DerideGull:


You are totally oblivious to the type of politics played in Nigeria. Amaechi's Rivers State will be refunded by the partial federal government but Obiano's Anambra State will not be refunded. The idiotic federal government of Nigeria has no reason to derelict on its duties.

DerideGull:



It defies any form of logic that state with 23 LGCS receives three times of more federal allocation than a with 27LGCS yet you have the audacity to mouth off on southeastern states on performance or lack thereof. Nigeria is very illogical and its disintegration can, at least, bring some forms of logicalities to that part of the world.

TheGoodJoe:



See my earlier comment and you will get my point.


I am saying a protest against the massive looting by their politicians will yield to more development than a massive protest for Biafra.

Look at Amechi's tenure in Rivers State and the massive infrastructural development.

Show me a governor in the east that did ten percent of what Amaechi did for Rivers State. Or are you saying your Governors did not get up to ten percent of Rivers Allocation?

Afam4eva:

Comparing Amaechi and Igbo governor, is just another waste of time. Apart from the fact that you're not forthcoming with any proof, we're really going off tangent because like I said, the protest is bigger than the performance of their governors. I don't see how Se governors are worse than governors from other places. So, it's not like other places have turned to Eldorado while Igboland is lagging. The issue is the maltreatment of Igbos by the Federal government. Let's narrow it to that.

TheGoodJoe:


Which one do you want to see? I thought someone showed you a facebook page of different schools built by Amaechi.

Oya, let me show the picture of Golf Estate Port Harcourt.

bloodyBLOGGER:
don't mind them. They prefer to blame others for their woes while the main culprit is going scot-free. It's the same attitude we see when an ibo man prefers to blame a yoruba man for his woes when he could easily figure out that he's the architect of his woes.

Imagine Imo state just building its first flyover when akute, a community in ogun state, has about 4 under construction. Go to other areas in ogun state and see more flyovers in construction. Now, can we say they are FG projects or they get FG support? No.

I never knew amaechi built such an estate.

TheGoodJoe:


Amaechi does not talk about his achievements that is why people talk bad about him. Below are two mega hospitals he built that ran free health care programs in the state.

The first one is New Niger Hospital and the second is Maxillofacial dental Hospital at Garrison Port Harcourt.

drshrewd:

[b]nigga I don't think you've been to PH beforeif not you would not have been typing badadash

you said:
"As much as infrastructure is needed to boost education, infrastructure does not "educate". People and institutions do. We have learnt that institutions develop society, not buildings, not the whole chimichaga you attribute to Amaechi as achievements"

since you do not reside in Rivers state I will obliged to educate you. Amaechi made a radical and holistic revolution in the education sector. he did not only built hundreds of second to non public schools in the country but he also employed and trained over 13,000 teachers :o____can you beat that. even the then FG never employed as much in its entire dispensation. check out the job section of Nairaland you will find out that the thread about that massive employment is the only public employment thread that has been alive for over three years now. check it out here https://www.nairaland.com/1023351/rivers-state-teachers-recruitment-2012 this is not propaganda you will find over 600,000 posts of benefitiaries____These were previously poor unemployed graduates. Amaechi hardly advertise his achievement and most of his achievements are even mostly under reported. and hey, don't expect immediate results as these is wholistic revamping of the state's educational sector that took several years to complete and just materialize barely two years ago when the best of infrastructure met the best of brain. just watch out for Rivers State in the next 5 to 8yrs

you also said:

"Amaechi did not bring development to Rivers State because he began killing all the institutions there. He succeeded in killing the judiciary. The healthcare sector was dying too, because he instituted free healthcare for everyone, and then refused to fund it. Months into the programme, the whole scheme collapsed. And you should not argue about it, because these are facts. Free healthcare is dead in Rivers State today, even long before the end of Amaechi's administration"

you are indeed a novice in Rivers state affair. he killed judiciary you said when the government in the center can not allow him appoint a chief judge? you must be rambunctiously discombobulated. go read the constitution of Nigeria dude

where did you get your info that the free medical care program was not working. why are you bent at discrediting good governance?

how can you say the monorail project is a waste when Architech Namadi Sambo the former VP during his campaign in PH said if Wike should be elected as governor he would complete the project. that Project is one of Amachi's legacy project that I love so much. I know you may not know the value of a monorail especially in modern Urban transit that's why you called it a wast. for your info that monorail was conceived to be completed in Phases to link up old PH township to as far as Eleme. monorail projects all over the world takes years to complete its not a cut and nail project that you can complete with a go. If you really understand the politics of how the private partners who are even the major financier of the project pulled out you will really appreciate the then State governor on the level of the project.
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Mordecai:


ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM.

That describes the kind of argument you put forward drshrewd, where you try to assert yourself by belittling your opponent. I would take the better road, and deal with the issues.

If Amaechi built 1000 school buildings, or employed 130,000 teachers, is that the solution to the problem of half-education, or no-education bedeviling our society? To paraphrase my question, does a bigger house make a better home for children, if parents will still resort to trading blows whenever they have a disagreement?

I have maintained that Amaechi employed 13000 teachers, but we both know that those teachers would work and retire and/or resign and no other governor in Rivers state, present or future, would employ 13000 teachers again because it simply is not a sustainable solution. That would explain why even the FG wouldn't do it, either.

In the next 5-8 years, Rivers state would be looking for a way to downsize the bloated workforce. This is not we want, but we wouldn't, in all honesty, say we do not see it coming. And then, public education would be back to square one, except someone with vision steps in. In Adamawa state, Nyako employed even more than 13000. He called them Special assistants (SAs). The scheme is dead already, because it is not sustainable. That of Amaechi is not dead yet, because the state enjoys 13% derivation. But will it die? Of course, we know it will. It is only being delayed, not stopped. Its all the same - frittering away much needed funds on political gambits.

And does Amaechi advertise his achievements? The photographs you posted were not taken by you. They are products of a well-coordinated publicity programme. So does Amaechi advertise his "achievements"? Yes, he does.

It is good to know you did not try to deny that Amaechi killed the judiciary during his tenure. All you did was put up an excuse, with some AD HOMINEM remarks. So we can accept that he damaged that institution, and move on.

If you say that the free healthcare program (free medical, as it was known) is working, why did it come to a halt? And funny as it may sound, it began with so much fanfare and died quietly months later, without so much as a policy statement or an announcement. It was just programmed to die off on its own after achieving some political ends.

As for the monorail project, can you tell me what Port Harcourt residents have gained from it, since you insist it is not a waste of funds. Do we even need to argue this?

TIMA-RIV went the way of all other Amaechi projects. By the time he was leaving office, TIMA-RIV staff had salary arrears of at least three (3) months. They were living off the monies they extort from motorists. That institution - TIMA-RIV, died as its founder was living office. So much for building and strengthening institutions. Compare it with LASTMA of Lagos State and you will understand what I mean when I say that it was programmed to die as soon as its political ends were achieved.

Or do we also have to mention what happened to the waste management bodies as he was leaving office?

Now, before I continue, I would like to let you know that I do not just visit Rivers; I have a home in Port Harcourt.

Back to the main point being discussed, I would like to ask - Why is it okay to demand for a new constitution, and alright to demand for a sovereign national conference, but wrong to demand for a new federating structure?

Mordecai:


ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM.

That describes the kind of argument you put forward drshrewd, where you try to assert yourself by belittling your opponent. I would take the better road, and deal with the issues.

If Amaechi built 1000 school buildings, or employed 130,000 teachers, is that the solution to the problem of half-education, or no-education bedeviling our society? To paraphrase my question, does a bigger house make a better home for children, if parents will still resort to trading blows whenever they have a disagreement?

I have maintained that Amaechi employed 13000 teachers, but we both know that those teachers would work and retire and/or resign and no other governor in Rivers state, present or future, would employ 13000 teachers again because it simply is not a sustainable solution. That would explain why even the FG wouldn't do it, either.

In the next 5-8 years, Rivers state would be looking for a way to downsize the bloated workforce. This is not we want, but we wouldn't, in all honesty, say we do not see it coming. And then, public education would be back to square one, except someone with vision steps in. In Adamawa state, Nyako employed even more than 13000. He called them Special assistants (SAs). The scheme is dead already, because it is not sustainable. That of Amaechi is not dead yet, because the state enjoys 13% derivation. But will it die? Of course, we know it will. It is only being delayed, not stopped. Its all the same - frittering away much needed funds on political gambits.

And does Amaechi advertise his achievements? The photographs you posted were not taken by you. They are products of a well-coordinated publicity programme. So does Amaechi advertise his "achievements"? Yes, he does.

It is good to know you did not try to deny that Amaechi killed the judiciary during his tenure. All you did was put up an excuse, with some AD HOMINEM remarks. So we can accept that he damaged that institution, and move on.

If you say that the free healthcare program (free medical, as it was known) is working, why did it come to a halt? And funny as it may sound, it began with so much fanfare and died quietly months later, without so much as a policy statement or an announcement. It was just programmed to die off on its own after achieving some political ends.

As for the monorail project, can you tell me what Port Harcourt residents have gained from it, since you insist it is not a waste of funds. Do we even need to argue this?

TIMA-RIV went the way of all other Amaechi projects. By the time he was leaving office, TIMA-RIV staff had salary arrears of at least three (3) months. They were living off the monies they extort from motorists. That institution - TIMA-RIV, died as its founder was living office. So much for building and strengthening institutions. Compare it with LASTMA of Lagos State and you will understand what I mean when I say that it was programmed to die as soon as its political ends were achieved.

Or do we also have to mention what happened to the waste management bodies as he was leaving office?

Now, before I continue, I would like to let you know that I do not just visit Rivers; I have a home in Port Harcourt.

Back to the main point being discussed, I would like to ask - Why is it okay to demand for a new constitution, and alright to demand for a sovereign national conference, but wrong to demand for a new federating structure?

TheGoodJoe:



See my earlier comment and you will get my point.


I am saying a protest against the massive looting by their politicians will yield to more development than a massive protest for Biafra.

Look at Amechi's tenure in Rivers State and the massive infrastructural development.

Show me a governor in the east that did ten percent of what Amaechi did for Rivers State. Or are you saying your Governors did not get up to ten percent of Rivers Allocation?

pazienza:
Bia, the goodjoe, kordi gini ka ana akpor gi, never in your life again compare Igboland to any part of Nigeria in your life again.

Because of your ignorance, I had to go through the stress of reposting these stats again.
There is no better measurememt of a people level of development and quality of life than a measure of how far they have gone in achieving the MDGS, and right now, Igboland is on top of the MDGS achievement percentage in Nigeria.

You should know your mate's and stick with it.

bloodyBLOGGER:
@safarigirl

In your account, you stated that a bus driver of kogi igala extraction said he will prefer biafra just cos his people lost out in te just concluded kogi guber race. Remember that igbos were also pro-nigeria, just like the man, until their hero GEJ lost the presidential election.

I think your inference here is that biafra is for those that lost out in the control of nigeria. Since they can't control nigeria, they feel it's best they opt out so as to escape facing the result of their myopic decisions instead of moving on or enduring for a little while to get back in the scheme of things.

Biafra is really for disgruntled elements.

kenny987:
If we are all honest and objective, there should be no reason for any one tribe or selection of people to feel the need to 'control' any government machinery. There also shouldn't be any sense of entitlement or seeming victory over others for securing an elected position and attendant appointments.

centje:
If people can reason, they did see Biafra agitation is more beneficial to the rest of Nigerians, cause even if it's not achieved it's a warning to every government to sit up and work, since the followers can revolt.
If it's achieved then we would have secured for Nigerians what they had always wanted, freedom from Nigeria but scared of war.
It's a win win situation for them if they can leave sentiment and think.

However, no igboman should bleed for anyone, we have fought Nigeria for freedom, we have bled, even some of the people who we wanted to secure freedom for has abandoned us. So, it's time to focus on igbos cause.

Jaundiced:


If I'm not being cynical/jaundiced; this time last year, a selection of people controlled government machinery this time last year. Where was your objectivity and honesty then?

kenny987:
First, my post is much longer. Read over n see.
Secondly, I am making a point that cuts across the core issues of Nigeria since her independence. It is a problem that must be resolved!

You ask for my objectivity and I ask u what has been done with all d clamour for regional control and fiscal autonomy? The last administration convened a National Conference which is one of the highlights of the former govt to address the core problems bedevilling Nigeria. What has happened to implementation?

You see, this tit for tat mentality which u just displayed has to be dropped at some point otherwise it remains a vicious cycle which Nigeria will not come out of. It is certainly a recipe for disaster because it hinders development and the true potentials of people.

Jaundiced:


1). Why didn't the last administration which convened the National Conference implement the recommendations from the conference?

2). Perhaps, if you and IPOB riff raff have been more vocal about the core problems "bedevilling" Nigeria during the previous government, rather than protect people from your stock, who were the principal actors in how that government failed woefully; we'd be in a better position today.

kenny987:
Again, u fail to rise above sentiments and see clearly. You call people riff raff but u have no honest reason for doing so other than mere pettiness. Biafra is not new and did not just start...why was there a civil war? IPOB has been in existence even during Jonathan'stenure and a little bit of research will show u. The gross disregard for human rights by d continued incarceration of Nnamdi Kanu is what has magnified the call for separation to its current and growing proportions.

U ask why IPOB wasn't more vocal, are they d only ones affected? Have there not been loud n stringent calls to address these issues? Is not always from the South? Have u heard d North raise d issue? So why is that?

Look around and see so much discontent except for those who benefit from this skewed system. It is the same North that has condemned the CONFAB recommendations! The same set of people that drag other regions back! U ask of implementation...do u not know the constitutional process for implementation and amendments? When there is already a shortfall of representation with the SE having 5 states while the NW has 7 and others 6, exactly how much do you expect to have been done?

The CONFAB was convened mid 2014. With all the election politics et al, when would there have been an implementation if not now? Has d current govt, representative of this same North considered it?

Jaundiced:


This is a debate and it has nothing to do with sentiments. You raised your points and all I'm doing is countering them with facts. So rise above/beyond emotions and prove me wrong.

1). MASSOB members were detained (some of the are still locked up) and were killed in the most brutal and inhumane manner, with their bodies dumped in a river, during the previous government. Why wasn't there a protest against the extrajudicial killings and disregard for human rights?

2). You and I know how government bureaucracy works. If the previous administration was actually interested in the CONFAB, it would've implemented its recommendations. So why leave the implementation to a new administration with a completely different agenda? Trojan horse?

centje:
Don't mind them, they think because we are demanding for Biafra means south East states aren't developing, south East states are ahead of most Nigerians states.

I have written it in my earlier post but I will still restate it again, available statistics show we have a wholistic development, and on the bright side.

centje:
First is that Biafran agitation is not about looting by State Government, like Afam4eva told you, don't reduce it to that. Every state government loots including Amaechi of Rivers state, and south East state don't get up to 10% of what Rivers state get as federal allocation.
South East states are not the worst states in Nigeria, available statistics on every aspect of our endeavour has shown they are on the bright side.
But what we are saying is, if federal government builds airport in every region, please build airport for south east, if you create 6 states in every region please create 6 states for south East, if you build power plant in every region, please build for south east, if you build Road, please give us ours, you hardly see the demand for presidency, cause it doesn't matter to us much, all igbos are asking for is fair share.

The business man in onitsha may not even have time to know who is the president, just give him that enabling environment for smooth business, so he can obtain his visa in Enugu, seamlessly fly from Enugu to Dubai without the chaos of Lagos. Those agitating for Biafra now are the ones who know the pain of what am writing here, not igbos elites. Igbos elites fly, they have no clue of how bad how federal Roads are.

So, Please stop shifting the talk about Biafra to state, it's not about state. Each time I talk with people about Marginalisation by federal government they quickly move to state governance. Talk objectively about federal government maltreatment of south East, talk about things in the Exclusive list of federal government that they have over the years deprived south East. If these things were within the power of the State government, then we wouldn't have disturbed the federal government, and probably Biafra won't be in existence. The worst is that these things are being provided in other Regions but south East.

please, don't shift the goal post to State government. If we want to talk about state government, we know how best to go about it, we do that a lot on this forum. But Biafran agitation is being sustained because igbos feel marginalised, no one even talks about this marginalisation and hear the Igbos side of the story, all we want to hear is Nigerian side of the story, everything the Igbos say is bad, and shouldn't be heard.
Once Biafra is mentioned they begin rain of insults, if you hate a useless thing, the right thing to do is you throw it away, why are Nigerian scared of throwing us away? Why become aggressive once they hear Biafra. Has unborn Biafra offended any one? But 'am sure Nigeria has deprived you of a lot, why not channel such aggressiveness to Nigeria who has deprived you of good roads, good power supply, good water supply, good international image, people hide their Nigerian passport outside this country.