JackBizzle:



It is funny how both atheists and theists share this same silly line of reasoning. This is what being trained to accept abuse and a high power distance causes.

It is this same kind of reasoning that johnydon22 follows- "verbal abuse only gets to you if you allow it".


Yes, a white man should call me a N!GGER as many times as possible and I should not react (either by reporting to his boss or recording it and posting it) because I am defining myself by my black identity. Or as Johnydon22 would put it- reacting would only mean that I have a low self-respect.

Why would you ever let your identity be defined by your color? WHY? Did you chose the skin color you were born in? An identity is what we became as a result of our choices and experiences. It is not defined by others, but by ourselves. If a person calls you n!gger in the negative sense, the person is just demonstrating his own identity, not yours. If a buddy wld call you playful n!gger you would never interpret it that way, would you? So its you who defines rather you see it as an attack on your identity or not.

Tufanja:


Why would you ever let your identity be defined by your color? WHY? Did you chose the skin color you were born in? An identity is what we became as a result of our choices and experiences. It is not defined by others, but by ourselves. If a person calls you n!gger in the negative sense, the person is just demonstrating his own identity, not yours. If a buddy wld call you playful n!gger you would never interpret it that way, would you? So its you who defines rather you see it as an attack on your identity or not.

So racism is not experienced? A black man and a white man do not have different experiences in society? Can one escape the identity of his or her skin colour without being ignorant? Please, think before you type

JackBizzle:



You said muslims suffer more. I asked you to back up your claims and now you are asking me questions.

Answering questions with questions. Did I not say that you are deceitful?

Lol. You are not fair yourself. How do I compare something that doesn't exist with one that exists on the context of existence and not including nonexistence?

Yes I said Muslim suffer more but where? In this world. To be frank with you, I've never seen an atheist in Nigeria. Maybe it's a reflection of the cowardice they so much claim to be against.

urahara:



Which side of the country do you reside at. Just curious.

Baba. Atheism = immoral rebel. Take it or leave it

I reside in the north and I'm yet to see an atheist and I'm serious. North Central precisely.

JackBizzle:



She doesnt know what she is talking about. She is just trying to get involved in the discussion.

Lol. I don't know that yet.

Reyginus:
Lol. You are not fair yourself. How do I compare something that doesn't exist with one that exists on the context of existence and not including nonexistence?

Yes I said Muslim suffer more but where? In this world. To be frank with you, [size=14pt]I've never seen an atheist in Nigeria.[/size] Maybe it's a reflection of the cowardice they so much claim to be against.

You are not an atheist. You have not seen any atheist in Nigeria. You have no atheist friends.

Yet, you deem yourself experienced and knowledgeable enough to claim that atheists hardly face discrimination in Nigeria?


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Here is what you said, please back it up;

Reyginus:
Lol. And Moslems suffer more.

You made that statement in reply to this-

JackBizzle:


Whatever.

The bottom line is that atheists suffer a lot of discrimination- yes even in Naija

So, man up and back up your claims!

Reyginus:
I reside in the north and I'm yet to see an atheist and I'm serious. North Central precisely.

Who is foolish enough to be stating openly that he is an atheist in the North?

Bala tried it and ended up being locked in an asylum

ponder on it

DeathStroke007:
ponder on it

There is no 'who', but rather 'how' it happens. That is the question to ask. We know chemically how it happens and scientists are working on being able to do this in a lab.

JackBizzle:



It is far worse than that. Stop lying. There is freedom of religion and freedom from religion. It is a human right- the right to express yourself. However, in Nigeria, there is no space for "atheist", or "humanist" when filling forms or interviews. The question is always "what religion do you follow".

Try telling people that you're an atheist when going for job interviews and see how many jobs you get. I told you about how someone lost his contract just because he was irreligious and said that he will complete the job in half the time without the need for relying on Jesus.

I told you that I was almost stabbed by a christian because I said I was an atheist.



By denying someone what they believe, you are already breaching their human rights.
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Even if christians are only calling atheists "fools" because they think atheists need help, it is still a very serious form of discrimination. It is what led to putting a normal human being into an asylum.

And you were defending it. What if I put you in an asylum? Oh, you want to now say that you're different? Hypocri.......

Lol. My nigger. You mentioned two issues. One doesn't amount to discrimination but intolerance while the other is neither intolerance nor discrimination. Telling you that I'm a humanist and your mood changing doesn't amount to discrimination in the sense we are discussing here. If you put me in an asylum if I see through your intent and it's good I'd only worry about your ignorance.

Before we term a thing so, with respect to this conversation, it must be in tandem with the society's institution. You ask what religion I follow and I say 'Muslim' but you get angry and start showing the silent treatment and I call it discrimination. It happens for all ideas and faith and it's called intolerance and not really discrimination in the sense you are trying to make it appear. Though discrimination take root in intolerance.

Interview? It is not also discrimination. It is simply defining your working team. An atheist will not employ a Christian to work on an experiment that tries to show the nonexistence of God because their values and understanding of the concept are misaligned. It is not discrimination and also not intolerance. It's simply assembling a team you can work with.

Tufanja:


Seems you are getting the clue indeed.

I see often people blame the bad treatment they receive on for instance their color. But they fail to realise that they themselves make the link to the treatment and that specific characteristic by making it a distinguishing aspect of their being. Many times I have been treated very bad by others, unfair, unjust, etc...I thought every time...suppose I would be black, I would blame it on my color, while now I tend to blame it on having a foreign nationality which is also useless...if it was not that I would blame it on my religion or on something else... The truth is...people tend to treat what they dont know, what they not familiar with, what doesnt belong to their group, what is different from mainstream...as a danger...as something that puts them out of the comfortzone...their deepest driver is fear (often because they have no strong own identity) That is the core of the problem...not the characteristic as such.

I understand you now if this is what you are trying to say. It's different from what we are saying here. We are talking about institutionalized discrimination solely aimed at a group irrespective of what they think of themselves or how they see it

JackBizzle:



You are not an atheist. You have not seen any atheist in Nigeria. You have no atheist friends.

Yet, you deem yourself experienced and knowledgeable enough to claim that atheists hardly face discrimination in Nigeria?


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Here is what you said, please back it up;



You made that statement in reply to this-





So, man up and back up your claims!

Lol. But then you had to add, 'even in naija'. That's not a main clause. I was responding to the main clause. Atheists suffer a lot of discriminations, Yes but in Naija, where? What are they denied here?

JackBizzle:


Who is foolish enough to be stating openly that he is an atheist in the North?

Bala tried it and ended up being locked in an asylum

Lol. The north is not really as violent as some of you think. There are more churches and Christian fellows around than there are Moslems in the north central.

onetrack:


There is no 'who', but rather 'how' it happens. That is the question to ask. We know chemically how it happens and scientists are working on being able to do this in a lab.

I think creation is bigger than science. Or our science.

Reyginus:

Interview? It is not also discrimination. It is simply defining your working team. An atheist will not employ a Christian to work on an experiment that tries to show the nonexistence of God because their values and understanding of the concept are misaligned. It is not discrimination and also not intolerance. It's simply assembling a team you can work with.

A government job should be open to all people whether christian, pagan, muslim or atheist. I was talking about government job.

Also, see how Seun, an atheist is employing both christians and muslims

JackBizzle:


A government job should be open to all people whether christian, pagan, muslim or atheist. I was talking about government job.

Also, see how Seun, an atheist is employing both christians and muslims

Where in this country is an atheist denied a Government Job? Where?

Reyginus:
Lol. My nigger. You mentioned two issues. One doesn't amount to discrimination but intolerance while the other is neither intolerance nor discrimination. Telling you that I'm a humanist and your mood changing doesn't amount to discrimination in the sense we are discussing here. If you put me in an asylum if I see through your intent and it's good I'd only worry about your ignorance.

I wanted to make a long argument but your comment in bold just stopped me.

Sir, without being insulting, are you dense? So you wouldnt question how someone legally put you in an asylum when you are normal. You wouldnt worry about your human rights and that of your family/children??


Seriously? ??
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Is my boss allowed to call me a "fool" at work, if I tell him that I am an atheist after he asks me about my religion?

Is my boss allowed to take me to an asylum for my atheism? Since you feel it is right for people to believe that atheist need help..

Reyginus:
Where in this country is an atheist denied a Government Job? Where?

CAC consitently rejected my friends registration for a company name- all of them either had "humanist" or "atheist" in it.

A government owned financial company rejected an atheist relative- the interview was fine until it came to religion.

JackBizzle:


I wanted to make a long argument but your comment in bold just stopped me.

Sir, without being insulting, are you dense? So you wouldnt question how someone legally put you in an asylum when you are normal. You wouldnt worry about your human rights and that of your family/children??


Seriously? ??
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Is my boss allowed to call me a "fool" at work, if I tell him that I am an atheist after he asks me about my religion?

Is my boss allowed to take me to an asylum for my atheism? Since you feel it is right for people to believe that atheist need help..

Lolol. This boy! Let's use an example.

A man all his life has never gone overseas. He doesn't know there exists a another race, the Caucasians, in the world. The astrologers and astronomers around told him they are hundred percent they are the only existent race. He honestly agrees and thinks so.

He has a son, a prodigal, who left the land and wandered for two decades around our globe and finally returns home. Then he begins to tell a story of another people with different skin colour and traditions. He repeats the story to anyone he meets.

The family, facing a new doctrine that violates their idea of the 'real' world take the action of isolating the boy. In all honesty, the astrologers a and astronomers can't be wrong and their son has caught a crazy flu. They honestly believe this to be true.

If you are that boy with who will your prayer lie, Jack, yourself or your family? Who will you show pity? Be honest.

JackBizzle:



CAC consitently rejected my friends registration for a company name- all of them either had "humanist" or "atheist" in it.

A government owned financial company rejected an atheist relative- the interview was fine until it came to religion.

He should have reported the issue to the ministry of labour and productivity. What happened was simply a hate-filled staff acting outside the orders of the system.

JackBizzle:



Proof https://www.nairaland.com/1410754/faith-doubt-religious-faith-extreme/13#17974598

The post clearly shows where I answered his question earlier.

You're just making false allegations as a distraction from your present discourse.

Reyginus:
I think creation is bigger than science. Or our science.

Any evidence for this?

JackBizzle:



CAC consitently rejected my friends registration for a company name- all of them either had "humanist" or "atheist" in it.

A government owned financial company rejected an atheist relative- the interview was fine until it came to religion.

Do you have proof of this? No. So it's probably false. And even if it were true, are you implying that Muslims don't do same to Christians...and vice versa? and that Atheist don't discriminate against Christians?

Even here on Seun's nairaland, Christians are heavily discriminated against.

Reyginus:
Lolol. This boy! Let's use an example.

A man all his life has never gone overseas. He doesn't know there exists a another race, the Caucasians, also in the world. The astrologers and astronomers around told him they are hundred percent they are the only existent race. He honestly doesn't think so.

He has a son, a prodigal, who left the land and wandered for two decades around our globe and finally returns home. Then he begins to tell a story of another people with different skin colour and traditions. He repeats the story to anyone he meets.

The family, facing a new doctrine that violates their idea of the 'real' world take the action of isolating the boy. In all honesty, the astrologers a and astronomers can't be wrong and their son has caught a crazy flu. They honestly believe this to be true.

If you are that boy with who will your prayer lie, Jack, yourself or your family? Who will you show pity? Be honest.

A good person would ask for proof.

In this day and age, we have the internet.

The first time I met an atheist as a christian, I was irritated but I didnt want to put him in an asylum or beat the devil out of him.

italo:


The post clearly shows where I answered his question earlier.

You're just making false allegations as a distraction from your present discourse.

You never answered the question. You lied in the post so as to dodge.

Also, throughout that page in the thread, you dodged and danced around questions. Both I and Wiegraff called you out on it

https://www.nairaland.com/1410754/faith-doubt-religious-faith-extreme/13#17972853
https://www.nairaland.com/1410754/faith-doubt-religious-faith-extreme/13#17971608

italo:


Do you have proof of this? No. So it's probably false. And even if it were true, are you implying that Muslims don't do same to Christians...and vice versa? and that Atheist don't discriminate against Christians?

Even here on Seun's nairaland, Christians are heavily discriminated against.

The CAC discrimination was done to Leo Igwe (A popular Nigerian humanist) as well. So there you have it.


As for you claiming that I'm implying that Muslims don't discriminate against christians and vice versa, I would just tell you that you are throwing strawmen about. Learn how to argue.


Here is my earlier post on this issue, on this very thread

JackBizzle:



Also, atheists tend to get worse discrimination than most religious groups. Of course, every religion can face some discrimination but that is not equally spread and neither is it the point of the thread.

Reyginus:
He should have reported the issue to the ministry of labour and productivity. What happened was simply a hate-filled staff acting outside the orders of the system.

Thanks. I didnt know about such ministry

onetrack:


There is no 'who', but rather 'how' it happens. That is the question to ask. We know chemically how it happens and scientists are working on being able to do this in a lab.

you absolutely do not understand the pic messages

JackBizzle:



The CAC discrimination was done to Leo Igwe (A popular Nigerian humanist) as well. So there you have it.

Where is the proof that Leo Igwe was discriminated against by the CAC?

JackBizzle:

As for you claiming that I'm implying that Muslims don't discriminate against christians and vice versa, I would just tell you that you are throwing strawmen about. Learn how to argue.



Here is my earlier post on this issue, on this very thread

I never "claimed" such. I only asked a question. You don't know the difference between a claim and a question?

"Are you tired?" is different from "you are tired."

The reason I asked is that I was unsure if that's your view.

You don't know this basic rudiments of English and you want to teach me how to argue? Hahaha.

Anyway, you have no concrete evidence that Atheists are discriminated against more than religious groups...even though that's not the main point of the debate.

italo:


Where is the proof that Leo Igwe was discriminated against by the CAC?

Anyway, you have no concrete evidence that Atheists are discriminated against more than religious groups...even though that's not the main point of the debate.

Leo Igwe stated it in a humanist meeting in Nigeria but I doubt it is on video. You can as well try to register an atheist company.

As for you claiming that I have no concrete evidence that atheist are discriminated against more than other religious groups. I can only laugh.

I want to ask you, where is our argument based? Only in Nigeria or also the rest of the world?

I'm asking this because, there are numerous studies and figures that depict the discrimination atheists face in the US/UK. Nigeria has no atheist organisation and so, we are left with personal stories. And there are lots of personal stories right here on nairaland where atheists have bitterly complained about religious intolerance in Nigeria. You just want to be like kingebukasblog and deny deny deny!

DeathStroke007:




you absolutely do not understand the pic messages

Well then the pic has a problem.