johnw74:


@bold, herray, you got something right

Ashamed to tell us your church -- the so called truthful church? lol


Thats what i like the catholics for, they proclaim thier faith.


Tell us ur truthful pastor/ church

tolugar:
No they Honour Mary.

They always ask for Her intercession in prayers.

Inspired by the event in Cana where via Her intercession water was turned into wine. John 2:1-11.

Ever since she is regarded by faithful Catholics as a Mother of Grace, Queen of Heaven, ...

I disagree with you big time and I stand to be corrected that you guys worship mary.

Many Catholic are ignorant and do not really know the difference btw honour and worship. I was catholic and was deep in it too, so I can what goes on there.

We can share ideas and biblical evidences to prove this.

cynosure489:


Ashamed to tell us your church -- the so called truthful church? lol


Thats what i like the catholics for, they proclaim thier faith.


Tell us ur truthful pastor/ church

Bros this is not about church or what a pastor is, but what the word of God says. the bible stated clearly that.......

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So why praying through Mary again?

Jesus has done the work on the cross and has sent us a helper to lead us on.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So what role does Mary have to play again, abi we nor understand the bible English?

As loaded and knowledgeable as Apostle Paul was, he didn't mention Mary for once because it is irrelevant. He wrote majority of the new testament and was loaded with deep mystery and revelation.

laribari:


Bros this is not about church or what a pastor is, but what the word of God says. the bible stated clearly that.......

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

So why praying through Mary again?

Jesus has done the work on the cross and has sent us a helper to lead us through.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So what role does Mary have to play again, abi we nor understand the bible English?

I only asked a simple question. Spare me the sermon.

By the way, you can help him out by telling us where the truth is.

A very simple question.

Muafrika2:
Yeah.

The Mary statues are usually carved with the hand this posture↓↓(blessing - which means they expect "her" to bless them)

And the bowing and lighting candles and incense upon her fit. She receives more prayers that even God. Which makes me wonder, do Catholics refer to Jesus at all in their prayers? They don't give his statue the same attention as Mary

(Sorry Catholics)

After Mass people go there to pray and they knee down.
I wonder why someone who can pray to Jesus directly will first go through Mary. Is there a barren us and Jesus? If there was then that was before HE she'd His blood for us. Now are we the sons of God and joint heir with Christ.
So I come to the father directly with the help of the HolyGhost which Apostle Paul also preached about.


[1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

If we are now joint heir with Christ according to the bible, then it means we are now spiritually at the same level with Christ in terms of inheritance and we shall be exactly as HE is when HE appears.

So why do I need an intercessor to Access a Christ that has placed me at the same level with HIM? The bible says "Ye are Christ" that is because we are now one in God. HE is the head and we (the church) HIS body. So what intercessor do I need again? Isn't that time wasting and scriptural blasphemy?

cynosure489:


I only asked a simple question. Spare me the sermon.

By the way, you can help him out by telling us where the truth is.

A very simple question.

Sorry about the sermon, I was only trying to school you.

Okay.....back your question.

The truth is in the WORD of GOD. Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the life.

laribari:



After Mass people go there to pray and they knee down.
I wonder why someone who can pray to Jesus directly will first go through Mary. Is there a barren us and Jesus? If there was then that was before HE she'd His blood for us. Now are we the sons of God and joint heir with Christ.
So I come to the father directly with the help of the HolyGhost which Apostle Paul also preached about.


[1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

If we are now joint heir with Christ according to the bible, then it means we are now spiritually at the same level with Christ in terms of inheritance and we shall be exactly as HE is when HE appears.

So why do I need an intercessor to Access a Christ that has placed me at the same level with HIM? The bible says "Ye are Christ" that is because we are now one in God. HE is the head and we (the church) HIS body. So what intercessor do I need again? Isn't that time wasting and scriptural blasphemy?

I agree. We need to be confident as God's Children. Enough to talk to Him. These introduced intercessors are cutting off Christians from a personal relationship with God.

laribari:


Sorry about the sermon, I was only trying to school you.

Okay.....back your question.

The truth is in the WORD of GOD. Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the life.

1 Timothy 3:15
But, if I am delayed, you should know the manner in which it is necessary to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and the foundation of truth.

Where is this church today? Is it your church that you are ashamed of? Simple question -- I am ashamed of you. Even if not for my sake, at least others are reading, show them this church timothy was talking about.

People are ashamed of thier faith..Shame!

cynosure489:


1 Timothy 3:15
But, if I am delayed, you should know the manner in which it is necessary to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and the foundation of truth.

Where is this church today? Is it your church that you are ashamed of? Simple question -- I am ashamed of you. Even if not for my sake, at least others are reading, show them this church timothy was talking about.

People are ashamed of thier faith..Shame!

The church Paul is talking about is NOT Roman Catholic Church!

The Roman Catholic Church is anything but the church of GOD. A church whose doctrines and dogmas are in stark contrast to the pure Word of GOD, teaching as doctrines the commanments of men. How can you say that is church of GOD?

The bolded part above: what truth is the catholic church holding up today?

cynosure489:


Ashamed to tell us your church -- the so called truthful church? lol


Thats what i like the catholics for, they proclaim thier faith.


Tell us ur truthful pastor/ church

You are sounding like false jw's
a church or pastor doesn't matter, the truth of the Bible does
and the Bible shows that the only queen of heaven is a false goddess

you are just being spiteful because you have been shown to be wrong

koice:
It's a well established fact that Roman Catholics worship Mary. When Pope John Paul II survived his first assassination attempt, did you know who he thought that saved him? Yep, Mary.

You just displayed how totally ignorant you are of not only Catholic but Christian doctrine. When John Paul 2 or any Catholic says the Virgin Mary has saved him, he means by her intercessory prayers to her Son. Read up on what the Communion of Saints means and perhaps you would understand better. Anyway I would like to hear you condemn St Paul for saying the following:

To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.

laribari:


I disagree with you big time and I stand to be corrected that you guys worship mary.

Many Catholic are ignorant and do not really know the difference btw honour and worship. I was catholic and was deep in it too, so I can what goes on there.

We can share ideas and biblical evidences to prove this.

Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

cynosure489:


1 Timothy 3:15
But, if I am delayed, you should know the manner in which it is necessary to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and the foundation of truth.

Where is this church today? Is it your church that you are ashamed of? Simple question -- I am ashamed of you. Even if not for my sake, at least others are reading, show them this church timothy was talking about.

People are ashamed of thier faith..Shame!

Sorry this is gonna be long or a sermon as you call it, but very important that you know it.

I am so ashamed of you as a Christian honestly. I have proved through the scriptures why we can't pray through Mary. Paul and Co, was there ever a time they prayed through Mary? You are talking about church.

Firstly, you asked me where is the truth and now where is a church. This problem with catholic is dat they don't follow the bible.

Who told you am ashamed of my church? The thing is I am knowledgeable than you in the word of God and some of ur words are that of a babe.

Before God, there is no redeem, deeper life, catholic etc, so your hammering on a particular church as the true church is laughable and that is why I won't mention any church because it doesn't matter but from my words you should know I am a believer of the word. Abi didn't Paul say there is neither male or female before the LORD but the church? Who is the Church? The saints worldwide from different denominations who are true to God's word.

The problem with catholic is that do not follow what the bible says.
I have proven to you scripturally why we can't go through Mary becos there is only one mediator today and that is Jesus Christ and we are now joint heir with Him, so I can talk to him directly. Besides, He said He has sent us a helper in the person of the Holyghost, so we can talk directly to the father their His own spirit. So where does Mary come in? These were His last words before He ascended finally and He could av given us directives concerning but He didn't because it will be blasphemous against the Holyghost he said was coming to help us after He has ascended. The last Jesus mentioned of Mary was when He said John behold thy mother and that was pointing out something else which I can show you but I don't wanna add it yet to my already long write up.

Papist:

Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

Talking about bowing to idols, do not say I didn't warn you. Mary, st Joseph etc.

It is wrong to pray to them becos Paul made it clear that we are co labourer in the Vineyard of Christ. They are not more special than we are before God. Didn't say call himself chief sinner? Who what can st Paul's statue do and he himself needed salvation. Show me one place in the new Testament when we were commanded to do this or seek prayer from Mary? These are all doctrines from man and has no scriptural backing.

Jesus said in John 16:26. That we now have direct access of prayer to the father and not even Him should pray on our behalf becos of our new standing in Christ.

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Do you know why we are asked not to do it? because in the process some people will start worshipping them without knowing and they will give it Anoda name.....honouring!

But at least the bible warned us against having images and that is why new generation churches don't even put picture of Jesus in the church, because some silly people might start bowing to it or look at it like God. The bible says no man has seen God.

Catholic houses idols, from Mary to statue of Jesus, to st Paul, st Joseph, angels etc: and they sell these things.

Besides, why do catholic still have Jesus on the cross (statue). This is the biggest atrocity against God and an abomination.

Jesus is Alive and not on the cross anymore. Our victory is not because He died but because He rose from the dead and today death has lost its victory, hence the grace has been denied.
Do you think dying was a big deal since all man also die? The real deal is His ressurection, so what are u remembering His death for? Common celebrate His victory.

If you still sample Jesus on the cross you are indirectly saying He is not risen. Ignorance is not an excuse. My people perish for lack of knowledge. Who are these His people? Christians.

To add that, He said John behold ur mother and not Peter. If it were Peter we can relate it with the church but it was a personal relationship btw mother and son that Jesus was talking about.

There are two things confusing catholics.

1. Wedding at Cana. 2. John behold thy mother.

When Mary told Jesus that wine had finished what did He tell Mary?
He was furious and angry because Mary was forward and didn't under the timing of His death and ressurection. Jesus was going to do it anyways, whether He knows the celebrant or not because He was passing a message but told Mary....woman (He didn't even say mother) my time hasn't come. What does that mean? It can also mean....please do not push me or tell me what to do because I was waiting for a particular time already.

Mary then said to the servants and not Jesus' disciples, saying whatever He tells you, do it.

To me that is another fast forward statement if we say she was refering to His disciples and it means she trying to take the glory before the disciples, reminding them in quote "Jesus is my son".

Do you in your widest imagination think anything Jesus tells His disciples that they wouldn't do it? Of course they will, without Mary getting involved or asking them to do anything Jesus tells them: of cos they are His disciples.

Jesus rebuked her by saying woman what have I to do with you, my time hasn't come but unknown to Mary is that Jesus was refering to the time of His death and ressurection because that is the only reason why Jesus will offer us His blood in the form of wine. Catholic people don't see that part when Jesus rebuked her but they use the marriage as excuse to worship Mary and they don't even understand what goes on in that passage.

Now, if we say the servants are not his disciples but catering service people, it is okay for Mary to tell them whatever Jesus tells you to do, do it; because the people there do not know Jesus, after all that was His first recorded miracle and it was Mary that the celebrate probably invited, while Mary invited Jesus and His disciplines. This was why Mary was concerned because she is close to the couple getting married.

Hence, if Mary was refering to servants (outside Jesus discipleship), then what business or connection does it have with the church? Trust me, Mary wasn't refering to the disciples because it will be stupid to tell them to carry Jesus' order as if they will not, instead she was refering to the catering service people. In verse one of that chapter, the bible refers to Jesus' disciples as disciples and not servants, so that we don't mix the two up.
Besides, the disciples are also guests.

Jesus spoke to her in that scene as her LORD and saviour by rebuking her, speaking abt His death and ressurection but Mary was getting carried away with physical things, being His surrogate mother. Jesus meant Serious business in that marriage and wanted to demonstrate something unique and Mary was being a distraction.

If you notice in John 2:7, Jesus said they should fill 6 pots to the brime and in the next verse, He said DRAW OUT NOW. Do you know why? He had waited for the perfect time despite they ha already filled the pots. He didn't do it because Mary said and at the time Mary said it, after all He already said He was waiting for a certain hour and Mary shouldn't get involved.


The wedding of cana has a mystery and only those with gift of revelation knowledge can see it. THIS IS THE MYSTERY.


The wedding of Cana was talking about Jesus union and Marriage with the church. Also it was talking about Jesus death and Ressurection, so where does Mary come in, seein that Jesus REBUKED her interference ? she had no role to play when it comes to Jesus and the church (his bride).


NOTICE THIS:

The 6 pots of water stands for a man because 6 is the number of a man according to revelation 13:18. Being man was created on the 6th day.

The man is a vessel but of stone. Stone means hardened!, and Jesus commanded the stones be removed and filled the vessel with water in the manner of spiritual cleansing after the manner of Jews. He then waited for some time and that was the time the water had turned wine. The wine represents His blood (through His death) which is for our santification as a vessel unto honour.


The wedding before Mary was ordinary as it actually was but before Christ it was serious business after all it was his first recorded miracle to remind us or show us His divine purpose of coming.

Mary has no role in our salvation as a church and I pity catholics because I was once there, being that I was born there and not a choice I made on my own. Discover the truth by yourself in God's word.

johnw74:


There is no queen of heaven mentioned in those verses
and many will tell you that the woman in revelation 12 isn't Mary but Israel, who also gave birth to the man child
the time is the end times, read the chapter and refrences

the chapter is talking of a time that is still future

the crown of twelve stars represent Israel, the twelve tribes, the same as the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem represent Israel

Rev_21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

also the twelve angels are twelve stars
read early chapters of revelation and see where stars represent angels

a terrible lie, the verb was written in past tense appeared" showing that it is a sigh that has occured, if not why is it talking about the fight that have already occured in heaven of the good angels fighting the rebelious one, or are u trying to say that satan who the good angels rejoiced as being cast down is still in heaven because the vision is something that will occur in future

Queen of Heaven?

Nor be Queen of Angels again? Besides, if there is a Queen in Heaven then what role is God the Father and Jesus holding? There are no two rules in a kingdom; you are either a king or a queen. This is why Jesus said I and the father are one because there is only 1 ruler in every kingdom.

Queen of angels? Well there are no female angels anywhere and only Michael and Gabriel were revealed to us as God's highest angels.

DoctorAlien:


The church Paul is talking about is NOT Roman Catholic Church!

The Roman Catholic Church is anything but the church of GOD. A church whose doctrines and dogmas are in stark contrast to the pure Word of GOD, teaching as doctrines the commanments of men. How can you say that is church of GOD?

The bolded part above: what truth is the catholic church holding up today?

There you go again.. If this is exam, you have failed already.

Paul was clearly talking about a church. Where is that church today? If the catholic church doesnt hold the truth, then which church does? There are too many churches.

Stop beating around. Just tell me. I want to lnow

johnw74:


You are sounding like false jw's
a church or pastor doesn't matter, the truth of the Bible does
and the Bible shows that the only queen of heaven is a false goddess

you are just being spiteful because you have been shown to be wrong

A church doesnt matter when i just showed you what paul said - that the church is the pillar of truth? I have told you before to try the circus.

laribari:


Sorry this is gonna be long or a sermon as you call it, but very important that you know it.

I am so ashamed of you as a Christian honestly. I have proved through the scriptures why we can't pray through Mary. Paul and Co, was there ever a time they prayed through Mary? You are talking about church.

Firstly, you asked me where is the truth and now where is a church. This problem with catholic is dat they don't follow the bible.

Who told you am ashamed of my church? The thing is I am knowledgeable than you in the word of God and some of ur words are that of a babe.

Before God, there is no redeem, deeper life, catholic etc, so your hammering on a particular church as the true church is laughable and that is why I won't mention any church because it doesn't matter but from my words you should know I am a believer of the word. Abi didn't Paul say there is neither male or female before the LORD but the church? Who is the Church? The saints worldwide from different denominations who are true to God's word.
abomination.

s.

I can now see why catholics are more knowledgeable than the mushroom of your church. You hardly see catholics opening such thread because they want to attack the church you are so ashamed to be part of to even openly proclaim.

If both catholics and redeem and unredeem are all of the church, why then do you devote time to hating catholics when there are those that dont even believe in your Jesus for you to proselyte?

. Hate? I donot hate catholics as I still have a lot of friends there and when topics like dis comes up I tell them the truth.

I don't attack churches, I'm openly pointing what is wrong there.

cynosure489:


I can now see why catholics are more knowledgeable than the mushroom of your church. You hardly see catholics opening such thread because they want to attack the church you are so ashamed to be part of to even openly proclaim.

If both catholics and redeem and unredeem are all of the church, why then do you devote time to hating catholics when there are those that dont even believe in your Jesus for you to proselyte?

You are a spiritual olodo.
What are u saying naa? If I say redeemed, deeper life, catholics etc are all one church before God, I was taking generally from a certain context which is in terms of denomination. I said it like dat so your little understand be opened yet it didnt.i have proven how knowledgeable I am in God's words to disprove ur false church but you haven't proven anything but talk outside the scriptures like all catholic do.

This does not mean some doctrines are not wrong if I say all denominations are one but I'm speaking in view of the last day. Generally, the church with most blasphemy against God's word is your church that is the point. It is a false church and an occult celebration called mass.

Oga I attend Redeem! Do your worst and was schooled by Gtan. I didn't wanna mention church because denomination will not matter in the end for the true church but you want me to and here it is. The false churches will be filtered away, get the point and the bible says that: thence, the left over saints from all denomination will come together as one unto Christ.

You kept talking abt my church, church and pastor because you want to diss. You can't even prove a thing about catholic in the bible, shame on you and your church because you know nothing.

You want to diss redeem or my pastors abi? Oya go ahead! I will remind you of all the scandals in catholic church, as if they are pure because ur fathers wear white. Didn't Jesus discribe them in the bible? I fit show u again.

The bible said forbid not to Marry but your church go against the bible and ur priest are all gay. What makes dem different from occultic gay iluminati members who all wear rosary? Abi you think it is coincidence? Those iluminati celebrities are antichrist and deny that Jesus is risen by wearing and displaying that stupid cross, mocking God. Why is their vampire movies always related to catholic church and the casket on the priest's alter?

You dey try Oyinbo! You are just attending a church u don't even know but the bible will show you who they are. Why is your pope affiliating with Muslims who openingly deny Jesus as son of God? Yea...I get, the one world government agenda of the antichrist abi? Without religious unity such can't be achieved so your pope is putting the pieces together.

You want me to open can of worm? I will and you must see that ur false church will produce the antichrist. What does it mean to be anti? It means being against and everything u do is against the word of God.

The bible said do not forbid to eat meat. Una nor dey forbid meat for good friday?

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

So you don't know that catholic started well but no more in the faith? I have proven to you with scriptures and you can defend it scripturally and show me other churches that does these things. Na only una.

I am more enlightened than you my friend, and even in Catholicism you do not know more me too because I'm an open book.

I wasn't just born in catholic, I did baptism, first holy communion, confirmation and I passed these classes and their exams. My dad used to be a choir member and my Broda an alter boy. You are not closer to any priest dan myself because I donot know if a priest ever came to your house before on visitation. St dominics Basilica yaba, our money dey inside that church during fund raising to build that church. Abi Wetin u wan tell me?

Rev. Father windbache, father Tom Mc demotte, father rilly etc. I don't know if they still have white priest today.

Nothing u wan tell me about catholic I don't know and their ways of prayer. Yet, I left because my eyes became opened to the truth concerning God's word.

Why is the catholic church connected to all these satanic things? Affiliating with people who are haters of christ.

Before you tell me stories, please know it that the office of the pope is the most respected worldwide and Nicky minag can't just come out of the blues with that picture. You must get clearance from Rome to wear dat.

The funny thing is this. Why is the catholic church connected with much of these things. The answer is because they have same agenda and are prophecizing the future (new world order) that is coming. Music of today is spiritual because they praise the devil in their songs, so the pope is on their side. Isn't it what the pitcure is saying during an occultic award called grammy?

Argue all you want and the blind will continue to be blind.

laribari:


You are a spiritual olodo.
What are u saying naa? If I say redeemed, deeper life, catholics etc are all one church before God, I was taking generally from a certain context which is in terms of denomination. I said it like dat so your little understand be opened yet it didnt. i have proven how knowledgeable i am in God's words to disprove ur false church you haven't proven anything but talk outside the scriptures like all catholic do.

This does not mean some doctrines are not wrong if I say all denominations are one but I'm speaking in view of the last day. Generally, the church with most blasphemy against God's word is your church that is the point. It is a false church and an occult celebration called mass.

Oga I attend Redeem! Do your worst and was schooled by Gtan. I didn't wanna mention church because denomination will not matter in the end for the true church but you want me to and here it is. The false churches will be filtered away, get the point and the bible says that: thence, the left over saints from all denomination will come together as one unto Christ.

You kept talking abt my church, church and pastor because you want to diss. You can't even prove a thing about catholic in the bible, shame on you and your church because you know nothing.

You want to diss redeem or my pastors abi? Oya go ahead! I will remind you of all the scandals in catholic church, as if they are pure because ur fathers wear white. Didn't Jesus discribe them in the bible? I fit show u again.

The bible said forbid not to Marry but your church go against the bible and ur priest are all gay. What makes dem different from occultic gay iluminati members who all wear rosary? Abi you think it is coincidence? Those iluminati celebrities are antichrist and deny that Jesus is risen by wearing and displaying that stupid cross, mocking God. Why is their vampire movies always related to catholic church and the casket on the priest's alter?

You dey try Oyinbo! You are just attending a church u don't even know but the bible will show you who they are. Why is your pope affiliating with Muslims who openingly deny Jesus as son of God? Yea...I get, the one world government agenda of the antichrist abi? Without religious unity such can't be achieved so your pope is putting the pieces together.

You want me to open can of worm? I will and you must see that ur false church will produce the antichrist. What does it mean to be anti? It means being against and everything u do is against the word of God.

The bible said do not forbid to eat meat. Una nor dey forbid meat for good friday?

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

So you don't know that catholic started well but no more in the faith? I have proven to you with scriptures and you can defend it scripturally and show me other churches that does these things. Na only una.

I am more enlightened than you my friend, and even in Catholicism you do not know more me too because I'm an open book.

I wasn't just born in catholic, I did baptism, first holy communion, confirmation and I passed these classes and their exams. My dad used to be a choir member and my Broda an alter boy. You are not closer to any priest dan myself because I donot know if a priest ever came to your house before on visitation. St dominics Basilica yaba, our money dey inside that church during fund raising to build that church. Abi Wetin u wan tell me?

Rev. Father windbache, father Tom Mc demotte, father rilly etc. I don't know if they still have white priest today.

Nothing u wan tell me about catholic I don't know and their ways of prayer. Yet, I left because my eyes became opened to the truth concerning God's word.

I didnt ask for your life history mister.


you speak from two sides of your mouth

You said thr catholic church and redeem are of Gods church and then said the catholic church is a false church?
If God allows a false church, then why are you foolishly fighting it? Maybe catholics understand this thats why they hardly bash your acclaimed truth.

cynosure489:

There you go again.. If this is exam, you have failed already.

Paul was clearly talking about a church. Where is that church today? If the catholic church doesnt hold the truth, then which church does? There are too many churches.

Stop beating around. Just tell me. I want to lnow

What truth is the catholic church holding up today? Bowing down to graven images and praying to dead people? Perpetuating lies and blindfolding people from seeing GOD? Desecrating the sabbath of GOD and causing people to do same? Refusing to tell the people the undiluted truth of GOD's word?

The catholic church is the apostate church, the Babylon being talked about in Revelations.

"Come out of her, my people..." Rev. 18:4

Papist:

You just displayed how totally ignorant you are of not only Catholic but Christian doctrine. When John Paul 2 or any Catholic says the Virgin Mary has saved him, he means by her intercessory prayers to her Son. Read up on what the Communion of Saints means and perhaps you would understand better. Anyway I would like to hear you condemn St Paul for saying the following:

To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.

So Mary is the channel through which prayers are sent to Christ? Show me any Bible verse that says so.

Meanwhile, who even told you Mary is in Heaven? Can you show me any Biblical text that says Mary is in Heaven interceding for people?

You had better start reading your Bible and stop practicing idolatry.
You bow down to graven images, expressly breaking GOD's 2nd commandment.

Run for your life!

Papist:

Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them... " Exod. 20:4-5

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matt. 15:7-9

Read your Bible.

Papist:

Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

If praying is not worship, what is it? Do you realise that who you pray to is who you serve? You choose Mary(who is not even in Heaven) as your intercessor, rejecting Christ who is at the right hand of GOD.

We have only one intercessor: Jesus Christ. (1Jn 2:1-2).

Tell me, who authorised you to pray to Mary? Are you blind that you can't see that praying to anything that is not GOD is idolatry? Is Mary GOD?

Did Paul, Peter, James, John, or any of the disciples pray to Mary? You pray to Mary for salvation: is Mary's name given for the salvation of men?

Papist:

Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

You fill your worship places with all forms of idols and graven images, expressly ignoring GOD's 2nd commandment. You practice all forms of polluted ordinances that have their origin in paganism.

The catholic church distorted the word of GOD so much, leading millions of souls to perdition. You hide the Word of GOD from people and teach them worthless commandments of men.

You cause people to commit spiritual fornication. You can hardly see a Catholic praying to GOD. They are either praying to one dead person or the other.

Read your Bible! Flee idolatry!

cynosure489:


A church doesnt matter when i just showed you what paul said - that the church is the pillar of truth? I have told you before to try the circus.

johnw74:


You are sounding like false jw's
a church or pastor doesn't matter, the truth of the Bible does
and the Bible shows that the only queen of heaven is a false goddess

you are just being spiteful because you have been shown to be wrong

1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The rcc is not that church, is not that pillar and ground of the truth
when they teach things like: Mary is the queen of heaven.

johnw74:





1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The rcc is not that church, is not that pillar and ground of the truth
when they teach things like: Mary is the queen of heaven.

wwhere is the church paul wwas talking about? Is it ur neww generation such? Show me any church that can claim an unbroken line from early christianity? It is not enuf to sayy it isnt the catholic church, which church is it?

Ubenedictus:
wwhere is the church paul wwas talking about? Is it ur neww generation such? Show me any church that can claim an unbroken line from early christianity? It is not enuf to sayy it isnt the catholic church, which church is it?

it is enough to say it isn't the catholic church that is the pillar and ground of truth
the fact that they teach Mary to be the queen of heaven, just for one thing, proves that