henry49:
One Nigeria is a scam! We don't share in your ideology! I hate Nigeria!

irunooboo:
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We are not the only country formed by the british. Others have moved on and prospering. The british colonized Canada, USA and Australia. Today these countries are envy of the world. The problem we have here is leadership. Our leaders are united in corruption while we frustrated commoners hates each other for no reason. Stella odua stole massively when she was a minister. Rochas and other igbo leaders are not clean. Even if you get the biafra, Will Jesus christ be your president? Will you not be ruled by these so called corrupt elites who see no wrong in one Nigeria as far as they keep feeding fat while u go to bed hungry? Ooh you expect Kanu and Uchemefor to become president and vice president of biafra consecutively? They will turn ibo land to paradise bah? Guy stop fooling yourself. Biafra is just a change of name. the corrupt elites remains the same scattered in all tribes

zendy:


Because unlike "Nigeria", I still have my power of choice with education and Christianity. You think anyone forced me to be educated? No. Do You think anyone forced or is forcing me to be a Christian? Of course not. Now let me ask you this, do you think anyone is forcing me to be a Nigerian against my will? There lies your answer.

macluvph1:


lol, what a blunt way to answer simple question but let me leave you because if you have concrete facts i think you should have come up with a comprehensive answer.

Anyway,the last time i checked for you to be a governor here in south south or south east you must be highly connected with the Northern/South Western politicians before you get the ticket to contest either in their PDP or APC party here in south south or our south eastern brothers which shows both parties have nothing to offer.

@ Irunooboo, Things are not working and will never work in this damn country because its still same old wine(PDP)re packaged in new wine(APC)so what is our problem in the late 60's, 70's and 80's is still the problem now so are you telling it will be solved in the next 4-8 years its a blatant LIE and you know that.

We need to separate and fight for our different destiny, yoruba is a great tribe to watch out that will compete strongly with the old eastern region in terms of development.

Will stop here till something calls for my opinion again.

BushidoBlue:
[size=18pt]Erm... but why are some people carrying IPOB matter for head?

I'm Igbo and I don't even carry it like this OP who is probably not Igbo.

So the question is..

Are Igbos greedy?
Are Igbos insecure?
Do Igbos have a genuine reason for agitation?
Is Nigeria a working structure for all peoples, tribes or ethnic nationalities found in it?


If these questions can be answered with utmost honesty, it will go far to settle this situation.


Having said that, let me state that the killing of unarmed protesters is a catalyst for destruction.

When the flood hits the wall, one must give, the flood waters or the wall of stone.












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BushidoBlue:


If they are defeated then why did you open this thread?

Are you mourning or gloating?

Or are you living in perpetual fear of Igbo Exodus?


I'm curious to know.

wizzyrich:
guy I'm not your brother, pls speak for yourself alone. Which Nigeria do you want us to build ? The one that has refused to improve since ur Lord Lugard amalgamated ? Or the one that politicians have crumbled already ? Since you said we are brothers and sisters, then feel free and go to Bornu and be brothers with the hausa/fulani's, then let's see if you'll be alive to say this nonsense you are saying.

zendy:


The greater Igbo nation has the wherewithal to stand on its own. But this is not just about what Igbos want, it is also about what the minorities want. It is strategically important for me to know who my neigbour is. So those minorities must be given their say as I demand my own say. It is not for you as Yoruba man to come to an area you have no historical connection with and talk about who should go with who. Last I heard, the Aworis,Eguns and Badagry people still regard Yorubas as 'invaders' who stole Lagos from them. You should be talking about offering these people a referendum so they too can have their own say.

Mckennedy:


what makes him your brother? Until then I will take you serious.

zendy:


They can't pass a bill on referendum even if they wanted to. If a bill on referendum was brought before the House, the North and the SW will just vote it out so that idea is dead in the water.

henry49:
One Nigeria is a scam! We don't share your ideology! I hate Nigeria!

Ngozi123:
If you really loved your ancestors then you would not praise the man who sought to put them under perpetual slavery. I don't know how some Nigerians can look upon colonialism as a good thing.

somegirl1:


Individuals are profiting from oil, the "oil rich" areas aren't.
The main attraction to the "oil rich" areas is numbers and land mass. The land mass occupied by Igbo states is very small in comparison to other regions especially after parts of Igbo land have been lumped in states with other non-Igbos and termed non-core.
The world is becoming less dependent on crude oil as has become apparent. Countries which were previously heavily dependent on petroleum products are quickly moving on to renewable energy. Demand for oil is reducing. Additionally reserves are not infinite and would eventually be exhausted.
The "our oil" tune will be redundant in the not too distant future, then we'll see where the minorities choose to pitch their tents.

ogmaskman:


You missed the point. Most of the govs and legislators were imposed thru fraudulent primaries by powerful local lords and not huasa fulani or Abuja politicians.

Ikpeazu is a making of ochendo, obiano is a making of GEJ and obi, ifeanyi of ebonyi was ayims candidate even Sullivan chime is not spared in the power play. If you think biafra will be free of the Nigerian political philosophy? In your words "old wine in New bottle'.

ogmaskman:


You missed the point. Most of the govs and legislators were imposed thru fraudulent primaries by powerful local lords and not huasa fulani or Abuja politicians.

Ikpeazu is a making of ochendo, obiano is a making of GEJ and obi, ifeanyi of ebonyi was ayims candidate even Sullivan chime is not spared in the power play. If you think biafra will be free of the Nigerian political philosophy? In your words "old wine in New bottle'.

ogmaskman:



That you do not want to be a Nigerian does not mean your brother also want to opt out. You need to hear all sides and come up with a balanced view. That's the point.

ogmaskman:


Abeg make una leave this minority thing. Fight your biafra battle alone. No minority tribe will follow u pple. Did you pple confer with the minority bfor you went to war in the late 60s? Did you see them as a pple u should talk to one a pple to be subdued. History is a biatch. You can preach all you want, the minorities are better protected in Nigeria. How will the minority strive in a situation were even the igbos have no unity of purpose.

irunooboo:
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irrespective of what happens the minorities and the Igbos will remain in Nigeria. The southwest and the north once fed the whole country with cocoa, agriculturr abd groundnut pyramid money. Only the Southeast is barren. They cant survive on their own so in order to avoid a refugee crisis in future where biafrans will rush down to Nigeria for help, they are better to remain in Nigeria

zendy:


The minorities can decide for themselves what is best for them in a referendum. One more thing, we never went to war, You people brought war to us.

zendy:


That is what a referendum is for.

macluvph1:



These men you called local lords how did they come about?

In one of my write ups to you earlier i told you categorically that you can trace their emergence into politics through northern/yoruba political lords that imposed them us,the so-called Ikpeazu was imposed on abians through T A Orji and TA Orji was imposed on Abians by Orji Uzor kalu and orji Uzor kalu was imposed to the east by the yoruba/hausa/fulani politicians that wanted to be relevant wherever they go once PDP party(now in APC because they were aggrieved)is concern.

Then as for peter Obi he came in through court decision but tracing back i can tell you in 2003 that Anambrarians really voted for him but the powerful yoruba/hausa/fulani politicians in Abuuja(OBJ and co)imposed Chris ngige by rigging him into Anambra state house which he was later booted out by the court even OBJ tried that with Andy uba which court also booted him out just imagine the type/crop of politicians this so called abuja(yoruba/hausa/fulani)are imposing on us all through. peter obi's decision/choice for governor(willie obiano) on Anambrarians is the best so far for his people just that he is killing IPOB(i know its not his wish willingly but trying to impress his northern pay master so that his allocation wont be tampered,thats why we really need to separate from these never do well yoruba/hausa/fulani politicians in Abuja) but for good governance i remove my cap for him cos Anambra people are seriously witnessing development and growth as well.

As for david umahi of ebonyi state he was imposed by anyim pius without the consent of the former governor martin elechi.but one question i will also ask you is this,did Anyim Pius secure the ticket of his contituency people in Ebonyi to represent them in Abuja just like that, NOO is the answer its the same connection of the yoruba/hausa fulani godfatherism that exchanged hands before he got(PDP)ticket to represent his people if not, from the onset Afikpo people know the right person to represent them in Abuja not anyim pius.

Then as for GEJ, who imposed him on the so called zoo called Nigeria is it not OBJ the former president then his incompetency and inexperience during his regime should be blamed on this so called yoruba/hausa/fulani God fatherism crippling Nigeria. because i remebered vividly he wasn't the best performing governor from this our south south(ex governor donald duke was better than jonayhan who never achieved anything for bayelsa just that he is a humble man and a willing tool for the yoruba/hausa/fulani to protect their selfish interest which they used and dumped him).

Then i smell something fishy here you never replied my last quote to your moniker but you rushed to come and defend irunooboo are you sure you are not birds of same feather(my opinion though no bad belle ooo). if Irunoooboo is fit she should come and defend Nigeria not hiding people's quote and writing unreasonably.

let me stop here to comment later when needed.

irunooboo:



God bless Lord Luggard for creating Nigeria. May his soul continue to rest in peace

irunooboo:



No mind the fools. They think their politicians will repent once biafra is declared. clowns

irunooboo:



We are Nigerians so you and i are brothers

ogmaskman:


My brother I replied you oo. Or maybe I thought I did. Check your mention and you ill see that u have not replied my last msg. I have been waiting for days.
I like the way you pick your points in a discuss.
Lemme start by saying that no country the world over is isolatedt from interests within and without. biafra inclusive if and when it eventually comes. What you have said still revolves around oppression and playing the victim card. I asked you a question befor and I ask again, will you opt out of a marriage for the mere fact that you perceive oppression or you try to make it work in the first place. If the later is you answer. I ask again 'what have you done to make it work'?

T9ksy:
@ Op, have we (igbo, yoruba & hausa/fulani) ever been One? Would you say we are One presently (after co-habiting for over a century)?

Am sorry to say but nigeria will never witness progress under the current arrangement. Even if we stay together for another century we will just be perambulating from one crisis to another. The foundation of this d.umb union is skewed and until we address this fundamental problem, we are just marking time.

The only thing that keeps us one is the level of hatred and distrust we harbour for each other.

ogmaskman:
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The last time I checked all the igbo senators are solidly behind a Yoruba (saraki) senator. Same goes for the house of reps where all the igbo rep members threw their weights behind a certain yakubu dogara.

My dear, is it not clear to you now that this whole hatred thing is a carefully crafted bait by the political class to continually keep the pple where they want them?

The political philosophy of the igbo man is not different from other regions.

I am yet to see any significant difference realy, other than the usual fairy tale our fathers used to tell us, which some of us have taking too far.

Whoever said the igbo man will not peddle drugs like his Yoruba or Hausa brother because he now answers biafra.
Honestly, the arguments put forward for biafra is lame. At least pro biafra activists should be able to put forward measurable indicators as reasons for their wanting out. Not this we hate ourselves, we can't stay as one, they are killing us, in biafra nobody can steal our money. C'mon guys, we can do better..

ogmaskman:
It is important for us to understand the reason why we agitatt in the first place. Too many uninformed here. Many nairalanders see the coming of biafra as the end to all their problems. I am sorry to tell you this, if and when it eventually comes, it will be the begining of your problems. What you experience in Nigeria will be a child's play. That is when the real cry of witch hunt and political depravity will will echo loudest. Is it not this same kanu that is telling you that winners chapel, deeper life, redeem and others are Yoruba churches that will preside over the New state. Or maybe he will be a king maker. What about cases of anambra man not qualified to work in Abia civil service even when he was born in Abia state. Should I even mention the issue of Anglican Catholic quota. You wont know what you enjoy till the day you find yourself in a small box fighting to survive. Igbos in Nigeria will be giving the treatment kanu himself asked to be giving others. This whole biafra thing will have far reaching effects especially on the igbos.
The biafra agitation as it is today has taking a dangerous dimention. Kanu's hate speeches towards other tribes, pples religion, orientation, heritage and igbo leaders who do not share or support his aggressive approach will only work against the biafran nation.
I laugh when I hear pple say ' face your state and leave biafra alone'. It is funny when Every dissenting voice is tagged Yoruba or Hausa. Truth is, apart from geographical location nothing else discribrs the igbos as a pple. Not marriage, not religion/denomination, not language, not even VOICE. I say this because thru marriage the igbos have fused with others, Yoruba and Hausa inclusive. The igbo nation today can not point at a particular religion as the only religion of the land. most of the churches (Yoruba church) in the east have their hqtrs in the west. These churches have mlions of igbos attending them, and these pple will rather follow their pastors than follow kanu. Do not forget igbo ha v Muslims too.
Playing the victim all the time is not just laughable but obsolete. The south south asked for resource control during obj's tenure and got 13% derivation (still wondering what they have achieved with it though). You do not win by playing the oppressed when indeed you can win. Jonathan whom the igbos have suddenly found a hero in, warned delegates during the ill fated conference not to discuss secession. Isn't all of these enough indications to work towards building a better Nigeria?

macluvph1:


@Ogmaskman, check my quotes on your write up or your mention if you are honest to yourself you will see the points i dished out for you to digest and contemplate on.

but i can still summarise what i wrote in details here, you said whether i will opt out of a marriage for the mere fact youperceived oppression and my ANSWER is this:

Was there really a marriage between the so called husband and wife?
Was the so called marriage mutually agreed on?
In the so called zoo(Nigeria) marriage who plays the role of humble guy/gentleman?
In the whole zoo called Nigeria who played the role of more Nigerian?
In this zoo called nigeria who is more patriotic?

The above answers are the "Igbos" and their south southern brothers(Nigerian created cardinal point region to achieve divide and rule),Igbo man is everywhere building and taking every part of Nigeria as his home which in return they either be killed or threatened to be sent to lagoon if they ever air their political point of view on who to vote or be voted for.

What if the igbos threatened the yorubas in south east and south south that if they voted for buhari they will be sent to lagoon hope it will be welcomed.

Recently igbo peoples shops were set ablaze in kano and you will tell me that it wasn't intentional or is it the fulani killing spree especially the one that happened in Awgu Enugu and when the owners of the land retaliated the hausa/fulani command from above locked them up which they spent up to two weeks in prison.

Then, the answer to third question is who is more patriotic to the so called zoo called Nigeria its the Igbos because despite them being killed in what they forced them to be part of(nigeria)they still thrive to survive and not cause catastrophy, even when their brothers were killed during the peaceful protest of the detained leader of IPOB still they were guided within the ambits of the law not to resort to violence. but check if its in the North or South west what the outcome will be(the answer is simple"VIOLENCE". honestly we are tired of the marriage that the people of the old easter region weren't even consulted at the initial stage to be part of,so their was no marriage at all but if you insist that their was then prove it with papers and also know that the so called marriage had an expiry date(Quoting from Lord lugards Amalgamation papers) which from that paper Nigeria has expired.

My brother the marriage isn't working despite everything the old eastern region have done,so now we have decided to opt out and nothing will stop this ideology like i said even 4 years old child is aware of the injustice of Biafra civil war in the old eastern region.


When marriage isn't working you can divorce mutually without fight but the grudges will still remain till eternity.
Take these points as lunch and digest till my opinion is needed again.