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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by johnydon22(m): 9:59am On Apr 16, 2016
joseph1013:
[b]SYRIA, ISLAMIC STATE AND THE BIBLE

Just seeing the news that last month, US Secretary of State, John Kerry said IS (Daesh) was "genocidal by self proclamation, by ideology and by actions". He said this Islamic group had committed genocide against Yazidis, Christians and Shia Muslims.

Attacks against Yazidis included (just like Boko Haram) the execution of hundreds of men and boys and enslavement of hundreds of women and girls. The women and girls were sold as slaves or forced to "marry" IS fighters, which is the Islamic way of saying they were forcibly used for sex--they were raped.

There cannot be many people, regardless of religion, who are not deeply horrified by this systematic brutality. But Christians would do well to remember Numbers 31.

In this Bible chapter, God ordered Moses to punish the Midianites. The Israelites attacked the Midianites as commanded, killed all the men and brought all the women and children back to their camp. But, in verses 17-18, Moses was angry that they had failed to killed everyone, so he ordered all the married women and boy children to be slaughtered but the virgin girls to be kept for the men.

According the the Bible, God ordered the 32,000 virgins to be shared among the soldiers and other men. Thirty two virgins were sacrificed to God.

Fortunately, there is no reason to believe this story is true but, if you believe it, ask yourself what exactly is the difference between the behaviour of God and the behaviour of IS?

Remember that question next time you get on your knees to pray.

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Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.[/b]

To this one would point the right accusing finger at the concept of "Revealed Faith" claimed as a basis by these religions.

Not only is faith a dishonesty clutch at exercising belief on things without reason to be believed.

'Revealed faith' in this essence is not only complete nonsense but a dangerous and extremely lethal nonsense.

Dangerous because it gives people confidence in their own claimed righteousness, and exercise of faith that they can earn a false courage to kill themselves and this removes that barriers associated with killing others.

Cus the worth of human life has been diminished by the claim of a revealed charge by their respective God(s) that needs to be carried out.

Such dangerous clutch at dishonest false delusion is dangerous for our continuity and as long as they are people who think they are receiving direct instructions from the creator of the universe on who to kill or what to do with others.

Such actions as you have shown here both that of the bible and IS actions will continue!!!

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:29am On Apr 17, 2016
johnydon22:


To this one would point the right accusing finger at the concept of "Revealed Faith" claimed as a basis by these religions.

Not only is faith a dishonesty clutch at exercising belief on things without reason to be believed.

'Revealed faith' in this essence is not only complete nonsense but a dangerous and extremely lethal nonsense.

Dangerous because it gives people confidence in their own claimed righteousness, and exercise of faith that they can earn a false courage to kill themselves and this removes that barriers associated with killing others.

Cus the worth of human life has been diminished by the claim of a revealed charge by their respective God(s) that needs to be carried out.

Such dangerous clutch at dishonest false delusion is dangerous for our continuity and as long as they are people who think they are receiving direct instructions from the creator of the universe on who to kill or what to do with others.

Such actions as you have shown here both that of the bible and IS actions will continue!!!
Agreed. The dangers of revealed religions are well documented.

The false confidence it gives its adherents could lead to disastrous endings.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:42am On Apr 17, 2016
[b]THE STORY OF GOD

God had no beginning. He was always there. He is maximally intelligent. We don't exactly know what this means but let's say his IQ is a few billion compared to our average IQ of 100.

And he was alone. Definitely. We are told he is the ONLY real god--all the others are human inventions. So he had no friends, no wives, no one to talk to, nothing to do, no TV, no nothing. He didn't even have day and night. As far as we know, he spent infinity in the dark and terrible cold all alone. But he must have been happy, because he is perfect.

At some point he tired of being alone and decided to make some friends to love. He made an unimaginably huge universe and then made trillions of solar systems and in one he placed a tiny (and rather dangerous) planet for his friends to live on. He looked at his creation and thought it was good.

With preparations done, he created his new friends. Now, you might think he would have made them as intelligent as himself. That would have allowed for interesting late night conversations. He could even play games with them and not always win. But he didn't. He made his friends pitifully weak; very, very tiny, belligerent, argumentative and very, very, very stupid (compared to himself).

Well, they say God works in mysterious ways but this was like a lonely human being making bacteria for company. Unsurprisingly, it didn't work out too well.

He was careful to provide each human with a dedicated comms channel, so he could talk to each one directly. Yet, still many of them didn't love him back, some didn't even believe he existed! He wanted them to follow his rules of behaviour but most of them ignored him. They even invented their own gods, and some actually masturbated! (He should have made their arms shorter!)

Finally, he was so exasperated with his friends that he decided to kill them all. What else could he do? He truly loved them but they ignored him. He just left one family alive whom he thought would behave better. I suppose we could call this supernatural selection!

Well, to cut a long story short, it still didn't work out. Humans continued to do their own thing; some of them pretended to love him, some of them loved other gods and hardly any of them would stone their unruly sons to death.

God was at his wits end. So he thought and he thought (with an IQ of several billion, that's a heck of a lot of thought) and came up with his master plan.

He would come to Earth as a human and have the locals kill him as a sacrifice to himself. Then he would be able to forgive all past, present and future human sin; obviously. What could possibly go wrong?

Of course, it is possible that this story is not true. We can either believe that the immensely powerful being with a several billion IQ did all this, or we can believe the whole story was invented by tiny, tiny beings who are very, very, very stupid (compared to God).

I don't know. What do you think?[/b]

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 10:28am On Apr 17, 2016
[b]QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESURRECTION STORY

Can we ask some very simple questions?

Note: This is for those who have read their Bibles very well. If you're wondering if some of the things I'm saying are in the Bible, please this is not for you.

1. When Jesus arose from the dead, what was his nature: a ghost or a physical body? Using biblical accounts, he zoomed through the wall — that could never been a fleshly body. He suddenly appeared to a certain duo of disciples — again, that must have been a ghost. But Thomas touched his hands — that could never be a ghost: he was a physical body. He had a meal with the disciples — that must have been a fleshly body as spirits don't eat physical meals.

I can go on and on but you sure get my drift. What was the nature of the risen Jesus: ghost or flesh?

2. He was buried without any garments. He perhaps was just covered in some drapes but not garments. But when he arose from the dead, he went about showing himself to people. He wasn't going around naked neither was he going around in the drapes. So where did he get the garments from?

Note: If you answered 'ghost' to the previous question, you're automatically excused from this one.

3. The Bible records that immediately after Jesus died, the tombs were opened and the saints who have been buried for thousands of years came out and appeared to people. How did the people recognize them? I can't recognize my great grandfather that died just 70 years ago. How did those people know that the walking corpses were the saints? And once again, where did those risen bodies get garments from?

4. If he could appear and disappear and pass through walls, he could have quickly appeared to one or two witnesses in Africa and other parts of the world. But why did the resurrected body remain in Galilee, only for the story to be told to Africans by Christian slave masters more than a thousand of years later?

5. Was Jesus crucified or impaled?

6. Between the period he gave up the spirit on the cross and when his spirit returned on the resurrection day, where was his spirit? Bible scholars say his spirit went to hell to preach to the spirits there. Did he spend the whole 3 days in hell or did he spend some of the time with his father?

7. God had already purposed that Jesus would be killed and that he would be betrayed before being killed. So why was Judas scapegoated for simply contributing to the predetermined will of God?

8. And when he ascended into the skies, what happened to his garment? Pulverized? Or removed, folded and kept neatly in a ward robe in the heavens to be worn again when he's returning in the second coming?

9. Jesus invited Thomas to touch his wounds to prove that it was he. In another passage, he warned them not to touch him because he was not yet ascended to the father. Which is it?

It's clear that most Christians don't think about these questions.
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:57pm On Apr 17, 2016
[b]RELIGIOUS COERCION IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT

I boarded this bus a while ago, sat in the front seat, beside a woman sandwiched between me and the driver.

Just before departure, one passenger sitting at the rear seats begins to chant the usual prayers and Christian songs. Armed with earphones and a wide variety of songs in my phone, it was easy for me to shut off the distraction.

A few seconds before my head begins to nod to the melody of music in my ears, I hear the driver tell the woman sitting between us to cover her hair, and she dutifully did. I caught the driver with the corner of my eyes, surreptitiously staring and stealing glances at me. I'm sure he was shocked and too dazed to throw an insolent remark in my direction.

I have to always ask myself why people make it their ultimate goal in life, to coerce others into following their own religious dictates and moral values.

When I was younger, I used to encounter preachers who would refuse to go on with their private prayers in public transportation, until the dissidents stopped talking or complied with pre-prayer procedures.

Nowadays, many are getting used to the idea that some folks don't give a damn about their religious chants and screams.

I imagine myself in a bus with a real dissident who counters by playing a pornographic film with speakers, and seeing the shocks on the faces of the religious zealots and phariseees.

What I can't predict is the lynching that might follow, for only a thin line separates the fanatics from Boko Haram.[/b]

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:06am On Apr 20, 2016
SO SMART YET SO STUPID

We are in the 21st century. We have walked on the moon and sent machines to roam the surface of Mars. Our telescopes can see back to the dawn of the universe and we have broken apart atoms to see what's inside.

We have viewed our planet from space and we can travel around it in a day.

Yet still billions of us worship an Iron Age god who demands blood sacrifices, hates gay people and thinks women are property.

How can we be so smart, and so stupid?

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by bstringz(m): 3:43pm On Apr 20, 2016

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:50am On Apr 22, 2016
BELIEVING THE IMPOSSIBLE?

People say God is not material, he is spirit. In fact, people believe there are many spirit beings inhabiting a vast supernatural realm.

Spirit beings are made of nothing yet have desires, intentions, intelligence and can do things in the material realm from moving physical things to making their voices audible inside a person's brain.

Humans have debated whether or not God exists for thousands of years but, I think there is another important question. How do we know spirit beings are even a possibility?

If you believe in such things, how do you know it is POSSIBLE for such things to exist?

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Krystalluv(f): 12:04pm On Apr 22, 2016
Hmmm..

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 12:39pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:
Hmmm.. finally, I'm not alone!


I've always thought I'm going "astray" by questioning some things in Christianity.

I feel and believe religion is man-made. Seriously, I feel God does not exist- no proofs, no questionings- we are taught to just follow and obey some dogmatic principles. Where exactly will faith take us to?

I think my conscience is enough to make me know what is good and what is bad. My conscience is enough to make me know how to treat others rights and not any dogmatic principles that even the so called religionists don't follow!

Whatever I cannot see, feel, touch, hear or even perceive does not exist! Anything I cannot do with my five senses is not real and does not exist!


I live my life the way it pleases me..
my dear as for me my atheism is secret for now. I'm not ready to be discriminated o

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 12:41pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:
Hmmm.. finally, I'm not alone!


I've always thought I'm going "astray" by questioning some things in Christianity.

I feel and believe religion is man-made. Seriously, I feel God does not exist- no proofs, no questionings- we are taught to just follow and obey some dogmatic principles. Where exactly will faith take us to?

I think my conscience is enough to make me know what is good and what is bad. My conscience is enough to make me know how to treat others rights and not any dogmatic principles that even the so called religionists don't follow!

Whatever I cannot see, feel, touch, hear or even perceive does not exist! Anything I cannot do with my five senses is not real and does not exist!


I live my life the way it pleases me..
my dear as for me my atheism is secret for now. I'm not ready to be discriminated by loved ones ,I tried it once and it was disastrous ,but I'm happy there are lots of atheist on nl so we don't feel we are alone online

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:22pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:
Hmmm.. finally, I'm not alone!


I've always thought I'm going "astray" by questioning some things in Christianity.

I feel and believe religion is man-made. Seriously, I feel God does not exist- no proofs, no questionings- we are taught to just follow and obey some dogmatic principles. Where exactly will faith take us to?

I think my conscience is enough to make me know what is good and what is bad. My conscience is enough to make me know how to treat others rights and not any dogmatic principles that even the so called religionists don't follow!

Whatever I cannot see, feel, touch, hear or even perceive does not exist! Anything I cannot do with my five senses is not real and does not exist!


I live my life the way it pleases me..
Skepticism on the basis of lack of evidence is a good thing. Those who say otherwise almost always have an agenda.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Krystalluv(f): 4:29pm On Apr 22, 2016
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by urahara(m): 5:18pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:

Me too oo, it's still a secret. My family members are very strong followers of Christ especially my father- an evangelist.. I wonder how they will feel when they realise I'm almost against them

Me too. But the time will come when we will have to let our parents no that we cant munch down crazy beliefs anymore.

The time is coming..... .. .

My sista brace ur self for the hour is near

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 7:16pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:
Hmmm.. finally, I'm not alone!


I've always thought I'm going "astray" by questioning some things in Christianity.

I feel and believe religion is man-made. Seriously, I feel God does not exist- no proofs, no questionings- we are taught to just follow and obey some dogmatic principles. Where exactly will faith take us to?

I think my conscience is enough to make me know what is good and what is bad. My conscience is enough to make me know how to treat others rights and not any dogmatic principles that even the so called religionists don't follow!

Whatever I cannot see, feel, touch, hear or even perceive does not exist! Anything I cannot do with my five senses is not real and does not exist!


I live my life the way it pleases me..
Krystalluv as much as i believe it's ok to question and even doubt many things concerning God(i agree most of the religions are dysfunctional) i'd advise you do not completely dump 'God'. I think what you need to discover is your own way of connecting with him/her/it etc.

You've never seen your liver or pancreas but you know they serve you don't you?

Decide for yourself what God is to you. Make it something believable for you. Whether you like it or not, there's an invisible intelligence around us. It birthed the start of the universe. It makes water flow downhill, causes my blood to absorb the right amount of fat from my yoghurt, it made my delicate brain and put it in a hard casing. It causes my skin to close up after a deep cut. It made the buried seed become a mighty oak and it created my baby from the mixture of a drop of white mess from me and a speck of blood from my woman.

Accounts of the works of this intelligence will fill all pages on earth. Think about this intelligence and revere it your own way.

Atheism is an illusion.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 7:54pm On Apr 22, 2016
holamiday:
Krystalluv as much as i believe it's ok to question and even doubt many things concerning God(i agree most of the religions are dysfunctional) i'd advise you do not completely dump 'God'. I think what you need to discover is your own way of connecting with him/her/it etc.

You've never seen your liver or pancreas but you know they serve you don't you?

Decide for yourself what God is to you. Make it something believable for you. Whether you like it or not, there's an invisible intelligence around us. It birthed the start of the universe. It makes water flow downhill, causes my blood to absorb the right amount of fat from my yoghurt, it made my delicate brain and put it in a hard casing. It causes my skin to close up after a deep cut. It made the buried seed become a mighty oak and it created my baby from the mixture of a drop of white mess from me and a speck of blood from my woman.

Accounts of the works of this intelligence will fill all pages on earth. Think about this intelligence and revere it your own way.

Atheism is an illusion.
The bolded renders your entire rant meaningless.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 8:10pm On Apr 22, 2016
joseph1013:
The bolded renders your entire rant meaningless.
grin grin I knew joseph1013 will be the first to find something to gainsay. I made sure not to mention your moniker in my post but you still found a way to be the first to meddle. I once thought you were making sense on this thread and later i discovered you're just a critic skilled with words. Nothing more. Maybe less. Of course you found a tiny bit of sense in my post but ego will not let you admit it. grin All i said was, allow the lady discover what God means to her, by herself.

I know it's your thread but why don't you just wait and allow the Krystalluv i quoted reply by herself. You hear? Please. Biko.

No offence bro. grin grin
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Krystalluv(f): 8:56pm On Apr 22, 2016
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Krystalluv(f): 9:13pm On Apr 22, 2016
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 9:18pm On Apr 22, 2016
holamiday:
grin grin I knew joseph1013 will be the first to find something to gainsay. I made sure not to mention your moniker in my post but you still found a way to be the first to meddle. I once thought you were making sense on this thread and later i discovered you're just a critic skilled with words. Nothing more. Maybe less. Of course you found a tiny bit of sense in my post but ego will not let you admit it. grin All i said was, allow the lady discover what God means to her, by herself.

I know it's your thread but why don't you just wait and allow the Krystalluv i quoted reply by herself. You hear? Please. Biko.

No offence bro. grin grin
You got a sense of humor. I like that.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 9:20pm On Apr 22, 2016
Krystalluv:

How else do you want me to connect with an imaginary being??!!

Convert to another religion??

If truly there is anything like God, why so much confusions among his believers? Catholic principles are different from Pentecostal's.. why so much denominations and different principles?? Are "we" not supposed to be " one in Christ" like the bible says??


My dear.. I think I've been patient enough to understand this "mysterious" God. I've read, I've asked questions but no proofs of his existence.

Like I said, I can't believe what I cannot see, touch or feel..
Nooo. You didn't get me. I'm not asking you to consider any religion. I'm not telling you to consider praying in the name of Krishna or Jesus or whoever. All i'm asking you is to allow yourself to appreciate this wondrous creation and pay attention to every little detail very deeply so much that you'd find yourself surrendering to whoever or whatever is behind it's design.

Some call it infinite intelligence, others call it nature, the majority call it God. Call it whatever you like, but call it something.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 9:22pm On Apr 22, 2016
joseph1013:
You got a sense of humor. I like that.
Guy you dey whine me abi grin
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by taurus25(m): 9:31pm On Apr 22, 2016
holamiday:
Krystalluv as much as i believe it's ok to question and even doubt many things concerning God(i agree most of the religions are dysfunctional) i'd advise you do not completely dump 'God'. I think what you need to discover is your own way of connecting with him/her/it etc.

You've never seen your liver or pancreas but you know they serve you don't you?

Decide for yourself what God is to you. Make it something believable for you. Whether you like it or not, there's an invisible intelligence around us. It birthed the start of the universe. It makes water flow downhill, causes my blood to absorb the right amount of fat from my yoghurt, it made my delicate brain and put it in a hard casing. It causes my skin to close up after a deep cut. It made the buried seed become a mighty oak and it created my baby from the mixture of a drop of white mess from me and a speck of blood from my woman.

Accounts of the works of this intelligence will fill all pages on earth. Think about this intelligence and revere it your own way.

Atheism is an illusion.
your making it sound as if atheist here are evangelizing...trust me most atheist dont come here to seek converts to atheism.....with that said i believe everyone is free to choose what they believe in.....normally atheism starts with doubt of ones religion (as ive experienced) and most times solidifies with science..and one usual tactic in with theists use over skeptics is complexity, as you tried to do up there and i could help you with many other complex things in the universe which to you and many other theists is the strongest pointer to gods existence....

you should maybe know by now that if complexity were to conote design , then an infinte regress of complex designers would be needed to explain our universe....to sum it up god (as proposed by theists) has an equal chance of creating the universe as a toothfairy, what i mean is that god remains an assumption.....another problem arises when god/s as proposd by theists is properly dissected (by carefully reading so called "holy books" ) alot of logical fallacies, inconsistencies coupled with outright lies is noticed except if the reader conciously ignore some parts of those books.

For the purpose of saving this thread from further derailing i would conclude that the skeptic should keep an open mind, do proper research herself to seek answers to whatever questions she might have...do not allow theists bully you that if you dont choose their side hell awaits you...because going by that same logic hell awaits pretty much all of us because the gods in whch they dont believe in has their punishments for unbelievers too...

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:08am On Apr 23, 2016
[b]DEAR BELIEVER, ARE YOU FOOLING YOURSELF?

Here's a thought experiment for believers who are convinced that God MUST exist because God explains how the universe came to exist and the various processes in the universe including gravity which makes water flow downhill, turning of seeds into giant trees under the right conditions, various excellent workings of the human body as well as the mechanism with which the human egg and sperm combine to form a most tangible human baby.

Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God was invented by the ancient Hebrews. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication. Be honest with yourself; would you:

1. Start studying other gods in the hope of finding the god responsible for the universe and the various processes I described above?
2. Stop believing in all gods?
3. Continue to believe in God?

One of these options shows you are sincere when you tell us you believe in God because of the evidence of the universe--the others show you are insincere and lying to us and, possibly, to yourself as well.

Honest believers can only pick option (1). Give it some thought...[/b]

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 1:25pm On Apr 23, 2016
joseph1013:
[b]DEAR BELIEVER, ARE YOU FOOLING YOURSELF?

Here's a thought experiment for believers who are convinced that God MUST exist because God explains how the universe came to exist and the various processes in the universe including gravity which makes water flow downhill, turning of seeds into giant trees under the right conditions, various excellent workings of the human body as well as the mechanism with which the human egg and sperm combine to form a most tangible human baby.

Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God was invented by the ancient Hebrews. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication. Be honest with yourself; would you:

1. Start studying other gods in the hope of finding the god responsible for the universe and the various processes I described above?
2. Stop believing in all gods?
3. Continue to believe in God?

One of these options shows you are sincere when you tell us you believe in God because of the evidence of the universe--the others show you are insincere and lying to us and, possibly, to yourself as well.

Honest believers can only pick option (1). Give it some thought...[/b]
You keep asking people to imagine. Permit me to speak for myself, please. If i'd imagine that, i'd definitely go for option 3 and i'll soon tell you why.

My conviction in the existence of God has absolutely nothing to do with any religion or on what the Hebrews said or did not say. I have no business with any 'Hebrews'. To be matter-of-fact, my personal, unique thought processes about life are sufficient for me to acknowledge the source of all life. I call it infinite intelligence and often-times, i call it GOD. Who cares what i call it? undecided It's all about me, never on anything external.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 1:43pm On Apr 23, 2016
holamiday:
You keep asking people to imagine. Permit me to speak for myself, please. If i'd imagine that, i'd definitely go for option 3 and i'll soon tell you why.

My conviction in the existence of God has absolutely nothing to do with any religion or on what the Hebrews said or did not say. I have no business with any 'Hebrews'. To be matter-of-fact, my personal, unique thought processes about life are sufficient for me to acknowledge the source of all life. I call it infinite intelligence and often-times, i call it GOD. Who cares what i call it? undecided It's all about me, never on anything external.

Excellent! What if these words below

Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God was invented by the ancient Hebrews. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication.

were replaced by

Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God and the infinite intelligence you are so enamored with was invented only by your personal unique thought processes about life. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication.

Which of the options would you choose?
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:36pm On Apr 23, 2016
^^^Joseph1013 of course, for now, God and the infinite intelligence i'm so enamored with, was invented by my personal and unique thought processes about life. I admit it. No need to imagine. But i love that invention. It brings me immense joy. I have no evidence whatsoever to present to you to prove the antithesis of your new imagination trip.

To another mind, apart from mine, i have no evidence for the existence of God.

Option 3 still stands.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 2:41pm On Apr 23, 2016
Fair enough. Now I know where you stand. I don't begrudge you.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 2:58pm On Apr 23, 2016
joseph1013:
Fair enough. Now I know where you stand. I don't begrudge you.
It's alright man, neither do i. It's clear we both have very complex imaginations. It's no wonder- we both read Engineering.

May we enjoy our conscious stay on the planet.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:01pm On Apr 24, 2016
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

When people claim to have knowledge you don't have; when they cannot explain how they acquired that knowledge or how you could acquire it but assure you it is beyond you because you don't have the necessary openness, spirituality, discernment or [add any other deficit here]...

When this happens, you can be sure you are talking to someone for whom reason is a long-lost friend. These are the arguments used by people who sincerely believe they are Elvis Presley or are being watched by aliens... or by those who think they have daily conversations with a long-deceased, Middle-Eastern rabbi.

Walk away or call a doctor. You probably can't help them.

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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:15pm On Apr 24, 2016
spacyzuma, saw your diary, mate, after I got notified that you shared one of my posts here. Interesting thoughts.
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 6:53pm On Apr 24, 2016
@joseph1013 Great work But what do you think about Theresa Caputo the woman at the long island medium ? Is that explainable ?

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