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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 12:32pm On Jan 25, 2016
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:32pm On Jan 25, 2016
Moyes sins was that he didnt have a big CV. So as soon as three poor results came, he was put under massive pressure from media and fans. Van Persie's complaint that his training method was too hard compounded the issue. What defence would a man without a world class CV have?

Gaal came with all his world class status, and guiding Netherlands to 100% win of qualifying matches at the time he was being hired. With such reputation he was allowed to settle down. Several bad results after spending heavily, the media and pundits spared him of any criticism. He had all the money to spend and all the time to settle. Even when the criticism started this season, his reputation was enough to bully critics and journalists.

The difference is that one was not allowed to settle while the other was highly protected and supported to spend heavily.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:35pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


Before Moyes took over Everton, they were struggling with delegation season after season. It took just two seasons for Moyes to turn it around and made Everton a team that vies for European place every season. He even qualified Everton for the Champions league. All with small budget.

Moyes failed to adapt at Manchester United! The job and it's expectations are too much for his ability and capability. He's only good for a Mid-Table Club! He's gonna turn us to another "Liverpool" if he's still in charge!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:36pm On Jan 25, 2016
chidexxy007:

Brother, he would have needed more than 2seasons to adjust mentally, physically, tactically to the position of being a MANCHESTER UNITED MANAGER meaning we would have still been where we are today with him on board..

He would have settled the next season if he spent. With the way he played Bayern Munich, it was clear he was adjusting.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:38pm On Jan 25, 2016
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:39pm On Jan 25, 2016
adeyemi2015:

Moyes failed to adapt at Manchester United! The job and it's expectations are too much for his ability and capability. He's only good for a Mid-Table Club! He's gonna turn us to another "Liverpool" if he's still in charge!

Moyes failed to adapt with just about 9 months in charge?

How has the world class coach we have now adapted nearly two years he was contacted, and after spending 250m?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 12:44pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:

With Peanut budget, Moyes took Everton from constant relegation battle to a team that finished 4th-7th.

How could such a coach be possibly take Manchester United with huge money to relegation fight? Moyes would have by now stabilize us if he stayed and brought his own kind of players.

Like the afro man abi? grin

Nawa for all these hindsight.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chidexxy007(m): 12:47pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


He would have settled the next season if he spent. With the way he played Bayern Munich, it was clear he was adjusting.
hmmm.... why pick that game. Was that his last game?
Newcastle, Stoke and his last game Everton..
Looking at that season, there is no proof that Moyes would have done any better. Let's just die that matter.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:50pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


Moyes failed to adapt with just about 9 months in charge?

How has the world class coach we have now adapted nearly two years he was contacted, and after spending 250m?
How many Months has Ranieri spent with Leicester City?!
How many Months does Luis Enrique spend to adapt at Barcelona?
How many Months does Allegri spend to adapt after taking over Juventus?!
I've said it earlier..... LVG is a super-failure while Moyes is an Honorable-Failure!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:55pm On Jan 25, 2016
It's seems to me that some people are oblivious of the fact that big clubs have a thing for success. ...anything below par is unacceptable.

enough said about the Moyes nonsense, he isn't fit for a top team, maybe mid table but never a top team EOD!!!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:57pm On Jan 25, 2016
chrisley024:
Like the afro man abi? grin

Nawa for all these hindsight.

cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:58pm On Jan 25, 2016
chrisley024:
Like the afro man abi? grin

Nawa for all these hindsight.

bad to be the new Liverpool, but worst to be the new Everton! !!


his own kind of players indeed!!!....

We need quality players not Moyes or Bangaal type of players. ..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 1:05pm On Jan 25, 2016
Elf be calling Rooney a flop.... He has produced more children than his team has produced goals against Chelsea in the past 3 years

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 1:06pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


Moyes failed to adapt with just about 9 months in charge?

How has the world class coach we have now adapted nearly two years he was contacted, and after spending 250m?


LVG's saving grace was just a top four finish, with all his uselessness (in my opinion).... Gollum had nothing to save his butt... he's a monumental failure!!!!

hehehe. ... If a new employee used 9 months to take you under, 2 years you ll be outta business trust me!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 1:08pm On Jan 25, 2016
bigkesh:
Elf be calling Rooney a flop.... He has produced more children than his team has produced goals against Chelsea in the past 3 years

hehehehe gringringringringringringrin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 1:25pm On Jan 25, 2016
bigkesh:
Elf be calling Rooney a flop.... He has produced more children than his team has produced goals against Chelsea in the past 3 years

My goodness grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:31pm On Jan 25, 2016
adeyemi2015:

How many Months has Ranieri spent with Leicester City?!
How many Months does Luis Enrique spend to adapt at Barcelona?
How many Months does Allegri spend to adapt after taking over Juventus?!
I've said it earlier..... LVG is a super-failure while Moyes is an Honorable-Failure!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:33pm On Jan 25, 2016
elrony:



LVG's saving grace was just a top four finish, with all his uselessness (in my opinion).... Gollum had nothing to save his butt... he's a monumental failure!!!!

hehehe. ... If a new employee used 9 months to take you under, 2 years you ll be outta business trust me!

How many months did it take Mourinho to move from top spot to relegation battle? Two months I guess. If another coach arrived after last season, that coach would have been a victim of circumstance.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:36pm On Jan 25, 2016
chidexxy007:

hmmm.... why pick that game. Was that his last game?
Newcastle, Stoke and his last game Everton..
Looking at that season, there is no proof that Moyes would have done any better. Let's just die that matter.

I am sure he would have done better if he had the next summer to sign his players. I picked that game because it was the biggest game at the biggest stage and we gave a good account of ourselves.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:37pm On Jan 25, 2016
chrisley024:
Like the afro man abi? grin
Nawa for all these hindsight.
Afro man and Mata were panic buys.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 1:49pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


Afro man and Mata were panic buys.
So we should blame the transfer window?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 1:53pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


How many months did it take Mourinho to move from top spot to relegation battle? Two months I guess. If another coach arrived after last season, that coach would have been a victim of circumstance.

hehehehe. ...pls don't put mourninghoe into the equation. .. even with his recent plight he would be picked 1000 times before Moyes...

Moyes is not in the calibre of managers fit for united!!.... I would pick Pochettino 100 times over Moyes. ..

Make we die this matter abeg...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chidexxy007(m): 2:00pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


I am sure he would have done better if he had the next summer to sign his players. I picked that game because it was the biggest game at the biggest stage and we gave a good account of ourselves.
Yea, sign his own players like Fellaini ,right?.
If it were to b based on that game then he wouldn't have been sacked but no, its the EPL because without top4, he would have not gone there.
Hw many coaches gets sacked for a poor run in the UCL...Your league position gets you into the UCL and based on that, Moyes deserves the sack cos he was piss-poor...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:15pm On Jan 25, 2016
elrony:


hehehehe. ...pls don't put mourninghoe into the equation. .. even with his recent plight he would be picked 1000 times before Moyes...

Moyes is not in the calibre of managers fit for united!!.... I would pick Pochettino 100 times over Moyes. ..

Make we die this matter abeg...

You are mixing up two different issues.

Mourinho dragged a defending Champion to relegation battle with same players. If it were another manager who took over, it would have meant the new guy killed Chelsea.

This is different from your comparison of Mourinho and Moyes.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:21pm On Jan 25, 2016
chidexxy007:

Yea, sign his own players like Fellaini ,right?.
If it were to b based on that game then he wouldn't have been sacked but no, its the EPL because without top4, he would have not gone there.
Hw many coaches gets sacked for a poor run in the UCL...Your league position gets you into the UCL and based on that, Moyes deserves the sack cos he was piss-poor...

Fellaini was a panic buy. It was after thought due to pressure from fans to sign a midfieder. Same with Mata. Otherwise Moyes was ready to wait for the right players.

Moyes was sacked prematurely. I am never an advocate of sack hire and sack. There is no too much difference between what a manager can bring to a team.

Luis Enrique is not a better manager than Ancelotti, it's just that Enrique is at the right place at the right time. Bring Enrique to manage Everton and let's see.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:31pm On Jan 25, 2016
chrisley024:
So we should blame the transfer window?

If Moyes had two full summer transfer windows I should have said he had all the opportunities to correct any mistakes he had made previously.

SAF knew how he used players like Cleverley, Wekbeck, Valencia, Nani, Evans, etc to get results mostly playing deep and killing opponents from counters. Moyes spreads his players thin on the pitch with every man left to do his duty while praying high tempo football. Attackers are not naturally expected to support defence. Van Gaal tries to control a game.

So there was a mis match of managers to players. Gaal has had two summer windows to bring players who can control the game.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 2:48pm On Jan 25, 2016
afrodoc2:

Where are Coogar's hype men?

Otamendi has been a really big heap of shyte this season and the Otamendi/Mangala partnership is the main reason City have not run away with the title yet.

RVP has not exactly set the Turkish league alight either.

Lacazette has been firing blanks on all cylinders in the French league and Anderson has disappeared from Europe like the fart of a leprous witch cheesy

And Torres? Torres that has scored just.....in fact the less said about Torres the better.


You forgot Martial cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 3:27pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


Fellaini was a panic buy. It was after thought due to pressure from fans to sign a midfieder. Same with Mata. Otherwise Moyes was ready to wait for the right players.

Moyes was sacked prematurely. I am never an advocate of sack hire and sack. There is no too much difference between what a manager can bring to a team.

Luis Enrique is not a better manager than Ancelotti, it's just that Enrique is at the right place at the right time. Bring Enrique to manage Everton and let's see.

You don't need to bring Enrique to Everton, he flopped at Roma some years ago before he did a good job at Celta Vigo.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 3:28pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:


If Moyes had two full summer transfer windows I should have said he had all the opportunities to correct any mistakes he had made previously.
Since all you've been saying are based on 'if' they are baseless.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:48pm On Jan 25, 2016
I just read that there was no training because Gaal traveled to Netherlands. So Woodward decided to give a talk to the senior players in his absence.

I suppose it's not related to sack.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 3:59pm On Jan 25, 2016
elampiro:
I just read that there was no training because Gaal traveled to Netherlands. So Woodward decided to give a talk to the senior players in his absence.

I suppose it's not related to sack.

he went for his daughter's birthday......


meanwhile, I want the talk related to sack gringringringringrin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 4:22pm On Jan 25, 2016
olabode89:


You don't need to brong Enrique to Everton, he flopped at Roma some years ago before he did a good job at Celta Vigo.

He flopped at Roma cos of Totti. Benched his ass and he lost the dressing room

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