Explorers:


Can you just imagine, i dont just get what the past has to do with this.

Damfostopper:
Atleast shooting shud av been delayed a further cos it looks like harambe wanted to help d child... Not shooting it with life bullets.... D behave like nigerians weneva d see animal na kill be dat

kingsilly:
For those asking bout tranquilizer, according to the defense team of the zoo, it takes around 5 min for the tranq to take effect and if shoot the gorilla becomes restless till it kicks in, and that would be risky for the little boy

Explorers:



I read there are newly developed ones that takes effect immediately after impact.

olu4life:
According to the report and video, the scene lasted for 10mins. I believe if the gorilla wanted to kill, wouldn't have taken up to a minute.

Explorers:


I saw that too and i believe 10mins is too long for the gorilla to kill/harm the boy.


Witnesses said the gorilla looked like he was trying to protect the boy from panicked bystanders (pictured)
cc: Lalasticlala

lapazi:
880 humans died in the Mediterranean last week. 1 gorilla in a zoo died last week. The latter is headline
news. Why?

Roland17:


Unlike their male counterparts, female gorillas are renowned to be very protective and have the unique intelligence of deciphering young ones especially mammal looking species, males on the other hand are quite territorial and in many instances have harmed their younger ones especially younger males.

No one should understand estimate the strength of a Gorilla either, however, if the Gorilla was going to harm or kill the baby, it would have been immediately it came in contact, reaction is usually impulsive as a means of defense, anything longer after two minutes for a female Gorilla becomes emotional.

It questions the amount of knowledge Zoo officials have about the animals enslaved in their facilities, Harambe was an endangered female adult (17 years), there were numerous means to have distracted her from the child, i am not even talking of utilizing a tranquilizer, worth more a deadly gun and if using a gun was the last resort, why shot to kill? why not shoot to immobilize? the options were numerous, however, they went for the fastest because officials panicked.

I would reiterate once more, that i would rather watch endangered species extinct in the freedom of the wild where they belong than in captivity.

I have never been a fan of Zoo's and this incident makes it even worse.

Roland17:
I am beyond gutted

Is it not enough that humans capture endangered animals and enslave them in zoos's for the selfish excitement of humans?, yet, these endangered animals are not guaranteed safety even in captivity, so what is the essence of a zoo?

The Cincinnati Zoo should be closed down and the director fired immediately, i don't care what anyone says, endangered wild animals don't belong in the zoo, i would rather watch them extinct in the freedom of the wild than in captivity in zoo's.

Explorers:
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Someone stated that a gorilla that will harm will beat the chest, he said harambe didn't. What were they even doing for 10mins?

Support the last statement, i hate zoos or wild parks. Will rather see museum or historical sites.

Chuksemi:


Sire, asides animal rights and everything. I want to understand why does who are calling for the zoo and parents head are doing it.

Please, is there any proven scientific research that says if a gorilla doesn't harm you within 10 minutes, then it will never harm you?

Probably, the darts that were able to tranquilise immediately were not available. The Zoo was faced with, human life or animal life? They chose animal life, I don't get the outrage. It's not like they went on a shooting spree and decided to kill Harambe. I saw the video on CNN, the way the Gorilla was dragging and pushing the child with feeble bones, in an enclosure filled with rocks. What if the child's head had come in contact with one of the rocks? With that force it will be instant death.

I don't want to believe that humanity is driving towards an era where animal life would be valued more than that of a human. Even humans are killed when it is necessary, talk more of an animal. In all these, it seems the 'justice for Harambe' agitators are not even considering the possiblity that a human child may have died in the process. I wonder if the poor child had died, would it have sparked media outrage like the death of Harambe did?

You mentioned trying to distract the gorilla, what if that hadn't worked and the child paid the ultimate price instead. Let's be open and consider every possiblilty here. I would love to hear from you, thank you.

Explorers:

You've spoken bro.

johnydon22:


Soon mankind will look at how we treat animals with the same disgust and contempt we look at how our ancestors owned and treated slaves.

Chuksemi:


Sir.

Your first statement, is it a proven fact? If a gorilla doesn't harm you within 10 minutes of coming in contact with you and doesn't beat her chest. Does it mean we can then assume and be sure that we are 100% safe? That statement to me is just an assumption because no one was in Harambe's mind, she could as well be delaying what she wanted to do because of the on lookers. Maybe there were other reasons.

I do not support the killing of endangered animals on an ordinary day. But, I think Harambe's death was justified. This was clearly a case of human or animal life. Harambe may have unwillingly mauled the child. Did you notice the way the child was being dragged up and down. That is hard for a full grown adult, let alone, a child.

I think you are looking at a one sided possiblilty here. As much as the child may not have been killed immediately. That doesn't mean at the end he wouldn't be killed still. The tranquilisers that take immediate effect may not have been within reach then. Would you hinge your argument on the lack of those?

I saw your post on the lady that lost her eyes and hands to a chimpanzee rampage. I do not want to believe that it is only when things have gotten to that extent that the killing of an animal may be justified. Worse still, I do not want to believe that you have not considered the life of the child who was in the enclosure with a wild gorrila. I wonder, if people would have actually preferred the death of the child to the death of Harambe. God, we are talking human.


Sire, that child could be anyone's child, imagine it.

Explorers:



Actually am not placing the life of an animal over that of the child. The zoo authority did what was necessary, but why that long, waht were they doing for 10 minutes? What if the boy has fallen into a lion, tiger, leopard, bear, or crocodile enclosure?
Few days back for the first time i visited a large and popular shopping facility in my area. I noticed the security in the facility, lots of emergency exits perfectly directed to safety, lots fire pumps, hoses, extinguishers , fire and security alarms on the walls.
All ive mentioned are within few meters away from each other so that if there should be fire/explosion, attack, robbery, within 5seconds someone will hit the nearest alarm and in a minute people wil exit the building.

Zoos can be like, why would they give us an excuse that darts or tranquilizers are not available or far away?
There should be atleast 2-3 trained shooters always in position at any moment with the tranquilizers very close. Most especially the areas they have lions, tiger, leopard, other big cats and bears. They can escape accidentally or sometimes people's stupidity. Nigeria mothers that are zoo goers will hold there kids firmly, but i learnt this boy said he wanted to swim with the the gorilla and entered somehow.

Chuksemi:


Sire, asides animal rights and everything. I want to understand why does who are calling for the zoo and parents head are doing it.

Please, is there any proven scientific research that says if a gorilla doesn't harm you within 10 minutes, then it will never harm you?

Probably, the darts that were able to tranquilise immediately were not available. The Zoo was faced with, human life or animal life? They chose animal life, I don't get the outrage. It's not like they went on a shooting spree and decided to kill Harambe. I saw the video on CNN, the way the Gorilla was dragging and pushing the child with feeble bones, in an enclosure filled with rocks. What if the child's head had come in contact with one of the rocks? With that force it will be instant death.

I don't want to believe that humanity is driving towards an era where animal life would be valued more than that of a human. Even humans are killed when it is necessary, talk more of an animal. In all these, it seems the 'justice for Harambe' agitators are not even considering the possiblity that a human child may have died in the process. I wonder if the poor child had died, would it have sparked media outrage like the death of Harambe did?

You mentioned trying to distract the gorilla, what if that hadn't worked and the child paid the ultimate price instead. Let's be open and consider every possiblilty here. I would love to hear from you, thank you.

Oahray:
See human beings that do not care about the lives of fellow humans pretending to love a random gorilla to bits. Smh.

I've seen the footage. If you had tried tranquilizing the gorilla, that kid would have been a goner 5 seconds after the shot. Most darts take some time to take effect, and activates this panic mode before subduing the animal. Don't you guys watch documentaries? I'd kill 5 more Harambes on the spot to protect a human.

Call me whatever, but I don't buy this nonsense about animals rights regardless of who is in danger. Even smart humans are sometimes unreasonable, much less creatures of the wild.

Roland17:


Is Harambe the reason 880 humans perished in the Mediterranean? Did the 880 humans make conscious decisions to risk their lives by seeking greener pastures illegally?

The Gorilla was taken forcefully away from its natural habitat, enslaved against its wishes for the satisfaction of humans, the same Gorilla payed the ultimate price for the stupidity of a human whose 3 year old informed her he wanted to swim with the Gorilla and 5 mins found his way into the immediate habitat of the Gorilla.

lapazi:


look my friend just pray you never find yourself in a terrible situation where your options are either get out or die trying....!
People literally dont have what to eat, famine has ravage the entire region (somalia and libya in particular) they cant go down south into the continent(kenya and uganda) because they are been hunted and killed as terrorist...there only option is to the sea, to eastern europe. Where if they succeed they are sure of being granted asylum, and you really feel the life of one gorilla is worth more saving, or its death is worth more talking about and investigated than the life and death of hundreds of people?

what is this world turning into...?

kingsilly:
For those asking bout tranquilizer, according to the defense team of the zoo, it takes around 5 min for the tranq to take effect and if shot the gorilla becomes restless till it kicks in, and that would be risky for the little boy

Tenderly1:

Yes "one" tranquilizer would take some time to set in, what about 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 a good number that can knock him down, they would have taken that risk.

Tenderly1:

Yes "one" tranquilizer would take some time to set in, what about 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 a good number that can knock him down, they would have taken that risk.

Roland17:


Before i start, let me state clearly that we (Humans) are all animals.. if you are going to define the actions of Harambe in that moment as animistic, thus should be sacrificed at the altar of mediocrity, then you should sit and analyze the actions and activities of the perceived superior specie and tell me who the real animals are?

How do you argue and place animal rights aside? that sentence alone defeats the logic behind your argument. The human specie is a superior specie, however, the history and evolution of the human specie as scientifically proven is impossible without the Gorilla and its family. Would it sound right if i say, lets remove the pain of death and discuss the killing and kidnap of people in the Niger delta or in Borno? does that sound logical to you?

Roland17:


Bro,

How does your emotional outburst justify the killing of a Gorilla?

Who is responsible for the hunger, famine, xenophobic killings? Are Gorilla's picking arms and killing the human race? or are Gorillas responsible for the despicable level of poverty, hunger, corruption and environmental degradation witnessed in our world today? are Gorillas responsible for the incredulous level of hate and spite witnessed amongst humans today?

Your guess is as good as mine, The perceived superior specie (human) is perpetuating this level of absurdity on its own.

Don't get me wrong, the life of that child is very important and i am happy it was saved, so was the life of the Gorilla and just because we belong to a particular specie does not justify why another should be sacrificed needlessly when it was very avoidable.

SHOOT TO IMMOBILIZE THE ANIMAL AS THE LAST RESORT, NOT THE ONLY RESORT.