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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 4:55pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: The fact remains that he`s not the owner of the club and he cannot be spending anyhow. If he`s given such powers to buy any player irrespective of the price, then why wasn`t he buying then? There`s no coach that doesn`t like to buy the best players if given such unrestricted powers as you`ve said. However, money isn`t everything. Why has Madrid not won more than one UCL since i think2002 after spending so much to get the best season in season out? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:55pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Jaap Stam Rio Ferdinand Veron Wayne Rooney Berbatov Yorke Pallister Were all some form of record transfers |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:56pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: To me UCL semi final is not an easy achievement. Before Premier League was rebranded in 1992, it was far below Seria A, Laliga, Netherland, French and Belgium league in terms of bringing/attracting foreign players. If we look at things from that angle, we could see that English teams were just to complete the numbers between 1986 and and mid 1990s when SAF just took over. Considering the kind of qualities such teams like Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Juventus, Ajax, etc already had in foreign players. SAF even took over a team that was relegation haunted in a league that was not opened to foreign players. It was always going to take time to build a team that could compete with the European quality sides with world best stars. ........... FOREIGN PLAYERS At the inception of the Premier League in 1992/93, just 11 players named in the starting line-ups for the first round of matches were 'foreign' (players hailing from outside of the United Kingdom or Republic ofIreland). By 2000/01, the number of foreign players participating in the Premier League was 36 per cent. In the 2004/05 season the figure had increased to 45 per cent. On December 26, 1999, Chelsea became the first Premier League side to field an entirely foreign starting line-up, and on February 14, 2005, Arsenal were the first to name a completely foreign 16-man squad for a match. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:56pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: How many of the coaches you know have spent 26yrs coaching not to talk of in 1 club where you are the Lord and master |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 4:59pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
ollah1: Please, define local champion for me. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 5:02pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
tess1: Local champion: Sir Alex Ferguson aka Mr Tomato face |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:05pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I will try to respond to this much later tonight. I haven't the answers readily available and I am busy now. But what you always forget is the circumstances surrounding SAF building United in his early years. Where he picked the team from. Then how he gradually built it to be strongest in England, then how he gradually pushed the team to be able to compete with star studded teams like AC Milan, Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona which had the best legs from South America, Europe and Africa. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:05pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
elampiro: These are weak excuses or non excuses EVERY team in Europe had a maximum number of foreigners you could use not just Man Utd. Pre Bosman era. All teams in Europe couldnt have more than 3 foreigners in their starting 11 For example in the 1993 and 1994 CL final all finalists had not more than 3 foreigners in their team By 1999 CL final Man Utd had 6 foreigners while their opponent Bayern had just 1 So come up with another excuse of why Ferguson made only 7 semi finals And in those days if you are from a football power(Spain, Italy germany England France) making the quarter and semi was easy because 1. Only 1 and later 2 teams came from each country 2. You are from a football superpower 3. There wernt many countries in Europe then Yugolslavia was 1 country same with USSR Czeckolovakia) Assuming now the rule was in effect that means the CL would only have Barca, Bayern, Juve, PSG, Zenit, PSV, Benfica and Chelsea plus those 3rd world football nations like Hungary. Now tell me how its a difficult task to make the quarter final in this lineup |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:06pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
ollah1: Now this guy sounds like 1025. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:08pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
tess1: Actually Ferguson was given the powers and he was buying He broke transfer records multiple times. Players like Rooney, Pallister, Stam, Ferdinand, Veron Yorke were all record transfers Madrid has been changing coaches. if they had just 1 coach like man Utd then they could have won more than 2 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:15pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Hitzfield spent 25yrs, Juup Heynkes spent 34 yrs coaching club careers. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:16pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I am not talking about the number of foreigners featured in a team. I am talking about welcoming of foreigners to a league which ultimately affected the standard of the league. English league was not welcoming to foreign players until mid or late 1990s. Compare that with Laliga and Serie A. I will be back much later, hopefully. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 5:17pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter:let's wait then until a coach wins it thrice in a particular club. Don't know why they keep moving or it's hard for them to maintain the success for a longer time and choose to leave when the ovation is high. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:18pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
tess1: How many years did Ferguson spend coaching? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:19pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: You know he earned that privilege. Ancelotti,Del bosque,Pep,jose,Jupp off my head (forgot some names) this are different managers with mutiple UCL win is their any of them aside from Jose that won with a weak squad or poor squad. Is their any amount of money that we could've spent that will save those barcelona teams froming handing us our arse twice ? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:19pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
chrisley024: Some coaches work in a highly challenging environment where they are required to deliver every season unlike Ferguson You would agree its difficult to adjust to new players every few years compared to where you can have a team undisturbed for 20 yrs |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:21pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: So did Ferguson win the CL with a weak squad? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:22pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
chrisley024:They can't because maintain that level of sucess as long as he did is almost impossible. If you are lucky to find that once in a lifetime guy you lock him up forever see Del Bosque for spain. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:30pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter:No he didn't,but non of the coach I mentioned above won with a weak squad either. So stop harping about this money argument |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:35pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
elampiro: Since its the teams that make a league then how is foreigners in a team different from foreigners in a league In those Italian teams of the early 90 their teams are mainly Italians because there is a limit on the number of Italians you can field E.g Lets take 1991 very early in the 90's In 1991 Leed won the English league they had 8 foreigners, AC Milan won Serie A they had just 3 foreigners, Barcelona won La Liga had 4 foreigners, Stuttgart won the Bundesliga they had 3 foreigners So tell me how it was the English league that was particularly not welcoming to foreigners |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dongorgon5(m): 5:35pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
These people think UEFA Champions league is easy like Principal cup. I Laugh in Ijesa ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:36pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: What success did he maintain? For the first decade he didnt make the CL final, after that 1999 he didnt make it again for another 9yrs? So what success exactly? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:37pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: He had money to spend and he spent it. I have given you a list of record transfers Ferguson made as coach of Man utd. How many coaches have that luxury? or being guaranteed of your job even when you fail |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:44pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
ollah1:You can`t even define what you are saying. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:47pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter:His domestic sucess don't count for nothing ? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 5:52pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
ollah1: Mr. Man calm d fvck down! Fergie was a proven coach and a winner before he came to United. He broke the old firm dominance in Scotland winning 11 Tittles consisting of 3 league titles, Uefa cup winners cup now known as the Europa Cup and Uefa Super Cup. When he came to United in 1986 the likes of Barcelona, AC Milan, Real Madrid, Ajax, Bayern etc. were richer and could attract the best players. It was Fergie's on field success and the rebranding of the Premier league in 1992 that made United one of the richest clubs in the world. Make una nor disrespect Fergie o |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:55pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I`m still maintaining that he wasn`t given such powers to buy any players that he wanted at any price. If he had such powers, why then did he sell Ronaldo for over £80mil and bought Valencia as his replacement? Why didn`t he spent the whole money on big players? All those players you mentioned were once in a while signings. Why didn`t he buy 3 or 4 of such players in a season? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:58pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: Then this assertion would lend more credence to the Local champion jab you are trying to avoid from ollah1 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:00pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
tess1: To buy a player a coach must first like the player The selling club must be willing to sell And the player willing to come Once in a while is breaking transfer records over 5 times. All coaches would wish they were able to break the record willy nilly ROnaldo left because he dreamt of playing in madrid. There was no money Madrid paid that Man Utd cant afford Ferguson sold Ronaldo because he didnt want to keep an unhappy player |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:00pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
olabode89: Ahh Bode How far na? Jambody Lukaku keeps scoring against these second tier opposoition o... Whats up with Martial...how many goals has he scored since? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 6:08pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Nihilist: Hahaha.....paadi Messi will struggle in Van Boring's system and 'filosofi' I mentioned then that Lukaku's jambody system can be effective... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 6:08pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
elampiro: Not so sure about this... That Inter Milan side that won the UCL that year - the team na diee!! Toldo - Samuel - Sneijder - Eto.. The spine of the team was rock solid. Sneijder was even the best player in the world that season (another argument for another day). Maicon, Cambaisso, the versatile Chivu, the free scoring Diego Milito....Lawd - Mourihno had a set of warriors/champions/merceneries at his disposal. That team perfectly suited Mourihno's "battle mode" mentality |
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