVER urban training is pointless because urban warfare is known percisely for: its lack of cohesion and maneuver

Henry240:


The Fightings in Kidal, Timbucktu, Gao and other Malian cities were what exactly?


Most of the engagements the Nigerian military has had with insurgents have been FIBUA and in close quarters, street-level figthings in urban areas and villages.

I'm really not in the mood to engage you in something you are clearly ignorant of.

As for the un-necessary abuse & gang-up on Agaugust, I find it rather unfortunate. Agaugust made important...... very important intelligent observations.

African militaries currently engaged in operations are not fighting an enemy in wide open fields, the engagements have all been street-level. We do not face a "Russia style" threat, I don't see why the training exercise would mirror that of an enemy you face in wide open fields.


Amani Africa II is in response to the lackluster deployment of African troops to Mali. The enemy in Mali fought in built up areas. We as Africans should learn to do things right, especially in the first instance, as we do not have the money or resources to afford making a mistake.

The cities you talk about are just villages.

There's no major urban fighting right now. Amani was an exercise not training.

MikeCZAR:
The cities you talk about are just villages.

There's no major urban fighting right now. Amani was an exercise not training.

Cities, towns, villages... Whatever, they are all "built up areas".

iblawi:


Gwoza which is the Boko Haram HQ is also a Bush rite?

Most of them moved to sambisa when the fight became serious. The actual fight start in the towns they were controlling. A very good example is MUBI in Adamawa state which is a major town in the state.

No major urban fighting.

Ineffectiveness of the Nigerian armed forces. If challenged BH won't fight down to bare hands defending a town when challenged by a force similar to the one during Amani.