vooks:
Dear Nairalanders,
Scholar8200 & Muafrika2 have assured me that if God possesses any character, one needs to look no further than in in their lives to see this character manifest. These are righteous folks

That is the Divine purpose just as the Father was fully revealed in the Son:


For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
Romans 8:29

It is a Gift of God's Grace that we be made partakers of the Divine Nature and we partake by faith. But of course, we grow in Grace meaning there will always be greater heights as we are transformed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of God.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2Peter 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
2 Corinthians 3:18

May God help us, Amen.

Scholar8200:

That is the Divine purpose just as the Father was fully revealed in the Son:

May God help us, Amen.

God help you with what, you ALREADY have the righteousness of God, the very character of scholar8200 is God's!

vooks:

Working hard to receive a gift
'Not perfect' means you don't possess God's character. At what point does one declare they are righteous, that they possess God's character? When they are lightyears even by their own generous estimation away from 'perfect'?
You received this righteousness by faith but in reality it is an illusion you keep on chasing?
You have crucified yourself and hence you are qualified to declare to all and sundry that God's character is all you are

vooks:

What are you working on if you are ALREADY the righteousness of God? What a conundrum of theology!

vooks:

I don't manufacture my theology out of interpolation and paraphrases.

From your posts it's obvious. I don't know whether it's a certain book you read and are basing all your points (all of which so far) have been questions challenging scripture without providing any to the contrary.

So am curious, what is the basis of your theology?

Muafrika2:

From your posts it's obvious. I don't know whether it's a certain book you read and are basing all your points (all of which so far) have been questions challenging scripture without providing any to the contrary.

You possess the Avery character of God, but when pressed you concede that you are not yet there... Are you celebrating prematurely?

So am curious, what is the basis of your theology?

You have the Spirit of God, discern

vooks:

God help you with what, you ALREADY have the righteousness of God, the very character of scholar8200 is God's!

Well, this is God's expectation when we receive His Grace, this is what it should produce in us :

15 but as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1 Peter 1:15,16

And that happens as we receive grace for grace and move from glory to glory being renewed in our mind. That is why Paul said this after he said he wanted to be found in Christ having His Righteousness:

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Phil. 3:13-15

Is this pursuit optional? NO

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Phil 3:18,19

Stay Blessed.

vooks:

You possess the Avery character of God, but when pressed you concede that you are not yet there... Are you celebrating prematurely?

What do you mean. I already have something you are (indirectly) confessing you don't have. It's a privilege!

You have the Spirit of God, discern

You won't like it...

Scholar8200:

Well, this is God's expectation when we receive His Grace, this is what it should produce in us :

Is this pursuit optional? NO

Stay Blessed.

You possess God's character mr Righteous Scholar8200, all God helps you is that righteousness in you to produce something. The gift is free but it's fruit is your job

Do you ever sin? When last did you sin Mr Righteous Scholar8200?
Can't recall that, no?

Muafrika2:


What do you mean. I already have something you are (indirectly) confessing you don't have. It's a privilege!

What are you painfully working on? And what do you mean by 'not perfect'? I thought you either possess righteousness or you don't

Muafrika2:
Yep,
Not perfect but there alright, and am working on what is remaining with alot of pain.

You won't like it...

I'm not here to 'like it'

There he goes again with another round of questions while avoiding the scriptures he is given. Vooks, stop being lazy and scroll back up and read. You also may need to change pastors. Get someone who is not afraid of the truth.

Muafrika2:
There he goes again with another round of questions while avoiding the scriptures he is given. Vooks, stop being lazy and scroll back up and read. You also may need to change pastors. Get someone who is not afraid of the truth.

Like you who possess the very character of God, the very righteousness yet 'not perfect' and working hard on what remains with pain'?

Mr Righteous Muafrika2, do you sin?

Oh well,

At times. Because the flesh can arise. That's why it has to be crucified daily.

Do you sin vooks? If yes, how does your "we don't have to do anything theory" fit in all this. If not, liar.

vooks:

Like you who possess the very character of God, the very righteousness yet 'not perfect' and working hard on what remains with pain'?
Mr Righteous Muafrika2, do you sin?

Other vooks questions already answered that I see coming....

Muafrika2:
Oh well,

At times. Because the flesh can arise. That's why it has to be crucified daily.

So Muafrika2 despite being armed with God's character 'not perfectly' is still a sinner
So you oscillate from righteous to unrighteous.....pendulum theology
What are you, the end that 'at times' is a devil or the other end which is God character?

vooks:

So Muafrika2 despite being armed with God's character 'not perfectly' is still a sinner
So you oscillate from righteous to unrighteous.....pendulum theology
What are you, the end that 'at times' is a devil or the other end which is God character?

Muafrika2:
Oh well,
At times. Because the flesh can arise. That's why it has to be crucified daily.

Do you sin vooks? If yes, how does your "we don't have to do anything theory" fit in all this. If not, liar.

Other vooks questions already answered that I see coming....

r
First answer my question then I'll answer yours again smarty.

Muafrika2:
r
First answer my question then I'll answer yours smarty.

Yes I do sin Muafrika2

Mr Muafrika2 Devil 'at times' and God's character at other times, what are you?

Scholar8200 and Muafrika2,

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is God's requirement. This is righteousness of God, of Christ. This is what Paul gave up the Law to attain. Are any of you Legalists PERFECT as our Father in heaven?

Well if you make the accusation of Legalism, what part of the NT has been contravened thus far? State it and in clear times and with Bible references . (without the latter I will take whatever is said as your opinion and leave it at that).

Scholar8200:
Well if you make the accusation of Legalism, what part of the NT has been contravened thus far? State it and in clear times and with Bible references . (without the latter I will take whatever is said as your opinion and leave it at that).

Legalism is the fantasy of attaining PERFECTION/righteousness as demanded by God through conduct and lifestyle.

The one single verse you contravene..actually fall short of is
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Unless and until you are PERFECT as your Father in heaven, you have no right to call yourself righteous. And this is why you are scratching your heads with your tail between your legs because you sure know that not only have you fallen short of Matthew 5:48, you are the furthest thing from it. And there are no proximates, no 'almost there'; either you have it or you don't

Cc Muafrika2

vooks:

Yes I do sin Muafrika2

Mr Muafrika2 Devil 'at times' and God's character at other times, what are you?

Am more than righteous. Am the very righteousness of God. My imperfection is due to a continuous process of growth. Which will be complete for all elect only at the end of the age.

That's why there is hope for people with living flesh like you. So long as the flesh remains denatured you can produce the righteosness of God. The flesh is continually warring against the spirit. And its very presence is sin before God. You kill it by resisting it's nature.

Scholar just posted about the ongoing growth into perfection based on scripture, Which of course you did not notice;

It is a Gift of God's Grace that we be made partakers of the Divine Nature and we partake by faith. But of course, we grow in Grace meaning there will always be greater heights as we are transformed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of God.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2Peter 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
2 Corinthians 3:18

So back to you, do you you ever transform from that character of the devi in your state of sin to righteousness?

Muafrika2:


Am more than righteous. Am the very righteousness of God. My imperfection is due to a continuous process of growth. Which will be complete for all elect only at the end of the age.

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Righteousness is God's perfection in character,attitude,and behavior. If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time

That's why there is hope for people with living flesh like you. So long as the flesh remains denatured you can produce the righteosness of God. The flesh is continually warring against the spirit. And its very presence is sin before God. You kill it by resisting it's nature.

If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous!

Scholar just posted about the ongoing growth into perfection based on scripture, Which of course you did not notice;

Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless. This is what qualifies him to be our propitiation. If you hallucinate about attaining sinlessness as His at any point I wish to remind you you will perish in your sins. Think about what happens if you perish now before your hypothetical future point t where you will have 'grown into perfection'

So back to you, do you you ever transform from that character of the devi in your state of sin to righteousness?

You are a total babe in fundamentals of Christianity; the righteousness of Christ. No amount of character transformation and behavioral modification earns you PERFECTION or righteousness of Christ

vooks:


Legalism is the fantasy of attaining PERFECTION/righteousness as demanded by God through conduct and lifestyle.

The one single verse you contravene..actually fall short of is
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Unless and until you are PERFECT as your Father in heaven, you have no right to call yourself righteous. And this is why you are scratching your heads with your tail between your legs because you sure know that not only have you fallen short of Matthew 5:48, you are the furthest thing from it. And there are no proximates, no 'almost there'; either you have it or you don't

Cc Muafrika2

If living in righteousness, truth and goodness is now legalism. Then that's all I want to be. But know this. If you are a tree claiming to be a mango tree yet your fruits are bananas, it's because you do not have the nature of mango trees. You are a fraud. I'll use Christ's example;

Matthew 7:17 |
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Now not everybody that calls on the name of God is God's. You can confess God with the mouth and your heart be in rebellion. The difference between the two kinds of people is in their fruits.

Muafrika2:


If living in righteousness, truth and goodness is now legalism. Then that's all I want to be.

This is all good. The problem is all life you can possibly live 'in righteousness,truth and goodness' still falls short of God's requirements-Isaiah 64:6
Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfil thy Law's demands

But know this. If you are a tree claiming to be a mango tree yet your fruits are bananas, it's because you do not have the nature of mango trees. You are a fraud. I'll use Christ's example;

Matthew 7:17 |
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

The problem again is you are a total babe to fundamentals of Christianity. Why was Jesus sinless?

Now not everybody that calls on the name of God is God's. You can confess God with the mouth and your heart be in rebellion. The difference between the two kinds of people is in their fruits.

This is Pharisee spirit stirring in you. By your own confession you STILL sin, you still produce bad fruit( and probably good)
What are you an orange tree occasionally yielding lemons or a lemon tree occasionally yielding oranges

Pay attention as I lead you out of Legalism and confusion

vooks:

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Righteousness is God's perfection in character,attitude,and behavior. If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time


If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous!


Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless. This is what qualifies him to be our propitiation. If you hallucinate about attaining sinlessness as His at any point I wish to remind you you will perish in your sins. Think about what happens if you perish now before your hypothetical future point t where you will have 'grown into perfection'


You are a total babe in fundamentals of Christianity; the righteousness of Christ. No amount of character transformation and behavioral modification earns you PERFECTION or righteousness of Christ

You see the colours, those are the important scripturally baseless points you have finally made. I dare you to support them with scripture. And then I will debase them with scripture. Otherwise you have points to make that are baseless apart from human inventions, and more important, contrary to Gods word.

Muafrika2:

You see the colours, those are the important scripturally baseless points you have finally made. I dare you to support them with scripture. And then I will debase them with scripture. Otherwise you have points to make that are baseless apart from human inventions, and more important, contrary to Gods word.

Let's start with the first point. Biblical definition of righteousness. First, you are the one who (correctly) observed that God's character is what he measures man's righteousness with. If you want to chase your own tail and 'debase' your own posts, be my guest

What I have done is to God's character I have added attitude and behavior.

Hush my broda, I by God's grace will lead you to GRACE. You will be creaming and barking but the freedom is worth it. Never again will you have to work to earn your salvation. This is tiresome and an exercise in futility. Like all Legalists, you are not even sure of your salvation. What if Christ returns during those 'at times' when the devil does a number on you? You will miss rapture I know the fear of Legalists too well. I was one of them, but thanks be to Holy Spirit who delivered me from shackles of legalism into grace. See if there is one thing worse than the Law of sin and death, it is to concoct an admixture of faith and works. This yoke will break your back oooo

Second point Muafrika2

If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time

Remember, I'm following YOUR (and Scholar8200's) definition of righteousness as CONDUCT, behavior that mirrors God's character. Since God never sins, if you purport to possess God's character, and you go in and sin, then you don't possess His character!

The third point Muafrika2,

Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless

Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Peter 1:18 (KJV)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless.

Fourth point Muafrika2

If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous!

Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing. Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away!

I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both

vooks:


Let's start with the first point. Biblical definition of righteousness. First, you are the one who (correctly) observed that God's character is what he measures man's righteousness with. If you want to chase your own tail and 'debase' your own posts, be my guest

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What I have done is to God's character I have added attitude and behavior[/size].

Typical. Thanks for the confession.

Errm...

Hush my broda, I by God's grace will lead you to GRACE. You will be creaming and barking but the freedom is worth it. Never again will you have to work to earn your salvation. This is tiresome and an exercise in futility. Like all Legalists, you are not even sure of your salvation. What if Christ returns during those 'at times' when the devil does a number on you? You will miss rapture I know the fear of Legalists too well. I was one of them, but thanks be to Holy Spirit who delivered me from shackles of legalism into grace. See if there is one thing worse than the Law of sin and death, it is to concoct an admixture of faith and works. This yoke will break your back oooo

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The floor is yours broda.

I'll ignore the points you can't base on scripture.

Point 3,
Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless

vooks:
The third point Muafrika2,
Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:18 (KJV)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless.

To this, I submit to you, that Christ did not attain perfection in his days on earth. He was righteous, not perfect. That's why He refused to be called good. He had put on flesh, and flesh in itself is imperfection,


Matthew 19:17 |
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

He became a curse at death. Remember the phrase.."father, why have you forsaken me?". Does it mean he stopped being the righteosness of God, going by your reason?



Galatians 3:13 |
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

vooks:
Fourth point Muafrika2
Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing.
Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away!

Can we have an example with time in between? He was righteous alright. At the baby stage. Like me. Whenever I die, Ill be with Christ in paradise too. But any who, do you think his maturity (you seem to believe there is such a thing as mature Christians like you and babe's like me) was up to par with Paul, or with this guy who received the following word;


First, according to scripture, grace grows -

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2Peter 3:18

And Christians are continually changed into God's image. That's the real meaning of maturity.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
2 Corinthians 3:18

I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both

RIIIIIGHT

Muafrika2:
Typical. Thanks for the confession.

Errm...

The floor is yours broda.

I'll ignore the points you can't base on scripture.

Point 3,
Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless

The third point Muafrika2,
Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:18 (KJV)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless.
To this, I submit to you, that Christ did not attain perfection in his days on earth. He was righteous, not perfect. That's why He refused to be called good. He had put on flesh, and flesh in itself is imperfection,


Matthew 19:17 |
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

He became a curse at death. Remember the phrase.."father, why have you forsaken me?". Does it mean he stopped being the righteosness of God, going by your reason?



Galatians 3:13 |
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Fourth point Muafrika2
Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing.
Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away! Can we have an example with time in between? He was righteous alright. At the baby stage. Like me. Whenever I die, Ill be with Christ in paradise too. But any who, do you think his maturity (you seem to believe there is such a thing as mature Christians like you and babe's like me) was up to par with Paul, or with this guy who received the following word;


First, according to scripture, grace grows -

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2Peter 3:18

And Christians are continually changed into God's image. That's the real meaning of maturity.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
2 Corinthians 3:18


I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both
RIIIIIGHT

We continue tomorrow God willing or Monday. The Lord's Day can be hectic for me so if I don't post tomorrow, I pray that you bear with me.
Have a restful night my brother, and may the Lord continue enlightening us in His Truth....its a pleasure to have these debates. Thank you for your time. Totally appreciated.

vooks:

We continue tomorrow God willing or Monday. The Lord's Day can be hectic for me so if I don't post tomorrow, I pray that you bear with me.
Have a restful night my brother, and may the Lord continue enlightening us in His Truth....its a pleasure to have these debates. Thank you for your time. Totally appreciated.

Cool

vooks:
Second point Muafrika2


Remember, I'm following YOUR (and Scholar8200's) definition of righteousness as CONDUCT, behavior that mirrors God's character. Since God never sins, if you purport to possess God's character, and you go in and sin, then you don't possess His character!

While you overlook all the emphasis I made on Life and expression thereof as the flesh is mortified by the Spirit? this is not too fair.

Scholar8200:
While you overlook all the emphasis I made on Life and expression thereof as the flesh is mortified by the Spirit? this is not too fair.

You have not defined righteousness other than insist it is CONDUCT/BEHAVIOR bla bla....Life/Expression....all empty cliches. To you righteousness is CONDUCT. Tune in tomorrow for Christianity 101:Righteousness

Scholar8200:
Perhaps you need to re-read the Op.


Noted.

That's because you did not discern what the thread is trying to address.

Quote this directly as stated by me

Because all is appropriated by faith and we CAN fall from the faith if we do not take heed.


Judgest thou? What then does the New Covenant promise of God writing His laws in our heart mean to you?

Kindly show me where I said that.

Now answer, did Jesus fulfil the law or abolished it? Quote relevant references.

And faith worketh by love meaning no love means no faith! "If any man has not the Spirit of Christ , he is none of His" etc Ever found these in Scripture?

Quote where this was written so that you can get more clarifications

He that shall endure to the end shall be saved. What does that mean? We are not of them that drawback unto perdition... What does this imply?

Be sure to quote where I said this and I will explain.



Taking this issue, if one became sick again and does not appropriate by an active faith this Provision does he get healed

You are treading thin ice here!!! Why didnt you finish that passage that says there is no condemnation ONLY for those who walk after the Spirit and not the flesh??


there are misrepresentations here; only God knows if they are inadvertent (needlessly) or deliberate.

While I appreciate your misleading reply, I still have some words for you.

I still stand my gap to say that the grace of God is nothing but UNMERITED FAVOUR. Otherwise should be considered as heresy.

Note: if grace is unmerited, then it is merited. But, this is as bad as blaspheming against God.

Oh, I can now understand you.
In your misunderstanding of what we mean as grace, you think we mean freedom to sin, but really, law is the power of sin and not grace.
Rom 7:7-12; according to paul, he hadn't known lust if the law hadn't said "thou shall not covet".
Rom 3:20; "......for the law is the knowledge of sin"

Now according to the scripture which is contrary to your thought, grace is a PERSON in the person of Jesus. John 1:14; "....full of GRACE and truth." So we conclude that jesus is grace and at the same time, jesus himself is the gift of eternal life that no one can merit it. Then, you want to know what we deserve?
Rom 6:23; "For the wages of sin is death(which we deserve), but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE(which we can never deserve)....."

And we also conclude that jesus and grace cannot be separated because jesus is grace and grace is jesus, anything more than or less than that should be considered as heresy.

You are misunderstanding faith+grace. Faith is nothing than "to believe" in grace(jesus). Faith is just a connection line to grace. Without faith, you can't have faith, the same applies to people we believe in grace(jesus) + their right living. Because you can't mix grace to right living, doing that means grace(jesus) only cannot not give you eternal life, so you have to help him with your right living.

Don't pollute the grace of God(jesus) in your life!


The ONLY thing that should make a christian to live rightly is not salvation prayer or believing in christ's finished, neither it is fear of hell fire(worst of all) as many christians do, but the LOVE of God that is poured in our heart. But, despite the love in our heart and we do something wrong, we are NOT condemned but justified in christ, because the christ's work justifies us not only when we do bad but FOREVER(both bad and good).


Finally, you asked if the law was abolished or fulfilled by jesus. But before I answer that(with 37 verses), I will give you a concise answer.

The law was ABOLISHED at the cross and at the same time FULFILLED in us at the resurrection, only if we believe.
Col 2:14; "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law written by moses) that was against us, which was contrary to us, TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY and NAILED(abolished) it at the cross."

Rom 10:4 "For christ is the end of the law of righteousness to everyone that BELIEVETH(not believing and then, living according to the law)

Rom 8:4; "That the (abolished)law of righteousness might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit"

Please, I will like to explain that rom 8:4 very well to avoid you misinterpreting it.
Walking after the flesh doesn't never meant sin, because we sin everytime due to our inability to keep the law, but thanks to Jesus that he JUSTIFIES US. Walking in flesh means being carnally minded, having the thought that our salvation that was given to you as a gift cannot be maintained by faith alone but by faith + right living which leads you to
sin-concious, guilt-concious, trusting in your works of righteousness, living by law as to be seen righteous before God which finally give a product called FAILURE"

Walking in spirit doesn't mean; right living or holier-than-thou, NO! But living in the consciousness of your righteousness being FOREVER FREELY justified by christ, being grace conscious and refusing to frustrate the grace of God by trusting on your right living as a way of maintain the Gift of God which is eternal life. But please, how do you think that your righteousness can maintain what it was so filthy that it couldn't earn?

That verse is talking about the DEMAND of the law of righteousness, which is to make us righteous before God, being fulfilled in us. That's why we are made righteous by faith and not keeping of the law. No! Because christ took our penalty for our failure to keep the law and now the righteousness that we were striving for, has been established and made perfect in christ ALREADY.

And if paul was talking about living by the law then christ is in vain(the bible speaking), because up till now you still lack the ability to keep the 10 commandments and 630+ laws given in the old testament, even after the accepting the holyspirit.

Note that the law is against wearing clothes of diverse colours, sorts or wool, building of staircase, using balcony to build house, eating fish with scales and many more. Then if by that, as you are defending the law, we all are on or express way to hell.

So now when anyone believes in christ, the righteousness of Jesus is imputed on him by FAITH ONLY, any other way is an established righteousness. The righteousness of God(jesus) CANNOT be imputed on you by the way you live rightly, by faith(just believing the fact you are made righteous forever by him).


Read below my 37 verses proving it:
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”.(Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians
3:4-


The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1: (see next verse for the context) It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews
8:7-

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)



Bro ENJOY!(Not enjoyment in committing sin as you may think)
And stand in faith alone in christ.