Muafrika2:
The problem with leaving people to their logic is that it is assumed that everybody is a reasonable human being.

What is logical in any situation will change according to people's self interests, desires, upbringing, reasoning capacity....

Speechless3:
Are you saying logic laws are not constant?

A=B sometimes?

Is 2+2 not equal to 4 irrespective of upbringing, reasoning capacity, self interests, desires?

Speechless3:
Laws of Logic are abstract and not material but atheists say they exist! funny. I mean you cant see logical laws but you believe they exist. How so?

Why are they not consistent in their reasoning when it comes to God? God cannot be seen too but atheists say he must be seen first before they believe? Loooooooooooool

Atheism is unreasonable and illogical if you ask me.

Muafrika2:

Yes.

It depends.

2 + 2 will equal 4 in mathematics. In Chemistry, biology, spirituality, 2 + 2 may equal 1, 2, 3,4, 5 depending on the nature and reactions of the individual and collective units to each other.

(A mad man will have his own answer too)

HardMirror:

Little girl, seriously, just stick to your modeling, you are not cut for "logical" discussions.
Explaining anything to you will be a waste of time, because you don't have the capacity to understand

Speechless3:
Another way of saying "we dont have answers to this"? common give it a try? Just try

Speechless3:
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taurus25:
logic is just the use or study of valid reason............an agnostic atheist stand is that one cant know if god exist or not, so far so good many gods proposed by man has been proved to be inexistent using deductive reasoning hence the disbelief in all gods believed to exist

secondly from the pic in ur op it implies "theres a world we live in, theres no eye withness when it was created" , therefore god created it
, this is an inductive argument , you mean your premise is enough to provide sufficient conclusion for gods existence, whereas this is weak logic

HardMirror:

Ok.
First postulation
You find a car, abandoned, no one knows how it got there.
The atheist does not for a moment think the car was a product of chance.
Reason the atheist can NEVER assume the car was a product of chance. He knows for SURE the car was manufactured by a car manufacturer in this case General Motors (GM). Reason? Because cars are made by men, and there are so many evidences to that. It is not a mystery that needs to be explained. A toyota prado only exists because of the toyota company, the logo and design are all trademarks. The assembly plant can be visited. They have a physical address. There are soo many evidences to back this assertion up.

postulate two
Earth, no one witnessed it's creation, so No god.
Lol. For real?
All we are asking for is evidence, did god create the earth? If you say yes, why do you say yes? Simple.
If I told you I found a toyota hilux on the beach, I can prove it that it did not just appear there, it must have been manufactured by toyota, it is because there is evidence.

What if I told you god did not create the earth but obatala did. Would you believe me simply because you believe toyota must have made a camry you did not withness it's creation?

HardMirror:

Y are you calling everyone? You think you have discovered the nail to atheism's coffin?
Funny girl.

HardMirror:

Beautiful.
I don't even see a relationship between the two premises she presented. Existence of a car is well documented by humans, it's creation was witnessed by humans, humans that made it can speak and bear withness to their work for themselves, it is branded so humans can know who made it.
Earth made by? It's creation witnessed by? The creator of the earth can he speak for himself? Where is the branding that tells us the specific god that made the earth?

Speechless3:


No1 Postulation: What you are saying is that something is only logical if it has been subjected to tests and in this case experiences. That is we cannot know at once that an abandoned car has a manufacturer except from our life experience of seeing cars being made by man. Loooooool. This is faulty because its saying those who have no idea of who makes cars will be right to conclude on seeing an abandoned car that GM does not exist.

Your logic is based on experience, it is no logic. Logic must be true every where at the same time.

Speechless3:


Let me ask, will i become logical if i become an atheist?

taurus25:
logic is just the use or study of valid reason............an agnostic atheist stand is that one cant know if god exist or not, so far so good many gods proposed by man has been proved to be inexistent using deductive reasoning hence the disbelief in all gods believed to exist

secondly from the pic in ur op it implies "theres a world we live in, theres no eye withness when it was created" , therefore god created it
, this is an inductive argument , you mean your premise is enough to provide sufficient conclusion for gods existence, whereas this is weak logic

HardMirror:

No. you not being an atheist does not make you illogical, neither does being one make you logical.
All I ask is, "present a logical reason why you believe god created the earth and not obatala or panku."

onetrack:
Sigh. Atheism is not a philosophy or dogma, and there is no requirement that all atheists be logical. I wish it were the case, but it is not true.

In any case, I know that people manufacture cars because I have visited plants where cars are made. I have not seen gods manufacturing earths or universes and so I cannot say that the earth has any specific creator, or that it was even created by any supernatural being. Very simple.

Speechless3:
Dang, you agree that the laws of logic transcends the world of atheism! You have indirectly agreed that every human irrespective should have these laws. Looooool. And the greatest, you agree that they exist even when youve never seen any

Dont worry about presenting a logical reason why i believe God exists i am already doing that

Speechless3:
No it is not simple. Are you saying a barbarian who has no idea how cars are made or has no past experience at all will be logical if he sees an abandoned car in a bush and then reason it to be as a result of chance?

Weah96:
LOL, in her newly discovered excitement, she forgot to find out what exactly is the position of the skeptic.

The person who designed that silly photo also doesn't understand the argument.

Bring your creator or KEEP quiet. Stop taking advantage of the uncertainty of death. That nobody knows doesn't give you the license to open a business where you tell people where they're going.

taurus25:

have you noticed that thats how religionists argue all the time.....e.g
1) man has digestive system, therefore god exists
2) man has brains , therefore god exists
3) man has blood , therefore god exists
4) the earth has water and is in the goldilockzone therefore god exist.

poor logic!!!

Speechless3:
No it is not simple. Are you saying a barbarian who has no idea how cars are made or has no past experience at all will be logical if he sees an abandoned car in a bush and then reason it to be as a result of chance?

HardMirror:

That is why he is a barbarian. A smart human would always conduct research into his findings to ascertain the origin of his discovery. That is what we are trying to do with the earth, we are working to understand it's origin because we are not barbarians.
Baby girl, are you a barbarian?

Speechless3:

The religionist/man uses his head first. He thinks, if this thing is here, i think someone must have kept it here. That someone has made it is not a question/issue. Thats settled in our brains because we do not ascribe designs/works to chance at any point. Logic 101.

The atheist thinks with his heart first. He is first of all offended that a God will demand for accountability from him. And then he proceeds to question his authority and then his existence. Looooool. Thats backwards.

onetrack:


If he is logical then he will not make any assumptions about what the car is or how it got there. However, I would not expect a barbarian to be particularly logical; he would probably assign a superstitious reason, like the gods put it there.

Speechless3:
LmaO. Okay lets talk about how it got there. If i know how it got there, i would know if someone is responsible or not. Logic 101 Its in your head but you are using your heart. Common try your head for once.

The religionist/man uses his head first. He thinks, if this thing is here, i think someone must have kept it here. That someone has made it is not a question/issue. Thats settled in our brains because we do not ascribe designs/works to chance at any point. Logic 101.

The atheist thinks with his heart first. He is first of all offended that a God will demand for accountability from him. And then he proceeds to question his authority and then his existence. Looooool. Thats backwards.

Speechless3:
Laws of Logic are abstract and not material but atheists say they exist! funny. I mean you cant see logical laws but you believe they exist. How so?

Why are they not consistent in their reasoning when it comes to God? God cannot be seen too but atheists say he must be seen first before they believe? Loooooooooooool

Atheism is unreasonable and illogical if you ask me.