Katsumoto:


Agitating for regionalism online won't do much good. The relationship between representatives (senate, house) and constituents is broken in Nigeria for many reasons. If people start to pressure their reps to push for Regionalism, then discussions can start. This is why I posited earlier that the issue is mainly leadership. Can the current Yoruba leadership not see these issues or is it that they don't care?

They should make an effort to care, irorun igi ni irorun eiye, If the economy is sound, their constituents who beg them for One one naira & hold them to ransom against their next election...

I walk my talk, if we need to take it out of here, I'm game.

Katsumoto:


Agitating for regionalism online won't do much good. The relationship between representatives (senate, house) and constituents is broken in Nigeria for many reasons. If people start to pressure their reps to push for Regionalism, then discussions can start. This is why I posited earlier that the issue is mainly leadership. Can the current Yoruba leadership not see these issues or is it that they don't care?



It would be unfair to introduce tax on bad roads. To tax roads, the government must first deliver good roads.

We are simply dancing around the root cause. The Nigerian State.
The last election was not about looking for a better Fashola but about preventing Bode George( who derives all his power to challenge for the seat from the FG) from seizing Lagos.
Tell me what progress you want to make from the bunch of criminals in the legislature.
Look at Kogi. Their elections is between a criminal incompetent and a criminal incompetent.
Meanwhile,some of our people have to endure that pain.
the legislature is not fit for purpose.
All the SW reps owe their loyalty to those who put them there. It is definitely not their prerogative.
Nigeria will definitely not become a better country.
Fulani attacked 20 communities in Kogi just 2 days ago.
Same way Sudan started until it became full blown.

Standing, chanting, with his hands clenched on the Opa Obata is the Olori Eyo of Lagos, Chief Kabiru Adesina Oshodi

superstar1:


I quite agree that we cannot continue with this warped constitution and still expects things to turn around.

FG have to relinquish some of the sectors under its purview to the state, as a matter of urgency. Most especially power, rail and solid minerals. If care is not taken, we will find ourselves in a situation where FG will be the one paying the salaries of virtually all the civil servants in the country.

The liberalisation of those identified key sectors is important more than ever before, if we really want to jump start the economy of the various states and of the region.

With the oil wealth dwindling and the urgent need for Northern states to get out of their comfort zones, they will be more than willing to support the liberalisation of those aforementioned sectors and also incentives for SMEs and Agriculture, which they have always naturally opposed because they see the country as their grandfather's estate.

I hope Fashola, Fayemi and Amaechi know the good they can do for the country. May God give them the wisdom to deliver what will benefit the masses.

Indeed. How long, for example, before the FG delivers adequate power supply? Even the current power "privatisation" was a scam. I remember Fashola making a comment that the FG will not do what it should do yet it is us (govenors) the people blame for everything. It is tiring sha. There are some non-negotiable essentials (power supply for example) that are the crucial system between a thriving SME sector and a moribund one yet the FG has failed to deliver these non-negotiable essentials to the detriment of Nigeria. I have seen many curse Governors on this site for lack of power and I had to shame my head. Governors must do more but at this point in time the FG will have to ensure, once and for all, it teaches them to fish.

I have travelled vastly across Africa and have not seen the energy of Nigerians elsewhere else !!! The FG, once and for all, should simply go all out to destroy the cabal keeping us down and put in place the most important 'enablers' (power, rail, SME development, optimal and commercial mining of solid minerals et al) that will assist a people who are naturally energetic and hard-working to do the rest for themselves. Anywhere you go, Nigerians are always likely to be the African most keen to be their own boss and set up businesses .

At home we are frustrated immensely by problems other nation overcame a 100 years ago. Pathetic really. In the grand scheme of things, governors can do a lot, and i am not making excuses for them, but the onus of developing Nigeria or even their own States as optimally as possible, and not development that can be reversed tomorrow because of falling oil prices, falls more on the FG because the 'essentials' that develop nations, plus keep them thriving and successful, are the preserve of the Nigerian FG and it is time we insist they deliver them so we can then see which leaders, at State level, are delivering and note those who are worthless. For example, if our SME sector was thriving and catering for 60% of the employment needs of Nigeria then why would some governors be in a position of spending so much, to the detriment of the state, on the wages of civil servant who would naturally be employed by the SME sector?

oduastates:


You right but you fail to admit that dangerous neighbourhoods are policed like concentration camps. That those societies have little or no tolerance for crime and that the violent crimes happen well away from tourist sites. ( You still get the odd drug dealers selling their wares or pick pockets
Like you are not hearing someone being robbed in a traffic jam all the time or whole Streets under siege from armed robbers.

No. They're not. Dangerous neighborhoods are neglected and ignored (i.e minority neighborhoods).

Tourist neighborhoods (for the sake of revenues) have a standard quantity of police enforcement.

Please, let's not utopia-lize America. If not because they control the media, you'd realize that America is akin to a war-torn zone when it comes to police enforcement.

Not to say that I don't agree with you. We do need state and/or region controlled security.

superstar1:


I was just about saying that.

It seems we are all lost on way forward.

State are indebted for at least 2 decades to come. The growing number of unemployed graduates is alarming. The climbing number of illiteracy is worrisome. The dearth of selfless leadership is heart rendering. The decadence in infrastructure is shameful.

Where do we go from here?

How do we get out of the mess?

Who can be the next selfless Awolowo. That c steer the ship of Yoruba Nation out of th stormy waters?

I believe hope is no lost. We just signed to think out of the box, to do the unthinkable before we can achieve the miraculous.

It is that unthinkable I cannot wrap my head round.

Like oduastates suggested, we don't need Awo. We need ourselves.

USA doesn't need G. Washington nor do they need Ben Franklin. We need ourselves and we need to let our leaders know what we need.

I think we need to take a bottom-up approach to revitalize Yorubaland: starting from the people to the people's leaders.

Hope is never lost. It took Japan less than 15years to build a developed nation out of its people. We can do it; all we need is encouragement and a culture of hardworking mentality.

Ibebe:


No. They're not. Dangerous neighborhoods are neglected and ignored (i.e minority neighborhoods).

Tourist neighborhoods (for the sake of revenues) have a standard quantity of police enforcement.

Please, let's not utopia-lize America. If not because they control the media, you'd realize that America is akin to a war-torn zone when it comes to police enforcement.

Not to say that I don't agree with you. We do need state and/or region controlled security.

Well, I will like the yoruba country to become like the American war zone.

PrincessJaneDoe:


This is why I am a big fan of state policing.

Permit to think aloud and hopefully some of the veterans can correct me

Why can't our governments introduce road tax on state roads? e.g. Lekki toll

do indigenes and non-indigenes who do not reside in the state pay the same amount in state schools (primary - tertiary)?

Ditto state hospitals.

Yes.


You know what just came to my mind?


Since most of the best Unis are in the SW, why can't we tax more students from other states for tuition fees; out-of-state[region] tuition.

Try build a society on this. In the last month

NO fewer than 22 persons, including women and children were feared killed when suspected Fulani herdsmen in the early hours of Monday, attacked nine communities in Dekina Local Council of Kogi State.

The murder of a villager in Egede community in the Udi Local Council of Enugu State by suspected Fulani herdsmen has heightened tension in the area as village leaders move in to forestall reprisal attacks.


It was tears, sorrow and gnashing of teeth when the body of 37-year-old Nanmwa Bongdul, who was murdered when some Fulani herdsmen attacked the Kwata community in Zawan, Jos, the capital of Plateau State, was laid to rest in his home town of Nban, Langtang North Local Government Area of the state.

modath:


You are blessed jare my sister... People talk about ilu oyinbo like it is Utopia,...Pregnant me had a scruffy looking guy charge at me, asking to HOLD a Dollar on the street of Chicago, I WAS SCARED STIFF & no one even looked at us 2ce...

I spent 2 whole months & didn't venture to Southside..... Don't want any stray bullet...

The difference between the WEST & HERE is that things are organized & you are RELATIVELY safe , There is no TOTAL assurance of SAFETY..

Yep. Everything is systematically organized in the USA, including racism.

oduastates:


Well, I will like the yoruba country to become like the American war zone.

oduastates:
Try build a society on this. In the last week
NO fewer than 22 persons, including women and children were feared killed when suspected Fulani herdsmen in the early hours of Monday, attacked nine communities in Dekina Local Council of Kogi State.

Hahha I get your point.

For any society to be developed and safe, Fulani herdsmen need to be restricted to a concentration camp. I don't know if those people are even humans.

Take the Fulanis and their almajiris out of the South and we've got a developing region.

IyaIode:
The greed for special status

What is the meaning of special status ?

Ibebe:

Yes.
You know what just came to my mind?
Since most of the best Unis are in the SW, why can't we tax more students from other states for tuition fees; out-of-state[region] tuition.

The best Unis in d SW are Federal Unis.They are belong to all nigerians.....constitutionally.

Ibebe:




Hahha I get your point.

For any society to be developed and safe, Fulani herdsmen need to be restricted to a concentration camp. I don't know if those people are even humans.

Take the Fulanis and their almajiris out of the South and we've got a developing region.

I am not saying anyone should be restricted to concentratiin camp.
I like your optimism but we need a reality check here.
In spite of my misgivings, that is why I think the likes of odumakin, mimiko, afenifere are necessary to put the tinubus in check before we plunge too deep.
I am saying that Nigeria lacks the barest minimum of factors required for a stable, prosperous country.
That Nigeria is a failed state.
That the rot is irreversible.
The country is doomed.
Without exaggeration, that the country is already like Sudan of the 90's even if those inside it cannot perceive.
That our leaders should start the process of disengaging from the mess.
Right now, yorubaland is like a huge refugee camp.

Here are some images I designed yesterday. I will design more.

I will not let them get buried. It's because we don't know what is possible, that's why we don't agitate for their potential.

Ibebe:


Like oduastates suggested, we don't need Awo. We need ourselves.
USA doesn't need G. Washington nor do they need Ben Franklin. We need ourselves and we need to let our leaders know what we need.

I think we need to take a bottom-up approach to revitalize Yorubaland: starting from the people to the people's leaders.

Hope is never lost. It took Japan less than 15years to build a developed nation out of its people. We can do it; all we need is encouragement and a culture of hardworking mentality.

I was not calling for Awo, but for people with Awo's like selfless spirit.

Awo is long gone, but the tenets and principles that made him a success are attributes that should be emulated by would-be leaders as a minimum acceptable standard.

yassss

^^^ Like Oduastates states, these are only possible where security is tight and reliable.

We need regionalism or state police.

oduastates:


I am not saying anyone should be restricted to concentratiin camp.
I am saying that Nigeria lacks the barest minimum of factors required for a stable, prosperous country.
That Nigeria is a failed state.
That the rot is irreversible.
The country is doomed.
Without exaggeration, that the country is already like Sudan of the 90's even if those inside it cannot perceive.
That our leaders should start the process of disengaging from the mess.
Right now, yorubaland is like a huge refugee camp.

Nigeria is FAILING as a state,Nigeria is not a failed state.

Musiwa419:
What is the meaning of special status ?

Lagos chose to fight for special allocation over regionalism. Ondo didn't want to lose its own

superstar1:


I was not calling for Awo, but for people with Awo's like selfless spirit.

Awo is long gone, but the tenets and principles that made him a success are attributes that should be emulated by would-be leaders as a minimum acceptable standard.

Ok, sounds better.

We need leaders who are not selfish and who speaks out against Northern Oligarchy.

No, we don't need the likes of FFK and Fayose who speaks out only for their own selfish /party interests.

Ibebe:
Here are some images I designed yesterday. I will design more.

I will not let them get buried. It's because we don't know what is possible, that's why we don't agitate for their potential.

Woah,Try to get this across to those govs,esp ur state govt,anything can happen.

oduastates:


I am not saying anyone should be restricted to concentratiin camp.

I like your optimism but we need a reality check here.

Well I am. They need to be restricted to the North [concentration camp]

In spite of my misgivings, that is why I think the likes of odumakin, mimiko, afenifere are necessary to put the tinubus in check before we plunge too deep.
I am saying that Nigeria lacks the barest minimum of factors required for a stable, prosperous country.
That Nigeria is a failed state.
That the rot is irreversible.
The country is doomed.
Without exaggeration, that the country is already like Sudan of the 90's even if those inside it cannot perceive.
That our leaders should start the process of disengaging from the mess.
Right now, yorubaland is like a huge refugee camp.

You accurately described Yorubaland right now.
Everyone is trooping to Yorubaland from every corner, it's even worse in Lagos.
We're being overburdened with people and low resources to control them.

I disagree with jstbeinhonest. Nigeria is a FAILED state.

Give it 50 more years when the ND oil dries, then we'll know how deep we've dug ourselves.

jstbeinhonest:

Woah,Try to get this across to those govs,esp ur state govt,anything can happen.

To the Gov?

They'll roll their eyes and throw me out. We need to show the people so that they can tax their gov to build them a nation of their worth.

Ibebe:


Yes.


You know what just came to my mind?


Since most of the best Unis are in the SW, why can't we tax more students from other states for tuition fees; out-of-state[region] tuition.

Ibebe, are you talking about utopia or a STATE in NIGERIA ??

Fashola deported Non Yoruba layabouts & his YORUBA kith & kin used it as cheap political tool against him..

Just pause for a moment to think of Ogun state University lmposing a "non indigene" levy on an ondo statr indigenious student, IT CAN'T EVER END WELL.

modath:


Ibebe, are you talking about utopia or a STATE in NIGERIA ??

Fashola deported Non Yoruba layabouts & his YORUBA kith & kin used it as cheap political tool against him..

Just pause for a moment to think of Ogun state University lmposing a "non indigene" levy on an ondo statr indigenious student, IT CAN'T EVER END WELL.

I thought about that, that's why I had [region] in a bracket. Out of Region tuition

Don't mind that omo ale agbaje..... another afonja in our midst.

modath:


Ibebe, are you talking about utopia or a STATE in NIGERIA ??

Fashola deported Non Yoruba layabouts & his YORUBA kith & kin used it as cheap political tool against him..

Just pause for a moment to think of Ogun state University lmposing a "non indigene" levy on an ondo statr indigenious student, IT CAN'T EVER END WELL.

It makes no sense because we have a symbiotic relationships between the homeland states.
There are thousands of ogun students in osun, lagos, Ondo and ekiti.
This is different from the parasitic relationship with other regions apart from the Niger - delta who earn their keep.

superstar1:


Lagos and Ondo kicked against regionalism at the last GEJ's national Confab.

Lagos case is even more critical.

I think it's always better to read the background story before blaming Lagos for demanding special status.

When they were preparing for the lousy confab that was more of an owanbe party than anything worth taking seriously, they never included anyone from Lagos. Perhaps due to the disagreements those representing Yorubas, who're also part of the PDP have with Tinubu who built his empire in Lagos. They only got those from Lagos involved at the last minute after protests.

Obviously, what do you expect those you never carried along to demand?

I can't speak for Ondo...but you can't blame those from Lagos for demanding something else.

PrincessJaneDoe:


This is why I am a big fan of state policing.

Permit to think aloud and hopefully some of the veterans can correct me

Why can't our governments introduce road tax on state roads? e.g. Lekki toll

do indigenes and non-indigenes who do not reside in the state pay the same amount in state schools (primary - tertiary)?

Ditto state hospitals.

With the recurrent expenditure that's already running these states into the ground - how are you going to finance state policing?

Shymm3x:


I think it's always better to read the background story before blaming Lagos for demanding special status.

When they were preparing for the lousy confab that was more of an owanbe party than anything worth taking seriously, they never including anyone from Lagos. Perhaps due to the disagreements those representing Yorubas, who're also part of the PDP have with Tinubu who built his empire in Lagos. They only got those from Lagos involved at the last minute after protests.

Obviously, why do you expect those you never carried along to demand?

I can't speak for Ondo...but you can't blame those from Lagos for demanding something else.

That special status thing is the reason why I referred to the tinubu's clique as transient leaders of the times.
Imagine someone demanding to for special status from a beggar who is spending his money.
That is weak.
Very very very weak.
However I know the political reason why they rejected regionalism and the entire national conference.
To put it simply, Jonathan set up that conference to break the APC Coalition. Especially to cause friction between the SW and the north based on that issue.
Any weakness in the chunk of APC's armor would have been slam dunk for Jonathan.
Since Jonathan, his crew and the neo - facist ethnic agenda they were pushing, were the clear and present danger, it became politically expedient to keep the coalition at the expense of every other thing.

oduastates:


That special status thing is the reason why I referred to the tinubu's clique as transient leaders of the times.
Imagine someone demanding to for special status from a beggar taking his own money.
That is weak.
Very very very weak.
However I know the political reason why they rejected regionalism and the entire national conference.
To put it simply, Jonathan set up that conference to break the APC Coalition. Especially to cause friction between the SW and the north based on that issue.
Any weakness in the chunk of APC's armor would have been slam dunk for Jonathan.
Since Jonathan, his crew and the neo - facist ethnic agenda they were pushing, were the clear and present danger, it became politically expedient to keep the coalition at the expense of every other thing.

That's what happens in a divided house. Hence they went to the conference as a divided house, demanding different things. And these are supposed to be Yoruba leaders.

The Yoruba committee included, Itsekiris, Okun Yorubas, Igbominas, and all other Yorubas - apart from the ones from Lagos, just cos of one man. What type of madness is that? Yet everyone is talking about Lagos demanding "special status". Why won't they do that? Is Tinubu is even from Lagos? Why you start playing divisive politics of exclusion over trivial things at an event as inconsequential as that - then you know there's a big problem.

Lagos indigenes protest exclusion from Yoruba confab

Former Deputy Governor of Lagos State, Rafiu Jafojo, has described as unfortunate the sidelining of the state’s indigenes by the Yoruba Committee on National Conference.

The committee had met recently at the Ishara-Remo, Ogun State home of Olaniwun Ajayi. The meeting was meant to strategize on the selection of delegates for the South West geo-political zone ahead of the conference. Jafojo noted that no leaders from Lagos was invited to the meeting despite the full participation of various groups in the state, such as the Awori Descendant Union, Association of Lagos State Indigenes led by retired Justice Ishola Oluwa and Awori Welfare Association of Nigeria led by Pa Opeifa at the recently concluded Femi Okunronmu-led Presidential Committee on National Dialogue at the Nigeria Institute of International Affair on Victoria Island, Lagos.

According to him, Lagos State will continue to be the heartbeat of the Yoruba nation, adding that as long as leaders from other states in the geo-political zone continue to sideline the state from its affairs, the zone will never get it right.

He wondered how Yoruba leaders would be meeting to discuss the future of the nation without the contribution of such personalities like Lateef Jakande, retired Justice Oluwa, retired Gen. Tajudeen Olanrewaju, former Inspector General of Police, Musiliu Smith, J. Williams and a host of other leaders from the state.

He, therefore, advised the conveners of the Ishara Remo meeting to take note of the omission and make amends before the next meeting to get Lagos State involved in the selection of delegates for the conference. Such a move, he said, would ensure adequate representation of every section of the Yoruba nation.

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/02/lagos-indigenes-protest-exclusion-from-yoruba-confab/

The thing is Jonathan did not give a hoot about the conference or any other conference.
What he cared about was power and he had already given assurances to the north that nothing would come out of it.
He hand-picked 51% of the delegates and beyond creating extra beggar states, the entire conference was about what more the SW will give, what less the Niger -delta will give and what more the South East will gain.
The entire conference was to checkmate the SW and its outcome was a poison chalice to the yoruba country.
Imagine that the conference granted indigenous rights to non -indigens in a senseless tribal state like Nigeria.
Even without those right some are already flexing muscles.
I sm tired of trying to manage relationships and be competing for scarce resources /power with hostile tribes.
It is the same stupppiddd thing the yoruba leaders have been doing since independence.
The only people who argue against this are those benefitting from the rot.
We have written about yoruba achievers in the diaspora. Try bring up the issue of Nigeria with any of those folks and they will shut you down immediately.
Most would rather not be associated with the country.
For example West Indians like many Jamaican artists are always eager to throw their West Indians heritage in your face. They are proud of it because they have something to rally around
The same can not be said of Yoruba diaspora because of the extreme shame associated with the country.