SIRcumalot:

too late ninja,too motherforking late.

Hahahahaha una want make I dey upload picture like our Jamaican brother now?

Abeg i'm black and proud oh

dopeJemi:


Bros talk true, kante and bailly fine?

I never said black is equal to ugly, I wouldn't be with a thick black chick if I ever thought that way, i'm almost as dark as kante sef

is bailly ugly?
honestly what u said would have been a pure racist comment if u were a white. but u r equally black and I wonder how u thought it up

dopeJemi:


My statement is not something that should be blown outta proportion

Black players are less technical than white players, I lie? Only a few are technically gifted, that's why i'm a big fan of martial, became a fan of pogba after his first appearance for the senior Team, i'm not a fan of vidal and that guy that looks like him at roma

Get where i'm driving at

Technique is not a form of natural ability like talent. It's acquired from proper training and can be improved upon relatively until certain ages. Most black players who possess poor technique did not have the proper football training required at a young age especially black players brought up in sub-saharan Africa where the quality of football in their respective countries' leagues/academies is quite low. By the time they arrive in Europe as professional footballers, they're already old and it's quite difficult to improve on technique at those ages than when they were younger. It has absolutely nothing do with the color of their skin.. If a white player was brought up in those conditions which those guys experience, they'd possess poor technique similar to those black guys and they'll even end up worse footballers because they wouldn't have the physicality, strength or endurance most black folks naturally possess. Smalling for example spent most of his time in lower football leagues in England when he was a young footballer, and that's how he ended up with such average technique today and it's quite difficult or him to improve on it.

Martial is black and has good technique because he wasn't brought up in Africa and he didn't learn his football in the slums. He was trained well at one of the best footballing academies in France; Lyon's before his move to Monaco. He certainly would not possess the kind of technique he has now if he spent time learning most of his football in Gambia for example.

I repeat technique has nothing to do with the color of skin; Talents are gifted but not technique. They are acquired and it's time you understood this.

GBR1:

Technique is not a form of natural ability like talent. It's acquired from proper training and can be improved upon relatively until certain ages. Most black players who possess poor technique did not have the proper football training required at a young age especially black players brought up in sub-saharan Africa where the quality of football in their respective countries' leagues/academies is quite low. By the time they arrive in Europe as professional footballers, they're already old and it's quite difficult to improve on technique at those ages than when they were younger. It has absolutely nothing do with the color of their skin.. If a white player was brought up in those conditions which those guys experience, they'd possess poor technique similar to those black guys and they'll even end up worse footballers because they wouldn't have the physicality, strength or endurance most black folks naturally possess. Smalling for example spent most of his time in lower football leagues in England when he was a young footballer, and that's how he ended up with such average technique today and it's quite difficult or him to improve on it.

Martial is black and has good technique because he wasn't brought up in Africa and he didn't learn his football in the slums. He was trained well at one of the best footballing academies in France; Lyon's before his move to Monaco. He certainly possess the kind of technique he has now if he spent most of football in Gambia for example.

I repeat technique has nothing to do with the color of skin; Talents are gifted but not technique. They are acquired and it's time you understood this

No arguments whatsoever, you just explained why most black players are less technical than whites, so I wasn't entirely wrong when I said that

Don't get me wrong, i've got nothing against my black folks, I didn't even limit it to just black players, Jones is one gidi gidi player that I dislike, in fact, I dislike 95percent of England players, Beckham remains my favourite

You wouldn't call someone who thinks the white the white suck at basket ball racist, would you?

lekkie073:
is bailly ugly?
honestly what u said would have been a pure racist comment if u were a white. but u r equally black and I wonder how u thought it up

Guy forget, bailly is not fine to me.. just because I think a particular race is not too entertaining in a particular sport doesn't make me a racist, white or black

I also think the whites suck at basket ball, where does that leave me? A confused black fella?

GBR1 I disagree.

I think that technique is a natural occuring talent otherwise there would be more than 1 Messi and 1 Ronaldo in this world.

The thing that elevates these guys is their exceptional technique.

I can guarantee that if you go to to the same Argentine slum that Messi was born in, and pick another 10 dwarves from an early age and take then to la masia, you will not be able to replicate Messi.

You can practice and train for the next 100 years and still never get there.

Then you get the likes of JayJay that grew up playing football on the streets and selling oranges, with the ability to drimble a whole team from back to front and back.

I think that Europe and South America have higher distribution of technically gifted players in a way that Africa simply doesn't have.

dopeJemi:



No arguments whatsoever, you just explained why most black players are less technical than whites, so I wasn't entirely wrong when I said that

Don't get me wrong, i've got nothing against my black folks, I didn't even limit it to just black players, Jones is one gidi gidi player that I dislike, in fact, I dislike 95percent of England players, Beckham remains my favourite

You wouldn't call someone who thinks the white the white suck at basket ball racist, would you?

Alright, I understand you.

No, because it's actually true. They currently suck at it just like running. The white folks in the US have access to standard facilities but they don't end up good basketball players because the natural conditions like athleticism, talent etc just more often favor the black folks in basketball and training isn't enough to compensate for that. About 60 years ago when there segregation existed and Jim crow laws were the order of the day in the US, NBA was heavily dominated by white players unlike today and you can't have said now or then that those white basketball players were terrible. I hope you get my point.

@DopeJemi. I think I get the point you are trying to make. It doesn't stop your original post being crass and generally terrible.

Do better bro. Not cool to speak about black people that way in any capacity. Joking or not.

Nihilist:
GBR1 I disagree.

I think that technique is a natural occuring talent otherwise there would be more than 1 Messi and 1 Ronaldo in this world.

The thing that elevates these guys is their exceptional technique.

I can guarantee that if you go to to the same Argentine slum that Messi was born in, and pick another 10 dwarves from an early age and take then to la masia, you will not be able to replicate Messi.

You can practice and train for the next 100 years and still never get there.

Then you get the likes of JayJay that grew up playing football on the streets and selling oranges, with the ability to drimble a whole team from back to front and back.

I think that Europe and South America have higher distribution of technically gifted players in a way that Africa simply doesn't have.

You are confusing technique and technical abilities which is a function of talent. I knew exactly what term dopejemi was referring to when he stated Black players have poor techniques and i understood what he meant.
Technically gifted refers to being extremely talented. "Technique" is a term used differently.
Few players can improve technique on their own without proper training like the very talented ones while some cannot or do not because they realize they don't need to. There a reason most blacks tend to end up trying to use their physicality as a advantage to dribble instead of close ball control. Some find it easier to closely control/move the ball at pace than others naturally.
Jay jay's dribbling a 1000 people was due more to talent or natural abilities and not him having a good technique( though he possesses a good one). You can might have very limited talents but still possess a good technique or you can be gifted and still be said to have a poor technique. Technique here ranges from simple things like the way a player passes the ball. Are goal keepers talented or do they have good technique? There are extremely talented/good goal keepers who have problems kicking/passing the ball. Now that's due to technique.

GBR1:

You are confusing technique and technical abilities which is a function of talent. I knew exactly what term dopejemi was referring to when he stated Black players have poor techniques and i understood what he meant.
Technically gifted refers to being extremely talented. "Technique" is a term used differently.
Jay jay's dribbling a 1000 people was due more to talent or natural abilities and not him having a good technique( though he possesses a good one). You can might have very limited talents but still possess a good technique. Technique here ranges from simple things like the way a player passes the ball. Are goal keepers talented or have good technique? There are extremely talented/good goal keepers who have problems kicking/passing the ball. That's due to technique.

I think you're the one who is getting confused.

Technique covers EVERY aspect of ball manipulation.

Slide tackling is as much a subset of Technique as is Shooting in my opinion.

Generally speaking most black\African players lack excellent technique, even the ones born abroad.

If you do a top 10 players of every technical skill known in footy, from dribbling to tackling, shooting to heading, passing to freekicks, I can bet you the list will be heavily dominated by Europeans/South Americans

If you do a top 10 of players with athletic attributes, it will be dominated by Black's and Africans

Thats just it. JayJay wasn't a physical force of nature. He was a bundle of skills. That's what made him and Kanu standout in a National team that is just known more for being fast and strong. That's the reason why we can't replicate those two. Oruma tried his hardest to be JJjnr...he just couldn't...because those two were exceptions not the norm to Africa

Nihilist:


I think you're the one who is getting confused.

Technique covers EVERY aspect of ball manipulation.

Slide tackling is as much a subset of Technique as is Shooting in my opinion.

Generally speaking most black\African players lack excellent technique, even the ones born abroad.

The blacks players born abroad who play football and have poor technique are like that because they do not possess a certain level of talent to work with. There are few black players abroad compared to the overall black population in Africa and when you have more a bigger sample size(like more blacks in a country relative to white) then you have a corresponding good number of black players who have very good technique coupled with excellent naturally occurring ability. That's a natural occurrence. You can say Europeans/South Americans are more naturally talented and i might agree but not when you say they have better technique simply because they are Caucasian. That's ridiculous. I play football leisurely in my spare time here with Russian folks(who are as Caucasian as you can get) and most of them have very poor technique and it's not that difficult to figure out why. Why do you think France has been developing so many black football talents of late? do you know the percentage of blacks in France? The parents of most of these black players are immigrants from french speaking African countries and some of their kids even have dual citizenship. Now how many players from those french speaking countries living in Africa end up as good players when they are brought up in Africa? very few. But what happens when they are born and trained in France? They become special.
Aren't there even more black players in Africa than France? Why do France a country who has fewer blacks than Africa end up producing far better black players than even the black African countries?

If you do a top 10 players of every technical skill known in footy, from dribbling to tackling, shooting to heading, passing to freekicks, I can bet you the list will be heavily dominated by Europeans/South Americans

I have explained how this works already due to talent. How did the Europeans come to dominate football today when South American countries were the initial kings? There was an incredible influx of great players and footballing talents to Europe and the Europeans leagues became better coupled with an advantage in financial standings and everything footballing aspect simply improved.

If you do a top 10 of players with athletic attributes, it will be dominated by Black's and Africans

Athleticism is a natural attribute and it is in different forms. The different positions of the torso in the body for example is one reason black tend to better runners and white better swimmers.

Thats just it. JayJay wasn't a physical force of nature. He was a bundle of skills. That's what made him and Kanu standout in a National team that is just known more for being fast and strong. That's the reason why we can't replicate those two. Oruma tried his hardest to be JJjnr...he just couldn't...because those two were exceptions not the norm to Africa

You are reinforcing what I've said. Jay jay and Kanu were simply more talented folks than the rest and this coupled with their technique made them better players and those who tried to replicate their footballing abilities but failed were simply not talented enough.

Dadehmola:


Stop distorting the facts - Phil jones is a hopelessly pathetic sicknote who has suffered all forms of injuries during his stay at the club!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/players/3540/phil_jones_injury.html

Elampiro, isnt it obvious that jones is a liability and should be loaned out to Bolton and retire afterwards??

What I read is that Jones had his first muscle injury last year.

Despite your screenshot, Jones has been fitter than Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, and Evans.

Nihilist:


I think you're the one who is getting confused.

Technique covers EVERY aspect of ball manipulation.

Slide tackling is as much a subset of Technique as is Shooting in my opinion.

Generally speaking most black\African players lack excellent technique, even the ones born abroad.

If you do a top 10 players of every technical skill known in footy, from dribbling to tackling, shooting to heading, passing to freekicks, I can bet you the list will be heavily dominated by Europeans/South Americans

If you do a top 10 of players with athletic attributes, it will be dominated by Black's and Africans

Thats just it. JayJay wasn't a physical force of nature. He was a bundle of skills. That's what made him and Kanu standout in a National team that is just known more for being fast and strong. That's the reason why we can't replicate those two. Oruma tried his hardest to be JJjnr...he just couldn't...because those two were exceptions not the norm to Africa

I actually think the reason why most of the talents are found across the South American region is due to the fact the players often start playing with the ball at tender ages. I think they even have a beach competition involving 5yrs kid players.
Messi for example started playing at the early age of 5yr old with his father as a coach. By then, his foot already got accustomed with the feel of the ball which would only get better as he grows older.
Okocha too was born among footballers who were his brothers. There's a likelihood that he started playing at a tender age with his brothers.
No doubt that talent is a factor but starting early also helps.

AdeLaNa1:
See ehn i dont know what ur problem is. This ur obsession of Coogar cant end well for u. U really should stop.

The first time i came to this thread, there was a Phil Jones argument going on. And i immediately made my stance about him known. So i dont understand why someone cant make his opinions known without u finding a way to blame Coogar. Abeg wetin be my own with Coogar na......

Coogar this, Coogar that. Abeg carry ur wahala and go!

How many times have I called Coogar since he left? I guess not more than three. You possibly mistake me for another.

Secondly, I just painted out the fact that Jones has stayed fit more than the rest young defenders we acquired since 2007.

€32m and Juve signed Pjanic

When Dopejemi turn racist abeg?

MrTA:
@DopeJemi. I think I get the point you are trying to make. It doesn't stop your original post being crass and generally terrible.

Do better bro. Not cool to speak about black people that way in any capacity. Joking or not.

Explain to me how "we are beginning to scout too many ugly black players" is crass? The fact that I added "ugly" shows I wasn't generalising, same way I could have said "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players"

I think you guys are the racists here, if my initial statement was, "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players" I don't think it would have gathered this much attention.. just because I think the black players we've been scouting lately are not fine which is obvious for all to see doesn't make me a racist, I think it puts me more on the side of a realist, kante is ugly, there's no two ways about it, there's no sugar coating it because he's black, is that the reason why I don't want him in my team? No, does it make me a racist cause I feel a certain black player is ugly, Hell to the No,

I shouldn’t call a black person ugly but I can call a white fella ugly? Now that is racism, I place the black and white race on the same level that's why I can call a person from either of the race whatever I like, If y'all place us on the same level, y'all wouldn't be too cautious about a particular race, if I call a white man an idiot, because I feel we are one and the same, I can also refer to a black man as an idiot, we all have blood flowing through our veins which is red in colour

I didn't complain when we signed martial, evra, nani, saha and co, I didn't even consider martial to be a cute fella when he signed but I loved the kinda football he played which wasn't gidi gidi

If we had scouted Diego Costa, I would have said the same thing too, cause i'm one of those fans who mock chelshit fans using Costa.

I am the kind of person that likes my team to consist of fine technical players, whether black or white

I thought being racist means condemning a particular race whether fine or not, call me anything but being a racist is what I am not

Diademk07:

I actually think the reason why most of the talents are found across the South American region is due to the fact the players often start playing with the ball at tender ages. I think they even have a beach competition involving 5yrs kid players.
Messi for example started playing at the early age of 5yr old with his father as a coach. By then, his foot already got accustomed with the feel of the ball which would only get better as he grows older.
Okocha too was born among footballers who were his brothers. There's a likelihood that he started playing at a tender age with his brothers.
No doubt that talent is a factor but starting early also helps.

Starting football early, including sports and by large leaning generally gives one more skills and better mastering of the arts. Given same natural talent, one who started practicing early life will carry out his task with more finesse than the other assuming they both practice daily afterwards. The more you delay to start practicing while you grow , the more will look mechanical in the art/sports/work.

I went to a certain sports arena to watch football practice and I saw boys well kitted, but when they started playing, I was disappointed. I told them they obviously look like people who started football late like 12 years. The coach said I was right. They thought they were good, but they were actually mechanical to me.

Man fellaini de rock white afro

GBR1:

Alright, I understand you.

No, because it's actually true. They currently suck at it just like running. The white folks in the US have access to standard facilities but they don't end up good basketball players because the natural conditions like athleticism, talent etc just more often favor the black folks in basketball and training isn't enough to compensate for that. About 60 years ago when there segregation existed and Jim crow laws were the order of the day in the US, NBA was heavily dominated by white players unlike today and you can't have said now or then that those white basketball players were terrible. I hope you get my point.

Yes I understand

elampiro:


Starting football early, including sports and by large leaning generally gives one more skills and better mastering of the arts. Given same natural talent, one who started practicing early life will carry out his task with more finesse than the other assuming they both practice daily afterwards. The more you delay to start practicing while you grow , the more will look mechanical in the art/sports/work.

I went to a certain sports arena to watch football practice and I saw boys well kitted, but when they started playing, I was disappointed. I told them they obviously look like people who started football late like 12 years. The coach said I was right. They thought they were good, but they were actually mechanical to me.

Quite right.
Also, the bone structure in the feet at that young age is still quite tender and with constant feel of the ball, it would likely shape up in a way that would be receptive to the ball, thereby leading to a good close control/first touch.

dopeJemi:


Explain to me how "we are beginning to scout too many ugly black players" is crass? The fact that I added "ugly" shows I wasn't generalising, same way I could have said "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players"

I think you guys are the racists here, if my initial statement was, "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players" I don't think it would have gathered this much attention.. just because I think the black players we've been scouting lately are not fine which is obvious for all to see doesn't make me a racist, I think it puts me more on the side of a realist, kante is ugly, there's no two ways about it, there's no sugar coating it because he's black, is that the reason why I don't want him in my team? No, does it make me a racist cause I feel a certain black player is ugly, Hell to the No,

I shouldn’t call a black person ugly but I can call a white fella ugly? Now that is racism, I place the black and white race on the same level that's why I can call a person from either of the race whatever I like, If y'all place us on the same level, y'all wouldn't be too cautious about a particular race, if I call a white man an idiot, because I feel we are one and the same, I can also refer to a black man as an idiot, we all have blood flowing through our veins which is red in colour

I didn't complain when we signed martial, evra, nani, saha and co, I didn't even consider martial to be a cute fella when he signed but I loved the kinda football he played which wasn't gidi gidi

If we had scouted Diego Costa, I would have said the same thing too, cause i'm one of those fans who mock chelshit fans using Costa.

I am the kind of person that likes my team to consist of fine technical players, whether black or white

I thought being racist means condemning a particular race whether fine or not, call me anything but being a racist is what I am not

As far as I'm concerned, eventhough ugly, Kante is quite better than Pogba. He's quite intelligent, can dribble and he's quite good on the ball in tight spaces.
Trying fancy unnecessary tricks while being rubbish in your general play doesn't make you a good player. Pogba is ugly as well.

dopeJemi:


Explain to me how "we are beginning to scout too many ugly black players" is crass? The fact that I added "ugly" shows I wasn't generalising, same way I could have said "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players"

I think you guys are the racists here, if my initial statement was, "we are beginning to sign too many ugly white players" I don't think it would have gathered this much attention.. just because I think the black players we've been scouting lately are not fine which is obvious for all to see doesn't make me a racist, I think it puts me more on the side of a realist, kante is ugly, there's no two ways about it, there's no sugar coating it because he's black, is that the reason why I don't want him in my team? No, does it make me a racist cause I feel a certain black player is ugly, Hell to the No,

I shouldn’t call a black person ugly but I can call a white fella ugly? Now that is racism, I place the black and white race on the same level that's why I can call a person from either of the race whatever I like, If y'all place us on the same level, y'all wouldn't be too cautious about a particular race, if I call a white man an idiot, because I feel we are one and the same, I can also refer to a black man as an idiot, we all have blood flowing through our veins which is red in colour

I didn't complain when we signed martial, evra, nani, saha and co, I didn't even consider martial to be a cute fella when he signed but I loved the kinda football he played which wasn't gidi gidi

If we had scouted Diego Costa, I would have said the same thing too, cause i'm one of those fans who mock chelshit fans using Costa.

I am the kind of person that likes my team to consist of fine technical players, whether black or white

I thought being racist means condemning a particular race whether fine or not, call me anything but being a racist is what I am not

Take out the ugly from your post and you still think your post is acceptable? If you do, fine. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. its definitely a very crass statement I wouldnt accept a white person saying it. Even without the ugly part.

elampiro:

I went to a certain sports arena to watch football practice and I saw boys well kitted, but when they started playing, I was disappointed. I told them they obviously look like people who started football late like 12 years. The coach said I was right. They thought they were good, but they were actually mechanical to me.

Those "mechanics" will certainly make it under LvG

Diademk07:

As far as I'm concerned, eventhough ugly, Kante is quite better than Pogba. He's quite intelligent, can dribble and quite good on the ball in tight spaces.
Trying fancy unnecessary tricks while being rubbish in your overall ply doesn't make you a good player. Pogba is ugly as well.

Is kante better than pogba going forward? I don't think so, who do you think is more technical between the duo?

Put kante's face on pogba's body, I would take kante's face on pogba's body not minding the face but his technicality

When I said ugly black players, I meant too different things, one, I like my team to consist of fine players whether black or white... two, I like my team to consist of technical players whether black or white, and it just so happens that the players we've signed and scouted don't fit my description, hence the ugly black players remark

You wouldn't have seen me make that statement if it were players like douglas Costa, coman and their likes we were in for

Italy don score

Fellani just can't help himself, can he? He didn't even spare Darmian

MrTA:


Take out the ugly from your post and you still think your post is acceptable? If you do, fine. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. its definitely a very crass statement I wouldnt accept a white person saying it. Even without the ugly part.

Now let's take out the ugly from my post

"We are beginning to sign too many black players"

Dopejemi thinks 95 percent of black players are not technical compared to white players but didn't say all black players are not technical hence the reference to some other black players like coman, douglas, pogba, okocha and co..


Now let's assume this is the NBA thread

Dopejemi says "we are beginning to sign too many white players" why? Because he thinks black people are better in the game than the white folks but he doesn't think all whites are terrible at b.ball

Dopejemi feels a particular race is better at a particular sport than the other race when you look at the majority, but doesn't rule out the entire race, GBR1 already explained why that is


It is fact that Asians are good at math

Belgian stars "hidden" as usual.

dopeJemi:


Is kante better than pogba going forward? I don't think so, who do you think is more technical between the duo?

Put kante's face on pogba's body, I would take kante's face on pogba's body not minding the face but his technicality

When I said ugly black players, I meant too different things, one, I like my team to consist of fine players whether black or white... two, I like my team to consist of technical players whether black or white, and it just so happens that the players we've signed and scouted don't fit my description, hence the ugly black players remark

You wouldn't have seen me make that statement if it were players like douglas Costa, coman and their likes we were in for

Why not?
This is player who often starts Leicester attack while operating in a 2-man midfield. The last time he operated in a 3-man midfield as a box-box CM for France, he scored a goal. Hence, I won't say his attacking play is lacking.
Also, did you watch France match against Romania? Despite operating in the holding role, he was pulling off penetrative vertical passes between the lines and lovely long passes. There was a time he hit an accurate 60 yard long pass, he was just too good in that match.
As per technique, I can't say who's better because as far I'm concerned, if you have a lovely first touch and can operate quite well in tight space to the extent of evading your marker/pressures, you have a fantastic technique. All these Kante is quite capable of. Most times, opposition had tried to man-mark him while playing for Leicester yet he kept bouncing off them. For example, the Stoke game was a game where everyone was on his neck yet he still came out as the best player in that game. I doubt Pogba would have been as important as Kante in a 2-man midfield.
The season he had the responsibility shifted on him after Pirlo nd Vidal left, he had an average season. It still baffles me how people rates him at 70mil after the season he had. He's not even worth 40mil. Few fancy tricks and the odd goals doesn't make a worldcalss midfielder.

parrotibaba:
Belgian stars "hidden" as usual.

Who is their captain?

GBR1:
Who is their captain?

He is hidden