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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by ChappyChase: 8:59am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
Lemme see he opionion of NgeneUkwenu and Progressive01
Those ones will avoid this thread like a plague!

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by talktimi(m): 9:01am On Feb 28, 2016
The sheeple have already found a way to defend Baba
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by erunz(m): 9:01am On Feb 28, 2016
promise of change have turn to change of promise. APC!!!! Shame

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:07am On Feb 28, 2016
emzila:
Looking At Buhari's Proposal
With Buhari's proposed N1.89tr Social program, it
invariably means an additional N1.89trn will be
added to the projected deficit of N1.29 trn ie
N3.187trn if he is to go ahead with paying of
N5000 to 25 million unemployed annually, from
where will he be able to make up the HUGE
deficit?.

THE SO CALLED BARCANISTA IS A BIG JOKER.
any reasonable JSS3 student will not find it difficult to understand that the deficit of 2015 and 2016, aside the social program can never be of the same. any reasonable Nigerian who is not alien to d recent developments would have understand that even if 2015 and 2016 budgets are as stated by barcanista, the budget deficit will not be 3.187trn considering the various sources of revenue by the new administration eg, the TSA which brings about 2trn into the new yr budget, the stamp duty, the increase custom revenue report etc. barcanista has just put up organized pieces of rubbish for the gullibles.

further more, teacher barcanista don't even understand that the social security program is not the function of 2015 budget but 2016 budget and until the budget is passed, one cannot clearly say that the president has failed in his promise.

Very funny bro. Do you know that the 2016 Budget runs a deficit of N2.8trillion? If you are to add N1.8trn that would make the borrowing shoot up to N4.6trillion. How can the government get this money? Let's say we borrow, how do we service, repay and sustain it?

On the TSA: The TSA is simply about bringing together the accouns of ALL FG institutions into one. It is simply like having a family to operate one single account instead of each members having different/multiple account. It is NOT A REVENUE GENERATING ACCOUNT! The N2trn is all the monies that belongs to all organs of the FG.

further more, teacher barcanista don't even understand that the social security program is not the function of 2015 budget but 2016 budget and until the budget is passed, one cannot clearly say that the president has failed in his promise.
Did you see it in their budget proposal? The man has told you that he won't pay and you are here speaking turanshi


Haba

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by Nobody: 9:08am On Feb 28, 2016
I never believed that #5000 promise for one day. - its all lies.

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:17am On Feb 28, 2016
erunz:
promise of change have turn to change of promise. APC!!!! Shame
Lol @ChangeOfPromise
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by internetpirate: 9:24am On Feb 28, 2016
oduastates:
Ideas floated during a campaign does not necessarily mean policy.
It gives you a window into the campaign's priorities and gauge their engagement.
While some are realistic, others are not . A direct welfare program is destined to fail because we simply lack the mechanism and institutions to make them succeed. Starting from a database of who is unemployed to ghost recipients . Even Countries with advanced institutions have welfare policies that are plagued by fraud.
Also in a country with so many people with a sense of entitlement and very few taxpayers, you can expect civil disobedience if the government ever became incapable of paying the money after starting the program.

How could a responsible party allow such a foolish idea flourish Why didn't they dissociate from it to avoid any vicarious liability??

Please call a spade a spade!!

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by funlord(m): 9:25am On Feb 28, 2016
undecided
TonyeBarcanista:
My Thought On Recent Development
I sympathise with millions of Nigerians that thumb-printed for President Buhari at the March 28 Presidential poll because of the prospect of "free" N5,000 monthly. And I believe that both Muhammadu Buhari and the APC owe these disappointed voters apology if they have any shred of honour in them.

Though I've never wished nor prayed for the failure of APC and Buhari, it has always been my position that this APC government has positioned itself on the path of failure. It is a shame that the party and government would deliberately play on the psyche of gullible Nigerians just because of power.






Nigerians did not vote for buhari because of N5000k! They voted for him because they were sick and tired of the 16 years of directionless, corruption laden, recycle based and incompetent leadership provided by your sorry party the pdp! The last administrations gigantic flaws helped to accelerate the process thanks to ebele and his _moronic pals!



Nigerians wanted to move in a new direction and at least attempt to save their country from all sorts of bandits and certain doom so stop trying to give a dog a bad name in order to hang it!

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:31am On Feb 28, 2016
chocolateme:
sometimes, it is good for the youths of the nation to partake in the political matters. It does not matter if its for recognition or not but all about not shying away and allowingthe incumbent ones to keep takin away our assumed unseriousness to the affairs of the nation irrespective of which party of interest. The show must go on.
What do you care about dear?
Thank You!

Same people wil be complaining that the incumbents aren't giving way to young people but would still abuse any young person that get involved.

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by emzila(m): 9:33am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

Very funny bro. Do you know that the 2016 Budget runs a deficit of N2.8trillion? If you are to add N1.8trn that would make the borrowing shoot up to N4.6trillion. How can the government get this money? Let's say we borrow, how do we service, repay and sustain it?

On the TSA: The TSA is simply about bringing together the accouns of ALL FG institutions into one. It is simply like having a family to operate one single account instead of each members having different/multiple account. It is NOT A REVENUE GENERATING ACCOUNT! The N2trn is all the monies that belongs to all organs of the FG.


Did you see it in their budget proposal? The man has told you that he won't pay and you are here speaking turanshi


Haba
you are still making mistake not knowing that the social security program is already part of the budget. to think that you want to see it written in the budget is embarrassment to your expected level of understanding. relax and wait till the budget is passed before u start your criticism.
furthermore, you do not have deep knowledge of the TSA. the TSA prevent agencies from their usual way of raising fictitious cheques to mop up non utilize balance from previous budget thereby show there account as having little or no fund, a situation that will warrant them to ask for fresh fund. with the TSA, such unused money now become visible and can be put into the new budget this why it is a kind of "revenue".
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by theshadyexpress(m): 9:33am On Feb 28, 2016
oduastates:
Ideas floated during a campaign does not necessarily mean policy.
It gives you a window into the campaign's priorities and gauge their engagement.
While some are realistic, others are not . A direct welfare program is destined to fail because we simply lack the mechanism and institutions to make them succeed. Starting from a database of who is unemployed to ghost recipients . Even Countries with advanced institutions have welfare policies that are plagued by fraud.
Also in a country with so many people with a sense of entitlement and very few taxpayers, you can expect civil disobedience if the government ever became incapable of paying the money after starting the program.

APC zombies are really pathetic.

so a campaign promise is now a mere idea? for how long and how far do you think you and your party can keep shifting the goal-post, i thought you were claiming PMB is a man of integrity and we all know men of integrity dont have double standards and have a culture of been highly principled especially in the area of honesty. if because of power he can lie to nigerians then we can be sure he is just another pack in the log of deceit crooners that strife for power at all cost.


zombies are really pathetic they die and resurrect in their lies

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by Nobody: 9:34am On Feb 28, 2016
All of una no go go church?

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by swtdrms(m): 9:37am On Feb 28, 2016
First of all Oga barca, where do u belong sef cuz i no understand u again oooo. Support Buhari yday, attack him today.

And ur earlier assertion finally came to past, its not peculiar to Buhari and APC to make a promise and after elaborate deliberation and careful analysis you discover its not attainable, do you foolishly go ahead and keep that promise cuz you don't want to be criticized or you face the reality and declare that its no more attainable. There's nothing wrong with that.

I can't say much about other people, but I as a person, that's what i voted for in Buhari, sincerity and straightforwardness. Facing the reality instead of telling lies, looking for cover ups and giving excuses which is known with PDP.

As earlier stated, its not peculiar to the APC and Buhari, its always part of us. To make projections and plan based on that projection and later suspend/modify or totally do away with such plan are all part of every Organisation and Establishments.

Thank God he didn't deny that such promise was made, he wasn't trying to give cover ups and as well he wasn't giving excuses, he went straight to the point. So there's no problem with that at all.

We've analysed things, so many people criticized the viability of the policy and what resultant improvement it'll bring to the entire social economic system, my only support for the program was based only on the fact that it has been promised. If not for that 1.5trn will go a long way in fixing our dilapidated infrastructure, is it road, power, rail or even security etc.

You are correct, you had deeper thought, kudos to you, but still it doesn't in anyway deduct from the confidence reserve we have for this administration and Buhari himself

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:38am On Feb 28, 2016
oduastates:
Ideas floated during a campaign does not necessarily mean policy.
It gives you a window into the campaign's priorities and gauge their engagement.
While some are realistic, others are not . A direct welfare program is destined to fail because we simply lack the mechanism and institutions to make them succeed. Starting from a database of who is unemployed to ghost recipients . Even Countries with advanced institutions have welfare policies that are plagued by fraud.
Also in a country with so many people with a sense of entitlement and very few taxpayers, you can expect civil disobedience if the government ever became incapable of paying the money after starting the program.
Bros, is this the best you can come up with? That campaign promises are mere idea? Or are you admitting that Pres Buhari and Pastor Osinbajo deliberately played pranks on some gullible electorate? If yes, where lies their sincerity and much-talked sincerity?

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by BeClever: 9:39am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:


There is this APC friend of mine who was a serving Corp member during the electioneering period. She supported Buhari for this singular purpose claiming that "we have enough money to even pay everybody N10k monthly". I am yet to hear from her on her thought on this latest development. grin grin grin


Pls go and find her where ever she may be or hide and get her opinion fast.. Don't fail to report back here as we are waiting to see here face through you.
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:42am On Feb 28, 2016
grin
funlord:
undecided




Nigerians did not vote for buhari because of N5000k! They voted for him because they were sick and tired of the 16 years of directionless, corruption laden, recycle based and incompetent leadership provided by your sorry party the pdp! The last administrations gigantic flaws helped to accelerate the process thanks to ebele and his _moronic pals!



Nigerians wanted to move in a new direction and at least attempt to save their country from all sorts of bandits and certain doom so stop trying to give a dog a bad name in order to hang it!




And you still brought Jonathan into this? Can't you face your troubles and leave the man alone? Is it Jonathan that made the promise on your behalf on several fora? And what is your point sef?

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by Progressive01(m): 9:43am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:

Lemme see he opionion of NgeneUkwenu and Progressive01
Church. Brb.

Edit:

From the word go, I've criticised that policy because I believe there are better things that could be done with such huge amount of money and its unsustainability.

I was all for redeployment of such funds into tangible youth empowerment programs like skills acquisition through the creation of vocational centres and soft loans for start-ups.

Giving a meagre 5k to a Nigerian youth today is just like giving candy to a 5year old- they'd blow it on booze in two seconds.

Can't find the post where I made those remarks but I've always been very critical of the initiative and I couldn't feel happier Baba is looking at other ways to apply the funds.


That said, I don't understand the essence of this thread oo Bros- to grease your ego or what exactly?? Oh, I shouldn't have said that sha cos I remember I'm guilty of doing such in the past. Made an analysis of some political manoeuvres of Jonathan back then and in a couple of days, the New York Times published an article that appeared as though they had read my post on the forum. cheesy

But you sha- your OT na die. Berra make up your mind where you belong oo.
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by eagleeye2: 9:45am On Feb 28, 2016
funlord:
undecided




Nigerians did not vote for buhari because of N5000k! They voted for him because they were sick and tired of the 16 years of directionless, corruption laden, recycle based and incompetent leadership provided by your sorry party the pdp! The last administrations gigantic flaws helped to accelerate the process thanks to ebele and his _moronic pals!



Nigerians wanted to move in a new direction and at least attempt to save their country from all sorts of bandits and certain doom so stop trying to give a dog a bad name in order to hang it!



In a new direction with people like, SARAKI (PDP), AMAECHI (PDP), OBJ (PDP)........ How many of the so called APC stalwarts are originally AD, CPC, ANPC.



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I will always Respect people like TINUBU, FASHOLA, and others who has never been in the old PDP and has always played the opposition than the FRENEMIES of Nigeria in the form of New APC, but has always been PDP.





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Please we should stop supporting rubbish in the name of politics.
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by aresa: 9:46am On Feb 28, 2016
[s]
TonyeBarcanista:
So finally, Buhari has admitted that he won't be able to pay the promised N5,000 to twenty five million unemployed Nigerians? Was this not what I said in two of my articles on April 19, 2015 and April 20, 2015? Where are those that shouted me down and tagged me unprintable names when I wrote those articles out of my patriotic zeal? Before I proceed permit me to cast our minds back to the two articles I painstakingly wrote on this subject.

1. [size=18pt]Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival?[/size]
Written: APRIL 19, 2015
[/s]




Nigerians put PMB in office to do what's best for Nigeria regardless of your usual pointless and thoughtless #PDPhouseOfhunger gyration...

Nigerians kicked jona out of office and elected PMB because of institutionalized looting, stealing, corruption and incompetence, not because of your silly 5000 naira..

Stop boring us with your sociopathic worries..

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by vanguard90(m): 9:50am On Feb 28, 2016
Most people still don't get it, GEJ was voted out cos he failed, not because of some 5k shii. Anybody who went to school would know Nigeria doesn't have what it takes to implement that 5k social program yet, not because we don't have the money but we don't have a good database yet. how'll you ascertain those who are employed and those who are not? How would you know someone who got a job today to delist him from the system? Those are questions we need to answer first.
Forget sentiments, all parties lie during campaigns or didn't GEJ promise to complete the second Niger bridge before 2015. didn't he pledge not to contest a second term?
I've learnt to take politicians with a pinch of salt, but definitely not support someone who already failed, at least I'll try someone else

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:59am On Feb 28, 2016
swtdrms:
First of all Oga barca, where do u belong sef cuz i no understand u again oooo. Support Buhari yday, attack him today.
Me sef no understand...lol! On a serious note, I'm still 100% PDP bros.

And ur earlier assertion finally came to past, its not peculiar to Buhari and APC to make a promise and after elaborate Deliberation and careful analysis you discover its not attainable, do you foolishly go ahead and keep that promise cuz you don't want to be criticized or you face the reality and declare that its no more attainable. There's nothing wrong with that.

I can't say much about other people, but I as a person, that's what i voted for in Buhari, sincerity and straightforwardness. Facing the reality instead of telling lies, looking for cover ups and giving excuses which is known with PDP.

As earlier stated, its not peculiar to the APC and Buhari, its always part of us. To make projections and plan based on that projection and later suspend/modify or totally do away with such plan are all part of every Organisation and Establishments.

Thank God he didn't deny that such promise was made, he wasn't trying to give cover ups and as well he wasn't giving excuses, he went straight to the point. So there's no problem with that at all.

We've analysed things, so many people criticized the viability of the policy and what resultant improvement it'll bring to the entire social economic system, my only support for the program was based only on the fact that it has been promised. If not for that 1.5trn will go a long way in fixing our dilapidated infrastructure, is it road, power, rail or even security etc.

You are correct, you had deeper thought, kudos to you, but still it doesn't in anyway deduct from the confidence reserve we have for this administration and Buhari himself
A serious leader or party would not deliberately make promise wihout considering pros and cons except he deliberately seek to deceive the gullible. When did APC realise tha their proposed package wasn't implemetable? Before, during or after campaign/election? Is I after taking oath of office? Don't they have Analysts, economic experts and strategists? What about the assurance and reaSsurance by officers of the government including the VP after they were sworn-in?

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:03am On Feb 28, 2016
BeClever:



Pls go and find her where ever she may be or hide and get her opinion fast.. Don't fail to report back here as we are waiting to see here face through you.
She is yet to respond to BB Pings....
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:11am On Feb 28, 2016
emzila:

you are still making mistake not knowing that the social security program is already part of the budget. to think that you want to see it written in the budget is embarrassment to your expected level of understanding. relax and wait till the budget is passed before u start your criticism.
furthermore, you do not have deep knowledge of the TSA. the TSA prevent agencies from their usual way of raising fictitious cheques to mop up non utilize balance from previous budget thereby show there account as having little or no fund, a situation that will warrant them to ask for fresh fund. with the TSA, such unused money now become visible and can be put into the new budget this why it is a kind of "revenue".
When did non-utiliSed funds become a revenue? If we budget N1B for a pAricular road and contract wasnt awarded, the TSA only prevent officers of govenment from looting the said N1B. Does Make it revenue generating account? Is it not appropriae to say it is a monitoring account against fraud? Is EFCC and ICPC also revenue generating? Lol


Pls you need to learn some basics sir!

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by caprini1: 10:23am On Feb 28, 2016
funlord:
undecided




Nigerians did not vote for buhari because of N5000k! They voted for him because they were sick and tired of the 16 years of directionless, corruption laden, recycle based and incompetent leadership provided by your sorry party the pdp! The last administrations gigantic flaws helped to accelerate the process thanks to ebele and his _moronic pals!



Nigerians wanted to move in a new direction and at least attempt to save their country from all sorts of bandits and certain doom so stop trying to give a dog a bad name in order to hang it!



But lordy.......just this week someone in the senate just blew over 300m to buy cars.....the looting hasn't stopped,has it?

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:50am On Feb 28, 2016
caprini1:
But lordy.......just this week someone in the senate just blew over 300m to buy cars.....the looting hasn't stopped,has it?
That one was "taking" and not "looting". Only PDP "loot", APC "take".


E be like say oga Lalasticlala and Madam Dominique still de church.
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by ChappyChase: 10:55am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
That one was "taking" and not "looting". Only PDP "loot", APC "take".

E be like say oga Lalasticlala and Madam Dominique still de church.
You got me with the "Loot" and "Take" part!
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by MsGlobalwonder(f): 11:00am On Feb 28, 2016
Owoloku1:
Concentrating on infrastructural development as proposed by Buhari is the best thing anybody can do for Nigerian youths..

Why give us ₦5000 when you can provide an environment for us to make ₦50000 monthly?
that's not the point. He knew about all that when he promised didn't he? Why are you slyly leaving out the crux of the matter. Kai Zombie! embarassed

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by talktimi(m): 11:03am On Feb 28, 2016
aresa:
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[s]Nigerians put PMB in office to do what's best for Nigeria regardless of your usual pointless and thoughtless #PDPhouseOfhunger gyration...

Nigerians kicked jona out of office and elected PMB because of institutionalized looting, stealing, corruption and incompetence, not because of your silly 5000 naira..

Stop boring us with your sociopathic worries..

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:12am On Feb 28, 2016
ChappyChase:

You got me with the "Loot" and "Take" part!
Hahahaahahahha
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by fitzmayowa: 11:16am On Feb 28, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
That one was "taking" and not "looting". Only PDP "loot", APC "take".

E be like say oga Lalasticlala and Madam Dominique still de church.

LMAO @ APC "take"...cheesy grin cheesy
Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by Nobody: 11:18am On Feb 28, 2016
Those promises were made at $100 dollar oil. Not realistic at $30 dollar oil. Leadership must evaluate its decisions at every moments.
Kudos PMB. Yes it is a failed promise. But it is better to made d right decision even though it may lead to failed promises. Even though oil price have started falling during the election, it was still above $60 then which is twice what it is today.

This post is not to defend PMB. This post is to support him for making the right decision. I never agree to the 5000 naira stipend to unemployed graduate. It would have be a waste. But 5000 naira for the most vunerable 1million nigerians (Mostly widows and physically challenge) is welcome if we can fund it. 5k to unemployed graduate is a no no no.

PMB did not deny the promise was made despite the fact that he never personally made d promise. He is only saying on his scale of preference, that is not among top priority. PMB is a firm and sincere leader. He speak his mind straight up. No president in the world including United State of America, have ever succeeded in fulfilling all campaign promises.

At every point in time, a leader must evaluate what he consider most important to d nation and make a bold decision. Leadership is dynamic. It is better to be criticise for not achieving a campaign promise than implementing a promise that is unrealistic just to save face. Even if it means losing the next election,or losing popularity, a leader must put the country first.

The funny thing is dat those wailers who never supported the idea, who said it will promote laziness, will still be the one to condemn and criticise him for not prioritising it instead of commending him for doing d needful.

I am living in governance mode. I dont care about what campaign promise were. I only care about good governance. Any campaign promise that is not realistic today can go to hell. For those who cares so much about campaign promises, you can use ur PVC in 2019 and vote what u want.For those who claim Buhari won the election because of 5000 naira stipend for unemployed are not saying the truth. More than 99% of people who voted for Buhari voted for him because he was seen as much better to fight corruption and boko haram. Not because he promised 5000 naira. I am not even sure he got 100 votes because of the 5000 naira stipend promise.

For that primary reason of fighting corruption and Boko haram, he may not have done it perfectly, but he is clearly better than GEJ. And he was voted because he was considered better in fighting it than GEJ and not because he will be able to fight it perfectly. That is progress, Reduction of negative is positive. For that, he has fulfilled his top two campaign promises.

Leadership is about optimising available resources for the best of the country. Not wasting it on project in order to look good and save face

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Re: President Buhari Vindicates Barcanista By Abandoning N5k/month Social Benefit by brunofarad(m): 11:20am On Feb 28, 2016
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