plaetton:


Thank you.

Now, our Intelligent Design friends would point at the earth's orbit as being perfectly arranged for for stability and life.

But they forget that it took the Earth about 1 billion years of CHAOTIC wobbling just to establish what now looks like a very perfect and stable orbit around the sun.
Even at that, the Earth still wobbles, talkless of the fact that a large passing comet can and has interrupted the earth's orbital trajectory from time to time.

That you and others actually subscribe to this is quite unfortunate.

I wonder why the earth hasn't been obliterated by or caused an obliteration of various other planetary bodies during its billions of years of wobbling and why we still have a standard environment thanks to its billions of years of wobbling and i wonder why it hasn't crossed the perfect and stable trajectories of other rotating bodies too.

Weah96:


We were in fact created by something. Johnydon22 postulates that it was the mysterious dark energy. Others claim that it was another universe. Deists claim a supreme being. Nobody really knows. Except YOU guys and the Muslims.

Scientists don't know.

Atheism : We are created by something but it can never be God

Do you how see how repugnant that is ?

Joshthefirst:
That you and others actually subscribe to this is quite unfortunate.

I wonder why the earth hasn't been obliterated by or caused an obliteration of various other planetary bodies during its billions of years of wobbling and why we still have a standard environment thanks to its billions of years of wobbling and i wonder why it hasn't crossed the perfect and stable trajectories of other rotating bodies too.

This was what came into my mind when I saw his comment . Why hasn't earth been destroyed yet after ALL THESE years

KingEbukaNaija:


This was what came into my mind when I saw his comment . Why hasn't earth been destroyed yet after ALL THESE years

he'll probably have a comeback like the earth's mass and shape has been drastically changed due to various obliterations over the billions of years. chai.

A simple matter of 'what is nature?' but we had to take the digressionary path into going round and round talking nonsense with ill defined terms. How deflating!!

Joshthefirst:
he'll probably have a comeback like the earth's mass and shape has been drastically changed due to various obliterations over the billions of years. chai.

His responses are so bad that they are now being anticipated

KingEbukaNaija:


Atheism : We are created by something but it can never be God

Do you how see how repugnant that is ?

Nah. Human beings in our current form are generously a 200K yr old species. The universe is billions of years old, and has witnessed the deaths of many stars and galaxies over that period.

You're telling me that all of that happened just so that Kingebukasblog could one day ask silly questions on the internet after eating his ogbono soup?

Joshthefirst:
That you and others actually subscribe to this is quite unfortunate.

I wonder why the earth hasn't been obliterated by or caused an obliteration of various other planetary bodies during its billions of years of wobbling and why we still have a standard environment thanks to its billions of years of wobbling and i wonder why it hasn't crossed the perfect and stable trajectories of other rotating bodies too.

It's quite a difficult challenge debating or discussing with someone who is aversive to science and scientific facts.

The Earth has endured numerous cosmic catastrophies in her 4.7 billion yr history, including extinction level collisions with other cosmic bodies.
In fact, the earth's geology, and ecology has been largely shaped and bear witness to such catastrophic collisions.

In our solar neighborhood alone, we see so much evidence of cosmic collisions in almost every planet.
Mars, Neptune, Uranus, our moon, all bear scars and characteristics of cosmic Chaos and collisions.

Just last year, scientists confirmed that our Earth had more than one moon in her early days, and that the others were either sneered away by other larger galactic interlopers or had been smashed into pieces.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160129090451.htm

Stop acting ignorant, Josh.

KingEbukaNaija:


Atheism : We are created by something but it can never be God

Do you how see how repugnant that is ?

Oh gosh!

You keep repeating the same lie to your self over and over again ( just like your Lord's prayer) , and then convince yourself that it must be true.

Science never ever uses the word "CREATE or CREATION" to describe possible origins.

How many million times do we need to keep reminding you ?

Creation involves magic, something from nothing.

Science deals with laws, chaotic arrangements and evolving processes.

Everything in nature speaks to us of continually evolving processes, not magic, not abracadabra.

KingEbukaNaija:


This was what came into my mind when I saw his comment . Why hasn't earth been destroyed yet after ALL THESE years

It's always funny, and annoying, when people argue boldly from a position of ignorance.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160129090451.htm

PastorAIO:
A simple matter of 'what is nature?' but we had to take the digressionary path into going round and round talking nonsense with ill defined terms. How deflating!!

Threads evolve in all directions once the floor is open.

It would be unrealistic to expect opinions to fall only within a narrow scope just to satisfy the OP.

Joshthefirst:
he'll probably have a comeback like the earth's mass and shape has been drastically changed due to various obliterations over the billions of years. chai.

Well sir, if you have been reading your science textbooks like a serious student hungry for knowledge, you wouldn't be here showcasing stark ignorance.

And yes, the earth's geology, as well as her current ecology is a product of her violent and chaotic past.
That is a fact, not merely plaetton's opinion.

Joshthefirst:
That you and others actually subscribe to this is quite unfortunate.

I wonder why the earth hasn't been obliterated by or caused an obliteration of various other planetary bodies during its billions of years of wobbling and why we still have a standard environment thanks to its billions of years of wobbling and i wonder why it hasn't crossed the perfect and stable trajectories of other rotating bodies too.

Scientific facts are not subscriptions. They are not religious beliefs one chooses to subscribe or unsubscribe.

plaetton:


Oh gosh!

You keep repeating the same lie to your self over and over again ( just like your Lord's prayer) , and then convince yourself that it must be true.

Science never ever uses the word "CREATE or CREATION" to describe possible origins.

How many million times do we need to keep reminding you ?

Creation involves magic, something from nothing.

Science deals with laws, chaotic arrangements and evolving processes.

Everything in nature speaks to us of continually evolving processes, not magic, not abracadabra.

Why are all your claims easily refutable

plaetton:


Scientific facts are not subscriptions. They are not religious beliefs one chooses to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Facts ? Or assumptions ?

Like the FIVE theories that try to explain the formation of the moon

Or the TOP THREE theories that try to explain the origin of life forms on earth

Do you see you we are against purporting spurious assumptions as facts

plaetton:



Science deals with laws, chaotic arrangements and evolving processes.

Everything in nature speaks to us of continually evolving processes, not magic, not abracadabra.

Laws that came from where ?

And how did natural processes derive the propensity to evolve ?

Processes are designed to follow laws . In engineering , robotics etc

KingEbukaNaija:


Laws that came from where ?

Laws came from the Tooth fairy.

Are you OK with that ?

KingEbukaNaija:



And how did natural processes derive the propensity to evolve ?

Silly question.

Same way that a rock thrown into the air derives the propensity to fall down earth.
You get the drift?
I doubt.

KingEbukaNaija:



Processes are designed to follow laws . In engineering , robotics etc

This is far far too silly to warrant a serious reply.

You fall my hand, young man.

KingEbukaNaija:


Facts ? Or assumptions ?

Like the FIVE theories that try to explain the formation of the moon

Or the TOP THREE theories that try to explain the origin of life forms on earth

Do you see you we are against purporting spurious assumptions as facts

You are a computer science student, but you don't know the meaning if science.
Pitiful.

Scientific theories are not, and are far far from being spurious assumptions.
Stop messing with words in order to sound smart.

An example of a spurious assumption would be something like god having a son, but no wife.

UyiIredia:
You can't expect a good answer form evolution-loving atheists who exist on the intellectual low ground. In any case, I believe nature was intelligently designed and when we see man making many coded digital devices that use codes like life does and make machines with lots of interacting parts we are seeing man make complex functional systems similar to life.

But that is an extrapolation! You are matching details of one circumstance with details of another circumstance with the belief they have the same causative effect. It is only right to admit the weakness of extrapolation of human creativity to the creation of the Universe.

KingEbukaNaija:


Why are all your claims easily refutable

The Mail Online is a 'science' SITE?

PastorAIO:
A simple matter of 'what is nature?'

Nothing's ever really simple on NL.

Hi Anony, welcome back. Going through the thread, will contribute where I can.

Kay17:


But that is an extrapolation! You are matching details of one circumstance with details of another circumstance with the belief they have the same causative effect. It is only right to admit the weakness of extrapolation of human creativity to the creation of the Universe.

An extrapolation you simply aren't willing to make because you are blinded by materialistic bias.

KingEbukaNaija:


Why are all your claims easily refutable

I didn't realise that the Daily Mail was a scientific journal.

plaetton:


This is far far too silly to warrant a serious reply.

You fall my hand, young man.

It wont kill you to ask someone to explain

Pictured below is a robot that can solve the Rubik's cube in just 1.047s . How does it work ? The robot was built by plugging separate motors supported by a 3D-printed frame into drilled holes in a Rubik's Cube. There are four webcams that are hooked up to a computer to determine the state of the cube's colors very rapidly . Now for the cube to spin very rapidly , the weight is considered and the speed of the motors has to be right to carry the weight of the cube for best results .

The robot has an algorithm which determines which moves need to occur for the cube to be solved quickly . But if the cube is too heavy , it will be solved slowly regardless of how fast the algorithm implements .

PastorAIO:




I didn't realise that the Daily Mail was a scientific journal.

Well , it has a science section so ...

plaetton:


You are a computer science student, but you don't know the meaning if science.
Pitiful.

Basically in AI , nature is emulated but why would I describe my emulation as intelligently designed but not what is emulated

An example of a spurious assumption would be something like god having a son, but no wife.

Kind of the same question asked by Weah96 , the same reply you'll get :


Funny Guy . The Trinity - God the Father , The Son , The Holy Spirit .

The Father and The Son - are as revealed by the creator , the members of the Godhead . Jesus is not God’s Son like the human father and a son. .

Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form . Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit.

The same way God is called "a He" - its all about the perception of man of God as He revealed Himself unto man .

The three are eternal - they are one , have always been , is , will always be . Its never gona end . So learn to deal with it

I suggest people stop taking plaetton seriously. His talk of chaos is trash. As Ive said there is a limit to what chaos makes and to suggest that all nature is birthed from chaos is simply foolish.

plaetton:


Laws came from the Tooth fairy.

Are you OK with that ?

The Logic of God and Everything is what you need to understand

UyiIredia:
His talk of chaos is trash. As Ive said there is a limit to what chaos makes and to suggest that all nature is birthed from chaos is simply foolish.

Lol.

And we should just ignore mathematics , and take your word for it ?

Brilliant, simply brilliant.