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Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 11:05am On Nov 19, 2015 |
truthman2012: Thier mumu strong, o gidi gan... 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Annunaki(m): 12:38pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
truthman2012: Their allahh is a clearly confused and very dishonest deity. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 3:25pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
maverickboy:Whatever you believe in doesn't change the fact that Allah wasnt mention in any history book as the God of Abraham and Moses except your Quoran which was written by an alien man of an alien culture. Words can never change facts. Stop the self-deceit. Allah is a fake. 3 Likes |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 3:26pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
Annunaki: Correct ! Wicked and deceitful arabian god, allahh. He kept abrogating his own revelations and making Muhammad to forget some. If he is God, why was he making mistakes and changing his revelations? Very deceptive. 3 Likes |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by maverickboy: 3:47pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
truthman2012:As much as I know, that Surah wasn't addressing Christians or Jews as such, no interpreter would put those words there. I'm very sure you are responsible for that interpolation, and it's very wrong- it's plain corruption. truthman2012:I'm now assuming this's too complicated for you to understand. Or maybe you are enjoying your folly. Either ways, I don't think I may be of help. 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by maverickboy: 4:20pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
Pyrrho:And now that even Wikipedia can't solve you guys problems, what can I say? Over the centuries, The 'concept of God' in Christendom has suffered great deal of damages that it can't withstand a bit of acid test. Pagans of different origins and set of beliefs have over the time incorporated their polytheistic understanding of God into christianity. But, what do you people know than to just be shouting your ass out over lies and lies. 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 4:41pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
maverickboy: Who was the verse referring to, state with proof? Are the Jews and Christians not disbelievers (kafir) in islam? [Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (i.e the Jews and Christians) as believe not in Allah...... That verse says the Jews and Christians do not believe in allahh, right? Are they not DISBELIEVERS in islam? [Quran 109:1] Say: O disbelievers! (i.e the Jews and Christians who didn't believe in allahh) 2. I worship not that which ye worship; 3. Nor worship ye that which I worship. As the Jews and Christians do not believe in allahh but Yahweh, who is this allahh who said he is not Yahweh? He must be an arabian idol, the head of the 360 idols inside Kaaba, and the one worshiped in Muhammad's family, whom Abdullai (meaning servant of allahh) was named after and who falsely claimed to be God. But his actions and the way he is worshiped like other idols in Mecca show is the head of the arabian idols. The Devil used Muhammad to make his father's idol, which coincidentally was the head of Meccans' idol the only god to be recognized. So, when muslims talk about oneness of god, what they are saying in reality is cancellation of other idols to remain only allahh the head. I think you must appreciate this islamic free education. 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by maverickboy: 7:07pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
truthman2012: [b]Historical Background of the Sura: There was a time in Makkah when although a storm of opposition had arisen in the pagan society of Quraish against the message of Islam preached by the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace), yet the Quraish chiefs hall not yet lost hope that they would reach some sort of a compromise with him. Therefore, from time to time they would visit him with different proposals of compromise so that he accepted one of them and the dispute between them was brought to an end. In this connection, different traditions have been related in the Hadith . According to Hadrat Abdullah bin Abbas, the Quraish proposed to the Holy Prophet; "We shall give you so much of wealth that you will become the richest man of Makkah. We shall give you whichever woman you like in marriage. We are prepared to follow and obey you as our leader, only on the condition that you will not speak ill of our gods. If you do not agree to this, we present another proposal which is to your as well as to our advantage." When the Holy Prophet asked what it was, they said that if he would worship their gods, Lat and Uzza, for a year, they would worship his God for the same space of time. The Holy Prophet said: "Wait awhile; let me see what my Lord commands in this regard." Thereupon the revelation came down: Qul ya-ayyuhal- kafirun... and: Qul afa-ghair Allahi... (Az-Zumar: 64): "Say to them: ignorant people, do you bid me to worship others than Allah?" (Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Tabarani). According to another tradition from Ibn Abbas, the Quraish said to the Holy Prophet: "O Muhammad, if you kiss our gods, the idols, we shall worship your God.Thereupon, this Surah was sent down. (Abd bin Humaid).[/b] englishtafsir.com/quran/109/index.html By the way, can I know the translation version you are repeatedly quoting. Your own 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 7:38pm On Nov 19, 2015 |
maverickboy: My quote is from Pickthal translation. The long essay you posted has no substance. It is a write-up of some muslims without quranic or hadith backing. Tafsir means interpretation of the quran, how were they able to interpret quran 109 after many years of Muhammad death as they were not yet born then? Note that only Muhammad could receive revelations from allahh, from whom did they get that information from as they didn't meet Muhammad on earth? So, to form a defence for the quran, any muslim or group of muslims can just interpret it to suit their purpose. Tomorrow another muslim will search the internet and give us another different interpretation to the same verse. This is my experience on nairaland. For me, I have used quran 9:29 to interpret 109 and that makes a lot of sense rather than using a formulated story to interpret it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by maverickboy: 9:20am On Nov 20, 2015 |
truthman2012:Then you are guilty of interpolation. truthman2012: Gosh, you really are making me want to vomit! I know you didn't click the link, so how did you know it has no Hadith? Even the historical background of the sura I put up there is very genuine and no other account was presented to explain the event that led to its revelation. Besides, is Tafsir possible without Hadith? learn, and stop pretending to know what you know next to nothing about. truthman2012:Hahaha... This man is really something! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 9:58am On Nov 20, 2015 |
maverickboy
Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Your Allah just sent you fellows to come down here to be dark angels. Can't you see? If trumpet sounds today where are you going to? |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 10:00am On Nov 20, 2015 |
maverickboy: maverickboy: No doubt Yahweh is not the same as allahh, apart from the confirmation in quran 109, the way muslims worship allahh is the way meccan idolaters worship their idols. No prophets of God before Muhammad went to Mecca to worship Yahweh islamically. Moses, Jesus and other did talk about it. If Kaaba is truly the house of Yahweh from the time of Abraham, why didn't any of Yahweh's prophets go there to worship islamically or did allah forget to put that in the quran? 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Rilwayne001: 1:11pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
truthman2012: loool.. Sheik Truthman2012, I hail o |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:23pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
maverickboy: you don't know that lieman yet. He's a complete retar.d lol he will just keep annoying you with baseless arguments that lacks substance. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:23pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: me seff throway salute for am as Yoruba will say: mo beri fun! olodo oshi 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Rilwayne001: 1:35pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
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Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:46pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
truthman2012: alaye leave story. moses prayed in form of solat oyah! Moses prayed as we Muslim pray. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 2:09pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: And that's the old testament laws you still follow. That's what's casing this problems today |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 3:11pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:Leave the guy. The first person to have built the Ka'abba was Abraham 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Nobody: 3:11pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
truthman2012: Muslims can't offer their 5 daily prayer in any other language then Arabic.. Or haven't you wondered why Muslims don't pray in Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo? However other suplications can be in any other language. And of course if Yaweh means One God; A supreme being; Not three in one god; If the Yaweh isn't an adulterated god now assuming the position of God in your mind; And All the qualities of Allah are the same as that Yaweh; Then I can say Yahweh Akbar 1 Like |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 4:36pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:Where did you find that lie? Tell me where Moses as a Jew did ablution and faced kaaba when praying. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Annunaki(m): 4:56pm On Nov 21, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: Even pagans pray the same way muslims pray. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by truthman2012(m): 4:02pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
Annunaki: Islam and paganism are one and the same. When muslims say oneness of god, what they are saying in reality is abolition of other meccan idols for only allahh, the head of the 360 idols, which was the one worshiped in Muhammad's family. If their oneness of god is the same as the Jews Oneness of God, Muhammad should not have had issues with the Jews. |
Re: If Yahweh And Allah Are The Same God by Annunaki(m): 4:21pm On Nov 22, 2015 |
truthman2012: Mohammed had problems with the Jews because of his conceited, delusional narcissist tendencies. He was desperate to be accepted as a prophet for the simple reason he had a demonic attack in a cave while 'meditating'. It was the jewish rejection of his false claims that made him hate them. |
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