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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 7:07pm On Jun 15, 2016
Agarawu I beg no kill me with laugh
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 7:25pm On Jun 15, 2016
agarawu23:
imagine the wahala? Make person drive for hot sun reach house com open one yeye hot water for head. The only time it will be useful is only December during harmattan.

It's meant for countries with cold weather and not our hot naija. The ones we use here functions 24/7 and are unuse for just 4 and half month during summer.
unless you live in jos
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 7:39pm On Jun 15, 2016
twinskenny:
unless you live in jos
Oga that thing wey dey jos no be cold.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 7:40pm On Jun 15, 2016
rotecch77:
Agarawu I beg no kill me with laugh
na so ooooo grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ottersberger(m): 7:40pm On Jun 15, 2016
NL1960:


The funny thing be say when you finish using the heater to take your bathe with hot water, you will now be sweating and will put on fan or AC to cool yourself and if there is no light for that, you go begin fan yourself with hand fan. I just dey laff for heater for Nigeria. cheesy

Which makes you sweat more. Talk about a vicious circle.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:41pm On Jun 15, 2016
babalose:
The Contemporary style house grew out of Modern architecture, which arose with the Industrial Revolution of the early 20th century. Modern home style is marked by simple, clean lines; the idea that “form follows function”; and the use of what were then newly available building materials (iron, steel and sheet glass).
Modern and Contemporary in design are not one in the same, as many people might think. Modern design refers to a period of time. It doesn't change, it is a defined style, and will remain such for ever. Contemporary design is ever changing, ever evolving.
Contemporary homes are defined by their largely geometric form — cubes play a big part in the design philosophy. ... yet, conversely, an attempt to get the house to in some way welcome in the outside.
The simplicity and functionality of a Contemporary house makes it appealing. It defies time and age. It is not in vogue neither will it stop being in vogue.

You're very correct. What we are doing is a modern architecture.

Contemporary architecture is with the likes of Zaha Hadid of blessed memory

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 7:49pm On Jun 15, 2016
agarawu23:
imagine the wahala? Make person drive for hot sun reach house com open one yeye hot water for head. The only time it will be useful is only December during harmattan.

It's meant for countries with cold weather and not our hot naija. The ones we use here functions 24/7 and are unuse for just 4 and half month during summer.
Guy 4 mama charlie country na hotwater we dey bathe, dem nor born U well to have a cold shower, even in the hot summer, E be like say fridge dey where the water dey come frm grin grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 7:50pm On Jun 15, 2016
For the area 1 ensuite and one to serve as both family and visitors toilet, I would tile all round (bathroom to top of window and kitchen 3 layers round only work surface area which tends to be L or U shape) and have cupboard in kitchen and wardrobe in both bedrooms. Good clean necessities bolted down as much as possible . At least 3 double sockets in living room and 2 in other places. I will not bother with kitchen socket just standard UK self imported ones so I know its truly 13amps.

Lights will be 2 for sitting and bedrooms and 1 elsewhere. Sliding windows, minimal security on windows, local iron doors for external, wood internal doors. It should have a general nice feel without breaking the bank.

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mavverick:
Madam Gabby

I trust you are good.
I would like to ask you some questions, if you were to build 2 bed flats again, lets say in Ajiwe area of Ajah. What would you include and what would you exclude ?

I thought En-suite was more of a standard these days, I know someone who has a block of flats around Isheri Olofin, no tiles and only 1 central toilet/bathroom. I hear to rent is difficult now because tenants expect tiling and also 2 toilets at least.


Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ottersberger(m): 7:51pm On Jun 15, 2016
erico2k2:

Guy 4 mama charlie country na hotwater we dey bathe, dem nor born U well to have a cold shower, even in the hot summer, E be like say fridge dey where the water dey come frm grin grin

I think you were going to write freezer grin.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EndiaSami: 7:51pm On Jun 15, 2016
agarawu23:
imagine the wahala? Make person drive for hot sun reach house com open one yeye hot water for head. The only time it will be useful is only December during harmattan.

It's meant for countries with cold weather and not our hot naija. The ones we use here functions 24/7 and are unuse for just 4 and half month during summer.



So in other words, it's necessary abi?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 7:55pm On Jun 15, 2016
EndiaSami:




So in other words, it's necessary abi?
its not necessary but ppl that need it should do it. And the installation must come with the plan of the house.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 7:56pm On Jun 15, 2016
erico2k2:

Guy 4 mama charlie country na hotwater we dey bathe, dem nor born U well to have a cold shower, even in the hot summer, E be like say fridge dey where the water dey come frm grin grin
you go fear cold na
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EndiaSami: 8:05pm On Jun 15, 2016
agarawu23:
its not necessary but ppl that need it should do it. And the installation must come with the plan of the house.

Alright.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 8:10pm On Jun 15, 2016
My last build 1 paid for 3 or 4 days of design (15-20k) not including windows and it makes it stand out in the area.

Each area tends to have a ceiling rent. Find out what this is before going OTT on build cost.

My rents are below ceiling rent such that vacancy is minimal and last build were all let before they were completed.


n3xt:


A good majority wanna impress. I'm sure owners of multi dwellings will have a lot to say in this crunch. Little to zero occupancy rate and tenants owing rent. However, it's just basic things will do and not the paparazzis.

The Reserve by NextHome has made me to realize that property price are dependent largely on location and not the finishes.

It's one of the cheapest build I've ever done. No window hood design, no special tiles, no ante, no expensive chandeliers, no special types of doors, no special roof, no special landscape - yet the landlord is getting almost $10,000 per unit multiply by 3.

Yet some over designed structures struggle to get $1,500 with the most difficult tenants.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 8:15pm On Jun 15, 2016
EgunMogaji:


Thank you.

I've been resistant to get into owning rental units in Nigeria but Wifeys insistence seems to be wearing me down so I've been reluctantly paying more attention to you folks.
i and Oga erico2k2 talk about tenant issue on a particular thread. He insisted he can't live without tenants. As for me, I no get time for tenant palava. I cant live with one or build commercially for one.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by write2obi(m): 8:23pm On Jun 15, 2016
n3xt:


I'll surely do at much later time tonight or tomorrow morning.
OK, fingers crossed
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:31pm On Jun 15, 2016
agarawu23:
i and Oga erico2k2 talk about tenant issue on a particular thread. He insisted he can't live without tenants. As for me, I no get time for tenant palava. I cant live with one or build commercially for one.

I'm with you and I'll hand over the keys to her when I'm done to manage it on her own.

Nigeria to me is a vacation and retirement destination. It'll never be a place of hustle for me.

The Hausas that'll live with me will not be as a tenant but as part of levels of defense.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EndiaSami: 8:50pm On Jun 15, 2016
EgunMogaji:


How much is a 100 litter or thereabouts gas (propane) powered central water heater?

Also the PEX, is it 3/8 or 1/2 inch?

Thanks.

Baba, na electric dey this part of the world... No gas own

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:03pm On Jun 15, 2016
EndiaSami:


Baba, na electric dey this part of the world... No gas own


I see.

I remember back in the early 70s when my family lived in Saki, that we had a kerosine powered fridge. There was no electricity in the whole town then.

We are ripe for alternative energy in that country.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:25pm On Jun 15, 2016
https://www.nairaland.com/3168896/robbers-use-charm-open-padlocks

This one is up KolaShangOnes alley grin

Dem use jazz open gate, use am remove burglary, use am put pessin inside to sleep.

Why dem no kuku sidon for dem house use jazz bring money come from inside bank vault.

My mentor, Sheik Buhari Musa has dared them to go use jazz enter aso Rock go rob grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Juokorow(m): 9:36pm On Jun 15, 2016
mufutau55:


Will surely ask and look around in Home Depot. But all I see is the mortar being used here too on hollow blocks...

Hajji M.
The attached brief video illustrates how hollow blocks are laid neatly and efficiently (mortar-wise), using a common trowel. It boils down to training and appropriate compensation for highly skilled block layers. This reminds me of the reasons why Togolese are deemed exceptionally good on plastering, tile-work, etc. Sometimes, it ain't the quality of the hammer, but the skill of the carpenter that creates shabby results.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VGjA66RSm0

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 9:41pm On Jun 15, 2016
It all starts from the architectural design. A few years back I was comparing blocks needed with Brabus and the walls seperating two flats his had more than double mine. My question finding where we can save cost while still meeting our objective as always no compromise on safety and structural integrity.

Piecemeal generally will add to the cost of the build. Set a tentative completion date having in mind external omonile and other disturbances.

Find 1-3 critical workers consider PRP payable on completion. Are you in a habit of saying what you mean and doing what you say cos if they do not believe you will pay on completion then it means nothing.

I will complete tomorrow as off to bed now.



s
lastpage:


Madam,

please, you must do a book!

I know you are good at cost-management/price negotiation... but if you can do the above at under #20M.... l need to understudy your methods and adopt a lot of your strategy!

Just give us the gist in a written form (but dont ask us to buy the book also! grin ) ... and someone like me can 'buy' it for serious study.

Cheers,




Lastpage!

Can l borrow your Hat please? cry cry
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:51pm On Jun 15, 2016
Juokorow:

The attached brief video illustrates how hollow blocks are laid neatly and efficiently (mortar-wise), using a common trowel. It boils down to training and appropriate compensation for highly skilled block layers. This reminds me of the reasons why Togolese are deemed exceptionally good on plastering, tile-work, etc. Sometimes, it ain't the quality of the hammer, but the skill of the carpenter that creates shabby results.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VGjA66RSm0


1) I've had that video saved as inspiration

2) No Nigerian block is that anatomically correct and structurally sound, not even the big boys blocks even though he's using the same Q10 machine made by the Chinese

3) That guy in that video is an exceptional pro and I don't see how he can make less than $35 per hour.

4) One doesn't need trick tools and gadgets.

Very nice.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 9:52pm On Jun 15, 2016
mufutau55:


True. And if our block laying can be this accurate and neat... may be we will not need all those plastering anymore. Thank you Sir.

Hajji M.
I've really learnt from this thread sir.
I can't but notice discussions tending towards possible doing away with plastering.
The entrepreneur and manufacturer in me sees opportunity in this discuss, but I would like to seek expert opinion to know if the regular plastering has structural function to a structure in terms of strength of the wall and if doing away with it wont affect the building
Also, does it have benefits like significantly reducing weight of the building besides the financial savings.
I ask because it's possible to manufacture a light screeding/plastering material that can be coloured and applied to blocks to give a smooth finish that won't need to be painted.
Such plaster would have the benefit of reduced weight if that is the desired result in addition to being stronger than regular rendering with good water vapor permeability, anti fungi and fir retardant ability.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:53pm On Jun 15, 2016
This, properly mixed mortar and correct blocks are what is needed grin

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:54pm On Jun 15, 2016
gbadexy:

I've really learnt from this thread sir.
I can't but notice discussions tending towards possible doing away with plastering.
The entrepreneur and manufacturer in me sees opportunity in this discuss, but I would like to seek expert opinion to know if the regular plastering has structural function to a structure in terms of strength of the wall and if doing away with it wont affect the building
Also, does it have benefits like significantly reducing weight of the building besides the financial savings.
I ask because it's possible to manufacture a light screeding/plastering material that can be coloured and applied to blocks to give a smooth finish that won't need to be painted.
Such plaster would have the benefit of reduced weight if that is the desired result in addition to being stronger than regular rendering with good water vapor permeability, anti fungi and fir retardant ability.

The render you hope to manufacture is already in existence.

Maybe you can make it cheaper.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 10:10pm On Jun 15, 2016
EgunMogaji:


The render you hope to manufacture is already in existence.

Maybe you can make it cheaper.
It's a mathematical certainty to be produced by me. I have samples used in different applications but it can be modified/ adapted for this purpose.
I assume the major attraction would be overall reduced cost in addition to functionality and the major savings can be achieved in the area of packaging.
The use of laminated sack for the paste in place of plastic container.
I will be willing to give my oga Hajji mufutau some drums in 20 litres for use in security post or other such area for trial.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Juokorow(m): 11:10pm On Jun 15, 2016
EgunMogaji:


1) I've had that video saved as inspiration

2) No Nigerian block is that anatomically correct and structurally sound, not even the big boys blocks even though he's using the same Q10 machine made by the Chinese

3) That guy in that video is an exceptional pro and I don't see how he can make less than $35 per hour.

4) One doesn't need trick tools and gadgets.

Very nice.

Thanks. You might remember that I had commented on the neat block work on your fence. I also have keenly noted the relatively consistent neat block work on Sypder880's many builds. I'm simply committed to achieving a reasonably neat block and other masonry work on my upcoming project. While home in December, I hand selected a Molder to handmold to my architect's specs, under daily supervision by my "tough" sister inlaw. Attached are a few sections of about 9000 blocks molded thus far from the one 9" "mold" (dat metal form wey they use) and one for the 6" ( for non load bearing partitions etc). A cropped close inspection of the pictures indicates that the blocks are sufficiently identical and should not account for poor block work.
BTw, I "borrowed" your shed ( technical term) sloping flat roof style, with a few of your pictures as examples for for my architect to use for my BQ. I hope sey u no mind o! Thanks again.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:46pm On Jun 15, 2016
Juokorow:


Thanks. You might remember that I had commented on the neat block work on your fence. I also have keenly noted the relatively consistent neat block work on Sypder880's many builds. I'm simply committed to achieving a reasonably neat block and other masonry work on my upcoming project. While home in December, I hand selected a Molder to handmold to my architect's specs, under daily supervision by my "tough" sister inlaw. Attached are a few sections of about 9000 blocks molded thus far from the one 9" "mold" (dat metal form wey they use) and one for the 6" ( for non load bearing partitions etc). A cropped close inspection of the pictures indicates that the blocks are sufficiently identical and should not account for poor block work.
BTw, I "borrowed" your shed ( technical term) sloping flat roof style, with a few of your pictures as examples for for my architect to use for my BQ. I hope sey u no mind o! Thanks again.

Well done.

This is great.

You've saved considerably with making your blocks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:03am On Jun 16, 2016
gabbytabby:
My last build 1 paid for 3 or 4 days of design (15-20k) not including windows and it makes it stand out in the area.

Each area tends to have a ceiling rent. Find out what this is before going OTT on build cost.

My rents are below ceiling rent such that vacancy is minimal and last build were all let before they were completed.



Exactly! There's a price to pay for each build because people actually value location over the building itself.

There's no commercial build I've done on this thread that hasn't achieve more than 30% ROI in the first year even the lockup shops that I constructed in IBA. They were already occupied before the completion.

One thing that I've found out is that Building is an art that must be learnt. It goes beyond raising walls and plumbing lines.

One may find it very interesting that Plot 10AB (a single unit) was sold at 80% completion for N55m giving almost 40% shocked profit to the owner. I actually mean uncompleted building.

If I choose to sell the reserve now, I'll be making over 200% profit on that build just within the first 2 years (we commence work in October 2014) because the value of land alone in the area has gone up by 250% within a year.

All this as a result of good planning. And a strategic one for that matter!

There's no one to impress. Go gaga on the basics. A spatial space in the compound, good design, large living room (open plan design works best), good kitchen, always make provision for the maid no matter how small (in build-to-sell or build-to-let properties in prime areas), high ceiling, good windows/doors (basic ones), good electrical fittings/fixtures, good toilets/bath, basic tiles, simple burglar proof/railings (slat works magic), POP ceilings.

For commercial builds, keep it to maximum of 4 families on a single plot. 700 x 4 gives 2800. This is better than 600 x 6 which gives 3600 with so much to worry about (cost-to-build, cost-to-manage and ROI). Make provision for good parking/play area.

Research have it that MultiDwellings and Multifloors are by far the most difficult properties to sell and they are often sold at figures lesser than advertised.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 1:33am On Jun 16, 2016
gabbytabby:
It all starts from the architectural design. A few years back I was comparing blocks needed with Brabus and the walls seperating two flats his had more than double mine. My question finding where we can save cost while still meeting our objective as always no compromise on safety and structural integrity.

Piecemeal generally will add to the cost of the build. Set a tentative completion date having in mind external omonile and other disturbances.

Find 1-3 critical workers consider PRP payable on completion. Are you in a habit of saying what you mean and doing what you say cos if they do not believe you will pay on completion then it means nothing.

I will complete tomorrow as off to bed now.


Madam, security and privacy is one of the key selling points in most of my builds.

When it's detached, you are completely on your own with your family. No shared facilities.

When it is attached, I always use the cavity wall to achieve the same thing that party wall will do in detached buildings. People want a sense of privacy where they live.
I wouldn't know if people actually place emphasis on this during house hunt. But 99% of properties that get occupancy rate are those with fewer shares facilities. People always think of meters, water tank etc as shared facility. No, the parking space, the kids play area no matter how small, the available space for laundry, etc always determine the type of tenant a building will attract.


Attached below is the construction pics of the reserve by NextHome. I can save a few bucks by eliminating some walls from the design but live to deal with natural day lighting and security/privacy issues amongst occupants. Maybe 500 or more blocks and that's it.

Now each occupant in my co-joined build had separated entrances, separated exits, courtyard, separated parking spaces, separated terraces - yet they live in a building that's not completely detached.

People will definitely pay more for the little extra comfort and not the separated meters etc.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 1:45am On Jun 16, 2016
@QC1

Sent you email thru your yahoo address, gmail refused the mail. Let me know.

Hajji M.

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