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Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 6:52pm On Dec 04, 2015
Iraq's regional Kurdish government rejects Russian allegations that Turkey is buying oil from ISIL militant group

The Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) on Thursday denied recent claims by the Russian Defense Ministry that the ISIL militant group was selling oil to Turkey.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency, KRG spokesman Safeen Dizayi dismissed Russian allegations that ISIL was selling oil to Turkey through the Kurdish region.

He went on to stress that Kurdish Peshmerga forces were on the frontlines in the fight against ISIL.

Serko Cevdet, head of the KRG’s energy commission, for his part, told Anadolu Agency that recently published Russian satellite images showed tankers carrying oil from the Kurdish region to Turkey’s Port of Ceyhan.

On Wednesday, Russian Defense Ministry officials published the images, which, they claimed, showed tanker trucks transporting oil from ISIL-controlled installations in Syria and Iraq to Turkey.

According to Cevdet, however, it is impossible to transport oil from the ISIL-held areas to Turkey via the Kurdish region.

"The KRG exports its oil via pipelines and tankers to Turkey for sale to buyers around the world," he said. "The Russian satellite images showed these tankers."

"Russia has no proof of any oil transactions between Turkey, the Kurdish region and ISIL," he added.

Tension has mounted between Ankara and Moscow since Nov. 24, when Turkey shot down a Russian a warplane -- in line with standard rules of engagement -- that had violated its airspace.

Since then, Moscow has imposed a series of economic sanctions on Turkey, while Russian President Vladimir Putin has alleged that Turkey was buying oil from ISIL.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, meanwhile, has challenged Putin’s claims, vowing to step down if the Russian allegations were proven and calling on Putin to do the same if they were proven to be false.

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 6:53pm On Dec 04, 2015
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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 6:54pm On Dec 04, 2015
Putin relies on lies and propaganda as the key strategy in his foreign policy, if only Turkey did not shoot down the Russia flight. Putin persona as a strongman would still be intact grin grin grin

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by praxisnetworks: 7:23pm On Dec 04, 2015
vedaxcool:
Putin relies on lies and propaganda as the key strategy in his foreign policy, if only Turkey did not shoot down the Russia flight. Putin persona as a strongman would still be intact grin grin grin
No wonder you're slow

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 8:06pm On Dec 04, 2015
praxisnetworks:

No wonder I am slow

cool
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by praxisnetworks: 9:48pm On Dec 04, 2015
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by adebisiema(m): 10:01pm On Dec 04, 2015
vedaxcool:
Iraq's regional Kurdish government rejects Russian allegations that Turkey is buying oil from ISIL militant group

The Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) on Thursday denied recent claims by the Russian Defense Ministry that the ISIL militant group was selling oil to Turkey.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency, KRG spokesman Safeen Dizayi dismissed Russian allegations that ISIL was selling oil to Turkey through the Kurdish region.

He went on to stress that Kurdish Peshmerga forces were on the frontlines in the fight against ISIL.

Serko Cevdet, head of the KRG’s energy commission, for his part, told Anadolu Agency that recently published Russian satellite images showed tankers carrying oil from the Kurdish region to Turkey’s Port of Ceyhan.

On Wednesday, Russian Defense Ministry officials published the images, which, they claimed, showed tanker trucks transporting oil from ISIL-controlled installations in Syria and Iraq to Turkey.

According to Cevdet, however, it is impossible to transport oil from the ISIL-held areas to Turkey via the Kurdish region.

"The KRG exports its oil via pipelines and tankers to Turkey for sale to buyers around the world," he said. "The Russian satellite images showed these tankers."

[b]Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, meanwhile, has challenged Putin’s claims, vowing to step down if the Russian allegations were proven and calling on Putin to do the same if they were proven to be false. [/quote]


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they want putin to step down so they can continue their impunity.

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 10:07pm On Dec 04, 2015
^

Putin should desist from lying so that no one will feel oblige to challenge him to bring facts to table.

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Missy89(f): 10:10pm On Dec 04, 2015
vedaxcool:
^

Putin should desist from lying so that no one will feel oblige to challenge him to bring facts to table.

Russia and lies be like Ying Yang

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 6:31pm On Dec 05, 2015
Missy89:


Russia and lies be like Ying Yang

But the Russia hasbara trolls believe oga Putin is God sent and above telling lies. Even Putin would call them sore lossers!
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 9:09pm On Dec 05, 2015
Missy89:


Russia and lies be like Ying Yang
The same kurds that are against the Syrian/Turkish border closure? Am not surprise... grin i laf in Swahili..
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Missy89(f): 10:08pm On Dec 05, 2015
Appleyard:
The same kurds that are against the Syrian/Turkish border closure? Am not surprise... grin i laf in Swahili..

Are you saying the Kurds are in bed with Turkey?

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 12:47pm On Dec 07, 2015
Missy89:


Are you saying the Kurds are in bed with Turkey?
Not really. But one thing i have come to realize is that, there seem to be be alot of personal, factional/group interests dictating much of the play in this whole scenario, rather than much of the collective interest in realizing generally stated objectives. If not, how on earth should the same kurds who have been pumelled right, left and centre both by ISIS and majorly by Turkish proxies via the influx of huge amount of weaponry and personel through the Turkish-Syrian corridor, now been presented with an opportunity to hieve a sigh of relief and possibly turn the tide a bit in their favour, suddenly are the ones that are against it closure? Why? Something is definitly not right somewhere: and like they say, war, however dirty, is really a profitable business. This is the largest ethnic group (if am not mistaken) in the world, yet with no country of their own (lips sealed: not insinuating anything..).
The Russians have dealt a massive blow to ISIS and to its partners in crime in illicit oil dealings, and no amount of propaganda or rhetorical excupatory stance base on group, factional or a certain nation's interest and ideology, can change that. This much is true, base on the insane reaction we have seen from the other side of the fence, struck with frustration and excruciating pain from the Bear's wrath of Jah aerial bombardment, which have been so successful that he Government of Afghanistan is now begging Russia to come and help fight the Talibans -- just another example of American epic failure in foreign policy.

If this rebuttal was coming from Bagdad itself, it would have been substantial and considerable enough. But coming from the KRG is like Eric Donaldson's '' coming in from the cold.'' And it will interest you to know that the same kurds who once admitted that some US special Ops are fighting alongside them against ISIS, have said that the US is hindering their success against ISIS, and they have vowed to attack US forces if the US deploy ground troops to Iraq.

So far, the only people i know that are overwhelmingly and passionately figting this bunch of Takfiris, hell-bound sons of Cain, are those in Bagdad, Damascus, and Moscow.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by NairaMinted: 1:08pm On Dec 07, 2015
My understanding is that this Kurdish rebel group, KRG - if I indeed got the name right - is allied with Turkey. Their goals are different from that of the YPG and PKK.

This is the same rebel group that Turkey is supposedly training in Iraq that the Iraqi government has vigorously protested about.

At the end of the day, like you said, there are several players in this whole mess, each with his own selfish goals and hidden agendas.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 3:26pm On Dec 07, 2015
Exactly my point.. Whole lot of groups selfish interest.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by ValerianSteel(m): 5:13pm On Dec 07, 2015
This is another group calling Russia out for its bluff.

It appears Russia just learnt how to manipulate information and create propaganda.They've dished out too many lies lately and some bandwagon of dollophead lovers would defend and uphold this propaganda as the truth,it beats me to wonder if they are being paid secretly by Russia undecided

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Missy89(f): 5:15pm On Dec 07, 2015
Appleyard:
Not really. But one thing i have come to realize is that, there seem to be be alot of personal, factional/group interests dictating much of the play in this whole scenario, rather than much of the collective interest in realizing generally stated objectives. If not, how on earth should the same kurds who have been pumelled right, left and centre both by ISIS and majorly by Turkish proxies via the influx of huge amount of weaponry and personel through the Turkish-Syrian corridor, now been presented with an opportunity to hieve a sigh of relief and possibly turn the tide a bit in their favour, suddenly are the ones that are against it closure? Why? Something is definitly not right somewhere: and like they say, war, however dirty, is really a profitable business. This is the largest ethnic group (if am not mistaken) in the world, yet with no country of their own (lips sealed: not insinuating anything..).
[b]The Russians have dealt a massive blow to ISIS and to its partners in crime in illicit oil dealings, and no amount of propaganda or rhetorical excupatory stance base on group, factional or a certain nation's interest and ideology, can change that. [/b]This much is true, base on the insane reaction we have seen from the other side of the fence, struck with frustration and excruciating pain from the Bear's wrath of Jah aerial bombardment, which have been so successful that he Government of Afghanistan is now begging Russia to come and help fight the Talibans -- just another example of American epic failure in foreign policy.

If this rebuttal was coming from Bagdad itself, it would have been substantial and considerable enough. But coming from the KRG is like Eric Donaldson's '' coming in from the cold.'' And it will interest you to know that the same kurds who once admitted that some US special Ops are fighting alongside them against ISIS, have said that the US is hindering their success against ISIS, and they have vowed to attack US forces if the US deploy ground troops to Iraq.

So far, the only people i know that are overwhelmingly and passionately figting this bunch of Takfiris, hell-bound sons of Cain, are those in Bagdad, Damascus, and Moscow.


What is your take on the Russian bank and business men helping Syria to trade IS oil?

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by vedaxcool(m): 7:33pm On Dec 07, 2015
ValerianSteel:
This is another group calling Russia out for its bluff.

It appears Russia just learnt how to manipulate information and create propaganda.They've dished out too many lies lately and some bandwagon of dollophead lovers would defend and uphold this propaganda as the truth,it beats me to wonder if they are being paid secretly by Russia undecided

Russia is beginning to behave like the natzi when it comes to lies and propaganda. Imagine accusing the head of another country of oil smuggling without a shred of evidence and yet its bots without any iota of reasoning peddle this rubbish. Russia simply showed trucks the Kurdish govt use in selling oil to the Turks as it evidence. These silly Russian hasbara trolls have 2 options 1. Claim turkey and the Kurdish govt are in bed with isis 2. Claim it is lie.

Since these trolls believe putin is God sent, the liar and criminal stocking problems in Ukraine while supporting a murderer and destroyer, they will peddle his lies as divine exhortation.

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by ValerianSteel(m): 9:29pm On Dec 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Russia is beginning to behave like the natzi when it comes to lies and propaganda. Imagine accusing the head of another country of oil smuggling without a shred of evidence and yet its bots without any iota of reasoning peddle this rubbish. Russia simply showed trucks the Kurdish govt use in selling oil to the Turks as it evidence. These silly Russian hasbara trolls have 2 options 1. Claim turkey and the Kurdish govt are in bed with isis 2. Claim it is lie.

Since these trolls believe putin is God sent, the liar and criminal stocking problems in Ukraine while supporting a murderer and destroyer, they will peddle his lies as divine exhortation.
They accuse Turkey of oil smuggling while their own Oligarchs in St Petersburg are masters at even more dirty and shady acts.It would be hard for them to accuse the Kurds of being in business with ISIS,cause the Kurds are not tolerant to ISIS.

I still await the evidence Russia wants to give the world except its frabicated,which I know they are capable of undecided grin

Of course the same trolls will be back to sing Psalms and Songs of Praise to their Hallowed Putin grin grin
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by NairaMinted2: 12:25am On Dec 08, 2015
Turkish planes violate Greek and Syrian airspace with abandon.

Turkish troops are presently in Iraqi territory uninvited.

Not a word from the pro-Turkish bandwagon!


Fact is, Russia has provided satellite imagery of the massive oil smuggling exercise from stolen Syrian and Iraqi crude oil overseen and enabled by member of the Turkish government, yet these images have been waved aside as "fabrications"


Members of the Turkish press, parliament and military are being jailed or silenced for outing the complicity of the Turkish government and/or refusing to follow orders and yet these are waved aside also as irrelevant events. These arrested individuals we must accept are paid Russian trolls or bots just like the rest of the hope.less bots we find aplenty here on Nairaland. They are just "making mouth" with no shred of evidence that Turkish goverment is complict in this conspiracy.

Several Western (British, American, German, etc) news media have carried these reports of the massive oil trade being carried out across the Turkish border and how the Turkish border guards look away or allow their posts to be thinly manned but these are disregard as unfounded rumours and Russian propaganda. As a matter of fact, Turkish soldiers have been videod at the border fratenizing with ISIS foot soldiers but we gotta assume that these must be some sorta Russian voodoo trick.

A reporter, Serena Shim has mysteriously died while reporting on the illict trade between ISIS and the Turkish government. What's more, the investigation (or lack thereof) of her death has been beset by secrecy and intimidation but hey, who gives a hoot! This is the Turkish government we are talking about here; vetted and protected by NATO enagaged in a noble war against the "Russian aggressor"

The US VIce president himself has accused the Turkish government has far back as 2014 of aiding and abetting Islamic fundamentalists but hey, we should pay
no attention to that raging lun.a.tic who undoubtedly suffers bouts of dementia.

At the end of the day:

TURKEY = GOOD

RUSSIA = BAD


No matter what!

Ok na!
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 12:24pm On Dec 08, 2015
Missy89:


What is your take on the Russian bank and business men helping Syria to trade IS oil?
Which of the Russian bank and businessmen? Roll them out.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 2:05pm On Dec 08, 2015
NairaMinted2:
Turkish planes violate Greek and Syrian airspace with abandon.

Turkish troops are presently in Iraqi territory uninvited.

Not a word from the pro-Turkish bandwagon!


Fact is, Russia has provided satellite imagery of the massive oil smuggling exercise from stolen Syrian and Iraqi crude oil overseen and enabled by member of the Turkish government, yet these images have been waved aside as "fabrications"


Members of the Turkish press, parliament and military are being jailed or silenced for outing the complicity of the Turkish government and/or refusing to follow orders and yet these are waved aside also as irrelevant events. These arrested individuals we must accept are paid Russian trolls or bots just like the rest of the hope.less bots we find aplenty here on Nairaland. They are just "making mouth" with no shred of evidence that Turkish goverment is complict in this conspiracy.

Several Western (British, American, German, etc) news media have carried these reports of the massive oil trade being carried out across the Turkish border and how the Turkish border guards look away or allow their posts to be thinly manned but these are disregard as unfounded rumours and Russian propaganda. As a matter of fact, Turkish soldiers have been videod at the border fratenizing with ISIS foot soldiers but we gotta assume that these must be some sorta Russian voodoo trick.

A reporter, Serena Shim has mysteriously died while reporting on the illict trade between ISIS and the Turkish government. What's more, the investigation (or lack thereof) of her death has been beset by secrecy and intimidation but hey, who gives a hoot! This is the Turkish government we are talking about here; vetted and protected by NATO enagaged in a noble war against the "Russian aggressor"

The US VIce president himself has accused the Turkish government has far back as 2014 of aiding and abetting Islamic fundamentalists but hey, we should pay
no attention to that raging lun.a.tic who undoubtedly suffers bouts of dementia.

At the end of the day:

TURKEY = GOOD

RUSSIA = BAD


No matter what!

Ok na!
Yeah, just as US congressional woman, Tulsi Gabbard, her counterpart, Austin Scot, and Senator Richard Black, that went publicly on air with CNN and lambasted Turkey and the CIA on the same issue, are all ''Russian trolls'' and ''propagandist,'' so says some hypnotized gentlemen of nairaland, whom, with the exemption of the likes of Mazeltov, Miss89 et tal, cant sieve facts from fallacy, using basic common sense in a given situation. And when they start a discourse, you see the kiddie in them by their use of gutter language, while basking in their warped deusional euphorial of ''authenticity,'' because to them,there ''Must'' be no cross-examination, even if it is coming from their own section of the stands, like the lofty examples you have cited. Such is the nature of those with an ''absolute'' mindset.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by mazeltov(m): 3:21pm On Dec 08, 2015
Appleyard:
Yeah, just as US congressional woman, Tulsi Gabbard, her counterpart, Austin Scot, and Senator Richard Black, that went publicly on air with CNN and lambasted Turkey and the CIA on the same issue, are all ''Russian trolls'' and ''propagandist,'' so says some hypnotized gentlemen of nairaland, whom, with the exemption of the likes of Mazeltov, Miss89 et tal, cant sieve facts from fallacy, using basic common sense in a given situation. And when they start a discourse, you see the kiddie in them by their use of gutter language, while basking in their warped deusional euphorial of ''authenticity,'' because to them,there ''Must'' be no cross-examination, even if it is coming from their own section of the stands, like the lofty examples you have cited. Such is the nature of those with an ''absolute'' mindset.
what evidence do we need again? There are so many proofs which have been publicised as regards to this isis and their funder. I have never for once argue about the romantic relationship between Turkey/west and IsIs. My posts are there for confirmation. Even America has divided over this same issue of the Islamist - but in all fairness of truth and modesty, these people won't stop using Isis as their remoted military puppet to pave ways for their interest in the gulf states and middle east until they strike back. Sometime, a dog could bite its owner - and that's why I hardly engage myself in that section of conversation ; and the way I am seeing it, it seems Turkey's interest in this isis is wider than that of America, Turkey have gone a long way in flaunting that interest to world. I am waiting for the day Isis will attack America and that's when you will see that the war is nearer than before.

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Missy89(f): 7:19pm On Dec 08, 2015
Appleyard : Which of the Russian bank and businessmen? Roll them out.

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov owner of Russian Financial Alliance Bank

George Haswani (Syrian Russian) owner of HESCO Engineering and Construction Company

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/04/russia-s-isis-money-men-exposed.html

https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl0287.aspx

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Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 8:10pm On Dec 08, 2015
mazeltov:
what evidence do we need again? There are so many proofs which have been publicised as regards to this isis and their funder. I have never for once argue about the romantic relationship between Turkey/west and IsIs. My posts are there for confirmation. Even America has divided over this same issue of the Islamist - but in all fairness of truth and modesty, these people won't stop using Isis as their remoted military puppet to pave ways for their interest in the gulf states and middle east until they strike back. Sometime, a dog could bite its owner - and that's why I hardly engage myself in that section of conversation ; and the way I am seeing it, it seems Turkey's interest in this isis is wider than that of America, Turkey have gone a long way in flaunting that interest to world. I am waiting for the day Isis will attack America and that's when you will see that the war is nearer than before.
So much sense, so much sense, so much sense. Infact, i am seriously considering leaving this section for a while because the way some people show lack of common sense, is very sad and pathetic to behold. Can you immagine that somebody here was rejoicing when people got killed in that terrorist attack over the skies of Egypt, simply because he hate their president? Man is in deed, a wonderful creature. As touching the use of ISIS as a front by some states to achieve their selfish objectives and personal interest, when that process will backfire, then they would remember that what goes around, always come round. Just that we might not have an opportunity to regret it all, because, as more and more major powers continue to converge over the Syrian skies, unintended miscalculation may occur, which may further lead to intended consequencies, reactions against reactions, and then BOOM!!...a major conflagaration erupt, and the only winners (even though they won't be around to sun their murderous teeth) would be the likes of ISIS and the rest of the Satanist, because they never care much about this life, so to speak. For we are gradually playing into the hands of Alois Irlmaier's prophecy.. Pls, check it out and watch Syria, Turkey, Iraq, etc, and the Balkans..

Man is a failed project.


http://www.messagetoeagle.com/alois-irlmaiers-scary-prophecy-about-world-war-iii/
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 9:29pm On Dec 08, 2015
Missy89:
Appleyard : Which of the Russian bank and businessmen? Roll them out.


grin grin Laugh wan finish me o, Missy. Now, i did say and still maintain that alot of group/factional and individual interest are very much involve in all these takfiris oil hullabaloo, and if Haswani (who is not even a Russian per se, though a citizen nonetheless) is fingered as one of such individuals, it only confirms my fears. But saying that Assad is in bed with ISIS, the same terrorist organization that has turn his country into a heap of rubble, and want his head on a plate of grenades, is outright rubbish, senseless, and totally baseless. So, Assad brought in Russia to fight and defeat in the open the same people he is in bed with? Common, Turkey can do better. And the worst part is that, Russia as a state is supposely complicit in this, when it is no secret that oil prices as they are1. Is hurting the Russians so much, and this ISIS illegal oil trading is another contributive factor to that effect, for which, coupled with the ''pipeline tussle'', forms the onion that dictated the always unavoidable Russian intervention? This , save for the individual. part, renders this dailybeast or mail theorem useless.

We are talking of state sponsoring terrorism here, and the most outstanding one so far is Turkey. Even the Iraqi Prime Minister just said the same thing. This ISIS dealing go far beyond any single individual. It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

I will check that second link soon and reply later on.

And that lluyazhadenov side rolling with UFOs is a rib cracker. Maybe the man wants to sell crude oil to aliens afterall.,
grin grin
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Missy89(f): 9:35pm On Dec 08, 2015
Appleyard:
grin grin Laugh wan finish me o, Missy. Now, i did say and still maintain that alot of group/factional and individual interest are very much involve in all these takfiris oil hullabaloo, and if Haswani (who is not even a Russian per se, though a citizen nonetheless) is fingered as one of such individuals, it only confirms my fears. But saying that Assad is in bed with ISIS, the same terrorist organization that has turn his country into a heap of rubble, and want his head on a plate of grenades, is outright rubbish, senseless, and totally baseless. So, Assad brought in Russia to fight and defeat in the open the same people he is in bed with? Common, Turkey can do better. And the worst part is that, Russia as a state is supposely complicit in this, when it is no secret that oil prices as they are1. Is hurting the Russians so much, and this ISIS illegal oil trading is another contributive factor to that effect, for which, coupled with the ''pipeline tussle'', forms the onion that dictated the always unavoidable Russian intervention? This , save for the individual. part, renders this dailybeast or mail theorem useless.

We are talking of state sponsoring terrorism here, and the most outstanding one so far is Turkey. Even the Iraqi Prime Minister just said the same thing. This ISIS dealing go far beyond any single individual. It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

I will check that second link soon and reply later on.

And that lluyazhadenov side rolling with UFOs is a rib cracker. Maybe the man wants to sell crude oil to aliens afterall.,
grin grin

Lol is this the best you can do? Ehen Appleyard? shocked
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by Appleyard(m): 9:48pm On Dec 08, 2015
Missy89:


Lol is this the best you can do? Ehen Appleyard? shocked
What do want me to say na....H6w can a man fighting for his life at the same time be in bed with the same people that wants to kill him? Am short of words.....
Well, i will come back to this later.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by ValerianSteel(m): 11:21pm On Dec 08, 2015
Appleyard:
So much sense, so much sense, so much sense. Infact, i am seriously considering leaving this section for a while because the way some people show lack of common sense, is very sad and pathetic to behold.Can you immagine that somebody here was rejoicing when people got killed in that terrorist attack over the skies of Egypt, simply because he hate their president? Man is in deed, a wonderful creature. As touching the use of ISIS as a front by some states to achieve their selfish objectives and personal interest, when that process will backfire, then they would remember that what goes around, always come round. Just that we might not have an opportunity to regret it all, because, as more and more major powers continue to converge over the Syrian skies, unintended miscalculation may occur, which may further lead to intended consequencies, reactions against reactions, and then BOOM!!...a major conflagaration erupt, and the only winners (even though they won't be around to sun their murderous teeth) would be the likes of ISIS and the rest of the Satanist, because they never care much about this life, so to speak. For we are gradually playing into the hands of Alois Irlmaier's prophecy.. Pls, check it out and watch Syria, Turkey, Iraq, etc, and the Balkans..

Man is a failed project.


http://www.messagetoeagle.com/alois-irlmaiers-scary-prophecy-about-world-war-iii/
I see you bro,manipulating the truth does not give your opinion approval here.I won't stress further undecided

You claim some people lack common sense whereas that common sense has not been readily available to some people here as well undecided
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by ValerianSteel(m): 11:39pm On Dec 08, 2015
Appleyard:
grin grin Laugh wan finish me o, Missy. Now, i did say and still maintain that alot of group/factional and individual interest are very much involve in all these takfiris oil hullabaloo, and if Haswani (who is not even a Russian per se, though a citizen nonetheless) is fingered as one of such individuals, it only confirms my fears. But saying that Assad is in bed with ISIS, the same terrorist organization that has turn his country into a heap of rubble , and want his head on a plate of grenades, is outright rubbish, senseless, and totally baseless. So, Assad brought in Russia to fight and defeat in the open the same people he is in bed with? Common, Turkey can do better. And the worst part is that, Russia as a state is supposely complicit in this, when it is no secret that oil prices as they are1. Is hurting the Russians so much, and this ISIS illegal oil trading is another contributive factor to that effect, for which, coupled with the ''pipeline tussle'', forms the onion that dictated the always unavoidable Russian intervention? This , save for the individual. part, renders this dailybeast or mail theorem useless.

We are talking of state sponsoring terrorism here, and the most outstanding one so far is Turkey. Even the Iraqi Prime Minister just said the same thing. This ISIS dealing go far beyond any single individual. It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

I will check that second link soon and reply later on.

And that lluyazhadenov side rolling with UFOs is a rib cracker. Maybe the man wants to sell crude oil to aliens afterall.,
grin grin
Oh God,just stop it.

Assad turned his country into rubles,cause the Syrian civil war started in 2011,while ISIL became fully operational in 2014,though they emerged in 2013.

ISIS is just an excuse to keep Assad in power,cause his country was already torn apart prior to ISIS activities.

You keep accusing Turkey of this and that,yet there's no substantial evidence to point accusing fingers.Mind you I've never called Turkey a saint in the war against ISIS,I wouldn't call Russia a savior either,am just saying let there be evidence that clearly shows that Turkey is in bed with ISIS and other terrorist element.

As you said yourself :It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

And I add- not limited to Turkey alone,but cut across those claiming to be fighting ISIS as well.
Re: Iraqi Kurds Dismiss Russian Claims Of ISIL Oil Sales by NairaMinted: 7:28am On Dec 09, 2015
ValerianSteel:
Oh God,just stop it.

Assad turned his country into rubles,cause the Syrian civil war started in 2011,while ISIL became fully operational in 2014,though they emerged in 2013.

ISIS is just an excuse to keep Assad in power,cause his country was already torn apart prior to ISIS activities.

You keep accusing Turkey of this and that,yet there's no substantial evidence to point accusing fingers.Mind you I've never called Turkey a saint in the war against ISIS,I wouldn't call Russia a savior either,am just saying let there be evidence that clearly shows that Turkey is in bed with ISIS and other terrorist element.

As you said yourself :It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

And I add- not limited to Turkey alone,but cut across those claiming to be fighting ISIS as well.

Apart from bombing the crap out of #Libya via #NATO the British planned the war with Syria in 2009 2 yrs before the "Arab Spring" using “moderate” terrorists. Think Al Qaeda aka “The Database.”

In a live TV interview the Ex French Foreign Minister, Roland Dumas, reveals all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY


You are welcome! grin

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New Yorker 2007: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

"To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."

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