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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 2:43am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: It's better to ignore that guy. The guy is no different from Alh_harem. He's Fulani, Igbo, and Yoruba in one. All he ever does is troll and act as a pseudo-provocateur. You won't benefit anything tangible from discussing important issues with him. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 2:46am On Nov 30, 2015 |
InterloperX5: True words! We need a private-sector driven economy in these tough times.The government is bugged already.The only problem I have with the private sector is that the same folks who have always been there make things difficult for aspiring entrepreneurs.Don't even bother to rival Dangote in cement manufacturing and the other things he manufactures.Only folks of the same standing as him can give him a run for his money.Corruption  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 2:50am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Funjosh: The vice is just an appendage. You expect the leader of a country to be home when there are certain issues/crisis. France was attacked by terrorists - Hollande never left France that week. During the London riots, David Cameron had to cut short his holiday, just to address the people. But there have been terrorist attacks in Nigeria in the past week all over international media. Then you also had the incident where over 100 Nigerian soldiers were annihilated with chemical weapons by BH. Yet this old man keeps traveling everywhere like a tourist. All those useless foreign trips won't benefit Nigeria in anyway. And Nigeria is just a small fry in the committee of nations - no one cares about Nigeria. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by InterloperX5: 2:54am On Nov 30, 2015 |
ShymmeXS: But i will lay some blame on our near zero infrastructural development on the banks and financial institutions in Nigeria of not desirous in giving long term loans to would be investors or promoters of massive projects like this, their taste for quick return on investment and merry go round in currency trading then could't have exemplified how they (banks and co) suffer from fresh ideas. Irony of it all is they go on and declare mega profit year in year out without any serious corresponding infrastructural developmental input to their immediate society, transportation be it in air, on land or sea all over the world is hot money albeit long term, they cannot go wrong on that as the world population is still growing at an alarming rate, sub sahara Africa nee Nigeria is not an exception, people and goods still needs to be moved from point A to B and rail transport arguable the best way to tackle such especially for SW Nigeria. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Funjosh(m): 2:55am On Nov 30, 2015 |
ShymmeXS: May be becos I was expecting much from him that was why, he is just too quiet and its vexing me  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:04am On Nov 30, 2015 |
InterloperX5: I honestly don't think infrastructural development falls on financial institutions, unless you're alluding to PPP. And with PPPs, whoever is getting involved in such a venture would've the capital base to execute it - and cos it's profit oriented, I don't think financial institutions would deny a customer with assets to tender loans for an initiative like that. Regardless, the government is responsible for infrastructural development cos infrastructures are assets - hence capital expenditure is included in every budget. These folks just lack foresight and they're mostly educated-illiterates. And when you add greed to it, then it's no surprise that they're utter failures. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:06am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Funjosh: The VP position is the most mouth-watering political position in Nigeria.Sambo had so much fun with it and the nice part of it is that you don't get criticized   Its a Jaiye Jaiye position.You don ever swear for sambo before? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:07am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Funjosh: Boo-harry's problem is not about his quiet nature - the old man is just clueless. I called it here first - he'll end up as GEJ 2.0. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Funjosh(m): 3:09am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Yes during him campaign speech in Minna |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:10am On Nov 30, 2015 |
[size=14pt]APC lauds Ambode for improving Lagos’ security architecture[/size] [img]http://media.premiumtimesng.com/wp-content/files/2015/11/600x400xIMG_20151129_214444.jpg.pagespeed.ic.nwrbmNRW_v.webp[/img] The All Progressives Congress , APC Lagos State has thrown its massive weight behind Governor Akinwunmi Ambode for making the issue of security of lives and property in Lagos the number one priority. The party says that with the massive procurement of security equipment, the state has served warning to all criminals that they have no hiding place in Lagos. In a statement issued in Lagos by the State Publicity Secretary, Joe Igbokwe, the party said Governor Ambode has shown through actions and deeds that he takes the matter of security of more than 20 million Lagosians damned too serious and will stop at nothing to make Lagos the most secured state in Nigeria. It urges the police and all other security agencies to compliment the efforts of the state government by redoubling efforts to totally rout criminals from Lagos. “Given the huge resources expended to acquire these security gadgets we have no doubt in our mind that the Governor is aware that without security life will be meaningless for Lagosians. Good governance, peace, creation of jobs, and development of infrastructure to meet with the exponential growth of the population would have been put in jeopardy without functional security of lives and properties. “With what Lagosians saw on display last Friday in the seat of government in Alausa Lagos, it is clear that Governor Ambode has issued a stern warning to criminals and hoodlums to leave or perish. It is a clear signal that it is no longer business as usual for criminals in Lagos who may try to test the will of the present state government . It is a final push to flush out undesirable elements and put an end to smashing of glasses and robbing of commuters at traffic gridlocks within the metropolis. “We are indeed delighted that that the Lagos State government, ably led by Governor Ambode has risen to the occasion to tackle the problem head on, being responsive and responsible when the need is greatest. We are delighted that the man on the driver’s seat in Lagos has shown that leadership goes with responsibility. Lagosians demand nothing else. “We have no doubt in our mind that all Lagosians and all the security personnel will work in tandem to reduce crimes to the barest minimum knowing full well the power of teamwork and collectivity. The security agencies need information, they need co-operation , they need support and encouragement of all and sundry to deal with this great job which is very engaging, very tasking and very demanding. We therefore charge Lagosians to provide the needed civilian compliment for our security agencies to excel in protecting us by coming forth with information needed to apprehend and rout criminals in Lagos. We assure the rebranded state security outfit will guarantee the security and confidentiality of Lagosians as we give the police the necessary cooperation to rid the state of criminals”. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-west/194107-apc-lauds-ambode-for-improving-lagos-security-architecture.html |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Funjosh(m): 3:13am On Nov 30, 2015 |
ShymmeXS: Am not even talking about Baba Tourist, am talking of his Vice but Aare don answer me say na jaye jaye post. A Yoruba man for that matter, we still have a very long way to go  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:16am On Nov 30, 2015 |
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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by InterloperX5: 3:26am On Nov 30, 2015 |
ShymmeXS: Fair enough but i think leaving it all for the government in the face of dwindling financial resources we might just remain stuck with mediavial infrastructure . . . . .am thinking of a medley of financial instruments to be used on the premise of a mortgage like template with banks coming in and another arm with private public funding kind of. Because would be investor that might just be tough enough to stick out their neck would not want to risk it all with their funds alone, attractive ROI might sound and hopefully a part funding by indigenous banks helps to give it some secured home base clout and the government playing her role in here too helps to soothe every uncertain nerves within this financial ecosystem of funding . . . . . I know a few european countries that leveraged on that kind of template, the European Development fund was injected, some government funding thrown in same for home based bank as well and it worked well for all concern although we can fine tune ours in lieu of EU funding private funding comes on board. The banks involved in the EU project are now collecting something akin to rent money now and chilling and waiting for alert monthly or quarterly as the case maybe. The citizens of a State like Osun will not be disposed to their government using their limited resources investing in long term project say a train project at the expense of other projects begging for attention , why a medley of financial instruments should be used to get the job done imo. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:30am On Nov 30, 2015 |
[size=15pt]Women “becoming” men in Yoruba tradition[/size] An interlude before the post on royal women in Dahomey in which I shed some light on the fascinating subject of women becoming men in Yoruba tradition. In the previous post, we learned that among the ladies of the palace in Oyo, two presented themselves as men and were addressed as “Baba”, meaning father. But they form just the tip of the iceberg. Semley mentions that in Ketu oral histories depict Oduduwa, the first Yoruba leader as a woman. Some of us are aware that a number of powerful Orisha are regarded to be androgynous. In aspects of Yoruba worship, women are said to be “mounted”, i.e. possessed by male spirits. It can be said that Yoruba traditional belief views gender and sexual expression as fluid. Rather then being rigid, gender is influenced by factors such as age and wealth. These examples from the history and tradition show that not conforming to gender was not frowned upon. However gender non-conforming expressions in Yoruba culture did not necessarily mean that social constructions linked to biolgical sex was renounced. On the contrary, the person could assume gender roles depending on circumstances. In Oyo, the “male mothers” did not work with as many men as others like the the Oba-gunte who was part of the all-male Ogboni secret society but was still not addressed as Baba. Semley suggests that the two “men” among the “mothers” in the palace reinforce the understanding that femininity and masculinity were part of the religious and political power structure at all levels of the state. In some traditions on Oyo’s earliest history, the king who is said to have introduced warfare on horses was a woman called Orompoto (according to other sources Orompoto was a man as opposed to a woman who became a man, her name denotes “something soft” apparently because a woman who becomes a man must be a softhearted man). The name Orompoto suggests something soft. Orompoto is said to have physically changed herself into a man, and appeared naked to prove it. Friend and fellow Yoruba history nerd, Michael Akanji, recently wrote a post on Omosun, which appears to be another name by which Orompoto is referred (I have also come across the name Ajuwon Olode). He writes that Omosun wanted to be accorded the same rights and privileges of the first born after her older brother, the king’s eldest son died, and that she also wanted to be regarded as a man. Omosun is regarded as a “although a female, was of a masculine character and she considers the right and privileges of the Aremo (Crown Prince) her own” The title of Aremo was usually given to the king’s eldest son who would succeed the throne after his father’s death. The Aremo had a good amount of power without the same ritual restrictions as his father, the king. For Omosun to become the Aremo, she had to become a man. Michael sheds more light on Omosun’s story, she wanted to become the next king and rebelled after her Osinyago, adopted Woruale (Irale) his cousin as the Aremo over Omosun. Eventually a dispute rose between Omosun and Woruale, she ended up killing him in a fit of anger. Other accounts of Orompoto’s story say that she was a woman who “danced in and out on the day of her coronation and then the king-makers looked up and realised she had turned into a man.” Orompoto was the child of Egungunoju, the first king of Oyo at Igboho who had no sons. As she wanted to rule against Yoruba tradition, she chose to change her sex rather than shift the throne to another family. Orompoto was the monarch who introduced cavalary into the Oyo military and lead the Oyo army to conquer many lands. It has been suggested that she is the one behind Oyo bcoming the largest empire in Yoruba history. Interestingly, it is noted that Orompoto’s successor, her son Ajiboyede was the first Oyo king to impose castration for the ranking male official in the palace. Apparently no other woman assumed the Oyo throne before and after the reign of Orompoto, however this may be contended. What fascinates me about people like Orompoto and the “male mothers” of Oyo is how much of a choice they had in becoming men. It’s quite clear from Orompoto’s case that to become the Alaafin, she had to become a man first but were the “male mothers” required to become men as part of the office? Or was the space left open for women who were inclined to become men in the first place? Nonetheless the existence of such histories just goes to show, further proof by the way, that the heteronormative lens through which scholars look at Yoruba history needs to be challenged. https://eccentricyoruba./2015/07/08/women-becoming-men-in-yoruba-tradition/ Androgynous Orishas   9jacrip I need help |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:40am On Nov 30, 2015 |
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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:51am On Nov 30, 2015 |
[size=15pt]More on Efunsetan Aniwura[/size] Efunsetan Aniwura rose to become a very powerful and wealthy trader in the 19th century, she is one of the few Yoruba women that has withstood the test of history. Oral tradition states that she had three large farms, and that no less than 100 slaves worked in each at a time. Apparently she owned over 2,000 slaves in her lifetime. Like other Yoruba women traders, Efunsetan travelled across the land trading with all sorts of people. Her speciality was in arms and ammunition, she would lend these to warriors when they were going on military expeditions and it seems she also went to war a few times herself. She contributed to discussions on issues of war and peace due to her important position as an arms trader and thus had an influence in politics. She was the Iyalode (I like to translate this as Minister of Women Affairs although this may be limiting) of Ibadan. She is credited with the revival of the Alakija festival and is said to have performed the annual ceremony in dedication to Ori. Efunsetan also possessed “spiritual” prowess, “black magic”, “witchcraft” whatever you want to call it. I’ve read that she was beautiful, rich, audacious, proud, daring, someone who could not be crossed, fearsome… It is said that Efunsetan’s downfall came when she crossed the wrong person herself. Aare Latoosa (also spelt Latosa) was a powerful general, warrior and warload who fought in the Kiriji wars. He also frequently borrowed arms from Efunsetan and in 1874, he was late in paying the debit he owed her causing Efunsetan to cease her usual support. As a result Latoosa set out on a military expendition without as much arms as he expected, when he returned he had a bone to pick with Efunsetan. Formally, he levelled three charges against her; • That she did not allow her forces to accompany him to war. • That she never sent him supplies during the war campaign. • That she did not come in person to meet him outside the town wall to congratulate him on his safe return. This apparently started the battle between Latoosa and Efunsetan. According to Okunola and Ojo, Efunsetan was removed as Iyalode in that same year (1874), she was also heavily fined for her “error” all of which she paid. It is then suggested that Efunsetan tried to bribe other powerful people in order to seek Latoosa’s forgiveness, in vain. The second issue that seriously affected Efunsetan is that of her presumed only daughter dying during childbirth in 1860. In her grief at not having anyone to inherit her wealth Efunsetan transformed, becoming cruel and bitter especially towards her slaves. She would physically assault and starve them, and often kill them extrajudically something that apparently did not happen to other slaves in Yorubaland. It is suggested that her aggressions were targeted towards women because she was childless after losing her only child, she would kill any of her female slaves that became pregnant and any male slave that proposed love. Due to her excessive behaviour, Efunsetan was eventualy found guilty of the contempt by the council of chiefs, the traditional court back in the day, but she refused the punishment of self-exile. In the midst of this, there was a wider conspiracy to have Efunsetan murdered. This conspiracy involved powerful chiefs surrounding Latoosa. With the help of Kumiyilo (also spelt Kumuyilo), Efunsetan’s adopted son (this is important and I’ll come back to it later), they succeeded in hiring two slaves to bash Efunsetan’s head in while she slept. After this murder most foul, Kumiyilo was installed as the head of Efunsetan’s family. However the family protested and insisted on an investigation into Efunsetan’s mysterious death. Worried about an insurrection, Latoosa bowed to their pressure and summoned Kumiyilo for interrogation whereupon Kumiyilo named three of Latoosa’s close aides in the conspiracy to murder. In the end Kumiyilo was deposed as the head of the family and the actual murderers were executed. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 3:55am On Nov 30, 2015 |
[size=15pt]Efunroye Tinubu[/size] Madam Efunroye Tinubu was born around 1805 at Ijokodo in Egba Forest. Her father’s name was Olumosa and her mother’s name was Nijeede. Efunroye was delivered on a journey in the canoe and at the naming ceremony she was named Efunroye by her father and Osuntinubu by her mother. The name Osuntinubu stemmed from the belief that it was the goddess Osun who gave her the child from the depths of the river. Osuntinubu followed her mother alongside her brother to Abeokuta after the 1821 war that broke out in which several villages fell. Tinubu got married to an Owu man who she had two sons for. The young family moved to Abeokuta as well. Shortly after moving to Abeokuta, her husband and her mother died. Since she had learnt the rudiments of trading from her mother and grandmother she proceeded to fall back on the experience and started to collect leaves and barks of trees for her trade. Tinubu had the Midas touch, anything she touched turned to success and she began making sufficient money with the help of her father. During her cause for leaf collection, she met an Ifa priest who gave her some charms to use and told her she would become a wealthy person in due course. Tinubu became wealthy but she didn’t get the message that the charm would make her childless. She found herself an object of attraction to Prince Adele who was visiting Abeokuta on a goodwill visit in 1833. She was a widow then. She accepted the Prince’s hand in marriage and moved to Badagry. When leaving Abeokuta for Badagry she took her two sons with her. The two sons died while in Badagry from malaria; Badagry being so mosquito infested at that time. The charm prepared by the Ifa priest was later revealed to her as an unusual one. Thus, she was wealthy, but it was at the expense of child bearing which the Ifa priest did not disclose to her because not many people subject themselves to its use. Her marriage to Adele and her arrival in Badagry brought her to limelight of politics and commerce. Efunroye Tinubu came to Lagos for the first time when her husband Adele became Oba but his reign was brief because he died in 1837 without her bearing him any child. Her marriage to Adele and movement to Badagry brought her a relief. She started her trade from Abeokuta to Badagry which was mainly on foot then and she sold items like salt and tobacco. On arrival in Lagos in 1835 she engaged in trading in war items, this was also the period of slave trading. As a shrewd businesswoman, Madam Tinubu became the most important middleman in trade between Europeans and the Yorubaland interior by creating large trading networks. Her business manifested into land holdings on Lagos Island. She bought land from the then Oloto at Alakara, Asimowu stream on the South side and Idi Oro on the North side and it stretched to the present Papa Ajao, the land also includes the present Igbobi, Idi-Araba, Idi-oro, Alakara. Madam Tinubu became the first Iyalode of the Egba clan due to the financial empire she had built through trading in arms and salt. She is considered an important figure in West African history because of her political significance as a powerful female aristocrat of feudal Nigeria. She had her kolanut farm where the present Lagos University Teaching Hospital is built and it was later bought from the Tinubu family. At Abeokuta, she owned a large land in Ita-Iyalode (Iyalode plaza). Her commercial empire had become so successful that by the year 1855 she had few rivals among the traders in Lagos. She came into political limelight when Akintoye and Kosoko (Nephew and uncle) engaged in a battle struggling for the throne of Lagos where Madam Tinubu supplied Akintoye’s forces with arms and ammunition. Akintoye regained his throne on Thursday January 1, 1852. Tinubu was an active adversary of the British Colonial Government of what is now Nigeria. She became an active opponent to all slave trading, having realised the relative differences between domestic slaving and the inhumane treatment of slaves in Europe and the Americas. She enjoyed good health throughout her years in Badagry, Lagos and Abeokuta. There is no record of her having health problems. In the last quarter of 1887 she stopped attending meetings of the Alake and Council of Chiefs of which she was a member by virtue of being the Iyalode of Egbaland. In the year 1887 on the 1st of December, she was said to have fallen ill and in the afternoon of the following day she breathed her last. She was buried at her maternal compound at Ojokodo area in Abeokuta where her mother had been buried. The tales and exploits of the great Madam Tinubu still re-echos in Lagos, Abeokuta and Badagry till this present day. Her Statues in Lagos can be found at the Tinubu’s Square on the Lagos Island and also at the Tinubu square in Abeokuta. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 4:03am On Nov 30, 2015 |
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| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:09am On Nov 30, 2015 |
What did i miss? This weekend was filled with family activities..  |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 4:09am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Hmmmn I'd like to know who was more powerful between Efunroye and Efunsetan.Where is Eleko when we need him most? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 4:12am On Nov 30, 2015 |
modath: You didn't miss anything.We all got banned.Your sister Madam mignone represented you perfectly well. Infact one would think she's your twin sister due to the similarities in your comments.Thank you for inviting intelligent folks here.Not like Iya Agba that was inviting mwari mwaris from romance section |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:33am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Belmot: Why did you support my motion!!, should have allowed our bros to win his "emotional" argument nah..  Ajimobi wouldn't have returned if he had been in another party with the momentum APC had but our bros was mentioning luck, na dia i bin give up, a kan shaut! |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:48am On Nov 30, 2015 |
laudate: Venice & Amaterdam are old old cities that developed their waterways system before the advent of motor cars & only built on from that, so you are comparing apples & oranges & BTW black people and water don't mix well.. It is only those whose circumstances of birth put them right in the midst of water that evolved to being one with it, the ilajes, ijaws etc.... The reason many black people died in '05 hurricane katrina was cos folks couldn't swim.. & Laudate, you completely ignored the "where is the funds to go over water," question |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 5:07am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Ibebe: Iya Agba we missed you   .So you got banned as well? smh.Speaking of brothers,no be younger ooo.Elder brothers.Mii nu igbe eni kankan oo |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 5:13am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: lol thanks. I know na..... they probably used you as a leg stool  Usually they'll reference a post or thread, but in this case, they just reference rule #2. And what's even more funny is that they banned an ID I wasn't even using at that time period [for the same reason]. Sketchy. So when are you gonna gimme the 2 video game titles. I was at GameStop today, and I thought of you. |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 5:20am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Ibebe: Like I said, there's a strategic ploy to kill off this thread.How can 7 people get banned within the same period I skimmed through all my CabbieAC posts and I was looking for an offensive comment,I couldn't find.Interloper got banned same with Drmoffy,Shymm3x,CabbieAC and you as well.Make I no talkSpeaking of the games,when I'm ready, I'll tell you |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 5:25am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Understably that I may have broken rule #2 on another thread with my IlekeHD ID, but banning other IDs and another ID that I wasn't even using? lmaooo Pathetic. It's not even that serious......this is online for goodness sake. Sketchy azz mofos. When will you be ready? |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 5:27am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Hmmmn Seun is viewing the thread.Interesting! |
| Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ibebe: 5:28am On Nov 30, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: He can ban this ID too if he likes. Can you please capitalize the title of the thread as it was before? |
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