KingEbukasBlog:


Any kind of knowledge can be obtained from books . Words are written on the pages of books so that knowledge of which is postulated can be gained by the reader .

You need the bible to understand who the creator is and it is through the bible you can learn how to connect to the Supreme creator .

How did I learn how to pray - from the bible

How did I understand the word of God and his plan for me - from the bible

Where do Christian books draw through their words of wisdom ? - the bible

Psalm 119:105



Now do you see the correlation between the quoted bible verse and the aforementioned points ?

Wisdom , a plan for someone is like a light that leads and guides you

Hahahaha so this your supreme creator only can be found in the pages of a book ?

No wonder ...

KingEbukasBlog:


The BOP game is for the mentally indolent ... your responses agree with me .

End of Story !

Abi? You said it

So should we still wait for your proof of your God or you are just gonna keep shifting the BOP?



We are still in chapter 2 of the story

johnydon22:


Hahahaha so this your supreme creator only can be found in the pages of a book ?

No wonder ...

Hahaha ....

Stop playing the BOP game

Prove the universe needs no creator and show us how deluded we are ! Oh sorry you cant but to stay relevant in this discussion you keep playing the BOP game

THis is fun . Who else is seeing how delusional atheists are

LoJ:



Sukkot you dey hear

Must be a Christian or muslim mod to have wiped out all my recent posts

sukkot should take note cus he might be next to chop ban for bolded texts

johnydon22:


Abi? You said it

So should we still wait for your proof of your God or you are just gonna keep shifting the BOP?



We are still in chapter 2 of the story

I have presented mine on the front page ... y'all denied it . So provide yours and shame us

Oh sorry .. again ... there is no evidence that precludes the existence of the creator

KingEbukasBlog:


Hahaha ....

Stop playing the BOP game

Prove the universe needs no creator and show us how deluded we are ! Oh sorry you cant but to stay relevant in this discussion you keep playing the BOP game

THis is fun . Who else is seeing how delusional atheists are

Hahahahaha "The bible"

You should wake us up when this creator gets more than just a book or books and start speaking for himself

You do know that Voldomoth can only be found in the book of Harry Potter? that's it.

Common you do not want to show us this your creator? at least a bit of measurability can suffice

johnydon22:


Must be a Christian or muslim mod to have wiped out all my recent posts

That's where I don't get it. What has all the former post got to do with the issue?

Well, we will get used to your new writing style.

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha "The bible"

You should wake us up when this creator gets more than just a book or books and start speaking for himself

You do know that Voldomoth can only be found in the book of Harry Potter? that's it.

Common you do not want to show us this your creator? at least a bit of measurability can suffice

Lol ... show us why we need no creator

This is becoming really embarrassing .

LoJ:



Sukkot you dey hear

oh really ? dayumm these mods no try at all oooo

KingEbukasBlog:


I have presented mine on the front page ... y'all denied it . So provide yours and shame us

Oh sorry .. again ... there is no evidence that precludes the existence of the creator

Yeah sure robotics ...

If man made robots(complex entity) then man (more complex) can be made by something else and then that something else (even more super complex) don't need to be made by another complex designer

Common just because we have plastic flowers means flowers are designed and not grown slowly from simple cells to a complex result like every other natural value

Boom...

We are still waiting for your proof ... Plastic flowers are not evidence that natural organic flowers were designed .. Chai.

We are still waiting..

johnydon22:


Must be a Christian or muslim mod to have wiped out all my recent posts

sukkot should take note cus he might be next to chop ban for bolded texts

i hope not

KingEbukasBlog:

A bottle of coke for you brother !

Now that's awesome Also bring satchet water for jonydon22

LoJ:

That's where I don't get it. What has all the former post got to do with the issue?

Well, we will get used to your new writing style.

Hahahaha i wonder bro..

Well i might get used to the plain new font

sukkot:
oh really ? dayumm these mods no try at all oooo

You might be next

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha "The bible"

You should wake us up when this creator gets more than just a book or books and start speaking for himself

You do know that Voldomoth can only be found in the book of Harry Potter? that's it.

Common you do not want to show us this your creator? at least a bit of measurability can suffice

You are a proof of the creator's existence, simple.

johnydon22:


Yeah sure robotics ...

If man made robots(complex entity) then man (more complex) can be made by something else and then that something else (even more super complex) don't need to be made by another complex designer

Resorting to disingenuousness ... this is serious . God is eternal

Common just because we have plastic flowers means flowers are designed and not grown slowly from simple cells to a complex result like every other natural value

Boom...

And how did simple cells derive the propensity to become complex . Did they wake up one morning and decided to just find out a way to be complex out of nothing .

Lwkmd

We are still waiting for your proof ... Plastic flowers are not evidence that natural organic flowers were designed .. Chai.

We are still waiting..

Show us proof ... we need proof ... that life needs no designer and everything came from absolute nothingness . If you do this , you shame us .

Is this too hard to prove

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... show us why we need no creator

This is becoming really embarrassing .

You see?

BOP game? really?

We all have seen the workings of nature, no invisible artist is needed in the equation.

So common meeeehn you are still clutching to this to escape providing proof for your god?

You must provide that proof today

johnydon22:
Hahahaha i wonder bro..

Well i might get used to the plain new font



You might be next

they have to show me the law against bold fonts first before i take heed

romans 4 vs 15 where there is no law, there also is no violation.

johnydon22:


These People just don't realize how ridiculous they sound.

The universe must have been started by something then out of no where that thing became a humanoid who didn't know you can't have day and night before the sun and stars can't fall off from the sky, likes the jews, hates others, loves burning flesh and blood and finding their keys and they are having a personal relationship with it but cannot say what it sounds like.

Considering the depth of nature these Gods are just too small..

That is what we call Retar_d raised to power Infiniti..

That's why they love to muddy the argument with unnecessary discussions. I like to keep the argument on point.

If the beginning of the universe speaks, then there's no need for school or work or anything. That's like finding out that there are aliens living in every house on earth. Every human activity should grind to a halt and be relegated to obscurity.

It is not the kind of claim you make while pounding yam. There should be no more need for yams. Every human on earth should be talking about it, everywhere on earth, at ALL times.

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KingEbukasBlog:


Resorting to disingenuousness ... this is serious . God is eternal

Don't forget also Complex? And doesn't need to be designed too even though super complex and your argument maintains complexity must need a designer so voila you killed your God

And how did simple cells derive the propensity to become complex . Did they wake up one morning and decided to just find out a way to be complex out of nothing .

Oh we call that "Strings" the most fundamental particle of everything.. A hydrogen atom (H) vibrates differently (strings) from an oxygen atom .. so once both comes in contact there must be a chaos of reacting differences and the result becomes a complex compound H₂0

it is not nothing actually but something and a very fundamental something to be exact not some enormously complex guy talking from nowhere

Lwkmd

Show us proof ... we need proof ... that life needs no designer and everything came from absolute nothingness . If you do this , you shame us .

Is this too hard to prove

And here we go still running away from providing proof for god?

for someone who is having a personal relationship with the creator of the universe this shouldn't be hard.

We are still waiting for the proof of god stop shifting the burden of proof abge ... ROTFL

sukkot:
they have to show me the law against bold fonts first before i take heed

romans 4 vs 15 where there is no law, there also is no violation.

11. Don't create distracting posts with: ALL WORDS BOLD / huge font sizes /
ALL CAPS / distracting imagesspaces, etc.

Oya now there is a law... I was surprised too ooo

Weah96:


Scientists call it the precursor of the big bang. Some people call it Providence. I just call it the thing that we all came from. Never been big on semantics.

The particular system of nomenclature is unimportant. The claim on the table is that this thing speaks to human beings. I say you're telling lies for the benefit of advancing your own selfish interests. That's where the modern atheist/theist argument is. You say this thing speaks to you, you know other humans that it talks to.

If you were telling the truth, this would be the simple claim to prove.

So you don't have a problem that this 'thing' exists but that he talks to people is where you are objecting?

KingEbukasBlog:








Show us proof ... we need proof ... that life needs no designer and everything came from absolute nothingness . If you do this , you shame us .

Is this too hard to prove

And who holds this position, that life came from nothing? You can't create an imaginary position and force others to defend it.

The argument is that the thing speaks to you and your acquaintances. It isn't unreasonable to doubt your honesty . Are you speaking to this thing or not?

Weah96:


That's why they love to muddy the argument with unnecessary discussions. I like to keep the argument on point.

If the beginning of the universe speaks, then there's no need for school or work or anything. That's like finding out that there are aliens living in every house on earth. Every human activity should grind to a halt and be relegated to obscurity.

It is not the kind of claim you make while pounding yam. There should be no more need for yams. Every human on earth should be talking about it, everywhere on earth, at ALL times.

Very simple my brother.

If you are having a relationship with the creator of the universe then you can tell us what we don't yet know about our universe.

But heck this creator is only subjected to a book.

BIBLE

the same book that thinks that day/night came four days before the sun, stars could fall and the earth could stand still.

Oh crap this creator needs a secondary diploma

winner01:
I made no otherwise claim, You might need to re-read what i wrote on Einstein.
Its obvious you just can't bear the reality of a Creator. You made yourself one hell of a god dude.

Religion may be man-made and ill love to agree with you. But its dishonest when you make this same claim about God.
The fact that religious belief of some sort is found in every culture implies that its hard-wired into us, psychologically or socially or both. It's true many people (especially in Europe) seem to get on fine without it, but even in Europe and other parts of the world, there are millions of believers who find their faith gives shape and meaning to their lives.

It's possible to explain religion in terms of its social usefulness (it helps bind communities together) or as a means of social control (priests act as reinforcers of government power) or as a way of making hard lives more bearable (it is "the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions", as Karl Marx put it). And none of those things are wrong.

But the christian claim is that Christianity has developed to be what it is because it corresponds to something real, because we are responding to something which has been given to us ('revealed'), in Christian terms. Our belief that God, in some mysterious but profound way, 'looks like' Jesus comes from our sense that He is too far beyond us for us to be able to imagine him in any other way than as a human being.

There's something like this thought in the Old Testament, in the prophet Isaiah's great tirade against idol-worship (only, of course, without Jesus). He imagines a craftsman chopping down a tree, cooking his meal and keeping himself warm with part of it and making a god with the rest. "Shall I bow down to a block of wood?" he asks (44:29).

It's tremendous stuff. He senses God is more than any human representation of him can encompass and calls people to a deeper understanding. What he doesn't acknowledge, though, is that the idol-maker, too, has his spiritual urges. He isn't doing religion well, but he's trying, as all people of faith try. And you can either see all religion as just people carving gods out of bits of wood, or you can go with St Augustine, who said: "You have made us for yourself, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in you."

The former atheist, C.S Lewis summarizes my thoughts: “Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.”


Personally, I have one conviction. Jesus Christ lived. And like Swami Vivekananda puts it: If Jesus Christ was not perfect, then the religion bearing his name falls to the ground

Bless you.

ref: http://izquotes.com/quote/111533

This is only relevant to people who have faith. I have no faith. And, no, I am not a god. If you make an extraordinary claim then I want extraordinary evidence.

Whether or not people all over the world find comfort in religion is not important to me, because to me religion is no different than any other empty claim (like all religions).

bxcode:

So you don't have a problem that this 'thing' exists but that he talks to people is where you are objecting?

I'm not objecting to anything. I'm demanding proof which should be very simple to provide. All you have to do is pass the message to the "speaking beginning" and it can take it from there. That's how things were done in the Bible stories.

bxcode:

So you don't have a problem that this 'thing' exists but that he talks to people is where you are objecting?

If that "thing" is described as a measurable even in the least a very fundamental particle that is fine... at least measurable

But when it becomes a complex humanoid **person** (then we now have a problem of complexity again) who likes the jews, has a son, likes smell of burning flesh and you are having a personal relationship with it yet cannot demonstrate that.

at the same time cannot be perceived but needs blind faith as a basis...

then you sir are lying..

johnydon22:


Very simple my brother.

If you are having a relationship with the creator of the universe then you can tell us what we don't yet know about our universe.

But heck this creator is only subjected to a book.

BIBLE

the same book that thinks that day/night came four days before the sun, stars could fall and the earth could stand still.

Oh crap this creator needs a secondary diploma

And yet some atheists claim to be of superior intellect.

It takes a strange person to imagine the only book with a creator in it is the Bible. There are so many religious books out there.

johnydon22:


11. Don't create distracting posts with: ALL WORDS BOLD / huge font sizes /
ALL CAPS / distracting imagesspaces, etc.

Oya now there is a law... I was surprised too ooo

oh shytttttt time to look for a loophole lolz. its says ALL WORDS BOLD meaning i can make SOME WORDS BOLD

Tellemall:


And yet some atheists claim to be of superior intellect.

It takes a shallow person to imagine the only book with a creator in it is the Bible. There are so many religious books out there.

Of course sir there are many and unfortunately they are all still limited by the level of human knowledge and contradictory too

something that supposedly created the universe could have done (known) better.. No?

johnydon22:


Here it lands.

A complex entity is eternal, didn't need to be designed neither did it develop from simpler values but was just eternal ever complex but didn't need a designer.

Here murders the argument of Complexity needs design... You have simply murdered your own argument.

Am sure we have seen how nonsensical that argument remains.

The universe had a beginning the question remains what was the cause?

This is weak! Very weak!

You are simply making repititions to make your post lengthy.
I already answered you earlier. The Creator cant fit into your brains or rather, you cant fit your Creator into your brains.

Why is this?
The answer is simple.
YOU BRAINS WERE CREATED!!!

The bolded proves that my argument is valid and thats why you suggested that a Creator requires another creator.

But now that ive shown you that this Creator has always been (eternal), you've seen that its a dead end and then you've reverted your arguments to a cause so that we can start from there.

The bolded proves my argument is valid and thats why you've changed your question from "who is the creator of the creator" to " what is the cause of creation"

johnydon22:

Now in your own lingual terms the word "God" is used to quantify what began the universe.

Was it Dark energy as string theory shows but heck you call it a God .. lol.
..

I would entertain the thoughts of blind energy creating the universe. But just one thing, As Isaac Newton thought, Blind unplanned force couodnt have created all this.

johnydon22:

When the word "God" becomes a lingual expression to represent what ever caused the universe then that is your own representation.

when it becomes a complex humanoid that loves the smell of burning flesh but in turn does not need a designer then you are not only lying but swimming in abject delusion.

The thing is, this God who created the universe could do anything, i mean anything that would leave you in awe.
A young kid was telling me about God while defecating and a thought flashed accross my mind. "God's not here, this sh*t is smelly. But the fact is He created it.
So yeah i agree he loves the smell of his creations (burning bush and smelly animals inclusive)

johnydon22:

We have all seen where all your argument lands "if the universe has a beginning then God was the acting force behind it" am pretty sure we call the point of universal causality a singularity.

It has been seen that all your argument here centers on employing the word "God" as a placeholder for scientific ignorance... "You don't know what caused the universe then god did it"

Who are this "we", Can you quit being petty
Cause and effect is true (i agree with it). And its also a human created theory.
So cause and effect does not apply to eternal beings or things (energy). Plus we cant create theories for God.

What is this talk about scientific ignorance? Need i name world changing scientists that firmly believed in the Existence of a Creator before "disbelief in God" was included in the definition of science?

johnydon22:

Lol even Ptolemy invoked the design of Zeus when faced with the motion of celestial objects.

The invocation of a deity remains an ever diminishing factor with advancement of scientific discovery.

Serious scientists cant come to grips with an uncreated blind universe and so anyone could invoke anything.

Diminishing factor? What is this:
Please mention how the invocation of a deity impedes science and after that tell me how a disbelief in God helps to propel science.

johnydon22:

You can never explain the universe (complex entity) with an even more complex entity and plead for it to be exempted from design.

If complexity must require a designer then this super complex entity must require one. If not just like you have shown above then your argument has been murdered by you by showing something actually can be super complex without being designed.

whether you hide your assumption behind the curtain of "eternal" your argument remains "complexity must require design" so your designer is complex and must also require a designer.

Repititions? Why To make your reply lengthy?
I've addressed all this.
If your Designer is complex and eternal, then you cant possibly ask for who created what has always been in existence.
Thats is what eternity is all about.

johnydon22:

am sure scientifically energy is an eternal value but in a very simple state and not a complex one... So you see even with the universe having a beginning "a complex humanoid talking to himself still does not enter into the equation"

It by far makes more sense that a simpler value like "Dark energy" through stages of quantum fluctuations developed by the interactions of these simpler values within and these interactions became even more complex as more values interact from the result of previous reactions.

That has always being the way of natural process.
..

So according to you, we were created by naturally "blind" processes, later you will say you dont know. You need to make up your mind.

If blind processes could make a human as extremely complex as you are, then time and chance can also make the less complex robots in KingEbukasBlog pictures.
lol.

johnydon22:

So now you have killed your "Complexity requires design" argument

You wish i did.

johnydon22:

Try again..

This reply is weak man!, Very weak!!. Come up with something better if you can.