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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:14am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10:Even if we agree with you and say he spent 150mil. What good has it done United, how much did Leicester spend? How much did PSV and Wolfsburg that qualified from our group spend? After spending instead of moving forward we regressed badly. Park one side jare. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 9:16am On Mar 29, 2016 |
elampiro:Because a talented young player at his age doesn't find it difficult to go past defenders, only their decision making are a let down at that age, not their obvious skills. This reminds me on how Depay failed to dribble past the Arsenal defence yet Januzaj managed to do that in a matter of seconds he was on the pitch. You also failed to realise that Depay's game isn't based on Dribbling while at Psv, his game was based on his off the ball movement and drifting in to score goals like Ronaldo does at Madrid. That being said, Nani was mostly inconsistent save for 2010/2011 season where he was our best player but after that, he went back to inconsistent self. Even Fergie in his latter years, often preferred the less talented industrious Valencia to the talented Nani, same for Moyes. You can't blame Van Gaal for eventually getting rid of him |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 9:30am On Mar 29, 2016 |
chrisley024:You don't want to know the money spent on Wolfsburg's Draxler, Kruse and others. Another thing is that we have been playing with plenty of turnover machines (mostly Herrera, Mata) now and there's no one to replace them nor the old cargo (Carrick and Rooney) in our team. Recently, the deployment of the young vibrant Rashford and the energetic Lingard to play in the place of Rooney and Mata, (atleast before Captain Rooney comes back) has been like a new dawn in the team. But we still need someone to replace the aged Carrick and the bang average Herrera in the team. Granted Schneiderlin has been great in the box-box role than having to put Herrera there but what about the holding midfield role which is very essential in the team? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 9:41am On Mar 29, 2016 |
elrony:I repeat, we never had any problem with Carrick and Fellain midfield, it's just that Fellaini contributes little in the attack but Herrera on the other hand is a player who constantly looks like a kid out there whenever he's put under little pressure. That's the fact on ground. It's either you back up your claim or we accept that your assertion are baseless. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 9:47am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10:These teams didn't spend upto what we did last summer and have improved why we became worse(you can't provide answer to this) and you're here trying to shift the blames to Mata and Herrera as if we've fared better in games they missed. Some of youngsters have done well and I hope they continue to improve but time will tell. We'll still find it hard to go far with them especially in Europe. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:54am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: Ferguson admitted that only Nani can do what he does. But he said he prefered Valencia for his ability to carry the ball with so much balance over a long distance. If you said Nani only played well in one or two seasons, that would be a lie. Ferguson also caused Nani's dilemma by buying Ashley Young. Nani hates competition. Just leave him to do what he likes. He is like Di Maria, they need freedom and trust from their managers. Again you admitted Martial cannot really boss games now. When we played against Liverpool in Europa, we were never matured despite pushing forward. No threats. Those days, even if we don't play well, but there was always real threat every time United went forward. Against West Ham, we were just lucky to find that equalizer. DDG and Wasteful Emenike are to be thanked. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:12am On Mar 29, 2016 |
chrisley024: Apart from Depay, all the players LVG recruited (Martial, Schneiderlin) in the summer has been quite good. Even the injury prone Bastian chipped in some quality at the start of the season before his injury. That being said, we've done well without Herrera in the team. And a good winger on the right wing would further improve the team than a fucking Mata. Even Januzaj would be an improvement over Mata on the right wing. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 10:21am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: You don't know what you are saying please... Fellaini offers close to nothing in the midfield,thereby heaping the burden on an aged Carrick...this ain't just fact, it's reality mate! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:30am On Mar 29, 2016 |
elampiro:LOL. Apart from the one chance he had, he got no sniff. Infact, Westham created little chances other than punting long ball into our box, even Payet didn't have his regular game save for his free-kick. And I never admitted the underlined part of your post. Martial with a quality midfield like Scholes and a prime Carrick constantly freeing him up with passes that takes him away from crowded areas would be a nightmare for any defence to deal with. The point is Nani had the opportunity of playing with quality midfield, Martial never did. The truth is Nani was an inconsistent player under Fergie and he's not pulling up trees at Fernaberche either. I admit that Blind had a stinker in Watford and Westbrom but apart from the 2 games, he's been solid together with Smalling. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 10:41am On Mar 29, 2016 |
elrony:Back up your claim na. Fellaini's obvious lack of creativity is apparent however, his awareness, off the ball movement and anticipation has been better than Herrera. And he doesn't look like a kid out there unlike Herrera because he often uses his big stature to his advantage. Fellaini's average technical skills may let him down but his physicality doesn't and he uses it quite well. My conclusion is both of them (Herrera and Fellaini) shouldn't be starting for Manutd but I would take Fellaini over Herrera any day except maybe against teams that are unlikely to press our midfield which is quite rare. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: We didn't have Scholes and Carrick at the start of 2011/2012 season when Nani destroyed everything on his way until injury to Anderson, Cleverley and some of the defenders spoilt that set up. It was a team that Beat Barca in the presason, came from 0-2 down at half time to beat City 3-2 in the Shield. Nani running half the length of the pitch to score the winner after robbing the two City centre defenders of the ball. Infact we were 0-2 down at half time when Carrick was substituted, and we went to win 3-2 without Carrick. Cleverley, Jones and Evans were introduced at half time. We didn't have Scholes and Carrick when we beat Arsenal 8-2, beatTottenham with Bale 3-0, beat Bolton 5-0,beat Chelsea 3-1, etc. So your argument is null and void. Nani didn't require any one to play his game. West Ham had more than one chance. Not to talk of Ighalo who could have scored three goals for Watford. Our defence is horrible. DDG has been the hero. Lastly, how is Nani not flying when he is Super league second best player, and his team best player? You no know ball 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:04pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: I'd take a top form Herrera over a super form cretineous fukctard like Fellaini! Now I see why you want LVG till 2019 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 12:09pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
elampiro:The team hitting a second gear in the community shield was as a result of the introduction of Cleverley. The team were by no means poor in the first half of the community shield play off (we had more possession than City and one of city's 2 goal came through a lucky free-kick), we just needed to hit into the second gear and the vibrant movement of the young Cleverley in the holding role alongside Anderson provided that. No wonder the moment he got injured against Bolton, the team totally collapsed and when he returned back, his partner, Anderson had his own injury, and Cleverley was shouldered with the responsibility to pull the strings and acts as the creative force in the midfield which isn't his forte compared to Scholes/Anderson. Anderson was also in his best form of his life at that time and we all know an inform Anderson has the best visionary passes out there except that he always undo his good work by suddenly getting injury and then returning back as a fat pig while taking a long time to rediscover his earlier form. That being said, Nani wasn't even as good as Young in those games mentioned, Young was far better than him. Infact, after Anderson, Young was our best player with Welbeck running close. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:10pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Lest I forget, when you have a Smalling as the marshal leading ya defence week in week out it goes a long way to show you that we have a problem in that department. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 12:19pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
If Wayne Rooney is fit enough to walk, he will be in
Roy Hodgson's England squad for the European
Championships this summer. No amount of goal-scoring
heroics from Harry Kane or Jamie Vardy will be enough
to send the Manchester United striker into international
exile. Rooney will be the first name on the England
manager's team sheet when his team play Russia in
Marseille, France, in June.
"I have to repeat: Wayne is our captain and has
captained the team extremely well in the past two
years," Hodgson said after a 3-2 victory over Germany
in Berlin on Saturday. This suggests that the 30-year-
old's value as a leader will be important for a young,
inexperienced group of players in France. Yet Rooney
has struggled for fitness and form this season. He would
not make the squad on merit. To shoehorn him into the
team requires a number of compromises.
Hodgson picked four strikers in his squad for the Brazil
World Cup two years ago. If he followed a similar route,
Kane, Vardy, Daniel Sturridge and Danny Welbeck would
appear to be ahead of Rooney at this point. There are
always concerns about Sturridge's fitness, and Welbeck
is being nursed back from a serious knee injury, but both
have the sort of pace that stretches defences and
creates space for teammates. Taking Rooney as a fifth
striker would narrow midfield options in France.
That did not worry Hodgson too much in Brazil. In the
first two matches against Italy and Uruguay, he started
with just two specialist midfielders, Steven Gerrard and
Jordan Henderson. All semblance of balance in these
sides was discarded because the manager was desperate
to get Rooney and Gerrard, his elder statesmen, onto
the team. Both games were lost 2-1 in shambolic
circumstances, and England were out. The third match,
against Costa Rica, was meaningless. When the pressure
is most intense, Hodgson relies on the players he
believes he can trust, even if all evidence suggests they
are out of form or nearing the end of their career.
Rooney has been more impressive for England than for
Manchester United over the past two years. Hodgson
knows that the striker is at his best when he is bearing
down on the opposition. When Rooney plays with his back
to goal, his poor first touch and haphazard control are
exposed. The England manager has a much clearer
understanding of how to get the best out of the forward
than United's Louis van Gaal, who misuses Rooney on a
weekly basis.
Yet the deeper Rooney drops, the less effective he
becomes. It is hard to make a case for him as a front-
line striker given the competition. If Hodgson tries to
fudge the issue in France as he did in Brazil -- against
Italy, Rooney played on the left of midfield --
England's potency will diminish.
Even at the peak of his powers, Rooney was a player
who needed the team to be built around him for
maximum effectiveness. Now that he is in decline, it is
not worth compromising the team to accommodate
Rooney. Tony Evans ESPN |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 12:25pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
elrony:Smalling has his own problem with Blind looking better than him in some games. First, Smalling's positional discipline and reading of the game are quite poor, he always tends to follow the ball, thereby exposing his partner in the process instead of staying put and re-adjusting his position. Secondly, his ability and composure on the ball are awful. The only thing Smalling is good at, is his one on one defending and his ariel duels. Also, his physicality is an added bonus as opposed to Blind who suffered against huge physical strikers but his reading of the game and composure on the ball are far better than Smalling. The truth is both Smalling and Blind complements each other well. I would actually love to see a fit Jones play alongside Blind in the defence to see how it goes because Jones reading of the game, anticipation and positional discipline are better than Smalling's. He's pacy and good at one on one defending too, just as Smalling. He's also a beast physically. The only weakness both have in common is their average ability on the ball. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 12:44pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
elrony:Na you sabi. The Belgium coach disagree with you and he's done well with Fellaini in his team so far. Both Fellaini and Herrera are obviously not good enough to start for a top club like ours but if I were to be a coach of a small club with little resources and I happened to choose between Fellaini and Herrera for little price, I would go for Fellaini all day. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:00pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: 1. The reason we played well and dominated is because of the mobility of our back four and two midfieders. They played a high line defence thereby helping the forwards to concentrate on final third duties. Jones, Evans, Smalling and Evra mostly in defence. Cleverley and Anderson in midfield. These guys could be in final third, and in a blink of an eye you see them dispossessing an opponent making counter in our half. 2. Young was no where near out best player that period. Our best overall player was Rooney while Nani could be said to be second. 3. We were without Scholes and Carrick this period, and also without slow Vidic and Ferdinand who played deep defence line. Vidic and Ferdinand played first half against City and their sluggishness and deep defence didn't help us going forward. They invited pressure. In the second half, Jones and Evans came in, then we pushed forward in addition to the young midfielders. On the opening day of the season against West Brom, Vidic and Rio returned and we struggled. In subsequent games we played Jones and Evans, and they pushed forward to propell out attack.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:03pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10, Ashley Young was not near our best player that period. Rooney followed by Nani. Also pay attention to the defence line.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:16pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Rooney scored in every league match that period. Hit hatrick twice. Denied by woodwork in a couple of times. Nani scored two beautiful goals against City in the Shield. Almost always rated than Young. Yet you believe Young was our best player talking from hindsight. Rooney hardly gets the credit he deserves. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:40pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Our first draw of the season came when Rooney was absent. Probably rested for a UCL fixture or with an injury. Nani was our man on the day. The next match Rooney returned and he propelled us to a win. Ashley Young ko Ashley Young ni
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 2:09pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 2:22pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
elampiro:LOL! It is as if you don't check your scrren shot before pasting it here! Young was better than Nani vs Arsenal, Sunderland, Westbrom, Welbeck was better than Nani against Spurs. Ando was still better than him against Bolton. The only match Nani was better than the three were against Chelsea and Stoke. This still backup my claim that the 3 players were consistently better than Nani. And the moment Anderson, our consistently best player in majority of the games got injured, Nani form diminish which still brings us back to my claim that Nani's form was relative to the visionary passes from either Scholes/an inform Ando. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 2:57pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10:Na u sabi |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:39pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10: 1. Against Stoke Nani was MOTM. Against Chelsea Nani was MOTM Against Bolton, Nani was rated higher. Against Tottenham, Nani was rated higher. 2. Ashley Young was only rated higher than Nani in the Arsenal and West Brom matches. 3. Rooney was generally the best, followed by Nani. 4. Our defence then was a big motivation to our attacking players. Compared when we had Vidic+Ferdinand in our defence to when we had Jones+Evans. Remember, against West Brom, Anderson and Ceverley were in midfield but we laboured to a 2-1 win because of Ferdinand and Vidic behind them . With Anderson and Fletcher, we still beat Chelsea 3-1 because of fast Jones+Evans behind. Defence matters a lot. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:45pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Kagawa10 Where did you even see Sunderland. That team is Norwich. And it was JS Park on the left wing, no Young. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:53pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
sinizia: You are slating LvG but now campaigning for a A Coach who sold Lukaku because he missed a penalty A coach who sold Debruyne, Salah A coach who sold Mata so he can make Oscar his main 10 A coach who overlooked other decent strikers and bought the same failed Falcao A coach who checked all the better wingers in the world including Douglas Costa to buy Cuadrado A coach who bought Felipe Luiz and sold him in one season A coach who bought Baba rahman and Papy Djiboloji yet refused to use them A coach who has been sacked at his last 2 jobs A coach who fights everyone player, fans, referee, coaching crew, medical team A coach who opened eye and insists on playing a slow Ivanovic at Right back vs speedy wingers A coach whose central defence is hinged on a 35yr old John terry should be beheaded |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:11pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
I just discovered that even in our opening game against West Brom, the game was 1-1 when Ferdinand and Vidic were on the pitch. It was when Evans and Jones came on as our centre defenders we eventually scored our winner. That was similar to what happened in the Shield. Ferdinand and Vidic gave way to Jones and Evans at half time, then we fought from two down to win 3-2. That's how important a defence can be. AGEG WHEN NIGERIA DEY PLAY? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 4:15pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
naija match na 9.00PM. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:18pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: Thanks. Correct time. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 4:44pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
SIRcumalot:Tvc news say it is 6pm |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 4:55pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
elampiro:Here come the ‘Rooney into midfield’ brigade Oh here they are – it’s the ‘Rooney into midfield’ brigade coming back for more. United lost 8 out of 8 (or something like that) when he was in midfield last season. It was his dismal midfield performances that had everyone crying from the rooftops that he should be a striker again. That was actually something I agreed with because the one thing you can’t doubt him on is the fact that in an isolated moment he is good at hitting the ball in the back of the net. But his lack of movement, pace, inability to turn a defender or dribble has had people saying he should be a number 10 again. Can we just accept he isn’t very good? It doesn’t matter what position he is in – he is not the brilliant player of 2004 and nor is he the effective (but still horrible over 90 mins) striker he was in 2010. Just because he vacates his position to disrupt the balance of the team by dropping to the half-way line to ping (admittedly impressive) 50 yard passes does not mean he is good in central midfield. That position requires a hell of a lot more intelligence and ability than just pinging a pass – as is clearly evident whenever he plays there. Rooney should be in the squad because he can come on fresh with 20 minutes to go and score a free kick or maybe the ball drops to him in the box where he is usually clinical, but he shouldn’t start the game over actual real strikers, midfielders or wingers who have been playing well and are fit. Silvio (Even Gam and Guy can’t argue with this, surely?) Dante ESPN |
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