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Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by honeymills(f): 7:59pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Noted. All u want us to know is that u bought a new phantom 5. Enjoy it and leave d fvcking bible verse alone. 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by phabulousangel(m): 8:04pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:God will bless you, we have to be very very csreful 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by oluwaniyi66(m): 8:07pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by oluwaniyi66(m): 8:07pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
the meaning of VIOLENCE in that verse in Yoruba version means alagbara . it means power. the Bible says in Matt 22:29 But Jesus replied to them, You are wrong because you know neither the Scriptures nor God's power. matt 11:12 means those who are full of violence - power - the word of God will take the Kingdom of God by force . that's why the Bible said in Isaiah 66:2b But this is the man to whom I will look and have regard: he who is humble and of a broken or wounded spirit, and who trembles at My word and reveres My commands.(B) happy Sunday! happy new week !! happy new year in advance !!! 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by mu2sa2: 8:12pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
You are advertising tecno phantom 5 but pretending to be interpreting mathew 11:12. Fake preacher. 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Nobody: 8:18pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Op and co., y'all should stop deceiving yourselves and start paying your tithes. Its unfortunate how a lot of ministries go about tithing but it is still important to pay it till the end of this age. I doubt a lot of y'all know that tithing started even before the Law and tithing is sure mentioned in the new testaments as well. I don't know how the ministry is supposed to be financed if any giving to the church is met with one argument or another. One more thing, if you don't tithe start watching your income closely and you will notice that tenth part can't be saved no matter what. You spend it on things you either can't fathom or emergencies that should have never occurred. A word is enough for the wise! 4 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by gentlegenius(m): 8:19pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
BustScam:OP, you created a nice thread but you almost spoiled the show by constantly and indirectly advertising the overpriced Phantom 5. Pls spare us the advert. 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by haffaze777(m): 8:24pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
We yaff heard u op, next pls |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Nobody: 8:25pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
You've just given your OPINION and I consider it wrong for you to categorically deem it as a true interpretation of that Bible portion. it would be absolutely naive for anyone to claim to fully understand God or the way He works, even the Bible says 'His ways are past finding out'. That's why God remains a Mystery. if you choose to pray aggressively, Good for you! if you choose to do it quietly, No problem! all I know is that He answers Prayers. Personally I don't like aggressive prayers especially when it disturbs other peoples peace but that doesn't mean God doesn't Hear such prayers... 4 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by TedBaker(m): 8:26pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
We knw say u get money to buy Phanton 5.
Ojukokoro, wats my name doin dere nw? |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by kunlegboye(m): 8:27pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Pls,as to reference to praying violently i dont see anytin wrong with that cos JESUS did that at a point in the garden of geseman... He must have prayed agonizingly that his sweet were like the drops of blood... On the other hand i dont think that the statement ws refering to prayer as well but rather the seriousness to be mindful of the things of heaven,like reading the Bible constantly,praying without season,not forsaking the assembly of the other believers and staying away from SIN etc....these things really need alot of determination which Jesus ws probably refering to as being violent! 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by sammieee(m): 8:31pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Shout for joy is different from violence. I agree with your point about the scriptural ref that you made but i disagree with two of what u posted. Our God is not a deaf and dumb God. He hears everybody voice, being a sinner or a righteous. What He just hate is the sin in us. The second point is on tithe. According to Malachi 3 vs 10, God Himself says to we sons of Jacob (Isreal) that we should bring all tithe into the "storehouse" and he continue that we should prove Him now if He will not open the windows of heaven and pour out His blessings. If God Himself said this and He also say He exhort his words more than His name then it is left to you to pay ur tithe and offering or not. The most important thing is dat pay it to the right place. Let God lead you... He said we should prove Him. I will like to be corrected if am not making point... 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Nauttyprof(m): 8:32pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
The introduction before this verse was on Jesus talking about John the Baptist. It's a verse that clearly talks about John the Baptist and the violent opposition faced as to the Kingdom matter. Remember, John the Baptist opposed the wrong act of Herod who married his brother's wife and because of this, it caused him his head. It was a violent attack against the Kingdom of God. |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Funpeter: 8:38pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Ojestas:Brother of life....... Remember when christ was praying at gesemanee pardon the spelling please, the Bible says His sweat where like blood. Am just curious can someone be praying jeleke prayer on top of the mountain where you have free wind and be sweating? Note: Have never taught of this before on seeing this topic thats what came to my mind. |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Charlesdock(m): 8:40pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
We can pray anyhow crying out loud, quietly that is what made us christians. OP I understand your review but that doesn't mean we can't pray aggresively. |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by tonysoul(m): 8:42pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today. Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple ( Leviticus 27:30 ; Numbers 18:26 ; Deuteronomy 14:24 ; 2 Chronicles 31:5 ). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system. The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” ( 1 Corinthians 16:2 ). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give ( James 1:5 ). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 ). 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Funpeter: 8:47pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
i dont know why we are over flogging this issue.Did God anwers those that pray aggressively or not? 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Ojestas(m): 8:48pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Funpeter:My boss, Funpeter... been a while! When Jesus was teaching his disciples how to pray, it was soft prayer... they didn't even close their eyes. . But i know some prayers might need some aggression, not all tho' |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by jossiwan(m): 8:49pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
If u av another interpretation to it, does not mean other interpretation is wrong... God speaks in diverse ways... He's not an author of confusion... Because other people sees things differently from you does not mean they are entirely wrong. 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by MuttleyLaff: 8:50pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
abitex577:You do pitifully err abitex577:You need to get acquainted with the why, instead of suggesting others asking themselves why Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemane, and His sweat was like blood Mind you it's not really about transfiguration but rather He was there, apart from praying, for the act or an instance of transferring and He had three of his inner caucus (i.e. Peter, James and John) to witness the act or an instance of transferring in the garden of Gethsemane kunlegboye:Read the response below to abitex577 kunlegboye:Determination as to have the will power, strength of character, single-mindedness, sense of purpose, firmness of purpose, strength of will, doggedness to want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven via the ''narrow gate'' (i.e. as the gate is narrow, so you'll have to force your way in, you have no alternative that to force or press your way in) Funpeter:Read the response below to abitex577 abitex577:Dont you think so? Sure of course, someone praying quietly will be sweating and His sweat will be like blood Especially if it was dreading the cruelty of man He was about to face, undergo and experiece that triggered the hematohidrosis (i.e. sweating blood) It is the replaying in the mind, the intense mental action of looking thoughtfully for a long period of time at the ''reception party'' man has drawn up for Jesus, that caused the blood sweats, which medically is called or known as hematohidrosis. |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by olutunde12(m): 8:55pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
First, I dont see any correllation between a pastor preaching that should pray with aggression and somebody saying there is no God( aetist). Shouting when praying and claiming that people should pray silently are two different things. In Luke 11 verse 2, the disciples went to Jesus and said, " Lord, teach us how to pray" and Jesus said, " when you pray, SAY....." Here, he didnot say mummur or hummm or think but SAY. So shouting may not be necessary but we also need to talk out. 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Nobody: 8:56pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
BustScam:OP am sorry to say this but u are totally wrong and have misinterpret that same verse itself What the verse clearly illustrated is that the kingdom of God ain't as easy or sure bet for anyone again that now you must strive and work earnestly and endlessly before u can enter into heaven due to sin,iniquities and the abuse against God..... Kingdom of God suffereth violence due to sins,disobedience,iniquities and persecution of Gods people Only the violence taketh it by force fervent hardwork thru service,worship,praise,prayers and been righteous before God Note: During John the Baptist Era there was heavy persecution of Gods people 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by Dbaroness(f): 9:01pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
BustScam: Bros E ma binu, how is paying tithe unscriptural? |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by 2bey(m): 9:07pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
The phrase “suffereth violence” in this verse is translated from the Greek word “BIAZO,” and it means “to force, i.e. (reflexively) to crowd oneself (into), or (passively) to be seized” (Strong’s Concordance). The same Greek word was used in Luke 16:16 and was translated “presseth” there. The idea that Jesus was communicating in both of these passages was that before the time of John the Baptist, the only way to approach unto God was through the Old Testament laws and sacrifices. In Jesus’ time, these had become cold and cumbersome rituals in which the heart of the people was far from God (Matthew 15:3-9). When John the Baptist came in the power of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6), preaching a turning away from sin (Matthew 3:8 ) and faith in the coming Messiah (Matthew 3:11), multitudes, who previously were not actively seeking God, began flocking to the wilderness to be baptized by John, confessing their sins and putting their faith in the coming Messiah. They were truly “pressing in” to the kingdom of heaven, overcoming any obstacle or opposition posed by laws, traditions, unbelief, or any power Satan threw at them, in order to receive the message that John preached. They were “violently resolved” in their zeal and forcefully pressing in to the kingdom of heaven. Today, as in the days of John the Baptist, Satan is opposing the preaching of the Gospel, and only those who are violently resolved to receive God’s best will have it (James 4:7). 2 Likes |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by vooks: 9:10pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
OP what's the big deal with a Tecno? Did you know that Tecno is one of the smallest phone manufacturers from China? I have contracted the Chinese and worked with them for years. They are madly in love with iPhones and Samsung. Hey just don't trust their own sh*t. You will have truly matured when you will have used iPhone 6 Plus, HTC One M8, Galaxy Note 4 and Blackberry Q10 all in under 12 months like yours truly and you are least bothered. Phones are status symbols for idiots and deranged broke-ass m0rons. What were you saying? 1 Like |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by executivegej: 9:13pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
Instead of violence in that verse use 'pressing' or 'energetically seeking'. One problem with that translation. Believers must work hard to enter God's kingdom as though walking on narrow or cramped road. Persistence and endurance and self-sacrifice required. Matt 7:7, 8, 13, 14. In summary, it will not be an easy task to enter into it. Forget anything about violence. |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by omojeesu(m): 9:19pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
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Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by zyclef(m): 9:22pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
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Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by zyclef(m): 9:24pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
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Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by MuttleyLaff: 9:25pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
kallmemrB:The violent is used in the context of upon hearing about the Good News of the Kingdom of God from the days of John the Baptist to now, people forcing themselves in through the narrow gate to enter the Kingdom of Heaven The ''suffereth'' has previously mentioned above means tolerate, allow, permit Matthew 19:14, Luke 18:16 etcetera will help put the meaning of ''suffereth'' or ''suffer'' into pespective But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven - Matthew 19:14 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God - Luke 18:16 This is an observational statement made by Jesus, noticed about the kingdom entries (i.e. people are keen or eager to pressfully/forciably enter the kingdom though the gate is narrow) and not a criteria statement of fervent hardwork thru service, worship, praise, prayers and been righteous before God for kingdom entry kallmemrB:You're mistaken Before John the Baptist era there was heavy persecution of God's people During John the Baptist era there was heavy persecution of God's people After John the Baptist era there was heavy persecution of God's people Now, there still is heavy persecution of God's people |
Re: The Misinterpretation Of Matthew 11:12 In The Bible (Violent Prayers) by omojeesu(m): 9:27pm On Dec 20, 2015 |
BustScam: The verse can be paraphrased as: The Kingdom of Heaven is under the attack of contrary forces but anyone that wants to enter that kingdom must overcome the contrary forces. Try reading it in other versions such as Amplified and Message versions. |
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