elampiro:


Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals.

raumdeuter:


Chelsea lost how many games under Mourinho vs How many games have they lost under Hiddink?

What position did Mou leave them what position are they now?

GBR1:

Chelsea won 5 in 17 league games with Mourinho. After he left, they've won 2 in 8, so they have even had a higher win rate with Mourinho. I won't let you have your way with stats.

BTW, i see you have avoided the replies regards Pep.

patrickmuf:
Forget the picture you have in your head, any team that goes up against Barca must employ defensive tactics...Even Bayern are a little cautious against Barca...Real too are a scary team so it'd be wrong to judge Simeone as a purely defensive coach...Mou with the quality of Madrid team wasn't ultra defensive as you would think...
Quality of players available to a coach hugely determines/affects his approach to the game...

raumdeuter:


Chelsea lost 9 league out of 16 games under Mourinho(9L, 3D, 4W) 15 Points from 16 games

Hiddink Lost 0 league games in 8. (0L, 6 D, 2 W) total of 12 points in 8 games

Mou point per game was less than 1 as at when he was sacked, Hiddink is at 1.5point/game

So prove to me with stats that Chelsea havent improved from the days under Mou this seasomn

chidexxy007:

which picture... Just 2matches and both recent ones....
las Palmas v ath Madrid and Eibar v ath Madrid.... ATM won both but twas a smash and grab kinda victory in which both ended in 1st half draw against teams they are suppose to dominate.
Bottom like is: simeone and ATM don't care about any form of possession..
Have u even watched them recently

GBR1:

He has been vindicated by Chelsea's current position. Many thought he was the problem but is Chelsea faring any better after he left? The problem was with the players, as it's so obvious now.



Bayern got to 3 CL finals in 4 years before Pep. Pep has lost disgracefully in the semi-finals for 2 consecutive years, why has he failed to progress to the finals which the norm for Bayern before Pep?
I already gave you an example of how Mourinho improved Madrid in Europe. Conversely, Pep has done the reverse. No one would rate him that high regards the domestic dominance of Bayern if he fails to win the CL this season or even be runner up. I have explained this enough for you already, i can't spoon feed you.



You simply should have said major trophy instead of grasping at straws.
Even going by your logic, Ancelloti who won Madrid la Decima failed to win any major trophy the following season and he got sacked. But then and again, your club swiftly secured his services to replace Pep and you stand against the appointment of Jose simply because he got sacked at his previous club. What sort of hypocrisy is this? If i can recall correctly, Ancelloti must have gotten the sack more times than Jose and he is still widely regarded as successful. He even has a poor record in league titles but he is relatively better in cup games, but of course the bundesliga title shouldn't be that much of a problem to him.

GBR1:

Chelsea is currently 13th on the table. Mourinho left them at 15th. These figures are too minute to be considered improvement. Don't he used this same team to win Chelsea their league title in 5 years.

bykebyke:
The thing tire me

bigkesh:


Thank You for schooling him

GBR1:

Chelsea is currently 13th on the table. Mourinho left them at 15th. These figures are too minute to be considered improvement. Don't he used this same team to win Chelsea their league title in 5 years.
I don't understand how people can criticize Mourinho's football and claim to enjoy watching atletico.

raumdeuter:


Was there a statistical improvement from Hiddink vs Mourinho this season Yes or No?

0.9 point per game vs 1.5 game per season

if Mourinho had maintained 1.5 point/game while he was here they would be 37 points in 7th position and 10points behind 4th place

elampiro:


Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals.

GBR1:

You are too short sighted and unreasonable so you resort to manipulation of stats. The arrival of a new manager( above average ones) almost always coincides with instantaneous improvement but it's no guarantee of average or actual improvement. For example when Klopp first arrived at Liverpool, for the next few games, they picked up points faster than the previous rate recorded with Brendan. But currently after enough games, it's obvious that the rate is more or less similar to what Brendan had been achieving. Would you say Jurgen is a bad coach, or have Liverpool actually failed to improve?

GBR1:
Chelsea have not improved in actual fact. What i said earlier stands, Chelsea are still struggling without Mourinho.
Besides, you are still avoiding my other questions.

raumdeuter:


I would think you are the unreasonable one

A new coach brings new ideas bench some players e.g matic, Hazard, Start some Mikel and is getting results the players are playing better you are trying to adduce it to luck of new manager. How come Gary Neville isnt having the same Or Remi Garde

raumdeuter:

Which other questions?

Bayern got to 3 CL finals in 4 years before Pep. Pep has lost disgracefully in the semi-finals for 2 consecutive years, why has he failed to progress to the finals which the norm for Bayern before Pep?
I already gave you an example of how Mourinho improved Madrid in Europe. Conversely, Pep has done the reverse. No one would rate him that high regards the domestic dominance of Bayern if he fails to win the CL this season or even be runner up.

GBR1:

I think i made myself clear when i said above average managers. I knew you would fall for this too. Like i said, you are too short sighted and you can continue proving me right.

raumdeuter:


I think you are the short sighted or rather the ignorant one here

A manager instantly changes playing ideas and gets result ignorant ones think its luck. I am sure you are one of those who think football is 100% luck

while people are thinking and tweaking tactics you are there sitting down hoping to be lucky

GBR1:

Point to where i ascribed improvement to luck. what exactly are you on about?

GBR1:

The arrival of a new manager( above average ones) almost always coincides with instantaneous improvement but it's no guarantee of average or actual improvement..

raumdeuter:

Below is your quote
What makes a team have instantaneous improvement under a new coach if not a change of tactics?

GBR1:

There are a number of factors and i don't have to explain every single bit to you. For instance, Players increase their work rate and try to secure a place in the first team of the new manager or to avoid being dropped. If you want to claim these too as change of tactics, then i have no other reply to you.

raumdeuter:


Before Mourinho Chelsea won back to back European cups. When Mourinho took them they regressed one semi(which you claim was bad for Pep) and one second round knockout

GBR1:

Chelsea won the CL albeit not even convincingly and finished 6th in the league and then regressed by getting knocked out in the group stages of Cl the next season and they ended up in the europa. Do you know what their league position was when they won the CL against Bayern? How can you compare winning the the CL to the europa? All these happened pre mourinho and when he arrived, he got them to the semi finals in his first season when they couldn't go past the group stage in the previous season? This is in fact another improvement on Mourinho's part so how can you compare this to Pep's failure?

airmark:


May be another benzema not Karim

bykebyke:

Benzema ahead of Suarez in goals?

elampiro:


Benzema
UCL 66.8 mins per goal
League 70.8 mins per goal

Suarez
UCL = 90
League = 94.5


Suarez has only one goal above Benzema even though he has played 545 minutes more which is about six matches.

elampiro:


Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals.

airmark:


At least you have corrected your blunder.



Below is something close to rating a CF. Every other thing you have been typing is laughable.

elampiro:


This this nonsense. Whoscored is a more reliable rating than this advance gugurakpa website.

Again, My first post was that Benzema had better goals per minutes played. So the flow followed from there.

elampiro:


And you refused to see where I mentioned DeGea and Courtois as men of the match.

airmark:


You misinformed us that benzema had higher number of goals than suarez, my subsequent post made you recheck and you stylishly corrected it. Next time a little appology will do for the misinformation. Meanwhile, only a senseless madridsta will not prefer suarez in real than benzema based on current form. Was it not you i asked yesterday and confirmed de gea and courtois performed better than rooney only to change tune when you learnt whoscored picked rooney?. Credible ko, Terrible ni.