analice107:
'If' I make it, I'll like to watch.

we will by Gods grace

vooks:

I find the subject highly ambiguous or as you said highly related.
May be eniigmar would do well to list all the topics to be discussed so we don't stray into another man's domain

Its all about
1.What it means to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
2.Examples of people that were filled. With the Holy Spirit.
3.How to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

eniigmar:


Its all about
1.What it means to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
2.Examples of people that were filled. With the Holy Spirit.
3.How to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Just these three topics, and you are....you are handling #3?

vooks:
Just these three topics, and you are....you are handling #3?

I mean those are d points I hv to briefly explain under d topic.

eniigmar:


I mean those are d points I hv to briefly explain under d topic.

These are the subtopics but someone else is tackling baptism of the Holy Spirit?

vooks:

These are the subtopics but someone else is tackling baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Yeah exactly.

oyeludef:
after the rapture, we will b leaving the realm of time into the realm of eternity. The earth and inhabitants will av to go tru 3.5 years of the tribulation and another 3.5 called the great tribulation totalling 7 years. Whereas as in heaven, we the Saints(so help us God) will be going through two key events namely the marriage supper of the lamb and the bema sit of Christ. It is at this bema sit of Christ that our works are going to be passed through the fire and many will suffer loss but we are all saved and are all going to get our rewards there. This is the judgment the Saints are going to go tru as no saint will be made to face the great white throne judgment which will occur much later.
While the marriage supper and bema judgment are going on(remember that it is the realm of eternity) seven years of the great tribulation will be passing with d antichrist tormenting d earth

Pls what will happen to those who suffer loss. Does that mean they will go to hell fire?

holahmihdeh:


Pls what will happen to those who suffer loss. Does that mean they will go to hell fire?

no. Dey are saved but their works dat got burnt will not b rewarded that is why we need to be careful of not just wat we do but the intent cos God is concerned about our motives. Why do we join d choir, is it to showcase self? Why do we raise up prayer points is it to slight a brother, why do we do wat we do in service to God? Is there an ulterior motive? Dis are what Jesus is going to judge and reward our works done in love
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV

eniigmar:


Yeah exactly.

They appear to overlap and for this, I'm unable to help

vooks:
They appear to overlap and for this, I'm unable to help

Why nah.

vooks:

Ten minutes?
That is a bit on the lower side if you ask me.
Any message usually requires key definition of terms and in your case, you will need to define baptism of the Holy Spirit(BOHS). A subtopic here would be what it is NOT. Next is the value or purpose of BOHS. After this is candidacy for BOHS. Next is how to receive BOHS, and may be finally hindrances to BOHS

In point form
1. What is BOHS? What BOHS is NOT
2. What is the purpose of BOHS?
3. Who can receive BOHS? Who can't ?
4. How to receive BOHS
5. Hindrances to BOHS

Five points, each takes a maximum 2 minutes. Whatever you do on these points,my ou need to pray and rehearse privately to see how long it takes to deliver them. This ensures you don't dwell on any point for longer than necessary at the expense of the rest. Many believers imagine that Holy Spirit will be your time manager. That is being naive. Rehearsing as you pray helps you to summarize your points.

When in such time constraints, you may not have time to read scriptures, but you will need to quote them. So what you do is , all the relevant scriptures you wish to share with your audience must be memorized at least 80%. This saves you time you'd spend dashing to your bible, reading out aloud and continuing with your point.

If you notice, I haven't shared any scriptures yet, I'm just preparing you with the basics of a sermon delivery especially a quick one.

Something else. Make very clear notes and save them somewhere. You may wish to share with your audience the notes afterwards so they may go through what you skipped or you quickly went over.

Where do prayers come in?
I have seen God give me concentrated/condensed statements that communicate so much in the fewest words. Only God does this without diluting His word

I am not a christian any more but I must commend you, you will be a good teacher

HardMirror:

I am not a christian any more but I must commend you, you will be a good teacher

Not will be sir, he is.

oyeludef:
no. Dey are saved but their works dat got burnt will not b rewarded that is why we need to be careful of not just wat we do but the intent cos God is concerned about our motives. Why do we join d choir, is it to showcase self? Why do we raise up prayer points is it to slight a brother, why do we do wat we do in service to God? Is there an ulterior motive? Dis are what Jesus is going to judge and reward our works done in love
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV

Hmmmm. Thanks for the enlightenment. I now understand better

holahmihdeh:

Hmmmm. Thanks for the enlightenment. I now understand better

uwc sis.

HardMirror:

I am not a christian any more but I must commend you, you will be a good teacher

My brother why aren't you a Christian anymore? Please share with us

eniigmar:

Why nah.

It's splitting hairs allocating the topics to different people. May be whoever did this wanted all of you to participate but this is not the way to go IMHO.

Tell me,
What do you understand by filling of the Holy Ghost

HardMirror:

I am not a christian any more but I must commend you, you will be a good teacher

Thank you for your kind words.
Do you mind me asking what you are? I already know what you are not

vooks:

It's splitting hairs allocating the topics to different people. May be whoever did this wanted all of you to participate but this is not the way to go IMHO.

Tell me,
What do you understand by filling of the Holy Ghost

It means to be empowered and controlled by the Holy spirit.

eniigmar:

It means to be empowered and controlled by the Holy spirit.

Great. How is it different from BOHS?

vooks:

Great. How is it different from BOHS?

Well...with what I know,it is almost not different.

eniigmar:

Well...with what I know,it is almost not different.

You can see my dilemma?
I'm given a topic and subtopics but somebody else is given the SAME , yet am supposed to teach something different

vooks:

You can see my dilemma?
I'm given a topic and subtopics but somebody else is given the SAME , yet am supposed to teach something different

I've written almost 3 pages now.What is remaining is how to. Be filled with d holy spirit.

eniigmar:
Please Brethren I need your help on something improtant.
I have been asked to speak on the topic 'THE FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT' this coming Sunday in the Baptismal class
and our teacher told us that we can ask for help from people around us (especially elder ones).
I'll be so glad if y'all help me out on this.
Thanks.

Cc Analice107, Vooks, Oyeludef, CharlyG1, Superior1, Tjayjosh e.t.c

Ah, anyone remember that famous: ''You need the spirit of God in you before you can fully understand and interpret His word'' cliche

Well, most believers, already have the spirit of God in or on them (i.e. already have ''the Filling Of The Holy Spirit'')
but the thing is, most havent grown out to fill into and fill up the spirit of God they have in or on
Most need to ''beef up or bulk up'' to fill into the Spirit of God issued out


The spirit of God is like the shoes and clothes seen put on in the above picture
For some of us, the shoes and clothes are limp, hanging or swinging loosely on us because we havent GROWN to fill and snug fit into the ''shoes'' and ''suit''

Due to this not bulking up and when the ''shoes'' and ''suit'' arent tight or close-fitting, there would be issues with mobility
Progressing or moving from one truth or revelation to another, will be impeded by the hanging and loosely fitting ''shoes'' and ''suit'' spirit of God

We shouldnt be a sieve, shouldnt be a porous basket, shouldnt be a punctured nylon bag to receiving, like water, the Holy Spirit

Mind you, the indwelling (i.e. presence) of the Spirit happens at our conversion,
and the infilling of the Spirit (i.e. the pouring) happens continually,
hence the need for growth, to beef or bulk up, in order to fill up, so to tightly fit into the poured out Holy Spirit

Create in me a clean heart, O God;
and renew a right spirit within me.
- Psalm 51:10

eniigmar:

I've written almost 3 pages now.What is remaining is how to. Be filled with d holy spirit.

How do you intend to share three pages in 10min?

How to be filled is very simple; just ask
Luke 11:13 (KJV)
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

umehmj:
exactly! they don't ever believe you. as a child growing up, i always see things. even as an adult, once im chaste for about three months without sin or stain, those things kick back in.

as still remember clearly one particular incident. i was in bed with my mother in a hot night. the bed was simulated just below the window and it was open to let in air. my mother got up and went outside to pee, it was her noise at the door that woke me. minutes after she was gone, i looked up the window from where i was lying and behold, a dark image was standing right above me on the window, starring at me. it's eyes are laser red and in contrast with the dark body. I wasn't afraid cos i assumed it was moma. i just smiled at it, but no response came from it. soon it was gone and mom came back inside. I asked her how she can turn her eyes sparkling red and just like every other kid she was impatient with my questions and went back to bed. in the morning i narrated my story to her again but she didn't take me serious. i knew what i saw and though nobody believed me, i knew it was real.

another thing is i have this uncanny memory or i should say a gift. as a grown guy i used to tell my mom my childhood events and things i remember but she swears that somebody must have told me cos those events happened when i was just months old, but then only her was the only witness of those events and she never told me of them. I also see things before they happen, trouble is i don't remember them until they start happening. i remember an event of a fight between neighbors. they started off with a quarrel and immediately i remembered i have seen it happen before. i told the my friend Ifeanyi sitting beside me that the other lady will slap the other woman now and just as i finished saying that the lady landed the slap. i narrated the whole scene like one would narrate a seen movie to a friend that is watching for the first time.

another thing is as a boy, whenever my mom travels to north to buy goods, my nights will always be restless cos in my dreams i will be watching their bus all night long till day break. it more like a bird eyeview following the bus as it travels. when mom comes back i will narrate their journeys and events. many times she will be spooked.

same with me...how can we develop this gift?

Am so sorry to bring back this topic. Concerning the issue of tithes. I understand we should tithe 10% of our income and any cash given to us as a gift. What about if one receive gifts in a material form or any other form that isn't financial, how should one go about that? Please brethren in the house, I need edification on this. Thanks

As many people that set their hearts upon Jesus Christ, and as many lives that have been touched by this thread, May good things always pursue you in the name of Jesus..


Last night I had a dream ... In regards to the revelation about some people listed for death. God gave me the revelation clearer this time..


In this dream, people were in a classroom learning.. This place also looked like a work place.. And I had a female boss who I reported to. The people in the classroom all wore white clothes..


Now there were some other people who also wore this white clothes pretending to be one of the students learning. They just blended in but they were not good people..


After few minutes, these fake people who wore white clothes too got up and drew out pistols and began to shoot people dead.
There was panicking and people grew very scared.

These bad people (about 7 of them) allowed some people to go free, while they shot some dead. Some people were shot but they were only injured. And some escaped.


At a point they started shouting "Charles! Charles! All people bearing the name Charles should come to this side! (their left side)"

I knew it was me they were looking for.. But somehow it was like they couldn't see me or they didn't know me facially.

I saw a chance to escape through the door and I did.

I cannot remember how the commotion ended.

But after a while, After the commotion, people that survived were very few. One of the students came to me and told me a friend of mine named Matthew was shot dead (Matthew is actually an old friend of mine in my secondary school days)
The person who told me Matthew was dead, later said he was alive.

I got confused and asked what he meant. Then he said 'Matthew is dead but he's alive'. He said it twice then I understood.


Matthew means 'gift of God'..
Satan will attack us on this thread and cast doubts about our faith in Jesus Christ, about our testimonies and experiences. He will try to stop this thread or divide us through some people on this thread.

He will attack our faith through some people on this thread that will pretend to be a part of us but are truly from satan.


The attack on us is on our faith and our stand in Jesus Christ.. That we may lose focus here and deny our spiritual gifts which God has given us to use for His glory and that we may be divided like soldiers who have lost a battle.

Some people will be left confused and their faith will be diminished. Some monikers will be inactive on the thread not because they do not have enough spare time, but because their faith will either be weakened or dead. They will backslide and go back to their sinful ways..
Satan wants to cause a division and God has revealed it that we may be prepared.. Prayer is key here.


In the first revelation I had about people listed for death in satan's agenda, one particular friend of mine name 'Chinyere' had died.
Chinyere means 'gift of God' too just the same meaning with the name Matthew'..


In the first revelation after Chinyere had died a friend called 'Ikenna' was to die soon. Ikenna means ' Strength of the Father or 'Power of God'..


God let me know in interpretation that Satan wasn't planning to cause a physical death but a spiritual death by attacking our faith here so that the power of God will cease in our lives.. The death is about dividing the thread, putting out our flames for Jesus Christ.

We may experience difficult moments where we would want to give up our faith in God.. And some people here will start a commotion on the thread.


But I pray that as many of you set your heart upon this.. May your spirit man be charged up by the power of the Holy Ghost.. And may you stand firm in Jesus Christ and not be shaken.. In Jesus Name.. Amen.


Let us put each other in prayer. God is here and He is speaking to us. I love you guys but God loves you more. And the gates of hell will not prevail over us in Jesus Name.. Amen


-Remain blessed

Greenback:
same with me...how can we develop this gift?

What gave you the impression it is a gift?
Or it is a gift, good enough and worthy of developing?

Note that, visions or dreams, depending the source, are gifts or instruments equally used as a divine communication by God and evil or familiar spirits

Visitation by vision, occurs via having powerful feelings or seeing strong clear images in the mind, note not in a dream, of an apparition or spirit.
(e.g. the woman in 1 Samuel 28:11-12, that has a familiar spirit at Endor)

Visitations also occurs in dreams, when one sees powerful or strong clear images an apparition or spirit during sleep in the dream
(e.g. an angel of the Lord, in Matthew 1:20, Matthew 2:13 etcetera appearing to Joseph, Jesus' earthly father, in dreams)

There are two possible objectives of visitation:
to bless (i.e. to create and reassuringly maintain a state of extreme ease, power and sound mind)
or
to curse (i.e. to create and maintain a state of extreme fear, anxiety and distress)

There are at least two outcomes with any visitation:
to lead right, give good tidings (i.e. give good news, good instruction or good information) or give advance notice of something (i.e. give warnings)
or
to mislead, give nightmares, night terrors and bad tidings (i.e. give bad news, give bad instruction or wrong information)

If its same with you as with Umehmj's, where in all his déjà vu accounts, there arent in clear cut signs in his visitations of leading right, giving good tidings or good instructions, giving advance notice of something (e.g. like giving warnings) then before wanting to know how you can develop this ''gift'', why not have a pen and paper ALWAYS near you, so whenever you have visitations either in dream or vision you can quickly write the encounter and events down

This will allow you to see whether it is a gift masquerading as coming from God or not

We ought to test terrestrial and celectial spirits too,
just as in 1 John 4:1, where we are advised, to test the spirit-man (i.e the spirit behind the man)
because as soon as or when the spirit gains a proper foothold will mislead the easily deceived and/or lead many astray

Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name.
I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them;
they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds
- Jeremiah 14:14

This is what the LORD Almighty says:
"Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
- Jeremiah 23:16

⁸"For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel,
'Do not let your prophets who are in your midst and your diviners deceive you,
and do not listen to the dreams which they dream.
⁹'For they prophesy falsely to you in My name;
I have not sent them,' declares the LORD.…
- Jeremiah 29:8

Satan is a liar. I really feel vexed in my spirit.

By the special grace of God, I will be sharing in details, the workings of the Succubus/Incubi evil spirit.. the sex demon that comes mostly at night to sleep with men and women.
I will also share on how to overcome this stubborn spirit by the grace of the Lord.


May God cause deliverance to happen. Come with your hearts prepared as God will shake this thread tomorrow in the name of Jesus.. Amen.

God bless you all.

vooks:

How do you intend to share three pages in 10min?

How to be filled is very simple; just ask
Luke 11:13 (KJV)
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

hello Mr vooks why ask for the Holy spirit? Going by the account of Eph1:13 i kinda think its an automatic thing; open your heart to believe on the Lord Jesus, and you have the Holy spirit instantly in you.

MizyB:
hello Mr vooks why ask for the Holy spirit? Going by the account of Eph1:13 i kinda think its an automatic thing; open your heart to believe on the Lord Jesus, and you have the Holy spirit instantly in you.

MizyB, vooks is no spring chicken and knows this already

By the way, the automatic thing you referred to, as in Ezekiel 36:27, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Corinthians 6:19 and 2 Timothy 1:14, is what is called, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, it is automatic upon conversion or believing like you said

The infilling of the Holy Spirit, however, as in 1 Corinthians 6:19, John 16:13 and John 14:16 -17 & 26, is continuous continual flowing or pouring for us to fill in or fill out to receive as much as we are able to

Note the spirit was already in the disciples but Jesus still promised this infilling spirit

I just love 1 John 2:27, because the genuine anointing teaching mentioned in it, is the Spirit of Truth talked about in John 14:17

And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.
But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
- 1 John 2:27

MizyB:



hello Mr vooks why ask for the Holy spirit? Going by the account of Eph1:13 i kinda think its an automatic thing; open your heart to believe on the Lord Jesus, and you have the Holy spirit instantly in you.

Tell me what Jesus was talking about in that verse.

MuttleyLaff has said it all.
What I can add is salvation is wrought by the Spirit of God. The WORK of joining a forgiven sinner to the body of Christ is wrought by the Spirit. In this regard, every believer has Holy Spirit in them

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

On top of this work, the Spirit is said to be a deposit, a surety of our inheritance as you said in Ephesians 1:14.

But what persuades me that there is a need for continuous filling is the following;

[size=18pt]1. In Acts, the disciples were filled with the Spirit anew AFTER Pentecost.[/size]
Acts 4:31 (KJV)
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

The same group of whom it is said
Acts 2:4 (KJV)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

I consider it to be analogous to recharging. Just as we constantly pray to recharge, the filling is continuous. Note the second instance was not manifested by spiritual gifts, just boldness to be witnesses. This equips us for daily living

[size=18pt]2. Paul counsels or rather instructs us to be filled[/size]
Acts 5:18 (KJV)
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Remember he is writing to believers, who are already Spirit filled as you pointed, who have Holy Spirit as a seal/guarantee of their inheritance. If he is talking about the same thing, this is redundant as much as is telling someone who has just showered to take get wet.

This is what I believe every child of God should desire, a Spirit filled life. It is not historical but continuous. And this is what I believe Jesus is telling us that the Father is more than eager to give us.

I find it curious that Paul considers this experience or life a substitute for drunkenness. The reason for this I believe is because there are similarities between the two. In both, one loses/cedes control of their faculties. I desire and pray that all of us may be filled anew in Jesus name

Cc
eniigmar