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Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by chaiks: 5:43pm On May 03, 2016 |
I I'll say go for your masters degree without wasting time. This is the right time for it considering the situation of the country. You at least can finance the masters program. Getting into a top Canadian university I'll surely open the doors for you anywhere. Besides, even if you finish, u can as well get a grant for PhD. Iknow you I'll be a good student for having made first class. The years spent for masters and PhD can fetch you temporary residence in canny. You will still be getting some money Tru part time job . by the time you finish, you must have gotten a blend of international experience having stayed away from your comfort zone. Even if there are no more vacancy in the oil sector, you can easily fox yourself as a lecturer in a Nigerian University. I wish I were in your shoe. 1 Like |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by khaz(m): 5:45pm On May 03, 2016 |
sukkot:Thanks |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by omonija2000(m): 5:45pm On May 03, 2016 |
tiniyata:poor man mentality bro.Try and get your permanent residence through Canadian education experience after your study. Canadian . Your education is enough to give you the required point under their selection factors. PhD makes anyone to be above poverty level anywhere in this world. Please note that the decision is not for you alone but also for your generation unborn. 1 Like |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by santori: 5:48pm On May 03, 2016 |
bros eeh, don't did it ooh. I've seen a foreign masters degree holder applying for a microfinance job. the labour market in Nigeria is already saturated. There are loads of over qualified nigerians unemployed. I even have a friend who is your fellow alumni that graduated with 1st class in 2012, this guy just got his first job November last year. only those that suffered a lot before landing their first job go understand. bros nor try I'm o |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by SweetSureboy(m): 5:49pm On May 03, 2016 |
Men's views about the 'uncertain tomorrow' should not be followed. Pray and let God guide you. Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying this is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand and when ye turn to the left. In addition, my opinion as a myopic mortal is that you should follow your dreams. You will find true happiness in the achievement of your dreams |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by amokemi(m): 5:55pm On May 03, 2016 |
@op, I believe deeply within you, you know what you want and whether the M.Sc or keeping the job will help you in achieving it. My own advice is this, go with your heart and damn the consequences. I have three kids and I will leave my banking job soon to pursue an MBA. I don't have everything figured out yet but it's a decision I have made. What if for whatever reason, the oil company doesn't require your service anytime soon? How will you feel? The Lord bless and prosper your ways. 2 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by KennyMKO: 5:58pm On May 03, 2016 |
My guy you have got brilliant reactions to your question so far ; let me just add a few words. I was in your shoes like 7 years ago but I eventually got my MSc Pet Eng through study leave/ Leave of absence after working for 5 years (in 2010). So what I am trying to say is the best is to defer the admission while trying to apply for Study Leave in your company. The advantages of this decision are: 1. You will somehow still have your job when things don't turn as you planned in Canada (Things are generally tough worldwide now in the oil industry) 2. You would have acquired enough experience to make your MSc studies very interesting / enjoyable and also provide you with foresight to know the program/ Thesis to pursue that will boost and enhance your current responsibilities and career in the oil industry 3. You would have saved more dough, evaluated your risk better and also seen some certainties about this uncertain crude oil price because it affects world's economics dynamics. Remember that due to this low oil price, many oil industry professionals have lost their jobs and still losing. In fact Canada is one of the worst hit economies in the world. I know a colleague that left one of the oil companies 10 years ago to pursue a Phd program abroad, it's now like 5 years after he had got the degree and things are still not easy (even lecturing job). He just got a part time job with a small oil servicing company last year and the job is shaky as we speak due to low oil price. Again another thing guys are resorting to is to go for online degrees, you only visit (US, UK, Canada or wherever your school is) once in a while without leaving your job. It's only after one finishes these degrees and back in job market that one realizes the essence of having a good job. Please take your time, think it through, pray about it and make your decision. May God guide you. Best of luck. 5 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by marksleek25: 5:58pm On May 03, 2016 |
reading your post, I decipher that you're already bored with the job. which for me, is the reason why you should take the masters offer as time off to get new exposures, new adventures, new everything. yes getting a job is so hard nowadays but with your experience and the exposure you'll get along with this academic tourism you have an opportunity of, I'd say go for your masters. that's if you have enough to fund it as well. Cuz personally, if I has the means n the experience out have, I'm taking the next flight to Canada. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Team16(m): 6:05pm On May 03, 2016 |
Personally speaking, I will say both of us are in same situation. Unilag, First class, oil company job but bro with how bored work is, I'm janding oh. It's quite tough securing admission in canada if you know what I'm talking of, especially the one that comes with funding cos you have to get a supervisor who has same research interest with yours. Luckily, I have one now n it's coming with funding. Hopefully, if I get my admission letter b4 this month runs out cos my supervisor just forwarded my name to admission committee and has recommended me for MSc to PHD direct in his group, I'm leaving this country bro. You know how the industry is right now and how the future of this country is going. I hope it gets better soon but presently now, I don’t want my kids anywhere close to this country for now (my personal opinion and desire). However, if you really want to be on top your game n be an authority in your field n have the desire to further till PHD, i think you should kill your fears and move on. Good things lies ahead. IMO. 3 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Nobody: 6:10pm On May 03, 2016 |
@op... for your info, my neighbor got 3 masters from different fields of studies and 1 PhD..... guess what¿ ..the dude is still phuckin jobless... after the master no be work you still want come use am fine?? WHO SCHOOL DON EPP SEF for Nigeria? .... the highest paid dude in Nigeria go ni?? 1 Like |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by ogawisdom(m): 6:13pm On May 03, 2016 |
bicmitchum: When u quit u will realize dt Msc n PhD abroad without a job after completion is useless. U dnt kw want u ve until u loose it better qualified first class graduates(4.8 to 5.0 cgpa) r roaming d Street in search of jobs n they will fight for this one wen u quit it. Nigeria uni produce over 2000 first class graduates yearly so first class n Msc applicants full town, in less than 5yrs PhD will full town too, like wise profs. U never searched for job dts y u r thinking like this 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Nobody: 6:13pm On May 03, 2016 |
I will speak to u as a brother and someone with experience cause Im presently doing my MSc in engineering in the U.S. Please keep your job and forget the MS for now especially if you're getting very well paid. I left my own job for MS but it's understandable because my pay was just o.k probably not as much as yours. I will always tell whoever likes to listen that masters is not a job. It's just education. The funniest thing you will realize is that most masters students in the U.S, up to 80% are foreigners.The American themselves no dey do masters like that. Once they graduate what they think abt is how to work and make money. I dont regret going for my masters because I always wanted it. But to give up your oil and gas job in Nigeria to come to the U.S without a scholarship and be paying tuition and bills when the exchange rate is 320 to a dollar is on the borderline of being dumb. Masters abroad is good but not worth a good job in Nigeria.Trust me. After MS, what next? You will still look for job again. How much sense does that make. Except your dad is very rich. Never take an offer for masters except it's funded. 6 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by idu1(m): 6:19pm On May 03, 2016 |
tellwisdom:Give reasons. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Adesolomon2014(m): 6:21pm On May 03, 2016 |
Why not apply for a study leave in your company, if that do not work, i will advise you to go for the master programd because b4 u knw it, ur company might require an added certification or qualification to keep you in the job or to advance ur post/career.. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by idu1(m): 6:26pm On May 03, 2016 |
bicmitchum:My friend stay in your job. And observe. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by GboyegaD(m): 6:30pm On May 03, 2016 |
bicmitchum: It all buoys down to what you want in life. Taking risk is good but it has to be one that is well thought of so that should it fail, you will remain undaunted as it was a risk you planned for. This said, I was in a similar position however, in my case, at my interview immediately after school, I told the panel I intend working with the bank for 4.5years, go back to school for Masters and then PhD. At the point I was leaving banking, many people had issues with my decision because they were of the opinion that my going to school was for a better prospect in life and been that I was a banker and my salary wasn't bad, I don't need to quit my job for school. I have left since for school, it has been interesting but there had been down moments particularly, when the going gets tough and challenging. I would encourage you think about it very well and if this is what you want for yourself, you may choose to wait till next year when you can get a study leave, defer your admission for personal reasons (this I believe is very possible if you are self sponsored however, if you get funding, you might have to reapply to the school), then take the risk at that time knowing that you could come back to your job should you not like the idea of furthering after your Masters. 1 Like |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by cevek11: 6:33pm On May 03, 2016 |
You can do an online program... If you work in an oil company, - you have time to read - fund to start and finish - laptop for streaming - all the different vacations are your right to take |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by humilitypays(m): 6:36pm On May 03, 2016 |
bicmitchum:Seriously Nigerians are damn sick! You are not even thinking of using your so-called oil company experience to startup an oil servicing company in partnership with some of your smart-thinking colleagues or to startup a business in a related field so as to create job and become a company owner and employer of labour in years to come, but you are here thinking of going to acquire another nonsense paper qualification just to justify your foolish ego. Now I see why Nigeria is under-developed with high rate of unemployment. People only think about acquiring paper qualifications just to answer professor, doctor, engineer, accountant, this and that without using it to create jobs and employ people… Its so unfortunate that the so-called first class graduates are just theory-minded and can´t create any meaningful solution to global problems, but only after paper qualifications to get job and get more pay and serve others till they die, so pathetic. Did Mark Zuckerburg graduate from Harvard university before he developed Facebook? How many masters does Seun Osewa have before he created nairaland? How many masters does Bill Gates have before he started Microsoft? How many masters does Aliko Dangote have? How many masters does Carlos Slim, and all the great people deciding global technology and economy future have? If you check well, the founder of that so-called oil company you are working with probably isn't a graduate talk more of a masters or PhD degree holder….but he employed you and many other Bsc, Msc, and PhD holders and deciding your fate and future in his bedroom, nonsense Nigerian youths, think! Use the money you have saved so far (that's if at all you are telling us the truth) to create job for other unemployed youths roaming the streets in search of a job to get started and stop pursuing paper qualification that will only make you a bigger slave and another man's servant! If you are truly smart, there are plenty opportunities to explore with the little money you have saved….I am sorry to say this (sincere apology to my great Yoruba friends), I am suspecting that you must be a Yoruba guy because you guys love paper qualification so much more than creativity, and why? Simply because you feel and believe that having big big degrees will make you become manager and director so that you will sit in another man´s company to be collecting big salary without any meaningful contribution than using juju to bring down others trying to climb close to your position! This is bad and we the younger Nigerian generation must correct this ill-mentality our useless fathers installed in us. I am so disappointed with all the people advising you….none of them ever told you to create jobs with the money you have saved or maybe you were using your income to live a luxury life and carrying runs girls up and down in the name of oil company worker…I pity the future of Nigeria because the youths today are not thinking of creating companies that will employ our unborn children, instead they are busy acquiring paper certificates to secure jobs in the few existing companies started by young people like them some years and decades ago, shame on all Nigerian youths, shame on you all!! 11 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by GboyegaD(m): 6:37pm On May 03, 2016 |
ogawisdom: It is all about interest and personal beliefs. Your class of degree or the degree in itself doesn't make you most time, it is what you push for in life that you get. 1 Like |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by tellwisdom: 6:38pm On May 03, 2016 |
idu1: Because he is mentally poor. He thinks he could not make it without Msc. So for that reason, I suggest he quits and secure his masters and let's see where he ends. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by GboyegaD(m): 6:40pm On May 03, 2016 |
Team16: The boldened part got me laughing. You know what you want for your family though. Are you applying to Canada too? |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Nobody: 6:42pm On May 03, 2016 |
TopsyKrete:Top secret |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by 41lady(m): 6:42pm On May 03, 2016 |
Bros.... B4 I advice U, I need to throw some questions; 1. Have U calculated how much it will cost for whole duration of the Master program? 2. If Yes to 1. above, is it enough for u to fall back on after graduation, in case u didn't get Canadian citizenship and work permit in canada for 1year b4 U get another work in Naija when U return? All things been equal, if all the above questions have sufficient financial back up, I will advice U to go for the masters but if not, continue with Ur work for at least another 2 or 3year since U r just in ur late 20th to avoid story that touch because just as U mentioned the white men are racist, that is for sure and it has become worst due to act of our brethren that involve in scams and drugs, which we international student are facing and experiencing presently. Also with the exchange rate problem, U need to have more than enough back up b4 u leave Nigeria. Best of success. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by ogawisdom(m): 6:48pm On May 03, 2016 |
omonija2000: Lol not in Nigeria, have u not heard abt PhD holders applying as truck drivers in dangote company bet u have not. There r lots of jobless PhD holders in Nigeria. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by bigfrancis21: 6:55pm On May 03, 2016 |
bicmitchum: First off, life in America is not all beds of roses. Now, I am going to be plain and direct with you about life in America and tell it to you as it is. I am not wont to give off the impression of America as heaven on earth while actually the reality in the same 'heaven' is the opposite for many people living here. As a new immigrant to this country, basically you are starting life afresh and you would need between 2 to 5 years to be able to stand on your feet in this country and this includes sorting out your permanent residency status (many people get married to a PRdent or citizen, join the US army and become a citizen immediately thereby bypassing the green card step but joining the army requires signing about 6 years of contract with them, or obtain their PR by doing business and investing up to $500,000 or $1,000,000 depending on the type of business or by refugee/asylum status etc.) and this could take about a year or two to achieve, going back to school here in the US to obtain a US degree (our Nigerian degrees are not usually recognized here and to land well-paying jobs in corporate america, as an immigrant you would need to obtain a US degree and any attendant certifications where and when necessary - be prepared to go back to school again here in the US, establishing a credit history for yourself (I cannot overemphasize the importance of starting early as soon as one gets to America to start building one's credit history as this is the key to so many doors of opportunity in this country) etc. and it takes at least a year or 2 to have satisfactory credit history and a good score, adapting to the American culture, learning Americans and their ways of thinking and doing things etc. America has a high taxation rate, especially for employees. The tax rate can be very high especially if you're single. To give you an example, from a paycheck of $1,500 for 2 weeks of work (here you are paid biweekly and not once every month end like in Nigeria), about $400 is deducted in form of federal taxes, state taxes etc. leaving you with about $1,100. Or out of an annual yearly salary of $70,000, your actual take home pay would be about $46,000 as a single individual, with about $24,000 paid to Uncle Sam as taxes. Now, if you're married or you have kids, the tax rate is lower. America is a beautiful country with an efficiently working system and well advanced technology in almost every facet of life. The weather is adorable such that within a year of staying here you begin to notice changes on your skin (with sunshine for only about 3 to 4 months of the entire year and cold/rain/snow for the remainder of the year, your skin begins to produce less and less of melanin pigment). The economy is robust such that without a university degree, there are lots of jobs for you to survive on but there is only an extent to how much you can make compared to having a US university degree. Food here is cheap and with $100 you can eat comfortably per month, especially if you cook at home. There is constant electricity 24/7 and you never have to worry about there being no light when you get home at night after a long stressful day. Water runs steadily at home - both hot and cold, and the choice is yours to use depending on the weather. Almost all homes are equipped with heaters and ACs such that you enjoy the best of summer and winter weathers. The system here works in so many ways. Depending on the state, there is often a minimum wage that is paid, and this ensures that nobody is unfairly underpaid in any work they do. Oh, did I forget the yearly tax returns? Did you know that every year you are required to file what they call a tax return, which is basically Uncle Sam's (nickname for the IRS) way of ensuring that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes and you are refunded some or all of Federal or/and state taxes you paid for the previous year which could amount to $1,000s? The internet service here is very fast with wi-fi in almost every house, on campus, some restaurants and fast food joints etc. There is much more enforced security and you can be sure of police arriving at your house in less than 5 minutes when you dial 911. The United States Postal Services works such that you barely have the need to use courier services except for international packages. The roads are all well-built with very few potholes here and there to ensure that your car lasts you quite a while. Needless to say, life in America is very comfortable but this comfort comes at a huge price. It is not for free neither is it cheap. On the flip side, nothing in America is free. Every freebie you enjoy is accounted for in this country. You pay for every social amenity you enjoy down to the very little of it. Out of your biweekly paychecks per month you pay for your rent (or mortgage if you bought the house), light bill, water bill, gas bill (for cooking and for the house heater depending on the house type), internet bill, cable TV bill, monthly phone bill (phone service in this country is based on month to month subscription and for any month you do not pay or renew your subscription, your line is totally cut off and you're disconnected from friends and family. This is in reverse to what we have in Nigeria whereby if you don't have money to recharge credit on your phone, your line still remains connected for as long as 6 months and you don't have to worry about any monthly subscription fees whatsoever), bus transportation fares or car loan monthly payments (if you purchased your car on loan), gas/fuel for your car, feeding, miscellaneous etc. With little or nothing left after paying all these bills per month, you'd realize that you need to savings of your own. Then you have your relatives and friends back home asking you to send them dollars that afterall you're picking dollars from the streets. To sum it up, you must have to work or be hardworking at whatever that you do to keep enjoying the social amenities that you enjoy. The system has been designed in such a way with several avenues that take the money away from you as you earn it, thus keeping you entrenched in the system. Now, who are those I strongly recommend to come to the US? Those people who have very little or nothing going for them in Nigeria. People who work quite hard but have very little or no hopes of making it in Nigeria, people who have very little hopes of achieving, at least, a middle class life - a house, a nice car, a good job etc. in Nigeria. For such people, I strongly recommend them to come to the US. Please come over with any opportunity that you can get. Perhaps with hard work, you would get to live in a middle class style home that you've always wanted, drive new cars and models of your choice (most times on car auto loan with payment plan to pay back the bank or loan lender), have an above-average income job, enjoy the social amenities of America, etc. That is just about it, nothing more nothing less. For those who already have a system working for them in Nigeria such as a successful business or a well-paying job with huge benefits today or sometime down the line, packing up your bags, abandoning a system already working for you and coming to the US would be your greatest folly. For this set of people, I would not recommend abandoning a system already working greatly for you just for the sake of going to obodo oyibo. With such system working for you, you could comfortably afford to visit the US at your leisure, come shopping in the US, etc. and still get to have a taste of American life while still having your system back home running for you. You get to taste the best of both worlds. As for Canada, the economy of Canada is not as robust as that of the US. Yes, getting your PR in Canada is easier than that of the US however there are fewer jobs in Canada than in the US. There are many Nigerians that have finished their graduate studies in Canada and even with their PR (permanent residency), they are yet to find jobs in their field of study because jobs are scarce. In both US and Canada, just like in Nigeria, the oil market sector has slumped and oil companies have been laying off workers and there's currently a hiring freeze. My suggestion to you would be to get a study leave with pay, or even without pay, to go to Canada to do your masters. DO NOT resign from your job before leaving. Get a study leave before coming, such that while doing your masters in Canada you get to study the economy and market here and if you decide to remain behind, you can then resign from your job. If after completing your MS you see that returning to Nigeria is a better option for you, you still have your job secured for you and you could always visit the US and/or Canada for vacation. With all of these said, it is left to you to evaluate your situation and see where you stand. The ball is in your court and the decision is yours. I ji ji, jide mma (you hold the yam and also the knife, meaning you how you choose to cut the yam is your decision to make). Cheers. 12 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by lucky032(m): 6:56pm On May 03, 2016 |
metorichmond: But true true bro,are there no virgins again? I want to marry one. |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by iph0neb0t: 6:58pm On May 03, 2016 |
Personally If I was in your shoes I will stay in Naija, no time I have lived in canada for 7yrs now , came here for masters and better life 1st of all , coming here as an international student and paying international student fees is outragious. that money fit start business for naija that will grow into something big , or lets assume the business fails, you would have gotten alot of contacts that you will never get in canada. They give you the admission because of the funds you are bringing in ooh nothing else. You will be an immigrant , you cannot work , nothing for you ( you should be able to apply for work permit after sometime though) getting a job after graduating is a pain in the butt, no love here oohh, your naija experience no go count at all. you will be starting from the very beginning. another thing which school? university of toronto? mcgill? to me the best school in canada in university of western ontario its in london, most ceo's in canada come out of this school. not saying uoft or mcgill or other universities are bad , but if I where to do it again na only that school I go go. now you have to factor in living expenses if you are in toronto , or vancouver , rent is not childs play, car insurance is not cheap, nothing is cheap in these cities. did i mention when you graduate your job search will not be easy? you are an immigrant also , so remember, they will always pick a canadian residence or a pr holder over you, you will definately get a job but factor in the time you would have wasted. remember the oil drop is everywhere including canada, oil jobs are better in alberta. basically if you want better living , you get plenty money and lots of time you should do it if you are completely bored of your job and there is no growth , do it if you cant wait till you get a study leave, do it ( do not quit your job ) the grass is not always greener on the other side 4 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by ogawisdom(m): 6:59pm On May 03, 2016 |
humilitypays: Spot on In d next ten years PhD will b like wasc jst take a trip to any Nigerian uni n see d number of graduates enrolling for MSC n PhD programme, it soo much nw we do nothing but schooling a certificate after another n only hope to secure employment. We need more dangotes 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by humilitypays(m): 7:06pm On May 03, 2016 |
ogawisdom:Don't mind Nigerians, we are not just creative in Nigeria....our lives just follow a pre-defined pattern: go to school, graduate with good result, go for NYSC, look for a job, go for Masters so that u can become the manager of another creative man's company...and then if possible, acquire a PhD certificate to intimidate your mates and colleagues and to show that u sabi book well well...and at the end, u have no sustainable thing for your children to inherit aside the money u stole from other people's companies and government purse (if u succeed in getting political appointment) This is the sole reason Nigeria is a corrupt country with skyrocketing rate of unemployment! We lack creative youths who are bold and smart enough to think of creating their own companies to employ others...all Nigerians want the easy way out- get a job and start immediately to receive big salary and start to carry girls up and down, shame 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by Eruditor: 7:06pm On May 03, 2016 |
Mitch (If you are who I think you are), please listen to MsNas and forget the chimerical euphoria that you think will be derived from any Masters degree. You seem to be out of touch with how Master's programmes work these days. With your class of degree, you should get the admission to Canada, absolutely tuition free unless your are considering an MEng and not an MSc. And if you are considering the former, it will be an abominable waste of resources. Enough said. 2 Likes |
Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by humilitypays(m): 7:15pm On May 03, 2016 |
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Re: Masters Or Stay On Job? by ocheejemb: 7:16pm On May 03, 2016 |
If you have some savings, now is probably as good as any time. You sound smart and articulate, so I'm sure you'll get something appropriate in Canada at the end of your studies, especially from such a highly ranked school. bicmitchum: |
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