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Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by QueenSalewa: 9:29pm On Apr 25, 2016 |
truthmans2012:You haven't proven anything. Instead you've just displayed a willfulness to remain ignorant. Let me ask you something then. What do you think "God" is in Arabic? truthmans2012: What I'm saying is that the verse you made reference to, "a house of God and resort for all mankind" is named in the Qur'an as a place in Bakkah, not Makkah, but translators insert Makkah in brackets. They aren't the same place. The verse: The first House established for the people was that at Bakkah, a place holy, and a guidance to all beings. truthmans2012: First of all, the rest of the verse continues as follows: it becomes a bird by permission of God. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of God Not of his own will or power, but by God's. Secondly, whatever Jesus did, as your own scripture says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should change his mind". truthmans2012: I was giving an example of how silly your questioning was. truthmans2012: I'm getting sick of typing this now, honestly. Until you realise and fully comprehend that God translated into Arabic is Allah, then we really won't get anywhere in this discussion. If you like, give me an alternative word for God in Arabic, then we will proceed. Because you keep returning to this futile argument. truthmans2012: God didn't concede to paganism. All images and idols in the Kaaba were destroyed, it is no longer linked to them. When people are at Hajj and pray, they call out to God, not to the idols that used to be worshiped there. truthmans2012:I didn't say that pagans celebrate the type of festivals you do. But Christian festivals adopted pagan rituals in order to gain converts, that's my point. For example Christmas was influenced by the holiday of Saturnalia, this was only done to take the roman pagan masses along with Christianity. truthmans2012:Great. I'm glad to be your first. I get that a lot. truthmans2012:My intelligence is half of a man's? Very interesting. Provide proof from the Qur'an please? |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthmans2012: 8:52am On Apr 26, 2016 |
QueenSalewa You haven't proven anything. Instead you've just displayed a willfulness to remain ignorant. Let me ask you something then. What do you think "God" is in Arabic? Let me start questioning you. What does Quran 109:1-6 say, interpret it and supporting it with evidence (s). What I'm saying is that the verse you made reference to, "a house of God and resort for all mankind" is named in the Qur'an as a place in Bakkah, not Makkah, but translators insert Makkah in brackets. They aren't the same place. Where is Bakkah ? Quote the verse and let people see it, I will quote many verses in the quran that speaks about Kaaba. Maybe you will tell me Kaaba is in Ghana. First of all, the rest of the verse continues as follows: Why was allahh's greatest prophet, Muhammad, not given permission to do any miracle ? He couldn't heal an ordinary headache. When his jihadists ate poison he couldn't do anything. He was watching them till they died. He too tasted the poison and spewed it out but died later of the poison. Do true prophets have to taste food before they could detect poison in it? Quran is supposed to be a revelation and not a miracle because I know you will tell me Muhammad's miracle was the quran. He wasn't the first to receive revelation and others didn't call their revelations miracle. Secondly, whatever Jesus did, as your own scripture says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should change his mind". What is the relevance of this ? I'm getting sick of typing this now, honestly. Until you realise and fully comprehend that God translated into Arabic is Allah, then we really won't get anywhere in this discussion. If you like, give me an alternative word for God in Arabic, then we will proceed. Because you keep returning to this futile argument. There are two Spirits being talked about here, Yahweh and allah.The Arabs Muslims can call anything their own allah but are they referring to Yahweh ? Muslims allah is the idol Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandfather was serving. They have been worshiping allah as an idol in Muhammad's family before he was born. God didn't concede to paganism. All images and idols in the Kaaba were destroyed, it is no longer linked to them. When people are at Hajj and pray, they call out to God, not to the idols that used to be worshiped there. You don't know what you are saying. It was you who said allah took to pagan worship to draw the Qurayish to islam. Have you forgotten you said so ? I know every Muslim is a liar but your own is too silly. I didn't say that pagans celebrate the type of festivals you do. But Christian festivals adopted pagan rituals in order to gain converts, that's my point. For example Christmas was influenced by the holiday of Saturnalia, this was only done to take the roman pagan masses along with Christianity. Give proof to your assertion. Again, was it God who said Christians should do so in the Bible? It is unlike allah who gave express permission for Muslim to worship him the say way they worship idols. It is found in the quran and hadiths. My intelligence is half of a man's? Very interesting. Provide proof from the Qur'an please? Yes, your intelligence is half of a man's as a Muslim woman. See what your prophet said about it: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more DEFICIENT in INTELLIGENCE and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the DEFICIENCY in her INTELLIGENCE. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the DEFICIENCY of a woman's mind." Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826 You know so little about islam, no wonder you are spewing out ignorance. I will advise you to withdraw from nairaland as you are not qualified to debate here. |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by QueenSalewa: 12:49am On Apr 27, 2016 |
truthmans2012: Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Nor will I worship those whom you have worshipped;, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. Historical context: this verse was sent to distinguish Muslims from the rituals, beliefs and gods that the Qurayish associated themselves with. It's quite self explanatory. The chapter is addressed to people who reject faith - atheists, and people who have heard the message of the Qur'an but choose to ignore it. truthmans2012: Reference to Bakkah - Quran 3:96: The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings. (The only) reference to Mecca - Qur'an 48:24: It is He who restrained their hands from you, and your hands from them, in the hollow of Mecca, after that He made you victors over them. And God sees the things you do. Translators say "Bakkah" is an ancient name for Mecca when it is not. If it was then it wouldn't have been mentioned at all, but it is. All the quotes you plan on writing here do not say Mecca in Arabic. There is only one verse in the Qur'an that mentions Mecca and that is the one above. truthmans2012:Prophet Mohammed was a man. Not a God, not a demi-God. He was born naturally and died naturally. There is speculation on whether he died as a result of poisoning, or fevers. But, regardless of how he died, what does this prove or disprove? Are all prophets supposed to die by God taking them by a whirlwind or are prophets immortal to you? I don't understand what you're trying to show here. That he should never have died? You don't like the way he died? It should have been more majestic? What exactly? truthmans2012: It's not so much the revelation alone that Muslims assert is a miracle, it's the revelation paired with the prophet's apparent illiteracy. But that notion is mainly based on sunni texts and since I'm not a sunni, I won't use those anyway. Miracles attributed to him in the Qur'an are the splitting of the moon, the night travel to Jerusalem and the ascension. truthmans2012:You said, "it only takes God to create life, which Jesus did", implying Jesus is God? So I quoted where your scriptures say God is not a man. That's the relevance. truthmans2012:Yes they are. That's like saying Yoruba Christians aren't referring to the God of the Bible when they call God "Olorun" because of it's ties to Yoruba mythology. Why can't you see how horribly flawed your reasoning is? Does that assertion genuinely make sense to you ...? truthmans2012:Saturn's great festival, the Saturnalia, became the most popular of Roman festivals, and its influence is still felt in the celebration of Christmas and the Western world's New Year. The Saturnalia was originally celebrated on December 17, but it was later extended to seven days. [Source, http://www.britannica.com/topic/Saturnalia-Roman-festival] truthmans2012: Lmao, the whole New Testament concept and understanding of God is pagan. Nearly every nation, pre-Christianity held similar beliefs to the trinitarian understanding of God. Talk less of Muslims circulating a structure on Hajj. truthmans2012: Interesting, but that's not from the Qur'an. truthmans2012: OK, if you'd like to end the debate then please say, so I can stop responding. It's actually possible to formulate an argument without ending each of your posts with unnecessary, patronising, anecdotal "nuggets of advice" that nobody asked for. If you'd like to end it, just say. |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by misreal(m): 3:32am On Apr 27, 2016 |
QueenSalewa:i think you just justified the killing of christians by muslim in the name of jihad. |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthmans2012: 11:58am On Apr 27, 2016 |
QueenSalewa
Give proof to the historical context from authoritative source (s). You always like expressing your personal, ignorant and false opinions. Are Jews and Christians believers in Muhammad's Allah ? Do you know the meaning of atheist ? Are Jews and Christians, the people of the Book atheists? Readers can now see why I shouldn't continue with somebody of your intelligence. ( The only) reference to Mecca - Qur'an 48:24: It is He who restrained their hands from you, and your hands from them, in the hollow of Mecca, after that He made you victors over them. And God sees the things you do. After you have said the quran doesn't mention Mecca but Bakkah only. You are soooo ignorant that you can afford to say just any trash. You are not worth my time. Prophet Mohammed was a man. Not a God, not a demi-God. He was born naturally and died naturally. There is speculation on whether he died as a result of poisoning, or fevers. But, regardless of how he died, what does this prove or disprove? Are all prophets supposed to die by God taking them by a whirlwind or are prophets immortal to you? I don't understand what you're trying to show here. That he should never have died? You don't like the way he died? It should have been more majestic? What exactly? The question here is not what killed Muhammad but how he was so spiritually powerless that he couldn't heal any sickness other than to behead innocent people. His jihadits ate poison, he couldn't heal them. When he was sick, Jubril prayed for him and also promised allah would heal him but he was not healed, he eventually died. Jubril lied allah would heal him. The same Jubril (a liar) brought Quranic revelations, how do you believe the revelation of a liar ? I know you don't have an idea of all those because you are an ignorant muslim and that is why I don't have to waste my time on you. It's not so much the revelation alone that Muslims assert is a miracle, it's the revelation paired with the prophet's apparent illiteracy. But that notion is mainly based on sunni texts and since I'm not a sunni, I won't use those anyway. Was Muhammad the only illiterate 'prophet' ? What was the educational qualification of other prophets before him ? Why didn't others call their revelations miracle ? Smh !!! Tell me the Quranic verse that says Muhammad split the moon. What Allah said in the quran is that Muhammad was not given power for miracle (Quran 13:7). Muhammad had a dream that he went to heaven. His physical body was lying on his bed. Is it a miracle to dream ? I'm yet to find a Muslim that reasons fine. Saturn's great festival, the Saturnalia, became the most popular of Roman festivals, and its influence is still felt in the celebration of Christmas and the Western world's New Year. The Saturnalia was originally celebrated on December 17, but it was later extended to seven days. Lies !!! How did you relate Roman Saturnalia to Christmas ? That Roman pagans celebrate a festival does not mean Christians celebrate same. Saturnalia is not the same as Christmas even if they are celebrated on the same date. Interesting, but that's not from the Qur'an. So I have given you education on islam, which you have been ignorant of. Your prophet, Muhammad said a woman's intelligence is deficient and this is actually reflecting in your posts. Or don't you believe your prophet? You don't know islam is practiced using both quran and hadiths? Your allah said muslims should obey him and his sole prophet, Muhammad. It is in hadiths you can find the words and deed of Muhammad. As a Muslim woman, you are bound to believe the saying of your prophet that your intelligence is deficient and that why I shouldn't continue with you. OK, if you'd like to end the debate then please say, so I can stop responding. Trash !!! |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by QueenSalewa: 12:22pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
misreal: Yes I did, is that surprising? |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by QueenSalewa: 12:25pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
[i] truthmans2012: It seems you can't formulate an argument without resorting to petty insults, which is a shame. Stop wasting your precious time responding then. Lmao |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by misreal(m): 12:43pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
QueenSalewa:NOT AT ALL |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthmans2012: 1:07pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
QueenSalewa: Insult? Do you remember how many times you have called me "silly" ? When I said you are ignorant I was only describing your knowledge of islam. And when I talk about your intelligence I expected you to reason better. No insult intended please. I think I have taught you some Islamic lessons. Keep pondering on them. |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by QueenSalewa: 11:55pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
truthmans2012: I've never called you silly. Calling your argument silly is not the same as calling you silly. Okay, you say you didn't intend to insult, but it was insulting. |
Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthmans2012: 8:18pm On Apr 28, 2016 |
Next !!! Who was the first muslim ? Remember allah didn't say each of the many first Muslim was the first "among his people" Saying so means putting words in Allah's mouth. If Abraham was the first Muslim, how could Moses also be first Muslim being the descendant of Abraham? It is like saying your forefather was the first Muslim and you too is the first muslim. If Moses was the first Muslim, how could Jesus disciples be the first muslims when they were all Jews? You can see that something is wrong with the quran. 2 Likes |
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