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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:25pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: Story story, story! Does Bale also play in Ligue2? How was Bale able to beat him in Goals, Assists and every parameter? End of argument. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:39pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark:The thing tire me ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 8:42pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
raumdeuter:You've long claimed he leaves every team in a 'mess' and now you are redefining what you meant earlier by focusing only on Madrid. Why aren't you swift to mention his time at his stints at Chelsea and Inter anymore? Madrid is a Circus of a club, and their problems precedes Mourinho, and would continue without him for a long. But this does not mean i absolve him of every blame. Capello won the league title and still got sacked, did he finish trophyless? so what are you talking about? you think if Pep was at madrid, he wouldn't have been sacked winning ordinary league titles? Trebles are extremely difficult to win which is why only 6 teams have won it in the past 40yrs. No one would hire a coach and tell him his mandate is to win a treble. when only 6 people have managed it in 40yrs. Juup was only able to win a treble in his last year as a coach. To judge a coach by not winning treble isnt smart. Ferguson won a treble in 1999 he couldn't win another treble till he retired, Would you say ferguson was not great relative to his past performance?What nonsense are you saying again? I'm not asking Pep to win a treble. Teams don't win trebles every year. He has just simply failed to reached the heights Bayern were in before his arrival. How can he go past what he hasn't even matched? Mourinho in his last season was trophyless. What is Supercopa espana? a pre season friendly? the equivalent of Charity shield?A trophy is a trophy, regardless major or minor. You claimed he finish the season "trophyless". supercopa espana is oficially recognised as a trophy. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 8:43pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro:Bale has played less minutes in general, and his sample space size is very small which gives him an unfair advantage. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:44pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro:What season are these from please?... This current one? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:48pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: He left his teams in a mess. He left Madrid in a mess, Chelsea is in 15th position now. Whether Mourinho was sacked aside, He didnt meet his goals of winning La decima in madrid. He left madrid a mess, He left Chelsea a mess. When he was leaving chelsea it was cries of mutiny, players wanting to leave and betraying him, sacking Eva caneiro. I'm not asking Pep to win a treble. Teams don't win trebles every year. He has just simply failed to reached the heights Bayern were in before his arrival. How can he go past what he hasn't even matched? Bayern won a treble before Pep, So how else would he match that other than by winning a treble? You are saying you didnt ask pep to win a treble, yet you are asking him to match previous performance of a treble. How does that work. Pls explain A trophy is a trophy, whether major or minor. You claimed he finish the season "trophyless". supercopa espana is oficially recognised as a trophy. A trophy isnt a trophy. There is a marked difference between winning League, FA or CL to winning Charity shied. Charity shield is not a recognized trophy by anyone. Its a Pre-season warmup just like the Emirate cup. Its a cup to open the football season Winning a league qualifies you for the CL, winning the FA cup qualifies you for Europe, What does winning the charity shield qualify you for in Europe 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 8:50pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro:elamps stop all this stat stuff if Suarez wasn't a controversial bastard ,he was the third best player that season ,and you're mention IBRA that is past it and Bale(I love this dude but abeg that is going too far) you're big on stat so I don't need to remind you that he missed ten games that season and didn't take penalties for pool still he put up a monster season what as dribbling gat to do with anything can IBRA still dribble sef ? is Bale a better dribbler than the nutmeg man ? and now he is even better 3 legendary players in their own rights are bound to steal shine from each other,learn from each other and make life easier for themselves and the team in whole. Suarez is the undisputed best striker at the moment. again I GATS no love for barca but I can't deny it. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:51pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: The more reason he should be praised. He is second in Assist chart, just one Assist behind Neymar. Again his sample is is more than enough, he has started 14 matches. The sample is usually players who played at least 10 matches out of 38. Bale has played 14 (1)while Suarez has played 21. Neymar has played 19 and he is just an Assist above Bale. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:52pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
bykebyke: YES. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:55pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro: suarez : 20 in 21, bale 13 in 15. While bale was scoring 4 goals against the likes of vallecano and 3 against deportivo but could nt score against ucl sides like athletico madrid, sevilla and barcelona, suarez was scoring against athletico madrid, sevilla ,hat trick against bilbao, super hat trick against valencia which bale managed a lone goal against. To cap it all suarez scored a brace against real madrid while bale was one of the flops of the match, he fired blanks. I support real madrid but these are facts |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:56pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: Mr man, stats are facts. Ibrahimovic has more league goals and Assist than Suarez at the moment. Bale is ahead too on minutes played. At Liverpool, he was very good because he was the hunter and finisher, but I still doubt if he would have gotten into the Ballon d'or ahead of M. Neuer who had a marvelous world cup. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:58pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: 20 in 21 because he was playing full 90 mins. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:59pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
We travel to Sunderland this weekend. We've never lost at the Stadium of Light in the EPL..... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 9:04pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro: You should blame him for that, right? He is that good. Again look at the quality of sides he scored against. No sensible coach will bench such striker for one minute at his peak. ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:13pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: Whoscored has taken all these into consideration. When Berbertov scored 5 Goals in a match, scored 3 in others, won golden boot, Rooney still rated higher than him. That's because Rooney was more consistent in doing key attacking stuf in matches. Same way Bale is more consistent in providing attacking stats like chances created, Assists, Goals etc |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 9:14pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro:why do you keep mentioning IBRA ? if I put up 50 goals playing for that your beloved okomu oil will you give me the ballon d'or ? stats are meant to guide not to follow them blindly and ignore circumstance. he wasn't even nominated for top 10 because of that brief bout of vampirism. If IBRA is so good why is PSG stalling on his contract renewal ? IBRA at this point is solidly behind lewa,aguero and Suarez. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:19pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Benzema is even 19 goals in 17 league starts. Suarez has played 545 minutes more than Benzema. That's good six matches. Even in Europe, Benzema has more goals than Suarez in minutes played. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:29pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: As per league goals and Assist, this season is Ibrahimovic's best ever. I can give you his career stat both for PSG and before.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 9:43pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: I just weak. I showed him how bale fared against stronger sides in la liga compared to suarez yet he is sticking to some ridiculous stats. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:48pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Ibrahimovic has 21 goals and 8 Assists. 19(1)starts in only 1643 minutes. Last season he had 19 goals 6 Assists in 2003 minutes. 2013/14 season, 26 goals, 11 Assists in 2689 minutes. 2012/13, 30 goals 8 Assists in 2994 2011/12 28 goals 6 Assists in 2839 minutes. If Ibrahimovic is not doing well now, it means he has never done well. If he has been great, he is still great if not greater. He has not changed club, he has not changed league. No need to argue with you guys because una no know ball. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 9:49pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro:why is PSG not renewing with him then ? everybody has made the same argument for Suarez but you no address that wan na still this stat sha |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:53pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
chidexxy007:Forget the picture you have in your head, any team that goes up against Barca must employ defensive tactics...Even Bayern are a little cautious against Barca...Real too are a scary team so it'd be wrong to judge Simeone as a purely defensive coach...Mou with the quality of Madrid team wasn't ultra defensive as you would think... Quality of players available to a coach hugely determines/affects his approach to the game... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:54pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals. If Bale didnt score in those matches, he Assisted and created chances. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:59pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: Contract renewal has nothing to do with his current form. Clubs do things for crazy reasons. They might not want to continue paying £300 for a 30+ player. If he could accept less, they will renew his contract. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:02pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
elampiro: Which sensible club would renew a player thats 35yrs old sitting on a fat salary |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:12pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Some fans here are just funny, they laugh/ridicule any idea that's not in sync to what the voice in their head says...Every tom, dick and harry be here claiming footie pundit when they actually know little or nothing... Someone already ridiculed the idea of Simeone as a coach whose team could play good footie but then again it comes down to crass ignorance or the usual i too know...We've seen Mourinho's Madrid playing fantastic footie and we've seen almost all the highly rated teams go on the defensive against Barca, so what's there to say Simeone with financial muscle and a great squad can't present excellent footie? For AVB, it'd be funny to watch folks praise Pochettino who i must say is really good but at the same time, ridicule AVB...The man achieved a lot with porto (went a season unbeaten), i mean should all that be forgotten cos of a bad spell at Chelsea (a club whose players are renowned for playing poo when they ain't cool with the coach) or the short stint at spurs? Bet if we had most of the mediocres here running Man Utd from way back, we'd never be talking of the fergie dynasty today... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:12pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
raumdeuter: 35? No no. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 10:17pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 10:30pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
raumdeuter:He has been vindicated by Chelsea's current position. Many thought he was the problem but is Chelsea faring any better after he left? The problem was with the players, as it's so obvious now. Bayern won a treble before Pep, So how else would he match that other than by winning a treble? You are saying you didnt ask pep to win a treble, yet you are asking him to match previous performance of a treble. How does that work. Pls explainBayern got to 3 CL finals in 4 years before Pep. Pep has lost disgracefully in the semi-finals for 2 consecutive years, why has he failed to progress to the finals which the norm for Bayern before Pep? I already gave you an example of how Mourinho improved Madrid in Europe. Conversely, Pep has done the reverse. No one would rate him that high regards the domestic dominance of Bayern if he fails to win the CL this season or even be runner up. I have explained this enough for you already, i can't spoon feed you. A trophy isnt a trophy. There is a marked difference between winning League, FA or CL to winning Charity shied. Charity shield is not a recognized trophy by anyone. Its a Pre-season warmup just like the Emirate cup. Its a cup to open the football seasonYou simply should have said major trophy instead of grasping at straws. Even going by your logic, Ancelloti who won Madrid la Decima failed to win any major trophy the following season and he got sacked. But then and again, your club swiftly secured his services to replace Pep and you stand against the appointment of Jose simply because he got sacked at his previous club. What sort of hypocrisy is this? If i can recall correctly, Ancelloti must have gotten the sack more times than Jose and he is still widely regarded as successful. He even has a poor record in league titles but he is relatively better in cup games, but of course the bundesliga title shouldn't be that much of a problem to him. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:32pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: Chelsea lost how many games under Mourinho vs How many games have they lost under Hiddink? What position did Mou leave them what position are they now? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:37pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: A charity shield is an inconsequential just like an Emirates cup or any other pre season warm up game. Ancelotti was sacked because he was trophyless. I have no problem admitting that unlike you who is telling us Jose won the Supercopa whatever Ancelotti is widely regarded as the best coach because he has 3 CL titles, Jose at his last job was sacked at 16th position. Before that one he was sacked at Madrid for ending trophyless and fighting with players He can only ride on his records in 2010 so far. if he(Jose) has been sacked at his last 2 jobs |
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