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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:43pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: If I cant judge him by his most recent job at Chelsea where he was sacked for flirting with relegation, Can I judge him for the previous one at Madrid? where he was also sacked after ending trophyless and for bringing shame to Madrid name by instigating fights? What do you want me to judge him by? His performances in 12yrs ago for FC Porto or those 6yrs ago for Inter? You can as well get Benitez who also won the CL 11yrs ago and played a CL final 9yrs ago |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 5:43pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:50pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: After the Barcelona debacle What did LvG do? He went to a small club AZ Alkmaar and won the league with them. So Bayern hired LvG after he won a league with AZ not after he almost relegated Barca If you want to draw parallels with Bayern hiring LVG vs Man Utd hiring Mourinho, after almost relegating Chelsea, let him go take Augsburg, West brom, Levante and win the league with them like LVG did with AZ Alkmaar before coming to Man Utd |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:51pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1:yeah that World Cup run also helped. he over achieved with that Dutch team. haters will always try to re write history. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 6:02pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Anybody who wants Louis Okomu Banga to continue as our manager is an enemy of the club!!!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 6:26pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter:I'm not saying you shouldn't judge by his time at chelsea but it's wrong when it's the only time reference you used. Everything should be used relatively with several variables and proportions. You passed a very poor judgement. I have some doubts too about Mourinho but it's a stretch too far to say it's all as a result of his last campaign which was controversial. That's the first and only time he was that bad ever in his career. He's still the current/reigning EPL winner and the nonsense you brought up can't take that away. where he was also sacked after ending trophyless and for bringing shame to Madrid name by instigating fights?In Ancellotti last campaign at Madrid, he finished trophyless and got sacked. Did that stop Bayern from appointing him?. stop being an hypocrite. Mourinho did not even finish the season (though we don't know how chelsea would have finish the season) what do you want me to judge him by? His performances in 12yrs ago for FC Porto or those 6yrs ago for Inter? You can as well get Benitez who also won the CL 11yrs ago and played a CL final 9yrs agoI think by now you should know how to judge him, if you really want to be reasonable. LVG won the CL over 18 years ago but he was still considered good and we appointed him. Jose's record is not a problem. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 6:32pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1:lol.... You surely not like Neville 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:35pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: The post I referred to didnt the poster judge LvG by ONLY his time at Man Utd? What variable and proportions were used when evaluating LvG? He's still the current/reigning EPL winner and the nonsense you brought up can't take that away. Well he is still currently jobless and nothing can take that away. He is jobless because he was sacked for flirting with relegation In Ancellotti last campaign at Madrid, he finished trophyless and got sacked. Did that stop Bayern from appointing him?.At Ancelottis last job he won a CL title. Thats why Bayern is hiring him and not Mourinho stop being an hypocrite. Mourinho did not even finish the season (though we don't know how chelsea would have finish the season) I think by now you should know how to judge him, if you really want to be reasonable. Mourinho was averaging 1 win per month and you want him to finish the season? If you own a company and see a manager declaring losses every month would you wait to see if he would actually bankrupt the company before firing him? LVG won the CL over 18 years ago but he was still considered good and we appointed him. Jose's record is not a problem. LvG recent records has him 3rd at the world cup. That is the current situation and you are the hypocrite here. When the same type of scrutiny you beamed on LvG was done to Mourinho you started throwing fits All I did was use the same criteria used to judge LvG for Mourinho and guess what he fell flat |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by onyeomaonyeoma(m): 6:37pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
I believe Gary Neville have learnt his lesson as a first team manager at Valencia though he failed but this experience will spur and caution him how to analyze game in future......... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 6:49pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter:Stop trying to be clever by half. You aren't the only one who knows history. LVG stock was far lower than Jose's own after he almost relegated Barca because he already had a previous campaign which failed. That campaign was his first stint with the dutch national side when he remarkably failed and he couldn't even qualify them for world cup. It was after this he was chased away to Barca where he failed again with Barca few points above relegation. Mourinho is the current EPL winner. His current situation differs a lot from LVG's. You are making this argument too easy for me. I have already proved Jose doesn't need to do such a thing. He has done greater in the past and his record speaks for him. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 6:55pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: Whats this clever by half you talk about After LvG almost relegated Barca what did he do next? He went to AZ and won the league which brought his stocks back up again That is facts that is history not fairy tales you want us to believe Winning CL previously winning La Liga with Barca didnt stop LvG from going to the basics and proving himself with AZ after he failed in Barca LvG had CL succes in the past Mourinho had CL success in the past LvG won several league for several clubs, Mourinho won several league for clubs LvG almost relegated Barca, Mourinho almost relagated Chelsea Lvg went to rehabilitate himself from a small club before going to a big club (Bayern), Let Mourinho also go rehabilitate himself with a small club like West Brom Augsburg or Levante before going to a big club. If those are too small he should start from AS Roma Schalke and Sevilla Despite LvG success in the past he still went to a smaller club to rejuvenate his career let Mourinho do the same before looking for a top club 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 7:11pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter:It's your post i had issues with regardless. Well he is still currently jobless and nothing can take that away. He is jobless because he was sacked for flirting with relegationAncelloti was Jobless for a while too and in a way still jobless until the start of next season when he takes over and it's most likely Jose has already signed a contract with united but it hasn't been announced just yet. I don't even see where you are driving at with this because this is another silly logic and you've been employing too much of this lately. You do this most times when you are out of points to make. I can say too that in Mourinho's last job he won a league title and he's still the current winner unlike Carlo that was the previous CL winner when he was appointed. Mourinho was averaging 1 win per month and you want him to finish the season? If you own a company and see a manager declaring losses every month would you wait to see if he would actually bankrupt the company before firing him? How many wins was Klopp averaging per month when he was with dormund in that difficult season? Dortmund eventually finished 7th or so. You are not a god to determine the future that easily and stocks losses in economics do not exactly correlate with football performances. Don't make me give instances because you would get embarrassed by the nonsense you have been spewing lately. LvG recent records has him 3rd at the world cup. That is the current situation and you are the hypocrite here. When the same type of scrutiny you beamed on LvG was done to Mourinho you started throwing fitsI have gone over this already and i don't need to repeat myself. Your negative obsession with Mourinho regards united is only gonna cause you more embarrassments like this when you are running from pillar to post and pontificating like you are doing currently. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 7:14pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Odunharry:no i actually admire his courage or should i say stupidity in doing what he did. He's a braver man than Giggs if you know what i mean. raumdeuter:Read the post you quoted again(this time slowly) and see if you're making any sense. That post replies this nonsense you have written again. You lost this argument a long time ago since you refused to be objective, and now you can keep quiet and move along if you have nothing else to say. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:35pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: How can it make sense to you when you have no nous to detect one? I know its fashionable amongst lemmings to just come and abuse LvG because actually thinking is hard. So every Taju, Sule and Chukwudi would just come say whatever about LvG without any thought process following it You are the one who refused to be objective. Simply put Mourinho on the same datum you used to evaluate LvG and he failed yet you are ranting bar common sense running from pillar to post When your head is far up Jose arsee that you would even lie and even edit posts regarding Mourinho Were you not the one who told us openly that Mourinho didnt lose to Bournemouth when you were caught shamefully went to edit the post Truth is lets use the same thing you used to judge LvG and Mourinho and lets see how Jose is any better. But common sense would always evade you Yesterday I was here telling Kagawa the mistakes and misdeeds of LvG. Which tells you I dont regard LvG as a god unlike you that would jump out leaving common sense at home to defend Mourinho even lie and edit posts to justify whatever rubbish you are serving for the day when would you remove your tongue lodged deep in Mourinhos anus and reason for a second 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 7:55pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter:I already proved you cannot use the same data since their situations were different. I addressed that in the post below earlier but your comprehension problems prevented you from understanding. That's why i said you should read that post again. Dayokanu read! Were you not the one who told us openly that Mourinho didnt lose to Bournemouth when you were caught shamefully went to edit the postThis only reinforces what i said earlier. You only bring up this past deed when you are beaten to a corner like currently and have nowhere to run to. I don't need to bring up your past misdeeds or goofs to defeat you in any debate, and i don't see myself needing it the future. It's only a prerogative of yours. Well it's not in your nature to give up easily, so i won't bother replying on this since you nothing objective to say and spare you the pain of posting nonsense when you are out of points. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:08pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1: The point here is LvG almost relegated Barca, He went to pick a small team and started from the scratch, Jose almost relegated Chelsea when would he go start from the scratch like LvG did to propel himself back to football relevance. Mourinho several years ago was highly rated and desired by many top clubs, today he has fallen and only very few top clubs would want to have anything to do with him. After his first stint at Chelsea almost every club would line up for him, Top clubs would rather gamble on rookies like Zidane than employ him. The same place he went to that he claimed "I am going to where I am loved" has sent him out twice. Now only very desperate clubs like Man Utd would een consider him. If Man Utd doesnt hire him lets see where he would go This only reinforces what i said earlier. You only bring up this past deed when you are beaten to a corner like currently and have nowhere to run to. I don't need to bring up your past misdeeds or goofs to defeat you in any debate, and i don't see myself needing it the future. It's only a prerogative of yours. Shut up. It simply shows you would go to any lenght to defend Mourinho even lie and edit posts. The evidence is here on the forum. Thats the worst thing anyone can do. Why not simply admit you goofed but in your world you stated you can never admit you erred even when everyone sees it Are you telling us you have changed from the lying and post editing scumbag of a few weeks ago? I may lose debates I may make errors like everyone in the forum but unlike you very few people on the forum would bother to edit posts and even state they can never admit they made mistakes My point remain the same standard you used for LvG use it for Mourinho. and lets see the result |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 10:08pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
@GBR1 If fergie was still in charge and we were still winning trophies and all... only for him to announce his retirement, Do you think we woulld be looking to replace him with a coach who was recently sacked for battling relegation at a top club..all in the name of past records? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:10pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Kagawa10, GBR1 has already done justice to what I wanted to reply you. But I want to comment on the issue of "giving the youth players a chance." Even though I quiet commend Van Gaal on the chances given to Rashford and co, I don't really buy into all the hype and praises that LvG is getting for it like he had choices and decided to give those guys chances. Let's face the truth, Gaal had no choice but to use the youths with all the injuries our senior players suffered. It wasn't as if the whole first 11 were fit and he chose the youngings instead. Who do expect him to use with all these injuries that befell us? Me? If injury didn't get to Martial at the final hour, Rashford might never have gotten his chance. If Rooney and Martial were fit, LvG wouldn't have given the chance to Rash. The Utd team had players like Young, Shaw, Jones, Rojo, Rooney, Hererra, Fellani, Carrick, Darmian, Valencia, Teiger, Schneiderlin, even DdG suffering big or minor injuries this season. Tell me, who was he supposed to field? Ghosts? Of course it's the youths. Yes, in January TW, he could have bought new players, but the truth is even average players were not available this time around. No good player was in the market for the taking. So he had no choice than to stick to the youths. Does he deserve commendation for it? Yes. But the excessive hype about it is overblown IMHO. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:15pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
^^ Exactly bro, why didn't he give the youth chance when Rooney was misfiring and Mata dulling. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:17pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
Dadehmola: Yes, we would. C'mon, It's Moaninghoe we're talking about here not some couch potato of a coach. Let's not try to diminish his abilities and records coz of one terrible season with Shekpe. MaureenHoe's CV is as good as it gets. Only coach presently that's a match for him is Guardiola. The ONLY reason that would deter Utd in such a scenario from making moves for MoaningHoe is his bad attitude and uncouth mouth. His penchant for causing havoc everywhere he goes is his bane of football existence. Remove that bad attitude and see if Utd won't be begging him to come coach us. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:23pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
chrisley024: LvG does not fool me one bit!! I'm too watchful for his deceitful antics. Even the English press must be taking a piss if they think I will fall for all the hype behind LvG's giving of chances to the youths. All things being equal, Borthwick-jackson, Mensah, Rashford and other youngings won't play an European match much less an EPL match. When Rooney went for months without scoring, why was Rashford not called up? Yes, I commend him for the chances, but it isn't something special. He was FORCED to field them!! He had NO choice. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:25pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia: Mourinho has been sacked at his last 2 jobs not just Chelsea And why are clubs not chasing him around like they were in 2007. After Mourinho was sacked, Bayern has appointed Carlo, Madrid has appointed Zidane, City has appointed Guardiola, PSG has renewed Blanc These are big clubs that would have normally looked at Mourinho and they all looked away even when they needed coaches and Mourinho is jobless and available According to reports, Mourinho is begging for Man utd job badly and had to write an undertaking. Man Utd thought about it not once not twice even some people are still not convinced about him till now in Man Utd organisation. Would that have happened to him 8yrs ago? The only reason Man Utd is considering him is because of LvG failures, If LvG is sitting top of the league right now or even top 2, tell me which top club Mourinho go coach next season Football and coaching is by what you achieved at your last job, If na by CV Benitez wont be coaching a relegation team currently |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:32pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Ancelotti was sacked twice too but Bayern got him. His CV is not a match against Mourinho's. And you keep talking about Zidane. Didn't you read the news that Madrid reached out to Mourinho first but coz of the bad blood between them, he refused. Dayo, the MAIN problem that Mourinho is facing is his ATTITUDE not coaching ability. Mourinho fights with everybody wherever he goes and clubs don't want that. This is just the main truth. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:33pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia:Rashford was even called up cos Keane got injured. Truth is every coach would have done the same in similar situation unless the coach and his staff were going to make up the team. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:35pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Yes, I've read this report, but I've read another that contradicts that report where it was reported that Mourinho denied it and said he doesn't beg any club to sign him. So it could be all lies. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:41pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
chrisley024: My own is, whether we're getting Mourinho or not, I want LvG out. Yes, he's a good coach with a good CV, but his methods doesn't work for Utd. Let him go and find another club to use his philosophy on. That's all I ask for. Which sane coach who was wailing to the press that Utd needs to buy a fast paced winger like Robben and co will go ahead to sell Maria after ONE season without giving him half of the patience he has given Rooney? Sold Maria and didn't buy a replacement. Used Mata that lacks pace or dribbles to replace Maria. Plays Young at LB and out of partisanship plays Blind at CB? Van Goat is too stúpid to remain at Utd. He has to go!! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:46pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia: Ancelotti has 3 CL trophies. He was the one that won the La decima Jose failed at. Ancelotti in the past decade has not threatened to relegate any of his team If Madrid wanted Mourinho they would get him. If you are claiming bad blood, Was there bad blood between Mourinho and Bayern, Was there bad blood between Mourinho and City? was there bad blood between Mourinho and PSG? All these teams have made managerial decisions since Mourinho was fired and none of them took 2 looks at Mourinho who was available I ask if Man Utd was top of the league which club would have hired Mourinho? Mourinhos problem goes beyond attitude, Was it attitude that got his team to 16th position winning a game per month? he isnt the first coach to fight people. Pep, Fergie are no saints either yet when Pep said he was leaving Bayern after Bayern literally begged him to stay, every club in Europe was on the alert. Thats a coach in demand, Not the Mourinho you are telling us about. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 10:51pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia: That would be believable for a coach many clubs are after. Aside Man Utd which other club is in contention for Mourinho as we speak? How many top teams signified interest in him since he was sacked? When Pep announced he was leaving even Wenger had to complain because he said the moment Pep became available, every coach's job in Europe came under threat of sack. That was the position Mourinho was 8yrs ago. Mourinho Now he is like an old spinster at a club who think she still got it while she has been in the club for 5hrs and not guy has approached her for a dance or drink The only guy(Man Utd) who is thinking about it 10times is the guy whose current babe disappointed at the last min and he is looking for emergency replacement |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 10:59pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia: Then why was he sacked a few months ago?? Why didn't his good records and impressive CV save him?? High profile managers with impressive CVs get to manage at top clubs even when they "fail" at their immediate past clubs - reputation plays an important role no doubt but I dont think battling relegation at a top club for half a season exactly fits into the permissible level of "Failure" here... Even if Mou was the most humble manager in the Universe, I doubt if any top club woulda chosen him to replace Fergie under the circumstances I painted earlier. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 11:00pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Yes, Ancelloti has more UCL trophies than Mourinho, but in total titles, Mourinho beasts him. The bad blood according to the reports (not me) is between Madrid and him only. For PSG, Blanc is doing very well with PSG, I don't see any reason for him to be sacked. For City, City had already been making moves on Guardiola way before any club showed interest in him and before Mourinho was sacked. City had already finalized their plan before what befell Mourinho. But Fergie and Guardiola don't insult rival coaches as much as Mourinho does. Fergie or Guardiola don't go about poking other coaches in the eyes. Guardiola or Fergie don't go about fighting the FA of their leagues all the time. Mourinho has a nauseating attitude and clubs are snubbing him for it. Okay, I want to know your opinion. Do you want LvG to continue at Utd or you dislike Mourinho so much that you don't want even the short success he can bring for Utd? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 11:01pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
sinizia: When he was one of the most sought after coaches in the world, he was still known to be a trouble maker. what exactly has changed?? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10: 11:03pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
GBR1:LOL! Do you know what assumption/speculation is? How is the midfield of Bastian and Schneiderlin based on assumption when the aforementioned players are right here at the club and started most of our games at the start of the season? How does my statement about LVg wanting a pacy attacker in the attacking midfield role based on speculation when he's severally tried the likes of Herrera/Januzaj in the said role without success before Lingard came to be in the role! You're just being stup!d. End of. And your point about Moyes being equivalent to LVG is absurd! Has Moyes ever built a working foundation that's good for a top club like Pocchentino did at Spurs or LvG did at Ajax? Why are my even wasting my time with this one! |
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