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Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by kehnton(m): 11:02pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: anything that can be created, can also be destroyed! everyone was regarded as Nigerians, until some decided to turn into terrorists, then wat began! we are all Nigerians why then do we fight ourselves? the war began because of rebellion, the created rebelled against their creator, then the loyals of the creator against the loyals of the rebel... the creator wins at the end.... the book of Enoch states where their punishment lies... 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by ifenes(m): 11:07pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
seguun: How do you come about God has no beginning and no end? 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:11pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
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Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:16pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
ifenes:How did you come about that god is an annunaki ![]() |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by johnw74: 12:54am On Jan 13, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: To win victories: Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by ifenes(m): 1:54am On Jan 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I'm not telling you. 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 3:04am On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux That was thorough. ![]() Your explanation though does not account for why those powers fail(ed) en masse and seem to work with respect to populations. How come those charms failed against white invaders centuries ago. African villages were "protected" on so many levels by the African gods, that even visitors hard to undergo ritual to be welcomed. They did, and broke those covenants with no repercussions. What happened to the African gods 500 years ago when other people's (gods) vengefully made in ways onto their land, killed, took captive, enslaved, subdued and took over an entire continent. The answer is also the answer to OLAADEGBU'S question. The European people are still pillaging, we are still labouring for them in other ways. The truth is that the African gods were subdued for a season. Not killed, subdued. Just like it has happened throughout the ages to other races/peoples. The Principality that rules over the African people was bound. For a certain period of time. (That season has since changed. Africans are gaining their losses back gradually. ) |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 3:20am On Jan 13, 2016 |
seguun:How long would that lifespan be? Thousands of years? Ages. Angels like Michael were mentioned by Enoch and still referred to in future prophecies by prophets like Daniel and John. Men have spirits, which do not die when their flesh dies, and similarly angels/demons who are spirit from their beginning cannot die. Not in the sense of shutting down their bodily functions and decomposing back (to what?) |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 8:36am On Jan 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You raised three points 1. Reasons white men don't use high brain frequency. 2. Why herbalists need human head for sacrifice. 3. Explain the lame walking and the blind seeing. My answers: 1. Scientists know far more than you can imagine. The US army has technologies that can blow your very mind. In fact one scientist, Arthur Clarke, described the level of science today as divinity. The human brain has reached all time high. Almost nothing is impossible for science; even diseases, ageing and death is at their twilight. Open your mind and do some research especially on science of the future. 2. Herbalists need human head and other vital parts for sacrifice because they contain certain energies such as etheric energy. Etheric energy which is present in blood, brain, sperm, breast milk are so powerful that with certain mixtures they connect to higher energy fields. I suggest you ask google more about etheric energy. 3. The miracles as recorded in the bible are in line with my arguments except on the issue of restoring broken limbs. Science can restore sight, heal the mentally ill (otherwise known as demonic powers). Your pastors whom you claim shout mere name of Jesus has forgotten that Jesus had to rub a substance in the eyes of a blind man to heal him (John 9:6-7). Your pastors are fakes because there has never been anyone anywhere on planet earth who has had his broken limbs restored or his sights restored by your pastors. I challenge you to give me any instance. I believe the internet will help you know if anyone has so been healed. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 8:50am On Jan 13, 2016 |
muafrika: Thanks for having the time to go through my write up. Let's look at it this way. When the Portuguese first came to West Africa, the African gods were powerful because they didn't understand what they were. Fast forward to when electromagnetic waves and nuclear forces were discovered. The white man now have an idea and their coming back was devastating. Sudden deaths were discovered to be malaria and quinine took care of that. The white man used radio jamming to finish us off. (Have you discovered how phones and radio signals fluctuate near shrines? I know a community in Enugu state where your GSM won't work though there are masts everywhere.) |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:11am On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux: I'm sure scientists not being able to tune their brains to high frequencies got you and you can't explain why . Ogbeni old African men in the villages could tune their brains to high frequencies through an 'elusive' science while the ones who study it can't do same and solve the mysteries of the universe . Gerara hia mehn 2. Herbalists need human head and other vital parts for sacrifice because they contain certain energies such as etheric energy. Etheric energy which is present in blood, brain, sperm, breast milk are so powerful that with certain mixtures they connect to higher energy fields. I suggest you ask google more about etheric energy. Na so . And they could not use a syringe to collect blood but need certain human parts so that same blood would be taken ? Gerara hia mehn 3. The miracles as recorded in the bible are in line with my arguments except on the issue of restoring broken limbs. Science can restore sight, heal the mentally ill (otherwise known as demonic powers). Your pastors whom you claim shout mere name of Jesus has forgotten that Jesus had to rub a substance in the eyes of a blind man to heal him (John 9:6-7). Your pastors are fakes because there has never been anyone anywhere on planet earth who has had his broken limbs restored or his sights restored by your pastors. I challenge you to give me any instance. I believe the internet will help you know if anyone has so been healed. Mr. Man I said miracles in the name of Jesus and you are telling long stories . Psalm 50:15 15 and call upon me in the day of trouble;I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.” Some pastors are fakes quite alright , meaning you have accepted that there are true men of God . Ogbeni enter church and see God doing wonders and stop scribbling half cooked inchoate babbles on Nairaland Gerara hia mehn shiiit 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 10:28am On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux:Really? I was watching a documentary about the Bermuda triangle. Things(ship, aircraft have been disappearing in that area. The scientist measured an abnormal electromagnetic field that causes electromagnetic storms over that whole area. Hmm. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 11:07am On Jan 13, 2016 |
muafrika: It's good that you research. Please keep it up. My point has always been that religion is a scam. Those who started it might not have known but we are developed enough to know. However, I'm not against anyone for his or her belief. For instance, I'm not against Shekau believing that he will sleep with 70 virgins when he gets to heaven. That's his business. If he thinks he can only achieve that by bombing innocent people then it's OUR business. It's up to us to stop him and proscribe the religion that put the thought in his head. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 11:33am On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux:Religion(which I understand as collective behaviour of a group) may be a scam, but personal faith isn't. What you are showing here is your faith. Me too. Can you do something(anything out of the normal) with these waves? I'd like a demonstration. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 12:25pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
muafrika: Remember I am not against anyone's faith. What I am against is how the exercise of that faith affect others. I hope my last post made that clear. There is nothing in the universe that is out of the normal. If you came up with GSM phones in your village in 1900 and was making calls with your phone on speak out, everyone would believe without doubt that it's God on the other end. You would have been venerated and worshipped. That's how it is. What you think is a miracle today will turn out to be technology in the next hundred years. However, you can research invincibility through the meisnner effect or superconductors. It'll explain the use of natural forces like gravity and electromagnetic waves to create invincibility. Research the two nuclear forces and particle entanglement. It'll help you understand more. Thanks. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 12:40pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lol. Your 'gerara hia mehn' got me cracking. I don't intend to make you fall from your faith. We were only arguing as educated people. It was nice exchanging ideas with you. Let's assume you've won. Feel better. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 4:44pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux:It's okay. I see your point of view. I'll see what I can get concerning the above. 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:46pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux: Lolzz ... Won ke ? ![]() Anyways your theories conspicuously show that you are trying so hard to obliterate any evidence of the supernatural - explaining them using science . Science is the study of nature . SUPERNATURAL is beyond science , meaning you need a lot more than science to comprehend supernatural events . But wait ! What convinced you that the supernatural could be explained using science . Don't you think those events explained by science were not supernatural but natural ones . Rainfall was once thought to be a supernatural event you know . |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:49pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux: Astra project , attempt explaining it using science . I want to be impressed ooo ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by oglalasioux(m): 4:56pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Am I to believe you'll like us to continue our educative discussion? I'll like to because I open my mind to knowledge. I could learn a great deal from you even if you didn't learn from me. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:03pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
oglalasioux: Sure . I learn from anyone . Sometimes I ask if there is anything new . Sometimes I help modify the theories to make them look good not that they are true ![]() 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by seguun(m): 5:09pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
muafrika: Sorry for the very late reply. Exactly! their lifespan can last for even millions of years. So its possible for them to be around during the time of all the prophets yet still be around today. That doesn't mean they can not die. You see, if you go by all calculations you will come to understand. Firstly, going by the logic of all the three major religions (Islam, Christianity and Judaism), you will discover that everybody believes God is the only IMMORTAL. This simply means everything has its expiring date except God. Even in the Yoruba traditional religion Orishas do die. that's why when a particular orisha stops granting people's requests even after meeting all obligations...it is presume the orisha is dead and therefore worshippers stop worshipping that particular Orisha. In the Islamic faith, it is believed that at the end of time God will put an end to all matter including the angels and exist alone for thousands of years. He will then continue to call out saying; whoever or whatever is immortal should come now. Behold! nobody and nothing will answer him for 40 thousand years before he will then raise us back to life for judgement. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Nobody: 5:51pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
seguun:No problem. I believe that too. And that spirits do age. They get wounded, etc. There are spirits/demons which are lame, dumb, blind, mute etc. 40, 000yrs? I hope we'll be in a good place in the nonexistence. The bible is silent on the period after the reign of Christ, which is the next age that we expect on earth, but silent on life when God shall take rule. Just that there will be a literal new heaven and new earth. Our prophecies are mostly about our age. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by seguun(m): 6:00pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
ifenes: I understand where you are coming from...but the most logical angle is to believe there is an "UNCAUSED CAUSE" 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by seguun(m): 6:52pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
muafrika: That's it my brother...we learn new things everyday. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by ipreach: 7:52pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
The fight is to have dominion over the souls in the world not to kill themselves. |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by efficiencie(m): 1:50am On Jan 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: All of God's creation that has a soul, a will and has the capability of choosing between right and wrong are all immortals...man is immortal, demons are immortal, angels are immortal. So the question is what really is 'death'? Our entrapment in the physical world has severely constrained our perception and valuation of reality...Death is simply a transition from one form of functionality to another mutually exclusive form of functionality and by this definition, it is even plausible for even inanimate objects to die! A chair was originally designed by the carpenter to bear a person's entire mass in a sitting position but if three of the four legs upon which the chair rests is damaged, that chair ceases to function as a chair and could be termed dead. Man was created to have fellowship with God and that fellowship was made possible by the Spirit of God in man but when man sinned and the Spirit of God left his spirit man died, though he remained in existence, because he ceased to function as he was created by God to function. He no longer had fellowship with God. The angels of Genesis6:3 left their original habitation for lusty reasons and in the end they were chained with chains of darkness in Tarturus awaiting the day of judgement. These angels died, though they still existed, because in the position they now are they cannot perform the same functions for which they were created. At the millennial reign of Christ, satan would be bound for a 1000 years and he will not be able to deceive anyone during this period...hence for this period it can be said that satan would be dead to the world because he will not be able to function in the purpose for which is recreated himself, which is to deceive! Demons can die, if they are paralyzed and rendered powerless...hence, though they exist, they are dead because they can no longer perform the functions which they are known to perform against man! Death is not necessarily non-existence and existence is not necessarily life 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by agentofchange1(m): 8:51am On Jan 14, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Am presuming ..you are hitting those doing the 'Die-by-fire-prayer.". 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by Tampinu(m): 5:06pm On Jan 16, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: The evil angels try to destroy the good works of the Holy Angels...it's not always about fight to the death ![]() 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by orisa37: 12:16pm On Jan 17, 2016 |
The Power of The Almighty is to always settle the conflict between evil and good. God, evil and good are spirits. They don't die. They have different and conflicting functions but God settles them all. That God is so Omnipotent is neither for you and I nor for evil and good to contest. The Spirits of Discernment and Judgement belong to God. 1 Like |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:37pm On Jan 18, 2016 |
Re: If Angels And Demons Can't Die, What Is The Point Of Their Engaging In Battle? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:29pm On Jan 20, 2016 |
Debeloved87: Do you mean they use the souls of men to fight? Debeloved87: It is well with my soul. Remain blessed. ![]() |
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