The only objective write up I have seen all day is from siniza.

However,I have come to respect DKs opinion about players over a long time on NL. My only qualms with DK b say the guy fit turn ogbono soup just to win arguments just like oga coogar sometimes.

Also,one person I know to be consistent over the years with his opinion is ibime on this board. Truth be said,he hardly f's up so,I no go blame am for calling out iniesta(though I love iniesta Sha) because na people like DK and Coogar start the craze for stats on here,closely followed by some barca guys.


Incase anyone is in doubt,I have plenty of respect for iniesta and probably will not go as far as ibime in calling him visionless and all because of his poor stats however, I expect some people to have enuff brain not to jump in here and rubbish super super frank lampard because,he does what he does best and no one can take it away from him!

Enough of useless yarns for here pls!!!! If not we go get plenty legends from Spain to Germany to Italy back to England wey we go rubbish for here!

dmcdad:

Bruv, you need not look further than the glaring fact that their club is at its lowest ebb for years now, hence the frustration and misinterpretation of facts.

Na siddon look I dey. The same people crying foul about hypocrisy are the chief hypocrites themselves. When it comes to Lampard vs Zidane or Xavi, then stats doesn't count. But it when it involves Iniesta, then stats come into play. And no one should tell me about formations blah blah blah because at the end of the day, when your stats are put up, no one will include the formation you played in alongside the stats. If they put up Messi's stats, no one would include how he played in a 4-3-3 formation.

Imagine someone saying Hazard is a better passer than Neymar. I mean, how is that person still alive? Some people should just be shot! Hazard with his schoolboy-inspired dribbles a better dribbler than Neymar. Hazard is like JJ Okocha and Neymar like the great Ronaldinho in terms of dribbling. And of course everyone knows what it means. It's not about making dribbles with no vision or end products. The aim is to make a dribble with a view to either scoring or assisting a teammate in scoring.

There is nothing Hazard does that Neymar doesn't do better. Then Neymar has tons of goals and assists to spice things up. And if someone wants us to lay those (goals+assists) aside, then that's fine. We will have to bring in trophies won. Both personal and team trophies won. If we have to include international football to it then it gets worse for Hazard. Or do we have to highlight their big-game performances? Especially in finals?

Abeg which criteria remain sef?

aside the fact that hazard has not been himself this season, we all should know the qualities of a player we argue about. There are qualities hazard have over neymar and vice versa. If you actually know and watch both players, you should know their qualities, keeping sentiments apart.
Whoever does not know that hazard is a better dribbler to neymar, such person does not know the meaning of dribbling. Hazard keeps the possession better. When you pass to hazard, at least there is a 95 percent assurance that he will not lose possession. He also creates more chances than neymar; this is a fact. He has done that even in his worst season.

nonsoroyalty:
when he used the word over i think he meant more or less than 150 he didnt say it was 150 for sure.
How far ur predictions for ur team against the almighty psg

u go fear definition ... lol

chidexxy007:

u go fear definition ... lol

Over = more or less


Roflmao

diggz:


Over = more or less


Roflmao

lol, only in NL.
NLders make una fear God small na

Iniesta actually has 150 career assists including pre professional career ( under 18-21) levels. He has 127 assists in barcelona starting from year 2001 to date and has 23 assists in 107 appearances for country including friendlies, qualifiers and playoffs..
http://www.transfermarkt.com/andres-iniesta/nationalmannschaft/spieler/7600 and this
http://www.transfermarkt.com/andres-iniesta/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/7600

Over means more or less??
Spy keeps converting people

bigkesh:
Over means more or less??
Spy keeps converting people

bigkesh:
Over means more or less?? Spy keeps converting people

his disciples keep increasing.

where is spy360 ooooo?

Greatihex:
aside the fact that hazard has not been himself this season, we all should know the qualities of a player we argue about. There are qualities hazard have over neymar and vice versa. If you actually know and watch both players, you should know their qualities, keeping sentiments apart.
Whoever does not know that hazard is a better dribbler to neymar, such person does not know the meaning of dribbling. Hazard keeps the possession better. When you pass to hazard, at least there is a 95 percent assurance that he will not lose possession. He also creates more chances than neymar; this is a fact. He has done that even in his worst season.

Hazard is a better dribbler than Neymar? Of course! That's because his dribbles results to nothing. Do you know that JJ did more than Ronaldinho ever did? But which of them was more productive with his dribbles? Did I hear you say Ronaldinho? Of course it's Ronaldinho. That's the same case with Hazard and Neymar. Why do you think most EPL fans and even your so-called Chelsea fans term Hazard's dribbles as school-boy dribbles? It's obvious and I need not elucidate more on that. On that note, since we are talking about productivity, Neymar is better. No?

Neymar is a far better passer than Hazard. Hazard doesn't have the vision Neymar possess. Certain aspects of his game are limited due to the presence of Messi. Now this is a fact, nothing less. Messi is the leader of the team and Neymar is his vice. Messi possesses the freewill to play wherever he chooses, as long as he is on the field of play. Neymar's case is different because as long as Messi is on the pitch, his movements are limited. Everything he does becomes limited from dribbles, creating chances and the rest. But when Messi is not on the field of play, then you see the real beast in Neymar.

His chance creation is only limited because Messi is the leader of the team and hence has the ultimate right to create chances at will. You need to know the hierarchical model of Barça to know this. And for the records, you just made a gaffe with your assertion that even this season Hazard has created more chances than Neymar. That's very wrong! Bring up the stats please and mess yourself up. And in order to prove to you beyond every shadow of doubt that Neymar's chances creation is limited because of Messi's presence in the team, it's no news Messi missed 2 months out and that gave Neymar the edge to top the chart for most chances created in La Liga. That will prove to you that what I said about Neymar being limited whenever god-Messi is around is true.

Neymar is a better shooter than Hazard anyday of the week. Hazard will need to be reborn to be able to have Neymar's shooting prowess. And for an attacker, you need to know how and when to shoot, something Hazard needs to learn. Note that I didn't talk about scoring here but just shooting.

Neymar kills Hazard when it comes to taking set pieces. Infact, this is not even an argument. Neymar annihilate him when it comes to taking corners and freekicks. As for PKs, Neymar just started being inconsistent recently, although not like Hazard doesn't miss himself. As for direct freekicks, Hazard is sure afraid of even attempting.

Neymar shows in the biggest stages of games both in club-side football and in international footie. Infact, Neymar thrives in big games more than the average games. It's not a coincidence he had shown in games like the Confederation Cup final (against the then World Champions), the Copa Libatodorres final and even the Champions League final. Not to talk of other stages of the aforementioned tournaments. So, Neymar kills him hands-down.

Neymar draws far fouls more than Hazard. That in itself is a great quality and a great asset to your team. Agreed he dives formally, but even a blind man wouldn't say that anymore. But he has the moves and the trickery to draw fouls from opponents and at dangerous positions too. Hazard does same too, but not at Neymar's level.

Neymar is far far better in making combinational plays with his teammates. He sure knows how to make those quick one-twos that leaves his opponents gapping for air while he or his teammate evades them and thereby bring about a goalscoring opportunity.

As much as he is not very good with his head, he is still better than Hazard when it comes to aerial balls. Hazard doesn't even attempt to make aerial duels because he just can't.

So, I have been able to prove to you that Neymar is head and shoulders above Hazard even without taking goals and assists into consideration. And just imagine the prospect of bringing those in the argument, and one would just render Hazard to be Munir-like. But then, no need to bring on those. Without goals or assists Neymar kills him anyway.

But of course since you guys enjoy merry-go-round(ing), I know you will not rest. But let's see you try.

dmcdad:

Hazard is a better dribbler than Neymar? Of course! Do you know that JJ did more than Ronaldinho ever did? But which of them was more productive with his dribbles?

Bros no vex abeg,na the reasons above naim make us say make we forget this talk.

I saw and bolded where u used the productivity of ronaldinhos dribbles against jjs, so can you tell us why u ain't supporting ibimes claim instead of sebod as regard iniesta?

Please try to include productivity this time. Thanks

Danhumprey:
where is spy360 ooooo?

Le Prof is here.

What does the professor of football think?

Jokes apart...

We must understand firstly that different players playing same roles will offer different results eg Lampard and Iniesta. So it's actually with their influence in games and in their clubs that you can judge who is better.

Lampard is a fox in and around the box, but he struggles to dominate games from the middle, while the opposite would be said of Iniesta. But based on the criterium above, I can take the opinion that...

Iniesta > Lampard

Simply because he has achieved more individually, for his club and also for his country.
Meanwhile...
ZIDANE kills them ALL.

Between Neymar and Hazard...

It is difficult to make a clear call about who is better because both have few years between. Currently Neymar is flying, but Hazard was also last season helping Chelsea to the English title.

Nevertheless, while Neymar was phenomanal for Brazil at the world cup, Hazard was missing. Home advantage? I don't know.

I give my opinion to Neymar based on current form.

Le Prof = specialist in failure.

I hope the guy above me knows that?

diggz:


Bros no vex abeg,na the reasons above naim make us say make we forget this talk.

I saw and bolded where u used the productivity of ronaldinhos dribbles against jjs, so can you tell us why u ain't supporting ibimes claim instead of sebod as regard iniesta?

Please try to include productivity this time. Thanks

Bros, if you have been following the debate from the start, you would see where your ibime claimed Zidane gained world's recognition for winning the world cup and Euro for France and not about his work at club level but crucified Iniesta for winning same international trophies for his country albeit his work at club level.
I even quoted his post and the page for your verification, but all you saw was Tores scoring 38 goals in world cup, an assertion I am still expecting you to correct to avoid misleading people. Regards!

diggz:
Le Prof = specialist in failure.
I hope the guy above me knows that?

You are kreasine.
Element of no respect.

Spy360:

You are kreasine.

Element of no respect.

Thanks oga spy360000 king of okpata yarns

Nihilist has bimfo paid dayo ?

Dayo dem don pay u?

Meanwhile how come iniesta has more champions league assists than lampard?

Meanwhile how come iniesta has more than double the assists that Lampard has for country?

afrodoc2:
Nihilist has bimfo paid dayo ?

Lol that is how you will know an O G. Whatever opinion you might have of ibime and dayo they are Ol gees.

Exhibit A Ibime chinned the bet but was just supporting bimffo from the sidelines ...... O G move

Exhibit B Dayo sidestepped the 150 assists issue and kept the bet at 100 assists ..... O G move

dmcdad:

Hazard is a better dribbler than Neymar? Of course! That's because his dribbles results to nothing. Do you know that JJ did more than Ronaldinho ever did? But which of them was more productive with his dribbles? Did I hear you say Ronaldinho? Of course it's Ronaldinho. That's the same case with Hazard and Neymar. Why do you think most EPL fans and even your so-called Chelsea fans term Hazard's dribbles as school-boy dribbles? It's obvious and I need not elucidate more on that. On that note, since we are talking about productivity, Neymar is better. No?

Neymar is a far better passer than Hazard. Hazard doesn't have the vision Neymar possess. Certain aspects of his game are limited due to the presence of Messi. Now this is a fact, nothing less. Messi is the leader of the team and Neymar is his vice. Messi possesses the freewill to play wherever he chooses, as long as he is on the field of play. Neymar's case is different because as long as Messi is on the pitch, his movements are limited. Everything he does becomes limited from dribbles, creating chances and the rest. But when Messi is not on the field of play, then you see the real beast in Neymar.

His chance creation is only limited because Messi is the leader of the team and hence has the ultimate right to create chances at will. You need to know the hierarchical model of Barça to know this. And for the records, you just made a gaffe with your assertion that even this season Hazard has created more chances than Neymar. That's very wrong! Bring up the stats please and mess yourself up. And in order to prove to you beyond every shadow of doubt that Neymar's chances creation is limited because of Messi's presence in the team, it's no news Messi missed 2 months out and that gave Neymar the edge to top the chart for most chances created in La Liga. That will prove to you that what I said about Neymar being limited whenever god-Messi is around is true.

Neymar is a better shooter than Hazard anyday of the week. Hazard will need to be reborn to be able to have Neymar's shooting prowess. And for an attacker, you need to know how and when to shoot, something Hazard needs to learn. Note that I didn't talk about scoring here but just shooting.

Neymar kills Hazard when it comes to taking set pieces. Infact, this is not even an argument. Neymar annihilate him when it comes to taking corners and freekicks. As for PKs, Neymar just started being inconsistent recently, although not like Hazard doesn't miss himself. As for direct freekicks, Hazard is sure afraid of even attempting.

Neymar shows in the biggest stages of games both in club-side football and in international footie. Infact, Neymar thrives in big games more than the average games. It's not a coincidence he had shown in games like the Confederation Cup final (against the then World Champions), the Copa Libatodorres final and even the Champions League final. Not to talk of other stages of the aforementioned tournaments. So, Neymar kills him hands-down.

Neymar draws far fouls more than Hazard. That in itself is a great quality and a great asset to your team. Agreed he dives formally, but even a blind man wouldn't say that anymore. But he has the moves and the trickery to draw fouls from opponents and at dangerous positions too. Hazard does same too, but not at Neymar's level.

Neymar is far far better in making combinational plays with his teammates. He sure knows how to make those quick one-twos that leaves his opponents gapping for air while he or his teammate evades them and thereby bring about a goalscoring opportunity.

As much as he is not very good with his head, he is still better than Hazard when it comes to aerial balls. Hazard doesn't even attempt to make aerial duels because he just can't.

So, I have been able to prove to you that Neymar is head and shoulders above Hazard even without taking goals and assists into consideration. And just imagine the prospect of bringing those in the argument, and one would just render Hazard to be Munir-like. But then, no need to bring on those. Without goals or assists Neymar kills him anyway.

But of course since you guys enjoy merry-go-round(ing), I know you will not rest. But let's see you try.

how can you be this sentimental. This is the problem i with debating football on this forum, you guys are not always objective. Remember, i said we should exclude hazard's poor season and look at his qualities as a player that we already know.
How can you say neymar draws more fouls than hazard.
Mind you, I didn't say hazard has created more chances than neymar this season. What i meant was that hazard has been able to create good number of chances despite having a poor season.
So it is neymar's dribbles that are meaningful? Is it the same neymar that is accused of attempting silly dribbles for show or another? Let us end this. It is either you are being sentimental or you don't know hazard very well. Even at that, you should know his stats in those aspect.

Nihilist:

So the guy just logged out and has gone AWOL?
Abeg make e come pay up make Dayo buy us kilishi

[s]Hazard is a better dribbler than Neymar? Of course! That's because his dribbles results to nothing. Do you know that JJ did more than Ronaldinho ever did? But which of them was more productive with his dribbles? Did I hear you say Ronaldinho? Of course it's Ronaldinho. That's the same case with Hazard and Neymar. Why do you think most EPL fans and even your so-called Chelsea fans term Hazard's dribbles as school-boy dribbles? It's obvious and I need not elucidate more on that. On that note, since we are talking about productivity, Neymar is better. No?

Neymar is a far better passer than Hazard. Hazard doesn't have the vision Neymar possess. Certain aspects of his game are limited due to the presence of Messi. Now this is a fact, nothing less. Messi is the leader of the team and Neymar is his vice. Messi possesses the freewill to play wherever he chooses, as long as he is on the field of play. Neymar's case is different because as long as Messi is on the pitch, his movements are limited. Everything he does becomes limited from dribbles, creating chances and the rest. But when Messi is not on the field of play, then you see the real beast in Neymar.

His chance creation is only limited because Messi is the leader of the team and hence has the ultimate right to create chances at will. You need to know the hierarchical model of Barça to know this. And for the records, you just made a gaffe with your assertion that even this season Hazard has created more chances than Neymar. That's very wrong! Bring up the stats please and mess yourself up. And in order to prove to you beyond every shadow of doubt that Neymar's chances creation is limited because of Messi's presence in the team, it's no news Messi missed 2 months out and that gave Neymar the edge to top the chart for most chances created in La Liga. That will prove to you that what I said about Neymar being limited whenever god-Messi is around is true.

Neymar is a better shooter than Hazard anyday of the week. Hazard will need to be reborn to be able to have Neymar's shooting prowess. And for an attacker, you need to know how and when to shoot, something Hazard needs to learn. Note that I didn't talk about scoring here but just shooting.

Neymar kills Hazard when it comes to taking set pieces. Infact, this is not even an argument. Neymar annihilate him when it comes to taking corners and freekicks. As for PKs, Neymar just started being inconsistent recently, although not like Hazard doesn't miss himself. As for direct freekicks, Hazard is sure afraid of even attempting.

Neymar shows in the biggest stages of games both in club-side football and in international footie. Infact, Neymar thrives in big games more than the average games. It's not a coincidence he had shown in games like the Confederation Cup final (against the then World Champions), the Copa Libatodorres final and even the Champions League final. Not to talk of other stages of the aforementioned tournaments. So, Neymar kills him hands-down.

Neymar draws far fouls more than Hazard. That in itself is a great quality and a great asset to your team. Agreed he dives formally, but even a blind man wouldn't say that anymore. But he has the moves and the trickery to draw fouls from opponents and at dangerous positions too. Hazard does same too, but not at Neymar's level.

Neymar is far far better in making combinational plays with his teammates. He sure knows how to make those quick one-twos that leaves his opponents gapping for air while he or his teammate evades them and thereby bring about a goalscoring opportunity.

As much as he is not very good with his head, he is still better than Hazard when it comes to aerial balls. Hazard doesn't even attempt to make aerial duels because he just can't.

So, I have been able to prove to you that Neymar is head and shoulders above Hazard even without taking goals and assists into consideration. And just imagine the prospect of bringing those in the argument, and one would just render Hazard to be Munir-like. But then, no need to bring on those. Without goals or assists Neymar kills him anyway.

But of course since you guys enjoy merry-go-round(ing), I know you will not rest. But let's see you try./s] RUBBISH.

nonsoroyalty:

since Nihilist has proved dayo right, am waiting to see if the money will be wired.
Although its of no use cos dayo go spend that money on olosho.

Olosho na him sure pass

Ask dadehmola, nihilist or even Ibime

Depending on the side of town you dey. I get people wey go hook you up with correct Olosho wey get nyash like Toolz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6J_rnIO5Pg

Ibime:


Stop bringing back discredited arguments we have gone over several times.

It's like someone hit you on the head to be bringing up Xavi, Schweinsteiger and Pirlo. Are they Attacking Midfielders?

Zidane, you have confessed you never had your senses when you watched him play. His numbers are good compared to midfielders in 4-4-2 formation in his generation.

You just like to add mouth for no reason with no sense.

Quit repeating yourself. I hate dumb niggas.

Was ballack a productive niggaa for Chelsea. He had 24 assists for Chelsea in his 4 season

Dayo aka Sleekdot, abeg send $50 for that money come my side.

All this provoke wey I dey provoke Bimffo, na agent work I dey do!!!


Nihilist, thunder fire you dia!!!! My mentions right now be like:

Dadehmola:


Kindly help me with numbers for Robert Pires - I wanna kill this 4-4-2 hoax once and for all!

Robert Pires 47 career assists. So go ahead and kill the hoax

airmark:


It's a pity i went offline when this sleekdot ramuzaki made this stvpid statement. By now i would have drained him of 1k. This is example of how dayo would tell lies to win an argument. Over 150 assists ? Iro lo ma pae.

You are a liar. Below are 2 quotes of where i gave you the $1,000 bet option and you ducked like the coward you are

sleekdot:


First show us where they said league alone.

Secondly Are you ready to bet $1000 that Iniesta had no goal and no assists in la Liga 2014/2015?

Put your money where your mouth is. The era of free education is over

I am sure you would run like a coward you are

sleekdot:


You said Iniesta had no goal and no assist in 2014/15

I am asking you to stake $1000 and let me show you that you are wrong as usual

Deal or no deal

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-champions/1838#43560730

Ibime:
Dayo aka Sleekdot, abeg send $50 for that money come my side.

All this provoke wey I dey provoke Bimffo, na agent work I dey do!!!


Nihilist, thunder fire you dia!!!! My mentions right now be like:

I never get alert o. When i get alert I go use the money sponsor party on this thread for your loss to PSG tomorrow

Na your money sef I for like chop. Your lunch money to help you lose weight

How your belle be nowadays sef

Like this

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3472485_img20160307223333_jpeg4afc1547f5460fe8829c64103db9e410

Or like this

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3472482_img20160307223425_jpeg5b8db764cba3a73a661dd2adfcb117c2

Chestar5 what do you think about this 1b1me belle

afrodoc2:
Dayo dem don pay u?

afrodoc2:
Nihilist has bimfo paid dayo ?

I still dey wait for alert o. Doctor you fit help Ibime with gastric bypass?