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Re: hh by cocoduck: 8:56am On Mar 12, 2016 |
oyinkinola:please keep quiet if yo have nothing to offer 1 Like |
Re: hh by oyinkinola: 9:02am On Mar 12, 2016 |
mordsith: ...if your (NLM) is not to wage war against nigeria looters and the lootng, then your movement had died on arrival, nigeria had no problems than corruption and he who want to solve nigeria problems must tacked the corruption! |
Re: hh by oyinkinola: 9:05am On Mar 12, 2016 |
cocoduck:....pls hong out, if any nation have ever developed with looting! |
Re: hh by Nobody: 10:37am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Nigeria issue is older than you and didnt start in 1966 by aguyi ironsi....dont mention him ok. The problem started with contraption between different ethnic majority and minorities, between religious and religion which shouldn't be combined by the British colony. For this contraption called nigeria to see the light again, let us remove our eyes from oil-----exactly what brought up Nigeria and biafra war. If the North had oil, they wouldn't lift a muscle to fight biafra to stay, if the west had oil, they wouldn't join the killing spree of biafrans. However, after the war, so much hatred had envelope the heart of average nigerians towards the biafrans and degenerated to high skies... Therefore, the igbos/biafrans still has more than 3.5million reasons not to stay in nigeria... I BELIEVE the north and west that fought the war have natural untaped resources that will be use to develop themselves apart from oil..The Germans, France, Britain, these country does not have oil, yet they developed to enviable height. I still believe it was the northern and western laziness and failure to see beyond oil that made them killed more than 3.5millions souls. I concur to slipt Nigeria. It's a must to support. 1 Like |
Re: hh by Nobody: 11:05am On Mar 12, 2016 |
macfarland: If buhari can support islamic country for secession why dont he support Biafra. He must not turn a blind eyes and kill millions. Biafra》》》》》 First they ignore you● 》》》》》》》》Then they laugh at you● 》》》》》》》》》Then they fight you● 》》》》》》》》》Then You WIN♥ 》》》》 MAHATMA GANDHI |
Re: hh by Deadlytruth(m): 12:34pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
Biafraandpeace: Are you yourself older than Nigeria's issue? If I should not mention Aguyi Ironsi then you too should not mention Awolowo, OBJ, etc, OK? FYI oil had already been discovered in the South-South as at the time Aguyi Ironsi dismantled federalism and replaced it with unitary system which made oil revenue available to all Regions to steal at the centre. Both Yorubas and Northerners kicked against unitary system which was meant to make oil money available to them yet you Biafrans keep alleging that Yorubas and Hausas are only after the SS's oil. Northerners rejected unitary system with riots and shed blood in protest against it despite it was a system promising to make oil revenue available to them. So how logical is your claim that it is the oil the North and Yorubas are interested in? Do a people riot and shed blood in protest against what they are interested in? Was it not your brother Aguyi Ironsi that made South-South's oil revenue available to all other regions in his dubious quest for one Nigeria inspired in him by Zik? Was it not Biafrans that started preaching "one-Nigeria" when it was clear that Nigeria could never really become one? When the North felt it was not ready for independence hence was not prepared to join the South to form a single country was it not a Biafran called Zik that decided to have independence delayed by all means till the North became ready to join Nigeria? Was it not the same Zik who acquiesced to the North's condition that they must be given ruling power if they are to join Nigeria? When Isaac Adaka Boro declared Niger Delta Republic at the same time the North was ready to seceed into Araba Republic was it not two Biafrans, Ironsi and Ojukwu, that drafted soldiers to crush that republic and re-integrate it into Zik's one Nigeria? Biafrans were killed in thousands by Northerners in 1945 and 1953 in Kano and Jos yet Biafrans under Zik's leadership still went to form alliance with Northerner's in 1960. Was that a sensible decision? Was it the fault of Yorubas and Niger Deltans that Igbos formed alliance with a people who had already been killing them and still planned to continue killing them? Divided as Nigeria had been even before 1960 it would have still worked out eventually had Aguyi Ironsi just allowed the equitable federal structure bequeathed on us by the Colonial Masters to stay. Biafrans have used unitary system to cause problems among us leading to looting, marginalization, oppression, etc, and they now want to leave Nigeria so that they can escape the consequences of the unitary system and fraudulent one Nigeria they forced on us while the other tribes suffer it. Do they think they are smart? We will therefore not allow them to go. They must be held back so that we all "enjoy" Zik's one Nigeria and Aguyi Ironsi's unitary system. 1 Like |
Re: hh by kingzizzy: 12:58pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: People like you talk out of ignorance. How can you say that Ironsi destroyed the federal structure when all 4 regions that were the federating units of Nigeria were still there up to day Ironsi died? It was Gowon that came in, abolished the regions,took away resouce control, created 12 states and turned Nigeria into a unitary state. Ironsi never abolished the 4 regions! Get that into your head. In the bid of Gowon and his fellow northerners to exercise complete control of Nigeria, they introduced 'divide and rule' by abolishing the regional structure which Ironsi had maintained |
Re: hh by godoluwa(m): 1:47pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
oyinkinola:hmmm, bi oye re se mo nipa oro ilu yii lo se fo esi. |
Re: hh by Deadlytruth(m): 11:57pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
kingzizzy: And people like you talk out of pure mischief and peddle lies to deceive the gullible. Aguyi Ironsi dismantled the regions and split Nigeria into 35 provinces and set out to draft a new unitary constitution which would suit the operation of unitary system over the new 35 provinces even though the public did not demand a constitution review from him. That showed he had something wicked up his sleeves. Go back and check your books. Aguyi Ironsi promulgated a decree 34 which he himself titled unification decree. If Aguyi Ironsi did not dissolve the regions then what else was his Unification Decree 34 meant to achieve? Get this into your block head. Unification means to make several separate entities to lose their individual identities and become one. Don't you have a dictionary in your house? Aguyi Ironsi was advised against tampering with the regions in any form at all but he arrogantly refused to and even argued that such was the only way his military junta could govern effectively. The Northern officers who staged the counter coup that killed Aguyi Ironsi made it clear that his unification decree was one of the reasons they killed him as the decree amounted to bundling every region together as one single seamless entity under Igbo domination thereby heightening the Igbo domination fears already in the air. Were the Northern officers lying against Ironsi? If Ironsi's action did not substantially alter the regional structure would the Northern counter coup officers have listed tampering with the regional structure as one of his sins? If Ironsi left the regions intact as you want us to believe then why did he not allow the civilian premiers continue in their positions and allow the regions whose premiers were killed by the Igbo boys in Jan 15 to simply conduct parliament elections to quickly replace them? Gowon actually returned us to the four region structure immediately he took over. He did that by his own Decree 59 which he pronounced on September 1 1966 i.e just two days after Ironsi's death and overthrow. If Ironsi's Decree 34 did not alter the status quo at all then why was there the need for Decree 59 by Gowon? But the moment Ojukwu declared Biafra he had to quickly break it down to 12 states as a strategy of war aimed at dividing the eastern minorities against Igbos hence weakening the Igbos towards the war. If Ojukwu had not declared Biafra Republic Gowon would not have broken the restored regions into 12 states. Recall that Gowon clinched power July 30 1966 and Ojukwu declared Biafra May 1967. Now, during the time lapse between these two dates Gowon abrogated Ironsi's Unification Decree and restored the four regions which stayed alive while he and Ojukwu argued over the best system to adopt between confederacy leading to the Aburi Accord meeting in Ghana. In his arguement at Aburi Ojukwu's position was that each region should be allowed a greater autonomy. Now if Gowon had already broken down the region to states as of that moment I don't think Ojukwu would have still been referring to regions in his demands. He would have rather included a restoration of the regions as the first item in his list of demands at Aburi. Of course you can't be demanding for autonomy for regions which were not in existence. You would rather demand for the regions first before demanding for their autonomy. So the mere fact that Ojukwu, a very intelligent officer, did not include restoration of the regions in his list of demands meant the regions were actually existing under Gowon. But it was after arrival from Ghana that Gowon broke the regions to states as a war strategy response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra. Get this logical analysis into your head and stop defending the irreversible evil Ironsi did to this country just because he was of your tribe. |
Re: hh by kingzizzy: 3:18am On Mar 13, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: OMG! You are an example of a Nigerian who does not know Nigerian history. It is really pathetic that so many Nigerians just don't know the history of their country but are quick to shout 'one Nigeria!'. I suggest you google the history of Nigeria and read about the period from January 1966 to May 1967 to cure your ignorance. You said that Ironsi dismantled the regions and created 35 provinces? Can you tell us the name of any one of these provinces Ironsi crated? You don't even know that the four regions were still in place almost a year after Ironsi died? You don't even know that Ironsi was on a tour of the four regions when he was killed? Ironsi was killed when he was on the western region tour, so how can he be visiting the regions if he had already dissolved them? Yes it is true that Ironsi promulgated the unification decree,and he had to do this because military rule is not democratic rule. Every military rule runs on some kind of unification decree. But he did not abolish the regions which is the main thing you are arguing here. You don't even know that the reason why Ojukwu declared Biafra on the 30th of May 1967 was because Gowon had announced the creation of states 3 days earlier on the 27th of May, which was against the Aburi confederal agreement he signed with Ojukwu in Ghana. The 36 states Nigeria has today is a creation of military Governments starting from Gowon all the way to Babangida. So how can you blame Ironsi for unitary rule when he never created any state? Cure your ignorance or start reading books, the North killed Ironsi because they wanted political power, that's always been what they wanted in Nigeria |
Re: hh by Nobody: 3:24am On Mar 13, 2016 |
someday God will bless us with a good leader |
Re: hh by Deadlytruth(m): 6:35am On Mar 13, 2016 |
kingzizzy: You Igbos always try to rewrite history in your dubious quest to defend your brothers. It is you that has not read enough books and therefore need cure for your deliberate ignorance. The question is simply why did Gowon have to issue decree 59 in restoration of the regions if Ironsi did not tamper with the regions at all at all? Rather that logically address this very point and the others I raised showing clearly that Gowon restored the regions meaning Ironsi dismantled them you, in the typical Igbo attitude resorted to expletives and abusive language. You yourself agreed that Ironsi promulgated the unification decree because he assumed that a military junta could not do without some level of unitary system. Then why again are you saying Ironsi did not introduce unitary system? And it is a blatant lie that the military can't operate without some form of unitary system. If so why did Nzeogwu, a military man too, condemn Ironsi for that unitary system and suggested that Ironsi should have adopted confederacy? Why did Northern soldiers who were equally military officers like Ironsi keep warning him against unitary system if it was actually fact that military can't rule without some form of unification decree? What those of you Igbos who always defend Ironsi don't realize is that the January coup was precipitated by a gross abuse of power by the government at the centre over the Western Region as Balewa unduly declared emergency there, sponsored and signed into law a bill by which he retroactively gave himself the power to forcefully install Akintola against the majority wish in the assembly, disobeyed the privy council verdict, broad daylight rigging of the censuses and elections in the South, etc. If the centre could so much abuse the little power it had, then common sense dictated that anyone who sincerely came to correct the system should have further weakened the centre. Nzeogwu therefore correctly suggested confederacy-a system that makes the centre weaker - hence Nzeogwu is still seen till today as the only sincere guy among those coup plotters as he alone suggested confederacy. But Ironsi strengthened that same centre by his unification decree. Was there any logical sense in Ironsi's choice? Was that an Indication that Ironsi was sincere about solving the problem on ground? Ironsi even went as far as removing the term "federal" from Nigeria's official name. Which became merely "Republic of Nigeria" meaning the federating units no longer existed, and someone is still cooking up stories here claiming Ironsi did not dissolve the regions. Gowon's military junta restore the regions fully to the status quo ante and ran them like that for 9 months before the Aburi meeting. So what is this crap that military can't totally do without unification? Ironsi introduced unitary system not because he was sincerely convinced that military can't do without it but because he wanted to fully implement Zik's idea of a fraudulent one Nigeria run on a unitary system that would give Igbos undue advantage over others. Just as Northerners wanted power so did Igbos and more desperately even. The Northerners patiently waited for him to bring the coup plotters to book but rather than do that he began transferring them to Eastern prisons. Was that not a clear evidence of Igbo agenda in his mind? Why then should the Northern officers not seize power from him and kill him? Were they kids? Even Ademoyega, another military guy who wrote "Why we struck" criticized Ironsi for the unification decree. That means Ademoyega knew that a military junta could actually operate completely without unitary system? Ironsi was the most unfortunate thing that ever happened to Nigeria. Your claim that Nigerians shout one Nigeria without knowing history is another blatant revisionism. It was only yourselves the Igbos that invented the "one Nigeria" sloganeering led by Zik. All other tribes warned them that Nigeria was not one and could never become one given the realities on ground but they never listened. So I find it absurd for an Igbo man to hypocritically come online and accuse others of ignorantly shouting one Nigeria. |
Re: hh by peacengine(m): 6:44am On Mar 13, 2016 |
macfarland: |
Re: hh by Deadlytruth(m): 8:18am On Mar 13, 2016 |
Below is the proof that it was and still is a blatant lie that the military junta can't completely do without some level of unification or unitary system: Nzeogwu also accused Ironsi of tribalism, when he told Ejindu in one of his post coup interviews that he did not like everything in his (Ironsi's) administration: Hear him (Nzeogwu): “Yes, everything. First he chose the wrong advisers for the work he half-heartedly set out to do. Most of them were either mediocre or absolutely unintelligent. Secondly, he was tribalistic in the appointment of his governors. Thirdly, the Decree 34 was unnecessary, even silly in fact.” Now, Nzeogwu was a very brilliant military officer who was well read and knew much about military dynamics in politics. That such an officer described Decree 34 as silly meant that he knew that a military junta could actually do completely without any level of unitary system or unification decree contrary to the claim of those who continually seek to make excuses for Aguyi Ironsi's blunder. |
Re: hh by Deadlytruth(m): 1:02pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
[quote author=peacengine post=43723603][/quote] Jonathan was voted into power by the entire South (SW, SS and SE) together with the middle Belt. The Core North hated him, voted against him and shed blood when he was declared winner. But Jonathan abandoned all those zones that voted for him and concentrated all his attention trying to please the Core-North which never wanted him in power in the first instance. He took huge funds generated in the South (where he got his votes) to do projects in the Core North where he was rejected at the polls. He even naively declared in PH that he purposely left his own SS region unattended to because he did not want to appear partial. He acted as if he did not know that Zik, Ironsi, Abiola, and the rest who tried to sacrifice their own people's interests to please the North never actually succeeded in pleasing them but ended up being killed or hounded out of power by them. The only thing that pleases the North is to have their own in power even if he does NOTHING for them. Even if you help their kinsman to get to power they will always reward you negatively. When Zik blindly and foolishly chose to hand them power in 1960, they later used that same power to rig 1962/63 censuses and 1964/65 elections against the same Zik, and till today based on that rigged census Zik's region has 5 states while the NW of the Ahmadu Bello whom he gave power now has 7. Abiola too helped them crush his own brother Awolowo but the same Northerners made sure Abiola's mandate was stolen and got him killed. So Jonathan is to blame for his own political misfortune because he refused to learn from history and was therefore condemned to repeating it and the consequence followed. 1 Like |
Re: hh by peacengine(m): 8:01pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
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Re: hh by mordsith: 10:02am On Mar 15, 2016 |
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