airmark:


What's the quality of psg oppositions in ligue one. Dont be surprised a player in burundi league may cop better stats than ibrahimovic but put him against a poor team like troyes, he will be wandering more than bolton players. No one must say cos he has better stats than ibra he is a better player, far from it. Suarez in psg may even have better stats than what ibra has got. Fact is all those things you used to relegate suarez are faulty. A bale will have more assists ratio than suarez cos of his role. A striker having messi and neymar doing the dribbles and even scoring should nt be blamed if he has lesser assists and even goals but yet suarez has done well. We all know how ibra fared in barca. Scoring 20 in 21 in la liga is more impressive than scoring 21 in 20 in french league.
Dmcdad, bykebyke ibra sh1ts on your suarez.

Story story, story!

Does Bale also play in Ligue2? How was Bale able to beat him in Goals, Assists and every parameter?

End of argument.

airmark:


What's the quality of psg oppositions in ligue one. Dont be surprised a player in burundi league may cop better stats than ibrahimovic but put him against a poor team like troyes, he will be wandering more than bolton players. No one must say cos he has better stats than ibra he is a better player, far from it. Suarez in psg may even have better stats than what ibra has got. Fact is all those things you used to relegate suarez are faulty. A bale will have more assists ratio than suarez cos of his role. A striker having messi and neymar doing the dribbles and even scoring should nt be blamed if he has lesser assists and even goals but yet suarez has done well. We all know how ibra fared in barca. Scoring 20 in 21 in la liga is more impressive than scoring 21 in 20 in french league.
Dmcdad, bykebyke ibra sh1ts on your suarez.

The thing tire me

raumdeuter:

Mourinho left Madrid in a mess. The whole team was fighting the pro Casillas and anti casilass camp. A team divided against itself can never win. Carlo mended in the first season brought so much harmony and they won the Copa and La decima at first season

You've long claimed he leaves every team in a 'mess' and now you are redefining what you meant earlier by focusing only on Madrid. Why aren't you swift to mention his time at his stints at Chelsea and Inter anymore? Madrid is a Circus of a club, and their problems precedes Mourinho, and would continue without him for a long. But this does not mean i absolve him of every blame. Capello won the league title and still got sacked, did he finish trophyless? so what are you talking about? you think if Pep was at madrid, he wouldn't have been sacked winning ordinary league titles?

Trebles are extremely difficult to win which is why only 6 teams have won it in the past 40yrs. No one would hire a coach and tell him his mandate is to win a treble. when only 6 people have managed it in 40yrs. Juup was only able to win a treble in his last year as a coach. To judge a coach by not winning treble isnt smart. Ferguson won a treble in 1999 he couldn't win another treble till he retired, Would you say ferguson was not great relative to his past performance?

What nonsense are you saying again? I'm not asking Pep to win a treble. Teams don't win trebles every year. He has just simply failed to reached the heights Bayern were in before his arrival. How can he go past what he hasn't even matched?

Mourinho in his last season was trophyless. What is Supercopa espana? a pre season friendly? the equivalent of Charity shield?
there are 3 major trophies in a yr League, Cup and CL. Not one yeye supercopa espana or Charity shield. You think if Arsenal fail to win the league FA cup or CL anyone would care that they won a pre season Charity shield?
Mourinho fled Madrid after not being able to win La decima and ended the last season trophyless

A trophy is a trophy, regardless major or minor. You claimed he finish the season "trophyless". supercopa espana is oficially recognised as a trophy.

elampiro:


Story story, story!

Does Bale also play in Ligue2? How was Bale able to beat him in Goals, Assists and every parameter?

End of argument.

Bale has played less minutes in general, and his sample space size is very small which gives him an unfair advantage.

elampiro:

Ibrahimovic = 78.2 minutes per giak
Bale = 89. 5 minutes per goal
Suarez = 94.5 minutes per goal

Minutes per Assist
Bale = 145.5 mins
Ibrahimovic = 205.4
Suarez = 315

Minutes per chances created
Bale = 30.6
Ibrahimovic = 58.7
Sharez = 72.7

Minutes per dribble
Bale = 44.8
Suarez = 78.8
Ibrahimovic = 91.3

Accurate passes per game
Ibrahimovic 37 Accurate /46 total passes
Bale 23/29
Suarez 18/25

What season are these from please?... This current one?

GBR1:

You've long claimed he leaves every team in a 'mess' and now you are redefining what you meant earlier by focusing. Why aren't you swift to mention his time at his stints at Chelsea and Inter anymore? Madrid is a Circus of a club, and their problems precedes Mourinho, and would continue without him for a long. But this does not mean i absolve him of every blame. Capello won the league title and still got sacked, did he finish trophyless? so what are you talking about? you think if Pep was at madrid, he wouldn't have been sacked winning ordinary league titles?

He left his teams in a mess. He left Madrid in a mess, Chelsea is in 15th position now. Whether Mourinho was sacked aside, He didnt meet his goals of winning La decima in madrid.

He left madrid a mess, He left Chelsea a mess. When he was leaving chelsea it was cries of mutiny, players wanting to leave and betraying him, sacking Eva caneiro.

I'm not asking Pep to win a treble. Teams don't win trebles every year. He has just simply failed to reached the heights Bayern were in before his arrival. How can he go past what he hasn't even matched?

Bayern won a treble before Pep, So how else would he match that other than by winning a treble? You are saying you didnt ask pep to win a treble, yet you are asking him to match previous performance of a treble. How does that work. Pls explain

A trophy is a trophy, whether major or minor. You claimed he finish the season "trophyless". supercopa espana is oficially recognised as a trophy.

A trophy isnt a trophy. There is a marked difference between winning League, FA or CL to winning Charity shied. Charity shield is not a recognized trophy by anyone. Its a Pre-season warmup just like the Emirate cup. Its a cup to open the football season

Winning a league qualifies you for the CL, winning the FA cup qualifies you for Europe, What does winning the charity shield qualify you for in Europe

elampiro:


His Successful Dribble was 31.9 that season, and that wasn't close to his best for Liverpool. His dribbling has reduced drastically at Barca.

Chances created every 33 minutes

38 passes per game.


* He was more a hunter and s finisher in Liverpool. Now he is being fed. The reason he is able to score and Assist more than when at Liverpool. He has all the support. Despite this, he is still behind Bale and Ibrahimovic.

elamps stop all this stat stuff if Suarez wasn't a controversial bastard ,he was the third best player that season ,and you're mention IBRA that is past it and Bale(I love this dude but abeg that is going too far)
you're big on stat so I don't need to remind you that he missed ten games that season and didn't take penalties for pool still he put up a monster season
what as dribbling gat to do with anything can IBRA still dribble sef ? is Bale a better dribbler than the nutmeg man ?

and now he is even better 3 legendary players in their own rights are bound to steal shine from each other,learn from each other and make life easier for themselves and the team in whole.
Suarez is the undisputed best striker at the moment. again I GATS no love for barca but I can't deny it.

GBR1:

Bale has played less minutes in general, and his sample space size is very small which gives him an unfair advantage.

The more reason he should be praised. He is second in Assist chart, just one Assist behind Neymar.

Again his sample is is more than enough, he has started 14 matches. The sample is usually players who played at least 10 matches out of 38.

Bale has played 14 (1)while Suarez has played 21. Neymar has played 19 and he is just an Assist above Bale.

bykebyke:

What season are these from please?... This current one?

YES.

elampiro:


Story story, story!

Does Bale also play in Ligue2? How was Bale able to beat him in Goals, Assists and every parameter?

End of argument.

suarez : 20 in 21, bale 13 in 15. While bale was scoring 4 goals against the likes of vallecano and 3 against deportivo but could nt score against ucl sides like athletico madrid, sevilla and barcelona, suarez was scoring against athletico madrid, sevilla ,hat trick against bilbao, super hat trick against valencia which bale managed a lone goal against. To cap it all suarez scored a brace against real madrid while bale was one of the flops of the match, he fired blanks.
I support real madrid but these are facts

SIRcumalot:

elamps stop all this stat stuff if Suarez wasn't a controversial bastard ,he was the third best player that season ,and you're mention IBRA that is past it and Bale(I love this dude but abeg that is going too far)
you're big on stat so I don't need to remind you that he missed ten games that season and didn't take penalties for pool still he put up a monster season
what as dribbling gat to do with anything can IBRA still dribble sef ? is Bale a better dribbler than the nutmeg man ?

and now he is even better 3 legendary players in their own rights are bound to still shine from each other,learn from each other and make life easier for themselves and the team in whole.
Suarez is the undisputed best striker at the moment.

Mr man, stats are facts. Ibrahimovic has more league goals and Assist than Suarez at the moment. Bale is ahead too on minutes played.

At Liverpool, he was very good because he was the hunter and finisher, but I still doubt if he would have gotten into the Ballon d'or ahead of M. Neuer who had a marvelous world cup.

airmark:


suarez : 20 in 21, bale 13 in 15. While bale was scoring 4 goals against the likes of vallecano and 3 against deportivo but could nt score against ucl sides like athletico madrid, sevilla and barcelona, suarez was scoring against athletico madrid, sevilla ,hat trick against bilbao, super hat trick against valencia which bale managed a lone goal against. To cap it all suarez scored a brace against real madrid while bale was one of the flops of the match, he fired blanks.
I support real madrid but these are facts

20 in 21 because he was playing full 90 mins.

We travel to Sunderland this weekend. We've never lost at the Stadium of Light in the EPL.....

elampiro:


20 in 21 because he was playing full 90 mins.

You should blame him for that, right? He is that good. Again look at the quality of sides he scored against. No sensible coach will bench
such striker for one minute at his peak.

airmark:


You should blame him for that, right? He is that good. Again look at the quality of sides he scored against. No sensible coach will bench
such striker for one minute at his peak.

Whoscored has taken all these into consideration.

When Berbertov scored 5 Goals in a match, scored 3 in others, won golden boot, Rooney still rated higher than him. That's because Rooney was more consistent in doing key attacking stuf in matches. Same way Bale is more consistent in providing attacking stats like chances created, Assists, Goals etc

elampiro:


Mr man, stats are facts. Ibrahimovic has more league goals and Assist than Suarez at the moment. Bale is ahead too on minutes played.

At Liverpool, he was very good because he was the hunter and finisher, but I still doubt if he would have gotten into the Ballon d'or ahead of M. Neuer who had a marvelous world cup.

why do you keep mentioning IBRA ?
if I put up 50 goals playing for that your beloved okomu oil will you give me the ballon d'or ?
stats are meant to guide not to follow them blindly and ignore circumstance.
he wasn't even nominated for top 10 because of that brief bout of vampirism.
If IBRA is so good why is PSG stalling on his contract renewal ?
IBRA at this point is solidly behind lewa,aguero and Suarez.

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LEICESTER:
Kasper Schmeichel - £2m
Danny Simpson - £2m
Robert Huth - £3m
Wes Morgan - £1m
Christian Fuchs - Free
Marcin Wasilewski - Free
Marc Albrighton - Free
Danny Drinkwater - £1m
N'Golo Kante - £5.6m
Riyad Mahrez - £400,000
Shinji Okazaki - £7m
Jamie Vardy - £1m
Mark Schwarzer - Free
Jeffrey Schlupp - Free
Demarai Gray - £3.8m
Andrej Kramaric - £7m
Yohan Benalouane - £5.6m
Andy King - Free
Gokhan Inler - £5m
Leonardo Ulloa - £10m
TOTAL: £54.4m



TOTTENHAM:
Hugo Lloris - £9.5m
Michel Vorm - £4.2m
Kyle Walker - £4.4m
Kieran Trippier - £3.5m
Jan Vertonghen - £9.3m
Toby Alderweireld - £12m
Kevin Wimmer - £4.5m
Ben Davies - £9.5m
Danny Rose - £1m
Eric Dier - £4m
Dele Alli - £5m
Ryan Mason - Free
Nabil Bentaleb - Free
Joshua Onomah - Free
Mousa Dembele - £14.2m
Tom Carroll - Free
Christian Eriksen - £10.1m
Erik Lamela - £30m
Nacer Chadli - £7m
Son Heung-Min - £21.9m
Clinton Njie - £11m
Harry Kane - Free
TOTAL: £161.1m



ARSENAL:
David Ospina - £3m
Petr Cech - £10m
Kieran Gibbs - Free
Per Mertesacker - £8.5m
Gabriel Paulista - £12m
Laurent Koscielny - £10m
Nacho Monreal - £8.5m
Calum Chambers - £15m
Hector Bellerin - £375,000
Tomas Rosicky - £7.5m
Mikel Arteta - £10m
Jack Wilshere - Free
Mesut Ozil - £42.5m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - £12m
Aaron Ramsey - £5m
Santi Cazorla - £15m
Mathieu Flamini - Free
Francis Coquelin - £750,000
Mohamed Elneny - £7m
Olivier Giroud - £12m
Theo Walcott - £9m
Alexis Sanchez - £35m
Danny Welbeck - £16m
Joel Campbell - £750,000
TOTAL: £251.9m



MANCHESTER CITY:
Joe Hart - £1m
Willy Caballero - £4.4m
Pablo Zabaleta - £6.5m
Bacary Sagna - Free
Aleksandar Kolarov - £16m
Gael Clichy - £7m
Eliaquim Mangala - £42m
Nicolas Otamendi - £28.5m
Vincent Kompany - £6m
Martin Demichelis - £3.5m
Yaya Toure - £24m
Fernandinho - £30m
Fernando - £12m
Fabian Delph - £8m
David Silva - £24m
Samir Nasri - £22m
Jesus Navas - £14.9m
Raheem Sterling - £49m
Kevin De Bruyne - £54m
Sergio Aguero - £38m
Wilfried Bony - £28m
Kelechi Iheanacho - Free
TOTAL: £418.8m

Leicester squad cost compared to Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal

SIRcumalot:

why do you keep mentioning IBRA ?
if I put up 50 goals playing for that your beloved okomu oil will you give me the ballon d'or ?
stats are meant to guide not to follow them blindly and ignore circumstance.
he wasn't even nominated for top 10 because of that brief bout of vampirism.
If IBRA is so good why is PSG stalling on his contract renewal ?
IBRA at this point is solidly behind lewa,aguero and Suarez.

As per league goals and Assist, this season is Ibrahimovic's best ever. I can give you his career stat both for PSG and before.

SIRcumalot:

why do you keep mentioning IBRA ?
if I put up 50 goals playing for that your beloved okomu oil will you give me the ballon d'or ?
stats are meant to guide not to follow them blindly and ignore circumstance.
he wasn't even nominated for top 10 because of that brief bout of vampirism.
If IBRA is so good why is PSG stalling on his contract renewal ?
IBRA at this point is solidly behind lewa,aguero and Suarez.

I just weak. I showed him how bale fared against stronger sides in la liga compared to suarez yet he is sticking to some ridiculous stats.

Ibrahimovic has 21 goals and 8 Assists. 19(1)starts in only 1643 minutes.

Last season he had 19 goals 6 Assists in 2003 minutes.

2013/14 season, 26 goals, 11 Assists in 2689 minutes.

2012/13, 30 goals 8 Assists in 2994

2011/12 28 goals 6 Assists in 2839 minutes.



If Ibrahimovic is not doing well now, it means he has never done well. If he has been great, he is still great if not greater. He has not changed club, he has not changed league. No need to argue with you guys because una no know ball.

elampiro:


As per league goals and Assist, this season is Ibrahimovic best ever. I can give you his career stat both for PSG and before.

why is PSG not renewing with him then ?
everybody has made the same argument for Suarez but you no address that wan na still this stat sha

chidexxy007:

Simeone, Possession?

Forget the picture you have in your head, any team that goes up against Barca must employ defensive tactics...Even Bayern are a little cautious against Barca...Real too are a scary team so it'd be wrong to judge Simeone as a purely defensive coach...Mou with the quality of Madrid team wasn't ultra defensive as you would think...
Quality of players available to a coach hugely determines/affects his approach to the game...

airmark:


I just weak. I showed him how bale fared against stronger sides in la liga compared to suarez yet he is sticking to some ridiculous stats.

Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals.

If Bale didnt score in those matches, he Assisted and created chances.

SIRcumalot:

why is PSG not renewing with him then ?
everybody has made the same argument for Suarez but you no address that wan na still this stat sha

Contract renewal has nothing to do with his current form. Clubs do things for crazy reasons. They might not want to continue paying £300 for a 30+ player. If he could accept less, they will renew his contract.

elampiro:


Contract renewal has nothing to do with his current form. Clubs do things for crazy reasons. They might not want to continue paying £300 for a 30+ player. If he could accept less, they will renew his contract.

Which sensible club would renew a player thats 35yrs old sitting on a fat salary

Some fans here are just funny, they laugh/ridicule any idea that's not in sync to what the voice in their head says...Every tom, dick and harry be here claiming footie pundit when they actually know little or nothing...
Someone already ridiculed the idea of Simeone as a coach whose team could play good footie but then again it comes down to crass ignorance or the usual i too know...We've seen Mourinho's Madrid playing fantastic footie and we've seen almost all the highly rated teams go on the defensive against Barca, so what's there to say Simeone with financial muscle and a great squad can't present excellent footie?
For AVB, it'd be funny to watch folks praise Pochettino who i must say is really good but at the same time, ridicule AVB...The man achieved a lot with porto (went a season unbeaten), i mean should all that be forgotten cos of a bad spell at Chelsea (a club whose players are renowned for playing poo when they ain't cool with the coach) or the short stint at spurs?
Bet if we had most of the mediocres here running Man Utd from way back, we'd never be talking of the fergie dynasty today...

raumdeuter:


Which sensible club would renew a player thats 35yrs old sitting on a fat salary

35?

No no.

.

raumdeuter:


He left his teams in a mess. He left Madrid in a mess, Chelsea is in 15th position now. Whether Mourinho was sacked aside, He didnt meet his goals of winning La decima in madrid.

He left madrid a mess, He left Chelsea a mess. When he was leaving chelsea it was cries of mutiny, players wanting to leave and betraying him, sacking Eva caneiro.

He has been vindicated by Chelsea's current position. Many thought he was the problem but is Chelsea faring any better after he left? The problem was with the players, as it's so obvious now.

Bayern won a treble before Pep, So how else would he match that other than by winning a treble? You are saying you didnt ask pep to win a treble, yet you are asking him to match previous performance of a treble. How does that work. Pls explain

Bayern got to 3 CL finals in 4 years before Pep. Pep has lost disgracefully in the semi-finals for 2 consecutive years, why has he failed to progress to the finals which the norm for Bayern before Pep?
I already gave you an example of how Mourinho improved Madrid in Europe. Conversely, Pep has done the reverse. No one would rate him that high regards the domestic dominance of Bayern if he fails to win the CL this season or even be runner up. I have explained this enough for you already, i can't spoon feed you.

A trophy isnt a trophy. There is a marked difference between winning League, FA or CL to winning Charity shied. Charity shield is not a recognized trophy by anyone. Its a Pre-season warmup just like the Emirate cup. Its a cup to open the football season

Winning a league qualifies you for the CL, winning the FA cup qualifies you for Europe, What does winning the charity shield qualify you for in Europe

You simply should have said major trophy instead of grasping at straws.
Even going by your logic, Ancelloti who won Madrid la Decima failed to win any major trophy the following season and he got sacked. But then and again, your club swiftly secured his services to replace Pep and you stand against the appointment of Jose simply because he got sacked at his previous club. What sort of hypocrisy is this? If i can recall correctly, Ancelloti must have gotten the sack more times than Jose and he is still widely regarded as successful. He even has a poor record in league titles but he is relatively better in cup games, but of course the bundesliga title shouldn't be that much of a problem to him.

GBR1:

He has been vindicated by Chelsea's current position. Many thought he was the problem but is Chelsea faring any better after he left? The problem was with the players, as it's so obvious now.

Chelsea lost how many games under Mourinho vs How many games have they lost under Hiddink?

What position did Mou leave them what position are they now?

GBR1:

You simply should have said major trophy instead of grasping at straws.
Even going by your logic, Ancelloti who won Madrid la Decima failed to win any major trophy and he got sacked. But again, your club swiftly secured his services to replace Pep and you stand against the appointment of Jose simply because he got sacked at his previous club. What sort of hypocrisy is this? If i can recall correctly, Ancelloti must have gotten the sack more times than Jose and he is still widely regarded as successful. He even has a poor record in league titles but he is relatively better in cup games, but of course the bundesliga title shouldn't be that much of a problem to him.

A charity shield is an inconsequential just like an Emirates cup or any other pre season warm up game. Ancelotti was sacked because he was trophyless. I have no problem admitting that unlike you who is telling us Jose won the Supercopa whatever

Ancelotti is widely regarded as the best coach because he has 3 CL titles, Jose at his last job was sacked at 16th position. Before that one he was sacked at Madrid for ending trophyless and fighting with players

He can only ride on his records in 2010 so far. if he(Jose) has been sacked at his last 2 jobs