@DonBebs does it have to be used to b convinced....any way Nigeria is battling a rag tag militia force that has wrecked havoc with your army. Look at your living conditions of your army personnel, salary, equipment and conditions of service and conclusions are dire.

Modern and professional armies possess sophisticated equipment that has never been tested but ready too when called upon. A lesson Nigerian army can testify through soldiers complaining about poor military hardware and refusing to fight or worst running away.

Morrocco has advance weaponry and yet never used , South Korea, Japan, Spain, etc. Your problem face the reality

Nigeria proud to have a helicopter maintenance hangar at this age and juncture.....HAHAHAHAHAHHAH

patches689:

According to your Military we do

According to the evidence, you don't.

Henry240:


According to the evidence, you don't.

So this is your argument now? Telling me what I think

Lol - SAAF has more Gripen pilots than NAF has operational assets

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-42107/

R2 billion international deal for Denel Munitions. World class South African engineering.

Thiza:
PROFESSIONAL AND TRANSPARENT ARMIES RELEASES ITS OWN CASUALTIES WITHIN DAYS AND WE ANNOUNCED NAMES AND PICTURES OF THE FALLEN. KENYA UNTIL NOW NOT AND NIGERIA HIDE ITS OWN SPECIAL FORCES CASUALTIES

The US stopped releasing death toll of its troops in Afghanistan. After discovering it wasn't helping anyone

2) For the Kenyan case, the initial blast at the camp had a 200M radius, everything within that radius was wiped out of existance the army has had to take samples from families to try find out the remaining scraps so as to know the death toll, since an unknown number were captured alive as PoW, wile others died miles away from the camp and as is with any professional army, they can't release an official death toll without having the exact numbers & identities of the fallen and having to notify their families first.

patches689:


So this is your argument now? Telling me what I think

Lol - SAAF has more Gripen pilots than NAF has operational assets

Ok cool...... Prove that your source is reliable?



NAF 260 - Chin mounted gun - MI-24V


NAF 261 - Chin mounted gun- MI-24v


NAF 526 - Chin mounted gun - MI-24V



I've proven with clear indisputable evidence that 3 MI-24Vs were purchased from Ukraine, not the numbers you claim.

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D42107%26catid%3D7%26Itemid%3D116&ved=0ahUKEwjA3d2Vz8fKAhUCSBoKHSzjBMo4ChCpAggYKAAwAA&usg=AFQjCNFXACo9BK_YFJcTWLKiMo_bKdG9iQ&sig2=uw6pHGIR83er-msmsKEH4A

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Thiza:
SANDF

THIZA you have very nice album of photos, please help us by posting as much as you can on the other thread for African photos, it will be appreciated, thanks a lot man.

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/347#42323216[/size]

Henry240:


Ok cool...... Prove that your source is reliable?



NAF 260 - Chin mounted gun - MI-24V


NAF 261 - Chin mounted gun- MI-24v


NAF 526 - Chin mounted gun - MI-24V



I've proven with clear indisputable evidence that 3 MI-24Vs were purchased from Ukraine, not the numbers you claim.

Yes you have proven that 3 Hinds of those types were bout IN A DIFFERENT DEAL

Congradulations on winning an argument no one was having

patches689:

Yes you have proven that 3 Hinds of those types were bout IN A DIFFERENT DEAL
Congradulations on winning an argument no one was having

Congrats, you've lost the battle. There is nothing else to prove.

Patches indeed in on fire, punching agaugust and henry single handedly. Wow!! Keep it up Pat.

Henry240:


According to you they don't fly. So what are you posting a photo of birds that can't fly?



You have yet to show us he is white. He could be a fair Nigerian, or an Albino

The hair is what tells it all.

Henry240:


Congrats, you've lost the battle. There is nothing else to prove.

So, Nigeria buying Hinds in a different contract (as well as the contract in question) has somehow caused me to lose the battle?

patches689:


So, Nigeria buying Hinds in a different contract (as well as the contract in question) has somehow caused me to lose the battle?

Start buy providing evidence of the contracts?


You don't even understand what your very own source says.

patches689:




The Committee observed that the radars were delivered without the vital component of Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) that distinguishes between own and adversary aircraft, which has significantly degraded the operational capabilities of the NAF in the North East.

Y paid Thirty Three Million US Dollars for a Civilian grade radar without IFF which normally only costs 6

Boko Haram has no air force and is ZERO air threat. All we need today is the 36D radar 175km detection range, every aircraft approaching NAF base is ours or a friendly, Boko Haram our enemy has ZERO air force, NAF owns the entire skies of Nigeria, so what good is the IFF in such a war? No use really.

IFF is a small piece of hardware, when we need it we will get it, and who knows we might have got it already, NAF is buying and shopping this year 2016 worth millions of dollars, and a military radar rehabilitation budget has been made for 2016 worth millions of dollars to be funded by ministry of works under 'extra-budgetary defence spending'.

Thutlwa detection max range 120 km

36D detection max range 175 km

Finito.

patches689:


Shilka AAA = obsolete, not intergrated

GDF = Obsolete, not intergratd

Type 90 = Obsolete, not intergrated

F-7 = not operational

JF-17 = does not exist

Nigerian Shilka has it's own mobile radar. GDF has it's own radar. Type 90 is a modern year 2000 air defense system and has ultra modern radar and computers and that has been posted here before.

SANDF air defence does NOT exist, your Starstreak is a 1km ceiling anti-aircraft missile and your GDF guns are well integrated to kill SANDF troops operating them, wanna see that defenceweb news report again? SANDF anti-aircraft gun kills SANDF troops

SANDF air defence = ZERO

agaugust:


Boko Haram has no air force and is ZERO air threat. All we need today is the 36D radar 175km detection range, every aircraft approaching NAF base is ours or a friendly, Boko Haram our enemy has ZERO air force, NAF owns the entire skies of Nigeria, so what good is the IFF in such a war? No use really.

IFF is a small piece of hardware, when we need it we will get it, and who knows we might have got it already, NAF is buying and shopping this year 2016 worth millions of dollars, and a military radar rehabilitation budget has been made for 2016 worth millions of dollars to be funded by ministry of works under 'extra-budgetary defence spending'.

Thutlwa detection range 120 km

36D detection range 175 km

Finito.

We base capability on what we have.

No IFF = useless for war.

And 36D has a detection range of only 70km if you fly under 100m

agaugust:


SANDF air defence does NOT exist, your Starstreak is a 1km ceiling anti-aircraft missile and your GDF guns are well integrated to kill SANDF troops operating them, wanna see that defenceweb news report again? SANDF anti-aircraft gun kills SANDF troops

SANDF air defence = ZERO

1. Starstreak has 3km ceiling (And can be used against light armor on the ground)

2. GDF guns are getting skysheild and AHEAD - making them the most advanced in Africa

patches689:


1. Starstreak has 3km ceiling (And can be used against light armor on the ground)

2. GDF guns are getting skysheild and AHEAD - making them the most advanced in Africa

1. British army official website says SANDF version is old Starstreak with 1km max ceiling, even Togo republic will r.ape SANDF with Alpha jet

2. SANDF has NO Skyshield and AHEAD ammo as at today 2016, yes anybody can buy new things, Nigeria can buy Pantsir SAM/CRAM in 2016.

SANDF GDF gun kills it's own soldiers/operators, makes the Thutlwa radar useless, since your air defence gun is suicidal to use
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patches689:


The non-militarisation of the Alpha-Jets made them unsuitable for deployment to the North East and they are currently deployed only for training at NAF Kainji.

Strapping a rocket pod onto a hard-point does not mean it is militarized. Our Pilutus PC-9's have hard points... are they now warplanes?

It's a bad week for Patches, your source is TOTALLY outdated. NAF engineers have locally weaponized and militarized our new American Alpha jets, we bought 4 of them, 2 have landed and are now fully armed, tested, weapons fired, combat capable, and deployed in war zone.

It's a bad week for you and your old time outdated report of NAF having only 7 aircraft .....shame on you all, shame on South Africans


Nigerian Airforce reconfigures Trainer aircraft bought from USA

ON JANUARY 26, 20161:21 PMIN NEWSCOMMENTS
By Kingsley Omonobi-Abuja
________________________________________________________


As part of efforts to attain self sufficiency in the maintenance of aircraft needed for training of fighter pilots, the Nigeria Airforce has successfully reconfigured two (2) demilitarized Alpha jets in its inventory for combat roles in the North East and other operations.

Making the disclosure Tuesday, Director of Airforce Public Relations and Information, Group Captain Ayodele Famuyiwa said, “The Nigerian Air Force, in its bid for increased self-reliance, has successfully reconfigured 2 demilitarized Alpha Jet in its inventory that were hitherto acquired without weapon delivery capability.

“The 2 aircraft are among the 4 Alpha Jets bought from the United States in 2015 by the immediate past administration to enhance the operational capability of the NAF to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the North East.

“However, the aircraft could not be deployed to the theatre of operation before now due to the inherent weapon delivery deficiency hence its limited use for training purposes”, the statement said.

“The urgent need, in recent times, to commit more NAF platforms to ‘Operation Lafiya Dole’ to enhance the success of the counter insurgency operation necessitated the Service to look inward to seek ways of achieving its drive for self reliance through research and development” it added.

“The NAF had earlier looked overseas for assistance without much success to get the aircraft reconfigured for combat roles. A number of vendors invited to Nigeria to assess the platforms had concluded that it would be difficult or almost impossible to undertake the project since the original equipment manufacturer had long closed down the production line”.

“A few others who agreed to the possibility of having the aircraft reconfigured to carry munitions also submitted proposals for initial assessment fees ranging from $20,000 – $30,000 before they could come up with the actual cost of the project.

“Convinced that the project would work, the NAF consequently assembled a team of technicians to develop a feasible model for the project. The weapons model worked on ground, and the weapons has since been mounted on the Alpha Jets, and test flown successfully.

“This feat is a major research and development breakthrough for the NAF and the Nation as a huge foreign exchange saver given that the project only cost about N400, 000.00 compared to what would be required to have it done abroad” the statement concluded.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/

South African air force officers CANNOT even add one weapon to your SAAF jets, you need European manufactures to do EVERYTHING for your dullard Zulu-Bantu-Cape Colony military force of second dullest human beings on earth. Zimbabwe will beat SA in war, Southies are dullards.
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agaugust:


It's a bad week for Patches, your source is TOTALLY outdated. NAF engineers have locally weaponized and militarized our new American Alpha jets, we bought 4 of them, 2 have landed and are now fully armed, tested, weapons fired, combat capable, and deployed in war zone.

It's a bad week for you and your old time outdated report of NAF having only 7 aircraft .....shame on you all, shame on South Africans


Nigerian Airforce reconfigures Trainer aircraft bought from USA

ON JANUARY 26, 20161:21 PMIN NEWSCOMMENTS
By Kingsley Omonobi-Abuja
________________________________________________________


As part of efforts to attain self sufficiency in the maintenance of aircraft needed for training of fighter pilots, the Nigeria Airforce has successfully reconfigured two (2) demilitarized Alpha jets in its inventory for combat roles in the North East and other operations.

Making the disclosure Tuesday, Director of Airforce Public Relations and Information, Group Captain Ayodele Famuyiwa said, “The Nigerian Air Force, in its bid for increased self-reliance, has successfully reconfigured 2 demilitarized Alpha Jet in its inventory that were hitherto acquired without weapon delivery capability.

“The 2 aircraft are among the 4 Alpha Jets bought from the United States in 2015 by the immediate past administration to enhance the operational capability of the NAF to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the North East.

“However, the aircraft could not be deployed to the theatre of operation before now due to the inherent weapon delivery deficiency hence its limited use for training purposes”, the statement said.

“The urgent need, in recent times, to commit more NAF platforms to ‘Operation Lafiya Dole’ to enhance the success of the counter insurgency operation necessitated the Service to look inward to seek ways of achieving its drive for self reliance through research and development” it added.

“The NAF had earlier looked overseas for assistance without much success to get the aircraft reconfigured for combat roles. A number of vendors invited to Nigeria to assess the platforms had concluded that it would be difficult or almost impossible to undertake the project since the original equipment manufacturer had long closed down the production line”.

“A few others who agreed to the possibility of having the aircraft reconfigured to carry munitions also submitted proposals for initial assessment fees ranging from $20,000 – $30,000 before they could come up with the actual cost of the project.

“Convinced that the project would work, the NAF consequently assembled a team of technicians to develop a feasible model for the project. The weapons model worked on ground, and the weapons has since been mounted on the Alpha Jets, and test flown successfully.

“This feat is a major research and development breakthrough for the NAF and the Nation as a huge foreign exchange saver given that the project only cost about N400, 000.00 compared to what would be required to have it done abroad” the statement concluded.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/

South African air force officers CANNOT even add one weapon to your SAAF jets, you need European manufactures to do EVERYTHING for your dullard Zulu-Bantu-Cape Colony military force of second dullest human beings on earth. Zimbabwe will beat SA in war, Southies are dullards.
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Indigenization is a priority. Just perfect!

Henry240:


Indigenization is a priority. Just perfect!

I am convinced that:

1. NAF can arm Gulma drones with very light weight guided missiles or unguided folding fin rockets all home made.

2. NN can locally build modern fast attack crafts and and arm them with missiles/main guns from China

3. NA can build 70mm mobile rocket launchers at home and mount on Igirigi, we can also build Igirigi 120mm mortar carrier variants at home

Lightly armed Gulma UAV would be great for NA, imagine a squadron of 24 such Gulma drones all over NE all owned by Nigerian army

agaugust:

[s]
It's a bad week for Patches, your source is TOTALLY outdated. NAF engineers have locally weaponized and militarized our new American Alpha jets, we bought 4 of them, 2 have landed and are now fully armed, tested, weapons fired, combat capable, and deployed in war zone.

It's a bad week for you and your old time outdated report of NAF having only 7 aircraft .....shame on you all, shame on South Africans


Nigerian Airforce reconfigures Trainer aircraft bought from USA

ON JANUARY 26, 20161:21 PMIN NEWSCOMMENTS
By Kingsley Omonobi-Abuja
________________________________________________________


As part of efforts to attain self sufficiency in the maintenance of aircraft needed for training of fighter pilots, the Nigeria Airforce has successfully reconfigured two (2) demilitarized Alpha jets in its inventory for combat roles in the North East and other operations.

Making the disclosure Tuesday, Director of Airforce Public Relations and Information, Group Captain Ayodele Famuyiwa said, “The Nigerian Air Force, in its bid for increased self-reliance, has successfully reconfigured 2 demilitarized Alpha Jet in its inventory that were hitherto acquired without weapon delivery capability.

“The 2 aircraft are among the 4 Alpha Jets bought from the United States in 2015 by the immediate past administration to enhance the operational capability of the NAF to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the North East.

“However, the aircraft could not be deployed to the theatre of operation before now due to the inherent weapon delivery deficiency hence its limited use for training purposes”, the statement said.

“The urgent need, in recent times, to commit more NAF platforms to ‘Operation Lafiya Dole’ to enhance the success of the counter insurgency operation necessitated the Service to look inward to seek ways of achieving its drive for self reliance through research and development” it added.

“The NAF had earlier looked overseas for assistance without much success to get the aircraft reconfigured for combat roles. A number of vendors invited to Nigeria to assess the platforms had concluded that it would be difficult or almost impossible to undertake the project since the original equipment manufacturer had long closed down the production line”.

“A few others who agreed to the possibility of having the aircraft reconfigured to carry munitions also submitted proposals for initial assessment fees ranging from $20,000 – $30,000 before they could come up with the actual cost of the project.

“Convinced that the project would work, the NAF consequently assembled a team of technicians to develop a feasible model for the project. The weapons model worked on ground, and the weapons has since been mounted on the Alpha Jets, and test flown successfully.

“This feat is a major research and development breakthrough for the NAF and the Nation as a huge foreign exchange saver given that the project only cost about N400, 000.00 compared to what would be required to have it done abroad” the statement concluded.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/

South African air force officers CANNOT even add one weapon to your SAAF jets, you need European manufactures to do EVERYTHING for your dullard Zulu-Bantu-Cape Colony military force of second dullest human beings on earth. Zimbabwe will beat SA in war, Southies are dullards.[/s]
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So you still have 7 then??

We cant add any weapons to our Jets? You mean apart from the Ubami and A-darter

patches689:


So you still have 7 then??

We cant add any weapons to our Jets? You mean apart from the Ubami and A-darter

DENEL is a company adding weapons to your jets with technical help from British BAE and Swedish SAAB, its NOT your black or colored dumb brained air force technicians doing the job you mörön, such brains are not given by mother nature to Zulus, Xhosas, and Cape Colony coloreds with pea nut sized brain matter in their 90% empty skulls .

About 100 aircraft are operating for NAF today as confirmed by NAF chief of staff, we have completely and totally wrëcked, ruïned, and dïsgraced yöu and your outdated old May 28, 2015 story of 7 aircraft.....all tbose Southies who liked your comment are ashamed how you misled them into error....you made a fool of your adult age.....dundee domingo


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/
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agaugust:


[s]DENEL is a company adding weapons to your jets with technical help from British AE and Swedish SAAB, its NOT your black or colored dumb brained air force technicians doing the job you mörön, such brains are not given by mother nature to Zulus, Xhosas, and Cape Colony coloreds with pea nut sized brain matter in their 90% empty skulls .

About 100 aircraft are operating for NAF today as confirmed by NAF chief of staff, we have completely and totally wrëcked, ruïned, and dïsgraced yöu and your outdated old May 28, 2015 story of 7 aircraft.....all tbose Southies who liked your comment are ashamed how you misled them into error....you made a fool of your adult age.....dundee domingo


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/[/s]
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1. Citation needed that Denel needs "help" from Brittain and Sweden

2. I allready showed you that your 7 aircraft are flying two sorties a day which easily matches the number of sorties flown.

So, this week we found out that you only have 7 aircraft operational, and that they only fly two sorties a day

agaugust:


I am convinced that:

1. NAF can arm Gulma drones with very light weight guided missiles or unguided folding fin rockets all home made.

2. NN can locally build modern fast attack crafts and and arm them with missiles/main guns from China

3. NA can build 70mm mobile rocket launchers at home and mount on Igirigi, we can also build Igirigi 120mm mortar carrier variants at home

Lightly armed Gulma UAV would be great for NA, imagine a squadron of 24 such Gulma drones all over NE all owned by Nigerian army

-Gulma's to carry that load would need to increase their overall size. It won't be a challenge for NAF to arm them. The tech exists.



- for vessels, we have a wide array of companies that can deliver. It is in this area were i am most confident of our abilities to deliver.


- this is another area where we can comfortably deliver. Proforce Defence offers N.A a wide range of high quality platforms.

Proforce Leopard, Proforce Viper, the Igirigi could be configured to look like this (Pic).


The possibilities are looking limitless!

agaugust:


DENEL is a company adding weapons to your jets with technical help from British AE and Swedish SAAB, its NOT your black or colored dumb brained air force technicians doing the job you mörön, such brains are not given by mother nature to Zulus, Xhosas, and Cape Colony coloreds with pea nut sized brain matter in their 90% empty skulls .

About 100 aircraft are operating for NAF today as confirmed by NAF chief of staff, we have completely and totally wrëcked, ruïned, and dïsgraced yöu and your outdated old May 28, 2015 story of 7 aircraft.....all tbose Southies who liked your comment are ashamed how you misled them into error....you made a fool of your adult age.....dundee domingo


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/nigerian-airforce-reconfigures-trainer-aircraft-bought-from-us/
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bwahahaha. See finishing.

agaugust:


Shilka AAA + GDF AAA + Roland SAM + Type 90 AAA + F-7 + JF-17 Thunder
.

OK haha, so how is your radar going to differentiate between friendly and enemy?

Also you don't have any Junk Fighters!

jln115:

OK haha, so how is your radar going to differentiate between friendly and enemy?

Also you don't have any Junk Fighters!

Yes we dont have any junk fighters because we dont buy junk, you are right on that.

Aircraft and air base have universal standard radio comms and some as much ranged as much as 50km to 300 km, or how do you think pilots of NAF talk base sending reports from combat zones, pilots can IFF with base using daily changed passwords. There was a time IFF did not exist on base radars anywhere in the world, yet pilots and base ID each other with ease, only a mörön thinks its rocket science to communicate.

agaugust:


Yes we dont have any junk fighters because we dont buy junk, you are right on that.

Aircraft and air base have universal standard radio comms and some as much ranged as much as 50km to 300 km, or how do you think pilots of NAF talk base sending reports from combat zones, pilots can IFF with base using daily changed passwords. There was a time IFF did not exist on base radars anywhere in the world, yet pilots and base ID each other with ease, only a mörön thinks its rocket science to communicate.

OK so basically one small mistake during communication and we have a friendly fire incident!! There's a reason all modern radars have iff.

patches689:


1. Citation needed that Denel needs "help" from Brittain and Sweden

2. I allready showed you that your 7 aircraft are flying two sorties a day which easily matches the number of sorties flown.

So, this week we found out that you only have 7 aircraft operational, and that they only fly two sorties a day

You went to bed happy last nite, happy with an outdated old news report.

You woke up this morining only to find out Nigerians have changed your breakfast menu to bread of affliction and tea of sorrow.

NAF flies about 100 aircraft in war zone today. Sorry you had to eat gravel and sand instead of cornflakes at 7am today
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