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Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 1:01pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:Then it will be fair to consider the whole post and not just the part. Would you repeat this same question to the Inspirer of Paul when he wrote this: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4 |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 1:03pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200: That 'receiving and manifestation' is behavior modification which takes human effort. How is it a gift? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 1:07pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:That is a statement on itself capable of being examined by itself. Whatever else you said does not add nothing to it. Holy Spirit helps you keep the Law is your point. Paul kept the Law without the Holy Spirit and without Christ and he fled all these only to keep the law again? Are you serious? Would you repeat this same question to the Inspirer of Paul when he wrote this:You spoke of KEEPING the Law not the righteousness being fulfilled. Do you know the difference between KEEPING and FULFILLING? Romans 8:1-4 (ESV) 1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 1. There is no condemnation 2 observe the contrast between Spirit of LIFE and the law of SIN & DEATH...life in the Spirit vs sin & death 3. The righteous requirement of the Law is death to all who break it, who sin. This is what Christ condemned in the flesh', and once condemned nobody condemns you. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 1:41pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:Now where did I say that? No condemnation if we walk in the Spirit.Further below it says we will reap the wages of sin, if we walk in the flesh (Romans 8:13) |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 1:43pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:Because it is received. And effort here is more of watchfulness to ensure that we have not fallen from the faith and/or grace and this calls for regular self-examination. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 1:45pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:It is a Life expressed through faith and depending on the Indwelling Spirit. (The Fruit of the Spirit is the outworking of that which He works in us) |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 2:17pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:This discussion has reached a point where we are going in vain circles. I'll let Scholar proceed with you. He's got a higher degree of patience than I. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by michaelwestern(m): 2:57pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Please, do you keep all the commandments in the old testament? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 3:01pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
michaelwestern:In the NT, the question should be what progress are you making in walking in the Spirit? Because that is the only way we fulfil the righteousness of the law. Romans 8:4. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 3:09pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
michaelwestern:Never seen the sense. It's not a covenant am part of. I only strive for one law in the new testament, which is the law of my blood covenant with Christ: Love God, and love your neighbours as you love yourself. I can tell where this is going so I'll take a short cut. I have already answered the question of the difference between the old and new testament righteousness. Which you will agree with me is different from the righteosness on the new testament. I'll quote my earlier response to your brother on page 2, post 77, Muafrika2: |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 3:59pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:You q mind reader or something? I felt the same way with you. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:01pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:It is honestly childish denying your own posts Once again, are you better at keeping the law? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:03pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Excuse me, exactly WHAT is received? Good manners? Jesus died so you can have better manners and you receive better manners from him? Mr Scholar8200, are you righteous? Do you have the righteousness of Christ? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:04pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:And the question is , this 'life' is dos and don'ts? Do you have the righteousness of Christ mr Scholar8200? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:06pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Loving God and your neighbor are part of the Law, hope you know that. No need for Legalists scampering from their beliefs. Muafrika2, are you righteous? Do you have the righteousness of Christ? (A) Yes (B) No (C) Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't (D) I'm not sure |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 4:19pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks: ![]() Yet you just can't resist, vooks: If you are devoid of the works of righteousness, call it the law or any other thing to excuse yourself, am sorry to inform you that you have no place in the Kingdom of God. Because the Kingdom of God is righteousness. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:20pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Muafrika2, Are you righteous? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 4:21pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:A. Yes |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:23pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 4:26pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:Yes. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:27pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:You have the character of God as per Muafrika2's definition here? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 4:27pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:Just be kind enough to show me where I advocated keeping the law. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:28pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Did you not post that you are helped keep the law? Scholar8200: |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 4:28pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:What is received: Life. 31 but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31 |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:30pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Bro this is ETERNAL LIFE not a lifestyle. Wake up 1 Like |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Scholar8200(m): 4:41pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:And what is Eternal Life? A quality of life or a quantity sans end? And when do we receive Eternal Life? At death or now? For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more [certain], now that we are reconciled, that we shall be saved (daily delivered from sin’s dominion) through His [[g]resurrection] life. Romans 5:10 (AMP) The highlighted is my focus. {one thing about these discussions is that God help us to press further in their practical realities, Amen.} 1 Like |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:43pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Dear Nairalanders, Scholar8200 & Muafrika2 have assured me that if God possesses any character, one needs to look no further than in in their lives to see this character manifest. These are righteous folks |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 4:46pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks: Yep, Not perfect but there alright, and am working on what is remaining with alot of pain. Do you believe it's impossible? Just crucify your self and see. Muafrika2: |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:46pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:I don't manufacture my theology out of interpolation and paraphrases. |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by Nobody: 4:51pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
vooks:How can we not if we share one Spirit? Your creator lives in me. I am the righteosness of God. Not a joke. 2 Corinthians 5:21 | For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:53pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:Working hard to receive a gift 'Not perfect' means you don't possess God's character. At what point does one declare they are righteous, that they possess God's character? When they are lightyears even by their own generous estimation away from 'perfect'? You received this righteousness by faith but in reality it is an illusion you keep on chasing? Do you believe it's impossible? Just crucify your self and see.You have crucified yourself and hence you are qualified to declare to all and sundry that God's character is all you are! How can it be impossible? |
Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:54pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:What are you working on if you are ALREADY the righteousness of God? What a conundrum of theology! The way of the ![]() |
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