Genuine miracles still exist. Mom used to have fibroid and went to a hospital where she was scheduled to be operated. On a historic day, she went for her regularly Wednesday prayers at her church. Already, another woman who had same ailment was being prayed for and mom quickly joined them to pray. A vision came amidst the ongoing prayer that someone amongst them was being operated on spiritually. The next day, she went to the same hospital where she had been scheduled to have an operation and asked the doctor to run another check-up on her inwhich the result showed no fibroid found. I believe in miracles and I know for sure genuine ones still exist. But I ask, why was the actual woman whom the prayer was initially focused on not get her healing but my mom?

I hope the **** islamic *** r reading the way christians check mates themselves to make Sure they r on the right path and that they r not deceived by evil doctrines ... I still wonder if those muslims have replaced their ****

skinflint:
Genuine miracles still exist. Mom used to have fibroid and went to a hospital where she was scheduled to be operated. On a historic day, she went for her regularly Wednesday prayers at her church. Already, another woman who had same ailment was being prayed for and mom quickly joined them to pray. A vision came amidst the ongoing prayer that someone amongst them was being operated on spiritually. The next day, she went to the same hospital where she had been scheduled to have an operation and asked the doctor to run another check-up on her inwhich the result showed no fibroid found. I believe in miracles and I know for sure genuine ones still exist. But I ask, why was the actual woman whom the prayer was initially focused on not get her healing but my mom?

I don't believe the story. First of all, how do you know that the other woman remained unhealed? Did you follow her after service?

Pastors will preach the gospel at 10 AM and be phucking a choir member at 5 PM. Then they will both show up for Bible study on Tuesday.
The Bible god clearly does not punish liars in this life, Christians/Pastors are not afraid of telling lies, even on the pulpit.

You may be telling the truth, but because Christians/pastors love to tell lies in general, I don't believe you. Who knows, you might be a pastor yourself. Pastors are known for telling bone-chilling lies
.

Miracles are real! I am a miracle myself. A video by a delusional individual doesn't change reality. whether he faked it or not, he was still a tool in the hand of God.

Akshow:
Let's just say I'm agnostic. I'm not convinced that there is God as projected in any religion and I'm not also completely opposed to the idea that there is one. Just need to be convinced with logical facts. I am however against all sort of organize religion. I believe in humanity.

Be careful how you dismiss the general word God, you could easily find yourself in a prolonged discussion with a Christian or Muslim here. It can all be avoided by clarifying your position early.

A fool says there is no God. A wise man asks for the definition of the word God before dismissing all or some concepts of it.

sam4eva777:
Miracles are real! I am a miracle myself. A video by a delusional individual doesn't change reality. whether he faked it or not, he was still a tool in the hand of God.

When you say God, what do you mean? Are you referring to the voice or creature that instructed the bronze age Jews to write a book and give to you? Or are you implying a more general connotation?

Elohim1:
Can U Pin Point A Place In The Bible That The Devil Did Any Miracle?? Am Curious Were U Got This Assumption From

No specific satanic miracles were recorded in the Bible. But the same Bible alludes to them in Exodus, the Gospels, Acts and Revelation.

ritababe:
Seun you need a miracle in your life, say Amen
if you like sit down for house no go church na yourself you they do.
Heaven is real, there is nothing like fake or real miracle, it all depend on where your faith lies.

must Seun go to church before he makes heaven? So in ur opinion u think all church goers ll make heaven. Lol. Me ayam laffin in chinese.

Weah96:



I don't believe the story. First of all, how do you know that the other woman remained unhealed? Did you follow her after service?

Pastors will preach the gospel at 10 AM and be phucking a choir member at 5 PM. Then they will both show up for Bible study on Tuesday.
The Bible god clearly does not punish liars in this life, Christians/Pastors are not afraid of telling lies, even on the pulpit.

You may be telling the truth, but because Christians/pastors love to tell lies in general, I don't believe you. Who knows, you might be a pastor yourself. Pastors are known for telling bone-chilling lies
.

Yes, SOME pastors not ALL pastors even if the former are the majority. The liars are fake.

First, the supposed woman later got operated on and it was removed. Second, I know there are fake pastors Inasmuch as fake miracles exist. Third, 'pastor' is only but a nomenclature i.e don't expect the bearer to be above lies or other sins. And fourth, don't call me a liar as regards my comment. I love my mom and respect God's miracles enough never to lie with them. Have a nice day!

Seun:
Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Does what Jesus says in that verse invalidate his own miracles? Or you are of the opinion that after Jesus, no more real miracles?
Chairman. What you shd say is that, the Christian Fifth should not basically be hinged on Miracles as they can he faked.
Fake miracles have been around long before Christ stepped down here in the flesh. Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses before Pharoah. All the miracles he performed except One, were also performed by magicians. Besides, Jesus warned us to he careful of men who come to us just with signs.
Signs without the Deep message of repentance, which ultimately brings salvation and is characterized by departure from sin to righteousness, darkness to light, transformation and regeneration, that message is categorically not of God, even if the preacher in question commands fire to come down from heaven in broad day light and it happened. Satan has his own power, plus the one he stole from Adam.

Scholar8200:
Indeed many are being deceived.

But the existence of the false prophets implies there are true prophets too and what they teach and the miracles they do are true!

But wait, that video shows no miracles!This thread is not properly named!

All I see is just emotional charging. Bring a video where actual miracles took place and the analysis of how they were faked was given!

I concur.

seunmsg:
Very revealing! The video speaks for itself, no need for any explanation. People can believe whatever they want to believe, but the fact remains, miracles are make believes. They are not real in the past, now and will remain unreal in the future.

What did you see in the video that makes it speak for itself ? Or you saw what you wanted to see? There are no miracles in that video if they are, pin point them out and prove why you say they are fake.

skinflint:
First, the supposed woman later got operated on and it was removed. Second, I know there are fake pastors Inasmuch as fake miracles exist. Third, 'pastor' is only but a nomenclature i.e don't expect the bearer to be above lies or other sins. And fourth, don't call me a liar as regards my comment. I love my mom and respect God's miracles enough never to lie with them. Have a nice day!

Don't mind them ridiculous atheists. If they've never received a miracle, no one else has. What ignoble behavior.

Ifeann:


i came axross that documentary just recently. very sad and powerful at the sametime..

the sad part was some christians falling down when he touched them.. same thing going on in nigerian churches.. his parents were also scammers and taught him how to preach/act. at least his conscience finally got to him..i wonder when it will get to fake nigerian pastors

edit: the documentary should be seen by all christians so they are better informed about false pastors and tithe collectors. christians must be smart and not foolish.

Sis. What's fake about it? And is falling under anointing miracle?

I was a sceptic like you when I first ventured into pentecostalism some years back. Exactly your stance, because we were raised from childhood to deride the supernatural. Make fun of the Holy Spirit in a subtle way.

I will banter with my cousins and make fun of them and their pastor pushing people down, until one day.
Funny enough, I still followed them to their church, I liked the music, and boisterousness of their services didn't go down well with me at first, but with time, I started enjoying it, but not the sermon or their Pastor.
Like I said, one day, we went, I still remember the sermon like yesterday, the passage preached on was Isaiah chpt 6 from 1-6.
Before that day, I wont give attention to what the pastor said, but that day, when I had decided he was fake and a false prophet with powers from Satan to perform fake miracles, and shd hurry up so that we left, I heard a voice said to me,
"Does he need powers to preach the word of God? How many sensational miracles has he performed since you were here?"

Right there, it dawn on me that he doesn't really perform any outrageous miracles, but merely preach the word. So, for the first time, I listened to him. When he was down, we were asked to stand to our feet, the man prayed a prayer, asked the Holy Spirit to purify anyone with an 'unclean anything' and who is willing to be free.
No one was touched, he didn't even step down from the alter, I was sitting far behind, standing by myself, I didn't know how it happened, I was flattened on the floor. What?, I quickly jumped up, I went down again the second time and remained there for a while, later an usher helped me up. Every bone in me felt like wax. While I laid there, I think something else happened to me inside. When I left the place that night, I felt a certain way that I couldn't explain. My cousins laughed until we got home. I was basking inside with a new 'thing'. I was happy. Very happy, over what exactly,? I couldn't tell.
The next day, I wanted to read the Bible, I didn't have one, I borrowed. That was how it all began.

If you stand outside looking in, none of it will make sense to you. The supernatural is real.

Weah96:

Watch the video and see if your question remains?

Point out the miracles and prove they are fake

hopara1:
Pls u answer me...why dont doctors goes to the sick home to cures them?

Thank you.

analice107:

Sis. What's fake about it? And is falling under anointing miracle?

I was a sceptic like you when I first ventured into pentecostalism some years back. Exactly your stance, because we were raised from childhood to deride the supernatural. Make fun of the Holy Spirit in a subtle way.

I will banter with my cousins and make fun of them and their pastor pushing people down, until one day.
Funny enough, I still followed them to their church, I liked the music, and boisterousness of their services didn't go down well with me at first, but with time, I started enjoying it, but not the sermon or their Pastor.
Like I said, one day, we went, I still remember the sermon like yesterday, the passage preached on was Isaiah chpt 6 from 1-6.
Before that day, I wont give attention to what the pastor said, but that day, when I had decided he was fake and a false prophet with powers from Satan to perform fake miracles, and shd hurry up so that we left, I heard a voice said to me,
"Does he need powers to preach the word of God? How many sensational miracles has he performed since you were here?"

Right there, it dawn on me that he doesn't really perform any outrageous miracles, but merely preach the word. So, for the first time, I listened to him. When he was down, we were asked to stand to our feet, the man prayed a prayer, asked the Holy Spirit to purify anyone with an 'unclean anything' and who is willing to be free.
No one was touched, he didn't even step down from the alter, I was sitting far behind, standing by myself, I didn't know how it happened, I was flattened on the floor. What?, I quickly jumped up, I went down again the second time and remained there for a while, later an usher helped me up. Every bone in me felt like wax. While I laid there, I think something else happened to me inside. When I left the place that night, I felt a certain way that I couldn't explain. My cousins laughed until we got home. I was basking inside with a new 'thing'. I was happy. Very happy, over what exactly,? I couldn't tell.
The next day, I wanted to read the Bible, I didn't have one, I borrowed. That was how it all began.

If you stand outside looking in, none of it will make sense to you. The supernatural is real.

i dont doubt those occurrences. as a christian who believes God formed the world i also believe anything is possible. However the point i tried to make was that this conman touched some people and they fell "under the anointing". its either he employed those people to fake it or it was random people just faking it.

Elohim1:
Am Sure Immunization Was Given To U At Home When U Were a Kid??

Yea, so they patients should have waited at home for the doctors to find them out and go. Not only that Ooo, insist on carrying out tests to ascertain what the ailment is, and give them medication, and be going to them until recovery.
Jesus says, "He that is hungry, let him come, he that is thirsty, let him come" for he that asketh recieveth...
Did you hear that a Paralysed man who wanted to go to Jesus but couldn't begged his friends to take him, but when the got to Jesus, they couldn't access Jesus because of the crowed, his friends deroofed a house to let him in. A paralyzed man, he shd have stayed home.

Did you also hear about the one born blind, who went out to the street, when Christ was passing by, shouted and shouted, even when he was told to be quiet that Christ had more important people to attend the shouted the loudest, what happened?
And what about the woman with an issue of blood? Do you know that according to the Jewish culture, that woman was an anathema? With blood constantly oozing out of her, she ought to be isolated from every one, because any one who touches her will be unclean for seven days, he or she also would be isolated. She knew her plight, she knew if she was caught, it will mean death. Did she stay at home waiting for Christ to go to her? She pressed forward. She was ready for the stampede if it came to that.

Today is the day of salivation, when you hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Kennedyiheme:
zukerberg said he never went to church all he knows is programming from a young age...he is one of the richest men in the world.....while people dat have being praying all there life hardly make 30naira monthly.....please where is the miracle there.... nigerians will never agree, you people still believe in praying than using your brains to invent and achieve things.....the bad thing is you still nsee people praying for a car....that is total stupidity...if you want a car you work for it

I don't get it. You guys go on yapping all around about Nigerians this and Nigerians that, are the people in that Video Nigerians?

Not all miracles are real...be watchful

Seun:
Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

you mean you believe the testimony of the Bible?

analice107:

Point out the miracles and prove they are fake

You must be a pastor, the worst liars on planet earth. Forget the fake miracles, your whole Bible is fake, how's that?

Have you actually spoken to your god?

Akshow:
still dodging my kweshion. Ans me, na who faith don help?

I. Faith has helped me. I shd ve been an Amputee today but for God. If faith hasn't helped you, no shakes leave faith alone.

Let me give you a testimony of " who Faith Don Help". I was in an hospital some years back. I and the Radiologist became friends, in his free time, he will come to my ward, and we will gist. One day, he came not looking very bright, I asked why, he told me he wasn't feeling fine. What was it? He said he had Kidney Stone. How did stones get into your kidney, you swallowed stones? He tried to laugh. He explained what that meant, I was really getting to know about that then. I guess I was hearing about it, but didn't really pay much attention. It didn't have a cure, but drugs and more drugs to keep the excruciating pain down.
He told me he had had it for years, and had been constantly in pains and had to go about with his drugs. And very expensive drugs too.
Him being a Core Catholic, who don't believe in that part of Christianity, made light, when I told him God could heal him. He laughed a condescending laughter, I still took his hands in mind and prayed, standing on my own faith, not his.
I didn't give it much thought after then. Not long, I was discharged and went home. Months later, I went for checkup, now, he was the one excited, He didn't even know when the pains ceased, it was his wife who noticed that he had not been in pains for a some time, then he tried to remember the last time he had bought drugs, it was the drugs he bought before I prayed for him.
He was so excited when he was telling me how for the first time in years he had been free from pains. He was all thanks, and I said, "No find trouble for me ooo", go your church and testify that God healed you.
So, you see? Faith helped someone.
Stay there. The day all of these, will fail you, you'll realise that all your words are noise and are empty.

analice107:

I. Faith has helped me. I shd ve been an Amputee today but for God. If faith hasn't helped you, no shakes leave faith alone.

Let me give you a testimony of " who Faith Don Help". I was in an hospital some years back. I and the Radiologist became friends, in his free time, he will come to my ward, and we will gist. One day, he came not looking very bright, I asked why, he told me he wasn't feeling fine. What was it? He said he had Kidney Stone. How did stones get into your kidney, you swallowed stones? He tried to laugh. He explained what that meant, I was really getting to know about that then. I guess I was hearing about it, but didn't really pay much attention. It didn't have a cure, but drugs and more drugs to keep the excruciating pain down.
He told me he had had it for years, and had been constantly in pains and had to go about with his drugs. And very expensive drugs too.
Him being a Core Catholic, who don't believe in that part of Christianity, made light, when I told him God could heal him. He laughed a condescending laughter, I still took his hands in mind and prayed, standing on my own faith, not his.
I didn't give it much thought after then. Not long, I was discharged and went home. Months later, I went for checkup, now, he was the one excited, He didn't even know when the pains ceased, it was his wife who noticed that he had not been in pains for a some time, then he tried to remember the last time he had bought drugs, it was the drugs he bought before I prayed for him.
He was so excited when he was telling me how for the first time in years he had been free from pains. He was all thanks, and I said, "No find trouble for me ooo", go your church and testify that God healed you.
So, you see? Faith helped someone.
Stay there. The day all of these, will fail you, you'll realise that all your words are noise and are empty.

Pastors usually tell cool stories during sermons to edify their pockets.

How can you lay in a hospital bed receiving treatment and then ask the medical pesin to pray for his own illness without receiving slap?

That's like going to deposit money in your bank and then advising the bank teller to bury her own money in the back yard. And she does!!

Akshow:
OK. So by implication my loving God knows what I'm going through which means I don't really need to pray since he already knows. And because of my eternal life he may watch me suffer here on earth for d reward of heaven. IS that ur point here?

Do you know what keeps believers from harnessing their full covenant rights? Doubt. Most people pray prayers of fear. Some complain and murmur believing they are praying. Until you know who you are, you can never recieve what belongs to you in the covenant. That's not to say, true believers don't fall sick or die in sickness they do. I understood why when I read;

"Where is God, When it Hurts?"

Pain is good. Pain is an umpire that makes us listen most times. And it always ends up as a testimony anyways. Without them how can we have testimonies?
And, must "Christians" who fall sick and die mysteriously in those ailments, may have broken the hedge which created an Avenue for the serpent to crawl in and bite. Just saying.

Secret and unconfessed sins are very dangerous for a believer.

Weah96:


Pastors usually tell cool stories during sermons to edify their pockets.

How can you be laying in a hospital bed receiving treatment and then ask the medical pesin to pray for his own illness without receiving slap?

That's like going to deposit money in your bank and then advising the bank teller to bury her own money in the back yard. And she does!!

I don't expect you to believe me. And sincerely I don't care. I don't owe you. If I will lie using the name of Jesus, then I will be the one to answer for my deceit, not you. Don't bother, move along.

Ifeann:



i dont doubt those occurrences. as a christian who believes God formed the world i also believe anything is possible. However the point i tried to make was that this conman touched some people and they fell "under the anointing". its either he employed those people to fake it or it was random people just faking it.

I will not lie to say some pastors don't push down. They do. Ah many are fake. The genuine ones don't even bother touching anyone, it's every man according to their faith. They give you the Word and allow you work it out, by it having free course in you and being gloried into a testimony.

Some pastors, sha, if they push you, you resist, you will be termed demon possessed. They will keep at it till they eventually push you down and claim victory.
The Holy Spirit strives with no man. When your spirit submits, you'll go down. And, it doesn't necessarily mean going down is the manifestation of the anointing, you don't need to fall for the Holy Spirit to do his work in you.