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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 10:24am On Apr 29, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Then why are you persisting that Christianity is a lie ? Truth or Lie - your choice to accept which it is . God exists , God is the Greatest cool


If god existed so clearly i wouldnt need u to tell me

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Objectives: 10:32am On Apr 29, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

If an atheist's child runs home and tells him that his friends at school believe in God the creator of all things , trust me the atheist will try to convince the child that there is none .

Not try to convince, that would mean trying to win the child over, no free-thinking man tries to convince anyone to buy into their school of thought,

They only present their case with detailed explanation, giving reasons [they] don't think any being is behind the formation of the universe

And if the child still chooses to remain in the faith, the atheist finds it very easy to let go, they don't try to demonize, threaten or scare the child away from the choice they have made

A Christian will try to convince use all available means to scare his kid into believing that indeed God is real.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by lepasharon(f): 5:42pm On Apr 29, 2016
urahara:


After the child of the atheist returns back from school. He or she should then be made to think for him or her self clearly. To decide whether he should believe or not. The atheist should never ever try to convince the child that he should not believe in god. Saying there is no god is 2 much of an absolute . rather sayuing u lack the belief in a god sounds appropriate.


You said the child would say his friends believe in a creator. Children are smarter than u think. The child will then ask why this god has authored 2 different religions the ztian and muslim religion and also y they oppose and contradict themselves violently.


Exactly. If my child ran home and told me their friend believes in God. I wouldn't try to goad their opinion. I would simply say is that so. I will let them grow and develop their own opinion
Re: Child Indoctrination by Amberon: 8:06pm On Apr 29, 2016
do not send your children to school while they're yet to have minds of their own. it is a worse form of indoctrination as they will never get to Albert Einstein.
Re: Child Indoctrination by Amberon: 8:18pm On Apr 29, 2016
Christianity is a relationship with God. Not a religion! Man made religion. God made Christianity and that was why Christ came- to restore us back to God.
urahara:



U say religion is man made but u know that christianity is a rwligion ryt
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 8:54pm On Apr 29, 2016
Amberon:
do not send your children to school while they're yet to have minds of their own. it is a worse form of indoctrination as they will never get to Albert Einstein.

Ur analogy doesnt even correlate

Not Sending ur children to school is against the law of the land. Against the fundamental child right to education.

Indoctrinating ur children and sending ur children to school can neva be the same no matter how bad u want it to be.

Education does not have to believed. Mind u

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 8:55pm On Apr 29, 2016
Amberon:
islam is a relationship with God. Not a religion! Man made religion. God made islam and that was why muhammad came- to restore us back to God.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by ifenes(m): 9:35pm On Apr 29, 2016
Did I hear someone say do not send your kids to school to prevent indoctrination? Point of correction, school helps you with the basic knowledge and tools to think for your yourself and not what to think. Learning to read and write is a basic right for every kid.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 9:46pm On Apr 29, 2016
ifenes:
Did I hear someone say do not send your kids to school to prevent indoctrination? Point of correction, school helps you with the basic knowledge and tools to think for your yourself and not what to think. Learning to read and right is a basic right for every kids.

Indoctrination can cause one to even think education is evil e. G boko haram.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 6:52am On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


Indoctrination can cause one to even think education is evil e. G boko haram.


So would u convince ur child education is good evens if he thought for example it's stupid and evil.

If he told u he doesn't want to go to school, will u force him to go to school ?
Re: Child Indoctrination by Objectives: 8:41am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


So would u convince ur child education is good evens if he thought for example it's stupid and evil .


Education is a fundamental human right, and can not be stupid and evil, the hole in the bolded will be pointed out and the necessity of education will be explained thoroughly to the child,

Religion is not the same, not a fundamental human right, never will be.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 8:49am On Apr 30, 2016
Objectives:


Education is a fundamental human right, and can not be stupid and evil, the hole in the bolded will be pointed out and the necessity of education will be explained thoroughly to the child,

Religion is not the same, not a fundamental human right, never will be.

Who decides what's a fundamental right?
Re: Child Indoctrination by Objectives: 10:13am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:

Who decides what's a fundamental right?
Fundamental right to education you mean??
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 10:16am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


So would u convince ur child education is good evens if he thought for example it's stupid and evil.

If he told u he doesn't want to go to school, will u force him to go to school ?

I would obviously convince him education is good. This is a universal fact.

Education gives u knowledge and knowledge in todays world is power.

By the law . it is not a childs choice to choose whether he or she wants to go or not. He is compelled to go to school. Compelled to get an education
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 10:20am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


Who decides what's a fundamental right?

No one decide whats a fundamental right for in their nature they are fundamental. Irs just like asking who gets to decide if water is useful for life
Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 10:55am On Apr 30, 2016
Objectives:


Fundamental right to education you mean??

Yeah, only difference being this kid can't refuse education. He basically has no right to reject the knowledge of mathematics,literacy, biology etc

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 11:00am On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


I would obviously convince him education is good. This is a universal fact.

Education gives u knowledge and knowledge in todays world is power.

Then u agree with me, parents should teach their children Wat they consider to be true.


urahara:


By the law . it is not a childs choice to choose whether he or she wants to go or not. He is compelled to go to school. Compelled to get an education

Then I don't see why parents should stop teaching their kids what they consider true.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 11:14am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


Then u agree with me, parents should teach their children Wat they consider to be true.




Then I don't see why parents should stop teaching their kids what they consider true.


Parents should teach their children what is true not what. they BELIEVE to be true.

The fact that education is good is a universal fact not something merely considered to be true

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 11:24am On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:



Parents should teach their children what is true not what. they BELIEVE to be true.

The fact that education is good is a universal fact not something merely considered to be true

How is it a universal fact? Prove this fact
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 11:31am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


How is it a universal fact? Prove this fact


My dear i cant prove to u something u obviously know cool

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 11:35am On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


My dear i cant prove to u something u obviously know cool

The same way u know religious education is a good thing. Also a universal fact cool

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 11:55am On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


The same way u know religious education is a good thing. Also a universal fact cool

Educating the child about the many religions of the world is a good thing. Indoctrinating the child about your religious belief is a bad thing rather the child should be thought how to think on his own. Analyse and question everything.

Rather than just telling a child that so . so. Religion is right and that the thousands of others are wrong.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 12:00pm On Apr 30, 2016
Encourage them to question religious beliefs
Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 12:05pm On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


Educating the child about the many religions of the world is a good thing. Indoctrinating the child about your religious belief is a bad thing rather the child should be thought how to think on his own. Analyse and question everything.

Indoctrinating ur child with religious beliefs ain't a bad thing, it's just teaching ur child Wat u consider to be true, the exact same way a Atheist will teach his child there's no God, bible is fiction, evolution is true(not all atheists) etc.

urahara:


Rather than just telling a child that so . so. Religion is right and that the thousands of others are wrong.

Well same with evolution, same with morality, same with forcing ur kids to go to school.
Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 12:08pm On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:
Encourage them to question religious beliefs

That might be a good thing.
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 12:38pm On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


Indoctrinating ur child with religious beliefs ain't a bad thing, it's just teaching ur child Wat u consider to be true, the exact same way a Atheist will teach his child there's no God, bible is fiction, evolution is true(not all atheists) etc.



Well same with evolution, same with morality, same with forcing ur kids to go to school.

I as an atheist will NEVA ever teach my child that there is no god or that the bible is fiction . rather i ll endeavor that the child learns how to think for him or herself. How to critically think.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Objectives: 12:43pm On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


Yeah, only difference being this kid can't refuse education. [b]He basically has no right [/b]to reject the knowledge of mathematics,literacy, biology etc


No, he has a right to reject, but will guided properly to ensure he makes the right choices,

The world understands that education for a child's development is essential, more like a basic necessity, thus the widely accepted perception of education as a fundamental human right,

When you send a child to school, that's you playing your role in ensuring the child doesn't miss out on what's supposed to be a critical phase of their growing up,

Now education isn't limited to just the four walls of a creche or kindergatton or school as we know it,

My child tells me he doesn't want to go to school, where else does he want to be going?? Does his interest lie in other areas? Sports, the movie industry, Technology, or something else they have passion for that will not be harmful to them in the near-future?

You see its going to be a mutually inclusive converse, not a monologue, not cohesion, not cajoling.

Its natural to want to teach or involve your kids in what you believe will be necessary for their development,

But use of threats, battering, demonizing in the event of the child's lack of interest?

That's the problem with religious indoctrination, and ermmm,

I don't think education for a child is indoctrination.

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 12:58pm On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


Indoctrinating ur child with religious beliefs ain't a bad thing, it's just teaching ur child Wat u consider to be true, the exact same way a Atheist will teach his child there's no God, bible is fiction, evolution is true(not all atheists) etc.



Well same with evolution, same with morality, same with forcing ur kids to go to school.

U cant force ur kids if they insist they dont want to. But with indoctrination . the use of hell fire is always accompanied

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Objectives: 1:02pm On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


U cant force ur kids if they insist they dont want to. But with indoctrination . the use of hell fire is always accompanied

My sentiments precisely, the use of threat, why threaten a kid to accept what's supposed to be in their best interest

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Re: Child Indoctrination by Richirich713: 1:09pm On Apr 30, 2016
urahara:


U cant force ur kids if they insist they dont want to. But with indoctrination . the use of hell fire is always accompanied

The same way society uses prison to control kids rite?
Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 1:09pm On Apr 30, 2016
Objectives:


My sentiments precisely, the use of threat, why threaten a kid to accept what's supposed to be in their best interest

Fear is the main tool used by religions

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Re: Child Indoctrination by urahara(m): 1:16pm On Apr 30, 2016
Richirich713:


The same way society uses prison to control kids rite?

A prison is a place where u are confined for the crimes u have commited.

It is not a place where u are confined for not holding a belief.

Your analogy risks of dishonesty undecided. U are trying to justify the use of the fear of hell by all means .

Society does not use prison to control kids because kids
Dont even go to prison.

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