skimanski:


I'm talking about what the value will be in a near future. Not now.

Even now I know some guyz that have finished their houses and want to resell as well as some that haven't finished. But they claim the offers they receive do not work for them at all. According to a seller. He might just have to sell for any little added offer and count his losses.

I know, this is what will happen in the near future, but the value might go up in the distant time if there are no more bad news after this one.

skimanski:




At least you people see it from where im coming from. I do not blame these subcribers for killing the over 30 people in the building. I just dont understand why the patronize firms with offers that are too good to be true. Naija People with Awoof!!

The Idea of Affordable housing is fantastic. Its something My team and I are working so hard to bring to the Populace. but not at he risk of the people that eventually subscribe for it. Because this is not a case of Lekki Garden working for the Middle Class people. Its a case of lekki Gardens Using the Middle Class Citizens to Archieve their Selfish Goals.

I am very sure that in the Future most of the Houses will be empty because the Value would have droped so badly, and owners will want to sell off but no buyer and renting will be like nothing to write home about.

It is not the fault of the subscribers who paid and expected quality service. This is like blaming someone for transacting business with you when you fail to deliver on promise. This is why people get away with illegality.

Lekki Gardens never said that they will build a structurally deficient building. It is a willing buyer, willing seller agreement. You can blame the subscribers IF they fail to meet their financial obligations.

The blame rest squarely with Lekki Gardens and the contractors/engineers. Also the government which have oversight/regulatory function also share in the blame.

Lesson for the builders/engineers is for them to be professional in the way they do things. If you are not a professional, get COMPETENT ones to help you. There is MORE to engineering than google and packaging. You dont become an engineer overnight.

There is a REASON why Structural drawings are STAMPED and SEALED. There is a reason why Architects and Engineers are expected to supervise building construction. It is because they are professionally accountable and liable!

Oga Beulah09,

I beg to disagree with reasons on your last comment but I never get energy this morning. I'll give you my position shortly.

Good morning.

In Nigeria, it's very common to chase the people who took bribe while neglecting the people who gave the bribes.

If we don't patronize evil, we will maintain a saner and safer environment.

So the giver of the bribe is culpable as the recipient.

I'm not on the main point yet o!

Excuzeme:


Brabus!
You want to "dash" somebody COREN Certification ...for Free?

Even if you are the Registrar of COREN, you still cant dot that!
But you are not in anyway! And it would be criminal too!!

Seriously, you seem to be alluding that such Professional certifications mean nothing, right.
You cant be more wrong.

Like my Architect (Chartered) will tell you, "Oga, its that Stamp and Seal you are paying for, the drawing itself is not costly and can be done fairly, by any Architect"!
Same goes for a Chartered accountant, software Engineer and any profession where "professionalism" is valued and required.

It reminds me of those illiterates who will say: "Dont mind all these Graduates, there is nothing they can do that we cannot do"!

Just making an "analogy" to emphasise how "those who dont have it, always try to thrash it",.... l know say you be Ogbonge Graduate o! So, dont throw bottle at my head!

I think he is joking with that comment and I don't know why you are very angry with your comment.

I will get certified soon and that will be no big deal to me, I may not even use the title in my name.

The seal and stamp don't make the drawing, that is the mistake we always make. The proper use of mathematical principle and your engineering judgement make it.

On point now, anyone who has a contrary view can take me up on this.

In Nigeria, people generally have two options when it comes to home ownership. One is to build a house from the scratch and the other is to purchase a house built by someone else.

While home ownership is said to be the prayer of every working class, it is not the right option for everyone.
There is no correct or incorrect choice when it comes to taking decision of whether to build or buy a home. Because both come with its attending issues and challenges.

I'll dwell more on Buying a house since it's more related to the ongoing discussion.

Buying a house (not built by you) is an enormous investment for most people and it is very important that people do not rush into a hasty decision. Instead, they need to make a well thought out decision based on their personal circumstances, safety and investment return.

Now, is it safe to say that the subscribers of Lekki Gardens did not make a well thought out decision? They bought because everyone is buying or because of empty promises on paper.

I'm coming back.

abdulwastecx:


I think he is joking with that comment and I don't know why you are very angry with your comment.

I will get certified soon and that will be no big deal to me, I may not even use the title in my name.

The seal and stamp don't make the drawing, that is the mistake we always make. The proper use of mathematical principle and your engineering judgement make it.

Yes he was joking.

There are complex relationships on here. The funnier ones are the passive aggressive ones

I took me a while to wrap my head around Skimanski's position on the subject. The client must be blamed.

I took me some time to understand his Hyundai vs Gwagon analogy.

I'm not going to take Hyundai vs Gwagon position. I'll like to compare apples with apple.
The interesting thing is that most people (subscriber now) don't take the things we painstakingly do here on this forum serious.

Daily updates of activities on construction site is one sure way to curb this type of menace. Not necessarily mean that there won't be issues but it means there are over 100 million people watching over our investment and many times (most people here will agree with me), it works. What you couldn't spot, there are thousand of people who will see them and raise alarm. Why is it different with Lekki Gardens.
Why the hell on earth will someone gamble with N25m without any form of protection or accountability. Not even updates.
I'm just talking sense now. Not the pro bullshit. Because if it is about pros, Lekki gardens have all it takes to get the best and deliver the best. 100% upfront payment from trusting clients can guarantee them that.

Now, talking Hyundai vs Hyundai. I've never seen anyone in the middle class who just wen to buy a car without conducting a DD on the model he likes.
Maybe some people will do so because they believed everything that the automaker promised them. Me think different.

I want to read consumer complaints, the recall rate, the common problems. I want to read everything and anything about the particular model before committing my money. I want to go for a test drive. Not because I don't trust the automaker but because I have my interest to protect.

Now, let's talk Pro!!!!!

Before you talk pro, did the consumers use a pro to conduct a silent investigation of the company, their records and capacity to deliver such project. The Lekki garden I knew do well in delivering terraces and condos, and not MTUs.

This is where the subscribers got it all wrong.

I rest here. Contrary view will be highly appreciated.

EgunMogaji:
This is a picture from the impressive build by Bitswork. I want to get a consensus that this is how it's done.

Basically I'm being told by my Carpenter that the lintel that goes over the balcony is always a coach higher than the doors and windows as shown on Bitswork build.

Is this standard?

PS: Okay I see the same on Spyder880 thread so I think it's normal normal

Yes its the standard but not all circumstances.

Usually, most residential building walls are stopped at either 2 or 3 courses after the lintel, 3 being standard and 4 for high ceiling.

For those who stop at 2 courses after lintel and having a course between the lintel and balcony beam. There will be no more block work after the beam. Also, for such buildings with eave overhang, the eave ceiling may partially or completely cover the beam depending on the height of the roof king post or the length of the eave. This will certainly not aesthetically look good. When the beam is next course to the lintel and with 2 or 3 course above the lintel, their is little likely hood of the eave closing the beam partially or entirely.

My suggestion is if you plan your wall to stop at 2 courses after the lintel with no parapet, cast the balcony beams at same level with the lintel. If their will be parapet, cast beam 1 course above lintel.

Pls house do anybody knows about REALTIME LANSCAPING SOFTWARE? it is used for landscaping design

Came back after 2 days and I had to read about 7 pages of differing opinions, tirades, jabs and that's what makes this place interesting. All sides of the cube have been examined.. Anyways, back to work..

@adanny01 @egunmogaji
It's basically about headroom. For people of claustrophobic tendencies like me, I will even increase the no of courses after lintel. If you also like to hang a chandelier in your bungalow like me, you have to.

brabus:
I took me a while to wrap my head around Skimanski's position on the subject. The client must be blamed.

I took me some time to understand his Hyundai vs Gwagon analogy.

I'm not going to take Hyundai vs Gwagon position. I'll like to compare apples with apple.
The interesting thing is that most people (subscriber now) don't take the things we painstakingly do here on this forum serious.

Daily updates of activities on construction site is one sure way to curb this type of menace. Not necessarily mean that there won't be issues but it means there are over 100 million people watching over our investment and many times (most people here will agree with me), it works. What you couldn't spot, there are thousand of people who will see them and raise alarm. Why is it different with Lekki Gardens.
Why the hell on earth will someone gamble with N25m without any form of protection or accountability. Not even updates.
I'm just talking sense now. Not the pro bullshit. Because if it is about pros, Lekki gardens have all it takes to get the best and deliver the best. 100% upfront payment from trusting clients can guarantee them that.

Now, talking Hyundai vs Hyundai. I've never seen anyone in the middle class who just wen to buy a car without conducting a DD on the model he likes.
Maybe some people will do so because they believed everything that the automaker promised them. Me think different.

I want to read consumer complaints, the recall rate, the common problems. I want to read everything and anything about the particular model before committing my money. I want to go for a test drive. Not because I don't trust the automaker but because I have my interest to protect.

Now, let's talk Pro!!!!!

Before you talk pro, did the consumers use a pro to conduct a silent investigation of the company, their records and capacity to deliver such project. The Lekki garden I knew do well in delivering terraces and condos, and not MTUs.

This is where the subscribers got it all wrong.

I rest here. Contrary view will be highly appreciated.

Again, this is an unprofessional way to think!

When you enter an airline, do you ask them for their maintenance records? Do you know whether the plane was maintained? If there is any mishap, do you blame the airline or the passengers?

Is Lekki Gardens a registered real estate company? Yes

Is Lekki Gardens licensed to do the business that they are doing? Yes

Did Lekki Gardens promised to deliver a safe structure at a stipulated price? Yes

Did the subscriber meet their financial obligations? Yes

Did Lekki deliver a Safe building? NO

So Lekki Gardens is to blame.

In terms of protecting yourself, there are insurance you take. Those that use mortgage to BUY may be in the best situation right now. Depending on the nature of the agreement, the mortgage institutions will go after Lekki Gardens.

The due dilligence a subscriber need is to confirm that Lekki Gardens is licensed to do the business they are licensed to do. It is the government that will determine is Lekki Gardens is able to the job it licensed it to do.

brabus:
Oga Beulah09,

I beg to disagree with reasons on your last comment but I never get energy this morning. I'll give you my position shortly.

Good morning.

You are free to disagree BUT it will not change the fact!

Pick ANY architectural drawing or structural drawing and you will see a small print there showing that the Architect or Engineer is not LIABLE for projects not supervised by him. When you put your stamp or seal on a drawing, you are putting your professional reputation at risk! As an engineer, your license can be withdrawn and prevented from practising for some years. This is not limited to Nigeria. In most climes, there are things you cannot do except you have the appropriate certification/license/competency.

It should not be too difficult to make use of professionals.

Beulah09:


Again, this is an unprofessional way to think!

When you enter an airline, do you ask them for their maintenance records? Do you know whether the plane was maintained? If there is any mishap, do you blame the airline or the passengers?

Is Lekki Gardens a registered real estate company? Yes

Is Lekki Gardens licensed to do the business that they are doing? Yes

Did Lekki Gardens promised to deliver a safe structure at a stipulated price? Yes

Did the subscriber meet their financial obligations? Yes

Did Lekki deliver a Safe building? NO

So Lekki Gardens is to blame.

In terms of protecting yourself, there are insurance you take. Those that use mortgage to BUY may be in the best situation right now. Depending on the nature of the agreement, the mortgage institutions will go after Lekki Gardens.

The due dilligence a subscriber need is to confirm that Lekki Gardens is licensed to do the business they are licensed to do. It is the government that will determine is Lekki Gardens is able to the job it licensed it to do.

Beulah you have been great in your analysis dont mind those charlatans here blaming the subscribers. There is an unwritten code amongst some set of nlanders in this property forum who convert the truth and allow falsehood and jibiti to thrive.
How can any sane person blame the subscribers i just cant believe some group of people here will take such a stance.

I can see your angle. Except that I won't do the following (Pro or no pro):

1. Allow any airline to use me to test run a jumbo aircraft knowing their capacity. As in the case of Lekki gardens switching from condos to MTUs on a reclaimed land.

2. Sit down and assume all is well because I've met my part of the contract by paying up promptly. I still don't see how the money will translate into a good job if their are no check and balances. #common sense.

3. Insurance? I laugh in Swahili. I thank God for those subscribers that they've not occupied the building. Maybe they'll talking insurance in the heavens just as many who turn deaf ear to clear warnings given in the aviation industry.

4. Yea. I agree the subscriber should confirm that the company is registered but there's a lot more than registration. They need to double check.

5. Is there any harm in keeping tab on progresses for quality control and assurances? Maybe because a "Pro" and "Licensed" company is handling the job. We are as good as go to sleep. I believe this mentality led us here in the first place. All government agencies, the subscribers and even you and me, who are now making noise believed Lekki Gardens is licensed and as such do not need to be monitored to cut excesses.

My unprofessional view of this issue.

Beulah09:


You are free to disagree BUT it will not change the fact!

Pick ANY architectural drawing or structural drawing and you will see a small print there showing that the Architect or Engineer is not LIABLE for projects not supervised by him. When you put your stamp or seal on a drawing, you are putting your professional reputation at risk! As an engineer, your license can be withdrawn and prevented from practising for some years. This is not limited to Nigeria. In most climes, there are things you cannot do except you have the appropriate certification/license/competency.

It should not be too difficult to make use of professionals.

What's the fact Baba?

Is it to buy a land? Get a professional architect? A structural engineer with COREN stamp and seal? Pay their bills? Get a builder? Pay his bill? And go and sit down while awaiting your keys?

The major fact is will the license of the architect bring back the dead? Will it bring back the collapsed building?

Are we saying Lekki Gardens didn't meet most of this conditions? Even when the Vice Chairman of the highest professional body (NIOB) in Nigeria confirmed his participation in the first 2 units. If the case is Lekki Gardens didn't meet the conditions or use orofessionals, why are we just talking about it now and not before or during the construction period before committing into the project?

Well, thanks tor making your points. I tend to see things differently.

@EgunMogaji
I don't think people who have replied to your question understood what you were asking.
They are talking about two or three blocks after the lintel.
Yes, mine was made like that too.. the lintel on balcony is always one block higher.
I don't know if that is the standard but it has been done like that in two of my projects. Although I never asked why.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:
@EgunMogaji
Ivdont think people who have replied to yiur question undetstood what yiu were asking. They are talking about two or three blocks after tge lintel.
Yes, mine was made like that too.. the lintel on balcony is always one block higher. I dont know if that is tge standard but it has been done like that in two of my projects. Although I never asked why.

Hajji M.

Thank you Sir, that's exactly what I was asking.

I poured over many pics and they were like that. When I asked my framing carpenter he was shocked at my level of detail. He said they do it that way for headroom and visibility.

To the pros that share pics, to you I say thanks and they are useful.

I wonder.

Everyone has horror stories to tell about Nigerian hospitals. Many people have had terrible experiences there. My own grandfather died in UBTH over a decade ago on one dark night when the doctor gave a diabetic patient a glucose drip.

It still doesn't make sense for me or anyone to say anyone using LUTH or UBTH is partly to blame if anything goes wrong.
If a paying customer does not get value for money, your ire should go to the defaulting party.

Back to LG, it's worth noting that many of those YouTube videos came from estates that people invested in after being suckered by the very first set of buildings Lekki gardens put up.

It's all good to look at things in hindsight, but not all information is readily available at start. Certainly, I'd question the wisdom of anyone buying an LG property now until the Lagos State Government property survey is done.

As far as property values are concerned, it depends on multiple factors. Location and safety are key criteria. You'll still see robust valuation for LG houses in the phase 1 area that pass the Govt audit...especially the ones that aren't in high rise apartment blocks and where sandfilling wasn't employed.

brabus:


What's the fact Baba?

Is it to buy a land? Get a professional architect? A structural engineer with COREN stamp and seal? Pay their bills? Get a builder? Pay his bill? And go and sit down while awaiting your keys?

The major fact is will the license of the architect bring back the dead? Will it bring back the collapsed building?

Are we saying Lekki Gardens didn't meet most of this conditions? Even when the Vice Chairman of the highest professional body (NIOB) in Nigeria confirmed his participation in the first 2 units. If the case is Lekki Gardens didn't meet the conditions or use orofessionals, why are we just talking about it now and not before or during the construction period before committing into the project?

Well, thanks tor making your points. I tend to see things differently.

Not sure if you have ever done an accident investigation or a Root Cause Analysis (RCA) before. If you have, you will realise that there is a process to be followed.

While Lekki Gardens is ultimately culpable, there are people who are the 'root cause' of the problem.

Someone did the design. Was he competent to do the design? Was the design approved? Was the design adequate?

Next will be the builder. Was the construction done according to the design? If the design was WRONG and the builder did his work as per the design then he is 'free'. But if you have a situation where the builder did not follow the design then the builder is in trouble. This is where the issue of use of correct materials, quantities etc come in

Next will be the person that supervised the construction (structural part). Is he competent enough to do the task? He actually is the most culpable!

Now did Lekki Gardens employ competent people at each stage of the work. If they did not then Lekki Garden is in soup. If they did then those employed are professionally negligent and they will have to face the consequences.

There is a reason why professionals take insurance in civilised countries. Let doctors working outside Nigeria tell you the cost associated with taking professional insurance. Unfortunately, people here dont KNOW what is required of them as professionals. Maybe it is partly because the mentality is that of 'quacks'.

All the subscribers of Lekki Gardens will be protected including those that have taken possession.

For your info, a house got burnt in Lekki. The developer advertised the material used in the construction as fire resistant. The owners made sure that government agency conducted a test and confirmed that the materials used are not fire resistant. The developer will soon be in court to explain why he sold an item under false pretense!

Professionals need top be more RESPONSIBLE before they land themselves in problem. If you call yourself an Engineer you better be sure that you know your roles and responsibilities and the liabilities that come with it!

brabus:
I can see your angle. Except that I won't do the following (Pro or no pro):

1. Allow any airline to use me to test run a jumbo aircraft knowing their capacity. As in the case of Lekki gardens switching from condos to MTUs on a reclaimed land.

2. Sit down and assume all is well because I've met my part of the contract by paying up promptly. I still don't see how the money will translate into a good job if their are no check and balances. #common sense.

3. Insurance? I laugh in Swahili. I thank God for those subscribers that they've not occupied the building. Maybe they'll talking insurance in the heavens just as many who turn deaf ear to clear warnings given in the aviation industry.

4. Yea. I agree the subscriber should confirm that the company is registered but there's a lot more than registration. They need to double check.

5. Is there any harm in keeping tab on progresses for quality control and assurances? Maybe because a "Pro" and "Licensed" company is handling the job. We are as good as go to sleep. I believe this mentality led us here in the first place. All government agencies, the subscribers and even you and me, who are now making noise believed Lekki Gardens is licensed and as such do not need to be monitored to cut excesses.

My unprofessional view of this issue.

Brabus, I have seen you 'argue' over issues without knowing that you are digging a hole for yourself.

If a commercial airline use a 'test' aircraft for commercial flights, that airline will be out of business the following day. Every aircraft is certified airworthy but you don't know that! No passenger goes to ask for that certificate before boarding a flight.

The subscribers have no duty at Lekki Gardens work site. They are not employed to supervise the work. Moreover, they are NOT in a position to give instruction on that site. You have nothing to monitor. Actually, you interfering with the work may relieve Lekki Gardens of liability because Lekki Gardens can claim that they are building to your spec! Subscribers are not RESPONSIBLE for quality or schedule on the project. Depending on the structure of the agreement, subscribers can sue a developer for late delivery and ask for COMPENSATION.

Do you supervise Toyota when producing your car? Of course you don't! The agreement is for Toyota to supply you with a 'safe' car. If any car is found faulty, Toyota will recall such cars. Toyota will not blame you for buying a lemon!

I know that in Nigeria, one can get away with murder BUT we should be careful! MTN thought like that until the rule book was thrown at them. Two of their MD's have gone because of that.

Better be aware of the rules governing your profession/trade!

EgunMogaji:


Thank you Sir, that's exactly what I was asking.

I poured over many pics and they were like that. When I asked my framing carpenter he was shocked at my level of detail. He said they do it that way for[b]headroom [/b] and visibility.

To the pros that share pics, to you I say thanks and they are useful.

Yea I talked about it being headroom few posts up

texazzpete:
I wonder.

Everyone has horror stories to tell about Nigerian hospitals. Many people have had terrible experiences there. My own grandfather died in UBTH over a decade ago on one dark night when the doctor gave a diabetic patient a glucose drip.

It still doesn't make sense for me or anyone to say anyone using LUTH or UBTH is partly to blame if anything goes wrong.
If a paying customer does not get value for money, your ire should go to the defaulting party.

Back to LG, it's worth noting that many of those YouTube videos came from estates that people invested in after being suckered by the very first set of buildings Lekki gardens put up.

It's all good to look at things in hindsight, but not all information is readily available at start. Certainly, I'd question the wisdom of anyone buying an LG property now until the Lagos State Government property survey is done.

As far as property values are concerned, it depends on multiple factors. Location and safety are key criteria. You'll still see robust valuation for LG houses in the phase 1 area that pass the Govt audit...especially the ones that aren't in high rise apartment blocks and where sandfilling wasn't employed.

Baba tezzapete,

Don't get me wrong. I'm not putting all the blame on the subscriber but I'm telling they have a part to play. And you all know my position on Lekki Gardens and its contractors.

Sorry for the loss of your grandad. That's exactly the way things run here. We believe every building with a cross sign is a Church. Any building with stethoscope sign is a hospital. Anybody with a COREN stamp is a Pro! (To the pros in the house, I mean no harm).

But here's the truth:

There are specialist hospitals who deals on special cases. My baby broke his arm sometimes in January and I took him to a family doctor (what do I know) who later me to another specialist hospital where they treat such case. It was in the midst of this that I realize the man I met is a Pediatrist and the man they referred me to is an Orthopaedist.
What didn't I do at that time? I didn't let the anxiety or tension to becloud me to think the doctor is stupid because my believe is that. Hospital is a hospital and doctors are doctors. Misdiagnosis can only happen where there's a misfit. It doesn't matter the NAME of the hospital.

No blame. Hope you get my point.

Back to Lekki Gardens, what else do subscribers during launch phase of the Horizon that is not already on ground. I'm talking about the hindsight and the information readily available.
Lekki Gardens before the launch of The Horizon had more than 5 estates where due diligence can be carried out. The YouTube videos that came up in 2015 is from models that were completed in 2013.

But here we are, no one is even mentioning why did Lekki Garden add additional floors in the building? All the presentation drawings on Lekki Gardens website showed only 4 and 5 floor models and not 6 and 7.
Why is nobody (especially the subscriber) making noise when more than 20 units of 5 floor building became 20 units of 7 floor building? Even the govt who claimed they issued contravention order, why wasn't the place sealed up immediately and possession take until developer revert to approved construction? At least, synagogue's case is still fresh in our mind. I believe the wise will pick points and others will blame whoever comes to mind. But the truth is we are our own enemy.

I'm not a subscriber of any of the Lekki Gardens project nor a contractor. Neither a victim but a concerned citizen of this country. The earlier we start to do things right, the better for us.


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If my airline with 285 capacity jet chooses to fly 350 people, I'll quickly ask for a refund.

Beulah09:


Brabus, I have seen you 'argue' over issues without knowing that you are digging a hole for yourself.

Baba

So because I'm digging a hole for myself now I should stop saying the truth.

Is that part of the professional code of ethics? I thought pros put their reputation and life on the line to deliver uncompromising service.

Typical Naija mentality. I get you!


Anyone that isn't right in all that I said above to u can empty them in the Recycle Bin.

My favourite slogan now edited:

Fast and Cheap service on reclaimed land in Nigeria can NEVER be good.

Pick your choice!

brabus:


Baba

So because I'm digging a hole for myself now I should stop saying the truth.

Is that part of the professional code of ethics? I thought pros put their reputation and life on the line to deliver uncompromising service.

Typical Naija mentality. I get you!


Anyone that isn't right in all that I said above to u can empty them in the Recycle Bin.

What is the TRUTH? That subscribers are going to share in the blame? When Lekki gardens get to court, they should have as their defense that the subscribers did not do anything!

IF I give you an EPC contract, it is NOT my duty to monitor you. How much more when I am buying a product from you!

Cheap is a relative term. The important thing is that Lekki Gardens promise to desire a building of certain quality for a certain price for which they entered into an agreement with subscribers. You cannot blame subscribers for not 'knowing' that Lekki will not deliver as promise!

Not sure what is typical Naija mentality BUT if you work in any 'professional' environment and use this line of arguement that your client should have known that the price you AGREE to deliver the product/service cannot be sufficient to deliver the product or service hence your decision to produce a product/service that is not SAFE for human consumption you will be faced with huge penalty that may not allow you to practice again!

Baba Beulah09, I'm not professional. Pls treat my case differently.
I'm just happy the project has not been handed over with live loads increased. Maybe you'll appreciate my way of reasoning much better.

As you lay your bed, so you'll lie on it.

For the records, the Atlantic City project started before The Horizon. You'll see the difference between projects in there. The subscribers of the Atlantic City can build 10 Lekki gardens at once but they choose to wait until all (including the Great Wall of Lagos) that the promoters promised are in place.


So talk to me about Pros using pro and not wisefool using supposed Pros.

Pls note, I'm not holding brief for Lekki Gardens. I'm just trying to advice buyers not to be hasty in making decisions. Not all that glitters are gold. Forget the Pro talk. In few days, we will see the names of those who are involved in the collapsed building project.
Even though I have a feeling, man know man, person know person approach will be adopted since most of the deaths recorded are foreigners.

Beulah09:


What is the TRUTH? That subscribers are going to share in the blame? When Lekki gardens get to court, they should have as their defense that the subscribers did not do anything!

I'm talking about the same truth Ocholi refused to hear.

That you bought 2015 model Lexus does not exempt from road accident if you don't do the safety checks?

Check tires.
Check that the car is not overloaded
Put on safety belt
Maintain the speed limit
Shout on the Overspeeding Professional driver
If he no wan hear, stop the journey and take over your ride.

Of course, Ocholi has the right to sue Lexus for manslaughter because he paid in full.

brabus:
Baba Beulah09, I'm not professional. Pls treat my case differently.
I'm just happy the project has not been handed over with live loads increased. Maybe you'll appreciate my way of reasoning much better.
As you lay your bed, so you'll lie on it.
For the records, the Atlantic City project started before The Horizon. You'll see the difference between projects in there. The subscribers of the Atlantic City can build 10 Lekki gardens at once but they choose to wait until all (including the Great Wall of Lagos) that the promoters promised are in place.
So talk to me about Pros using pro and not wisefool using supposed Pros.
Pls note, I'm not holding brief for Lekki Gardens. I'm just trying to advice buyers not to be hasty in making decisions. Not all that glitters are gold. Forget the Pro talk. In few days, we will see the names of those who are involved in the collapsed building project.
Even though I have a feeling, man no man approach will be adopted since most of the deaths recorded are foreigners.

its because class action lawsuits are not a thing in nigeria

buyers have no business vetting consumer goods - which is what lekki gardens is

if a client is building a high rise or shopping complex or some such, he can engage multiple consultants who would be checking and signing off on other members of the team. individuals do not have the skill set to start accessing every single thing they are paying for.

how do you even do due diligence in something you are not trained in - thats just nigerian gragra

oyb:


its because class action lawsuits are not a thing in nigeria

buyers have no business vetting consumer goods - which is what lekki gardens is

if a client is building a high rise or shopping complex or some such, he can engage multiple consultants who would be checking and signing off on other members of the team. individuals do not have the skill set to start accessing every single thing they are paying for.

how do you even do due diligence in something you are not trained in - thats just nigerian gragra

Oyb,

I built 2 units of detached duplex for a Nairaland in 2012 and the client insisted that they want independent consultants (structural, mechanical and electrical) to double check my work. Each of them had nothing less than 20 years of experience. This is outside the estate project managers and architect who come in at every critical stage of work to check conformity with standard.

Why did the do that? To be sure they bought piece of mind. Not to show off.

Now we are talking about mass production of multi-floor building projects in a reclaimed land. Then I'll fold my arms.

See me as your consultant in this case. Na so I go blame you.

The estate is Diamond Estate, Sangotedo which is not a reclaimed land. You can make further enquiries.