JackBizzle:



One of these things is not like the others

-It is impossible to create a square with 3 sides. A square doesnt have 3 sides
-It is impossible to state the shape of purple. Purple has no shape
-It is impossible to create a square circle. A square cannot be a circle
-It is possible to make a rock that you can't carry. The rock just has to be heavier than your energy


You can see that your analogy is seriously faulty.

Any human being can make a rock that he or she can not carry. It must be heavier than their energy can handle. Square-circles and 3 sided squares are just ridiculous strawmen you put to derail the argument.

Nope I put square circles and 3 sided squares to show u how illogical questions look since it's seems u not familiar with them.

Lol Any human being can break his own arm, any human being can stop existing, that's the flaws of being a human being.

Asking "Can God created a stone so heavy that even he can't move " is logically incoherent. U can't put God's omnipotence against himself

God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.

Richirich713:



Nope I put square circles and 3 sided squares to show u how illogical questions look since it's seems u not familiar with them.

Lol Any human being can break his own arm, any human being can stop existing, that's the flaws of being a human being.

Asking "Can God created a stone so heavy that even he can't move " is logically incoherent. U can't put God's omnipotence against himself

God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.

You made two important statements

1) U can't put God's omnipotence against himself
2) God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.


Here is my reply to those statements

1) You are admitting that God's omnipotence can't look itself in the mirror. This means that it can't stand an unbiased reflection of itself. It can't live up to scrutiny. This is why I say that omnipotence is a self-refuting contradiction. It is impossible to be able to do everything.

2) You said that God cannot do the logically impossible. Creating a rock that you cannot carry is not logically impossible- it is a very easy task for a human being.

JackBizzle:



You made two important statements

1) U can't put God's omnipotence against himself
2) God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.


Here is my reply to those statements

1) You are admitting that God's omnipotence can't look itself in the mirror. This means that it can't stand an unbiased reflection of itself. It can't live up to scrutiny. This is why I say that omnipotence is a self-refuting contradiction. It is impossible to be able to do everything.

Omnipotent - Means almighty in power, it doesn't mean the ability to do anything.

JackBizzle:


2) You said that God cannot do the logically impossible. Creating a rock that you cannot carry is not logically impossible- it is a very easy task for a human being.

It's one of the flaws of being human, I can also not exist, I can also kill myself. God doesn't have any flaws, he's the greatest possible being.

Richirich713:


Omnipotent - Means almighty in power, it doesn't mean the ability to do anything.



It's one of the flaws of being human, I can also not exist, I can also kill myself. God doesn't have any flaws, he's the greatest possible being.

Are you indirectly admitting that there are things your almighty God cannot do?


I also hope that you realise that perfection too is a flaw? Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?

JackBizzle:


Are you indirectly admitting that there are things your almighty God cannot do?


I also hope that you realise that perfection too is a flaw? Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?

No I'm admitting nothing, just telling like it is. Using God omnipotence against him is not logical.


Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?
What?

God is a maximally great being, he possesses all qualities that are better to have aka great making properties. Flaws are not better to have, like for real it's called flaws for a reason.

Richirich713:


No I'm admitting nothing, just telling like it is. Using God omnipotence against him is not logical.


Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?
What?

God is a maximally great being, he possesses all qualities that are better to have aka great making properties. Flaws are not better to have, like for real it's called flaws for a reason.

Not having a flaw is a flaw in itself. It seems that you do not understand what a paradox is.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.


A flaw, like a problem, can be a blessing in disguise.

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Your God's omnipotence is actually his greatest flaw. Killed by his own perfection. Too much of anything is bad. Your God has too much power which made him illogical.

Your God is sooo powerful that he can't kill himself. He knows so much that he can't be ignorant but if he can't be ignorant, he can't know the experience of being ignorant.

Richirich713:

Asking "Can God created a stone so heavy that even he can't move " is logically incoherent. U can't put God's omnipotence against himself

God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.

Am surprised that this argument is still going on here
I just noticed that Kingebuka skipped this before he stopped talking, and you're following in his line again.
God can't do illogical things, only logical things
You're only using illogical for things you believe impossible..and your square analogy like others are just absurdities..How can you still call something with 3 sides a square? Find a name for it.

There's how I like answering some questions and this is what I told Kingebuka about that bolded above.
So God can only do logical things like killing the cannanites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere

Is the above through?

JackBizzle:


Not having a flaw is a flaw in itself. It seems that you do not understand what a paradox is.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.


A flaw, like a problem, can be a blessing in disguise.

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Your God's omnipotence is actually his greatest flaw. Killed by his own perfection. Too much of anything is bad. Your God has too much power which made him illogical.

Your God is sooo powerful that he can't kill himself. He knows so much that he can't be ignorant but if he can't be ignorant, he can't know the experience of being ignorant.

Again Maximum greatest, perfection by definition means no flaws. God can't create a square with 3 sides cuz a square by definition must have 4 sides.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.

Exactly the floor aint perfect since it lacks other properties. God is perfect in all properties better to have, his a maximally great being.

dblackninja:

Am surprised that this argument is still going on here
I just noticed that Kingebuka skipped this before he stopped talking, and you're following in his line again.

Rather he got tired of dealing with illogical questions getting repeated.

dblackninja:

God can't do illogical things, only logical things
You're only using illogical for things you believe impossible..and your square analogy like others are just absurdities..How can you still call something with 3 sides a square? Find a name for it.

God can't create a square with 3 sides, it's not possible since a square by definition only has 4 sides.

dblackninja:

There's how I like answering some questions and this is what I told Kingebuka about that bolded above.
So God can only do logical things like killing the cannanites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere

Is the above through?

Yeah moving the goal post now right? Trying to change the topic right?

JackBizzle:



Bleach has finished naa!

As for Naruto, I gave up on it. After the ninja war in Shipuuden, Naruto became silly.

Bleach never finish oo. The manga is still on. While the anime has been halted.


After the ninja war , naruto ended

Richirich713:

Rather he got tired of dealing with illogical questions getting repeated.

He got tired?? Nah we got tired and moved to other meaningful discussions.

God can't create a square with 3 sides, it's not possible since a square by definition only has 4 sides.

This isn't the question. How can that even be a question?? I told you to find out what something with 3 sides is called

Yeah moving the goal post now right? Trying to change the topic right?

Do you actually know the topic before you delve in to answer?
Is that the answer to my question based on what you said? Your answer is pathetic
If you can't really answer the question then let's end this now its already sore. The only conclusion I can draft from what you're saying is that God can't do all things....erm but he claims he can do the all things (omnipotent)

dblackninja:


He got tired?? Nah we got tired and moved to other meaningful discussion.

Nah atheists don't get tired when repeating illogical arguments, it's part of their traditional. Theists don't have time to argue back and forth.

dblackninja:

This isn't the question. How can that even be a question?? I told you to find out what something with 3 sides is called

Just showing u what's illogical questions since it seems u ain't familiar with them.

dblackninja:

Do you actually know the topic before you delve in to answer?
Is that the answer to my question based on what you said? Your answer is pathetic
If you can't really answer the question then let's end this now its already sore. The only conclusion I can draft from what you're saying is that God can't do all things....erm but he claims he can do the all things (omnipotent)

Nah what's pathetic here is trying to change the topic to the Canaanites.

Omnipotence means almighty in power not God can do illogical things. I said quite clearly already God can only do what's logically coherent. Maybe it's more correct to say we can only understand God thru logic.

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Richirich713:

Nah what's pathetic here is trying to change the topic to the Canaanites.

Omnipotence means almighty in power not God can do illogical things. I said quite clearly already God can only do what's logically coherent. Maybe it's more correct to say we can only understand God thru logic.

Changing the topic to the Canaanites? Devious evasion again
Meeen this is the last I gonna try.

So God can only do logical things like killing the Amorites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere

Is the above through?

NB: I've changed Canaanites to something else Pls don't say I've changed the topic again to Amorites because that will be...

dblackninja:

Changing the topic to the Canaanites? Devious evasion again
Meeen this is the last I gonna try.

So God can only do logical things like killing the Amorites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere

Is the above through?

NB: I've changed Canaanites to something else Pls don't say I've changed the topic again to Amorites because that will be...

Yeah I'm gona ignored this, bye

Richirich713:
Yeah I'm gona ignored this, bye

Good of you I can now rest

dblackninja:


Good of you I can now rest

his laughing at u, u the idi0t who doesn't even know wats logically possible nd wats not.

Get urself a book on philosophy, look up possible world's, cuz asking " So God can only do logical things like killing the Amorites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere" shows u ain't got a clue what is meant by logically possible or logically impossible.

U the idi0t who thinks the omnipotence paradox is a strong argument, there's not a single professional philosopher(atheist or theist) I know who uses it as a argument against the ontological argument, it's only layman like u who think it's powerful, in academia it's dead, a joke philosophers laugh at. Kids stuff

Richirich713:

Get urself a book on philosopher, look at possible world's, cuz asking " So God can only do logical things like killing the Amorites and co through the help of the Israelites and can't do illogical things like raining food=manna from the atmosphere" shows u ain't got a clue what is meant by logically possible or logically impossible.

Teacher teach me nonsense

SirWere:


Judging from Batman and Superman,
Superhero comics are getty real crappy

I haven't seen it yet though. Can't wait.

But if you really think it is crappy, what will you say when you see Nollywood's version?

Richirich713:


Again Maximum greatest, perfection by definition means no flaws. God can't create a square with 3 sides cuz a square by definition must have 4 sides.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.

Exactly the floor aint perfect since it lacks other properties. God is perfect in all properties better to have, his a maximally great being.

What other properties should a floor have?


Again, you are ignorant on what a paradox is. A paradox is a statement that contradicts itself but yet might be true.


Perfection is a paradox. Perfection means "no flaws" but then again, perfection itself can be a flaw.


A good example is a perfectly moral person (let's call him Mr. Godd). This Mr. Godd can not lie, cheat or steal. Imagine that there are Boko Haram killers at the door of Mr. Godd who is hiding christians in a secret compartment that no one can find. If the Boko Haram killers ask Mr. Godd if there are any christians in his house, Mr. Godd cannot lie. He will condemn the christians to their death with the truth.

If you were a christian hiding in Mr Godd's house, wouldnt you think that Mr. Godd's perfection is a flaw that would get you killed?


Too much of anything is bad. Perfection is too good to be good.


Your God is too powerful and that makes him conceptually illogical and evil. As we all know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We can see how your God used his powers to flood the world. How he burnt Sodom and Gomorrah.

Just look at the power you have over an ant- one false step and the ant is flattened. Power is dangerous.





At the end of the day, who God's omnipotence don epp? Who God don epp?

hahn:


I haven't seen it yet though. Can't wait.

But if you really think it is crappy, what will you say when you see Nollywood's version?

hahn:


I haven't seen it yet though. Can't wait.

But if you really think it is crappy, what will you say when you see Nollywood's version?

Boss, watch the film only when you want to be filled with disappointment.

The Nollywood version will be good for the film. At least the producers will be able to point and say "there, that's a movie worse than ours"

joseph1832:
LOL. I'll say DC comics adaptation into movies is crappy. Marvel seems to be doing pretty well.

Have you seen, Justice League Vs Teen Titans? Its a cartoon adaptation.

Wonderwoman, supergirl, son of batman.......
All recent comic movies, all bleeped up

Reyginus:
Lol. How do you know that?

The process, in a nutshell, involves seperating the spinal nerves from the head to the body.
Unfortunately, in man, the spinal and brain nerves are so fused we can't seperate them from the other.

Actually, we can. It's called beheading

urahara:


Manga fan. Baddeeesttt.
Which anime s do u watch

Naruto Bleach Shingeki no Kyogin
I used to watch One piece......but I fell off the wagon after a while

SirWere:


Wonderwoman, supergirl, son of batman.......
All recent comic movies, all bleeped up

What do you mean, all recent comic movies are all fvcked up?

Deadpool? Captain America? They were great!

SirWere:


Naruto
Bleach
Shingeki no Kyogin

I used to watch One piece......but I fell off the wagon after a while

Attack on titan? That was a great anime.

You should watch death note or parasyte. Great animes.

SirWere:

Boss, watch the film only when you want to be filled with disappointment.

The Nollywood version will be good for the film. At least the producers will be able to point and say "there, that's a movie worse than ours"

Lol. It's that bad?

I think I saw Tonto Dike somewhere in the trailer

hahn:

Lol. It's that bad?
I think I saw Tonto Dike somewhere in the trailer

Seeing is believing.

Tonto dike ke? From bad to worse

JackBizzle:



Attack on titan? That was a great anime.

You should watch death note or parasyte. Great animes.

Yea, it's an epic anime. Just waitinng for them to start the f++king thing again!!


Deathnote?? I think I've watched the anime before.

JackBizzle:



What do you mean, all recent comic movies are all fvcked up?

Deadpool? Captain America? They were great!

Deadpool is funny, no doubt about that. It proved a long-standing thesis of mine :
"Even men made of metal are vulnerable once you kick em in the balls" .

Captain America............. I dunno, i haven't watched it.

But that's only two out of the multitude we have.....

JackBizzle:


What other properties should a floor have?

I don't know , It should be more dry, it should be electrically program to sumhow change its properties at the last second to avoid some1 slipping.

JackBizzle:

Again, you are ignorant on what a paradox is. A paradox is a statement that contradicts itself but yet might be true.


Perfection is a paradox. Perfection means "no flaws" but then again, perfection itself can be a flaw.

U contradicting urself when u say, a being that has no flaws, has flaws since he has no flaws. It's again like taking about squares with 3 sides.

As I said : "Again Maximum greatest, perfection by definition means no flaws".

"God is a maximally great being, he possesses all qualities that are better to have aka great making properties. Flaws are not better to have, like for real it's called flaws for a reason".

I'm talking about a maximally great being, not perfection in one property, perfection in one property ain't maximal greatness.

JackBizzle:

A good example is a perfectly moral person (let's call him Mr. Godd). This Mr. Godd can not lie, cheat or steal. Imagine that there are Boko Haram killers at the door of Mr. Godd who is hiding christians in a secret compartment that no one can find. If the Boko Haram killers ask Mr. Godd if there are any christians in his house, Mr. Godd cannot lie. He will condemn the christians to their death with the truth.

If you were a christian hiding in Mr Godd's house, wouldnt you think that Mr. Godd's perfection is a flaw that would get you killed?

Too much of anything is bad. Perfection is too good to be good.

U see the problem is mr good has flaws
, he's not maximally great in all properties better to have. He's only perfectly good. He's not a maximally great being meaning by definition he has flaws and he does, he's not all-knowing nor is he all powerful.

If he was all powerful he could easily stop Boko haram, if he was omniscient he could easily stop Boko haram.

JackBizzle:


Your God is too powerful and that makes him conceptually illogical and evil. As we all know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

How does being omnipotent make God evil and illogical? Also having power doesn't corrupt beings that has no flaws, it's only corrupts humans who have flaws like being greedy and power hungry.

JackBizzle:

We can see how your God used his powers to flood the world. How he burnt Sodom and Gomorrah.

Don't see how this has anything to do with the omnipotent paradox.

JackBizzle:

Just look at the power you have over an ant- one false step and the ant is flattened. Power is dangerous.

Yeah power can be dangerous, doesn't mean it's a flaw. All depends on how u use it.

JackBizzle:

At the end of the day, who God's omnipotence don epp? Who God don epp?

Nope the existence of God is so logical that his existence can be proved by logic alone.