Hi guys,

Can anyone please give me rough estimate/quote for copping a fence of 60x120?


Thanks.

This will solve all the problem in that house,bcs new foundation will be done beneath the house

When i bought my DB about 7/8 months ago, I was told about this brand and that it is very good. I know of AB and I know of ABB made in England, I believe in the end I went for ABB as the price difference was not much. Mind, this was all before the forex thing went up north, about 14 or 16k or so each then.

danowena:
Does anyone know this DB product? How good/original is it?

Ok, whilst I may not be a building expert, I have seen houses that have been underpinned, albeit not in nija.
What they did was to have it on stilt, remove the floor boards (what we call german floor in nija, its just wood), pump cement back into the foundation and then cover the floor boards back again.

What happend with the house is that it was having vertical cracks around window frames and doors, when I saw it I knew something was wrong, then I saw the structural report as well. There is no point posting the pictures of the house as the circumstances are different.

What I would like to know is that how would underpinning be done in nija ? Also, its one for weak foundations, I am not sure about where you have water issues, I also think the solution to the problem is not one that can be done in front of a computer, a structural engineer needs to visit to ascertain what needs to be done. For the benefit of those who do not know what underpinning is. Read on

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IF THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR BUILDING IS WEAK: DON’T PANIC, JUST UNDERPIN
[/size] Posted on Nov 16, 2015 Categories: CONSTRUCTION

Most building collapse scenarios across the world have been attributed to faulty, weak or unstable foundations/sub-structures or issues of overloading of certain structural members within it. Many may wonder if there is any remedy to damaged or poorly-constructed foundations. The good news is -Yes there is. For buildings or other structures with poor, faulty or weak foundations, underpinning operations can be carried out to correct such defects without aesthetic distortion or demolition. Similarly, in buildings for which extra-loading is intended to be introduced (due to remodeling or change of use) beyond the original design, underpinning is also recommended. In the latter case, it is important to first carry out an in-depth assessment of the strength of the foundation in order to ascertain if it can sufficiently sustain the additional load and safely transmit it to the ground on which it rests. Generally when a major renovation, repair, addition, alteration or conversion work is to be performed on an existing building of one-storey or more, a structural integrity test on its load-bearing elements and components should be carried out by a structural engineer to ascertain current structural needs or deficiencies. This assessment should form an essential part of the condition survey of the existing building from which the schedule of dilapidation will be prepared and submitted for the purpose of measurement/valuation and subsequent work.

The structural integrity test aims to determine the mechanical properties of the soil stratum just beneath and at the sides of the building’s foundation as well as the current strength/stability status of all its structural members e.g. foundation members, beams, columns, load-bearing walls, shafts, floors and roof and the restrictions imposed during this operation.

If the foundation is not strong enough to sustain the new load you want to add to the building (for example an extra floor), additional weights may be introduced to the foundation. However if it’s strength is ok but it will deflect largely when transmitting the entire load to the subsoil on which it rests, the foundation can be taken to a safer depth using micro-piles, pre-stressed connections, jet grouting, etc. or by simply improving the supporting soil’s mechanical properties, its stiffness or bearing capacity in what is known as an underpinning operation. However, only a competent professional foundation or structural engineer must be allowed to manage this high-risk operation to avoid any disaster ranging from underground trappings/caving-in, structural disintegration, to uncontrolled failures or collapse which may pose a huge threat to adjoining structures and facilities, losses and avoidable injuries or death especially in medium and high-rise buildings or structures above 7m from natural ground level.

In Nigeria, most building owners are ignorant of the existence of this cost-effective technique and would rather pull down the entire structure and put up a new one. Research has shown that apart from saving time, the cost of underpinning foundations is generally much lower than the cost of demolish-and-rebuild. In addition, underpinning operations saves time and retains the structure’s original efficiency or even gives it a greater efficiency throughout its life span.

Culled from Castles Magazine
Engr. Osaz. J. ENOBAKHARE is an award-winning Building Contractor and Structural Engineer at Heavens Design-Build Contractors Ltd handling building and estate infrastructure projects across Nigeria since 2010.

rotecch77:
@all and brabus, I think of one solution to that sinking house which I beleived most builder knows about.
Underpinning, I believed this will solve the problem of sinking structure

Acceptance of guilt, repentance and restitution. Me I no see this oh.

Instead what I see is arrogance and in your face what can you do to me attitude. That stinks to high heavens.

He needs a million percent humble pie and some.

My take is he needs to build his reputation offline and in say 2-3 years when people's mind have cooled then do a show me what you got with references. Learn to read and receive more and write or speak less.

lastpage:


You are right Madam! I agree that l fall-hand, nor be small.
Brabus matter get as e-be!

I agree that he took on jobs that he was not eminently qualified to do.
I agree that he messed-up people's build and wasted their money
I agree that over-ambition, over-confidence and arrogance also played a large part.
So, he deserves most of what he is getting.

But l also understand most of these problems happened a few years back (2013 -2014)...... and P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y, he has studied, learned and acquired more knowledge to face the future.
I also understand that like with Maverick, he has been trying to make "amends".

In my book, what l look for in others is a "spirit of Acceptance of Guilt, Repentance and Restitution".

I am not Jesus that l would utterly condemn anyone who had taken those three steps.

I will never justify what he did but the only option we have, aside forgiving him (as long as he stays straight) is to destroy him.... and along with his own family (wife and children).

If l am left with those two choices, l will chose the path of forgiveness.
Maybe l am just lenient and too compassionate.
Maybe its my weakness, may God forgive me.
I will rather we learn from the past mistakes of others .......so that we dont repeat same in future"

As for doing my current build, its at "roofing stage" and Brabus is not a Roofer!
Tower Aluminium is currently on that.

if l have money and want to do another build, he might get the Carcass work.
But honestly, the "knowledge gap" between me and most builders here is very minimal and so, it will be a waste, (except for a very complex build) to employ a "Builder Contractor" while l stand aside and watch!

What l do is employ a seasoned Engineer to supervise me-myself..... while l supervise the Artisans!
I have done it thrice now and its working out and saving me tons of money!

Thats why l value Nairaland because l can read very, very well and assimilate knowledge.
Everyday, l learn something new from people like you .....(You know say your experience in building is second to none, not to mention your forthrightness", which l came across as far back as 2012, in the Auto Section, l know you cant remember ) ....and other Builders in the house.

A'onile omo'buruku fe'kun paaje now, abi?

Forgive your boy Ma.



Lastpage!

Thank you Sir. much appreciated.

allCopacetic:
not necessarily, unless it's motion activated . Sensor switches like that on my thread (see attached pic) use body heat, and stay on as long as the heat source is detected . They are probably best suited for places like toilets, kitchens and other such locations where you want the light on Everytime you're there.... You could be in a room but want the light off.

FreeWorld23:
I don't know ooooooooooooooo.

No update about your house

Agarawu, post the Link make i vote for Lanicky.
Thank you

mavverick:
When i bought my DB about 7/8 months ago, I was told about this brand and that it is very good. I know of AB and I know of ABB made in England, I believe in the end I went for ABB as the price difference was not much. Mind, this was all before the forex thing went up north, about 14 or 16k or so each then.

Thanks!

back2sender:

Agarawu, post the Link make i vote for Lanicky.
Thank you

Go back to page 365. Just copy what I wrote below and paste on the page. Dats all!


I vote Lanicky

CC: NLJEGA

Yes is been done here in nigeria in some area before, some where in Abeokuta erunbe (Heath center) and other area also

back2sender:

Agarawu, post the Link make i vote for Lanicky.
Thank you

https://www.nairaland.com/3186985/miss-nairaland-contest-2016-grand. I vote Lanicky. Nljega.

@lastpage, I don't think anyone wants you to conform to any convention. Far from it but I think that unless you are one of those clients (myself included) that has been affected by Brabus you really cannot comprehend what we are feeling. Fact

I see your points for forgiveness and I am all for it if Brabus is truly sorry but let's ask this very simple question. Do you HONESTLY believe with all the response/comments that you have read from Brabus he is truly sorry for all these mistakes (as you put them)?

I will really like your honest YES/NO to this question

And BTW does 2015 qualify as a few years back?

Yeah, maybe I was sleep-building when Brabus was working on our project but I and certainly none of the other clients deserved what they got from Brabus

lastpage:



WRONG!

Honestly,
I swear to God, l will give him, if the need/opportunity arises.
(I generally dont "swear by God's name"... my YES, is my YES, and my NO, is my NO..... and for me to say the above, it means a lot)


I know his "weakness".... and l am capable of supervising him to the last block!

I wont give him any document to get for me (I know where l do such things and l have never been disappointed)
l cant accuse him of stealing my Block or anything (I put soldiers on my fenced site)
He cant build "floating pillar" for me (I will be watching and approving "everything" ....before casting)
He cant even 'breath' (I am always on my site 24/7, when l am building .....usually when l am on annual leave)

So, where will the mistake come from?
Problem is, he was building for people who "gave him money and went to sleep" (I dont blame them for that) ....when he himself was just getting on a "steep learning curve", back then.

But l am sure he is learning fast!
He is an "educated hustler" and hustlers are "sharp/intelligent" people.

I just hope he can STFU and stop trying to "argue his way out" of every accusation.
That one annoys me real bad!
Silence at times, is Golden.

Make una forgive me say l am not "acting true to convention".
That is just me.



Lastpage!

FreeWorld23:
https://www.nairaland.com/3186985/miss-nairaland-contest-2016-grand. I vote Lanicky. Nljega.

Done!

danowena:
Does anyone know this DB product? How good/original is it?
Topsy23 , spyder880, segcymoor, mufutau55, etc

I ve heard about the product but I ve not use it. A&B is different from ABB. I can't say much about the product

3strikes:



I appreciate your response sir. Gracias Amigo.

You welcome sir

FreeWorld23:
https://www.nairaland.com/3186985/miss-nairaland-contest-2016-grand. I vote Lanicky. Nljega.

DOne!
But i think one ivy is dominating oo

babalose:
Whenever there is a constructive discussion going on in this thread, the pages get filled up slowly but when it's about the infamous Brabus, everyone seem to always want to chip in something. I appreciate the tenacity of those agrieved by Bosun to avert anything of such happening to anyone again on this thread and I sincerely pray they never get tired. No one deserves to be ill treated by a builder. Let us also not forget that this thread is about building construction and it provides those of us who are novice and are keen to learn new ideas, an opportunity to do so.

@EgunMogaji....the design of the concrete block should be given a try by professionals on the thread afterall we are all about innovative ideas that will eventually save us some money and time.

Babalose

I constantly troll the Internet for alternative home construction methods, alternative power sources and automotive repair business ideas. These are the things I'll retire to do in Nigeria (wish I could start not but Nigeria dictates being on the ground 24/7 on startups).

Anyways this video got me to the edge of my seat with interest and I spent the new doing research.

I already have the materials on doing similar with wood logs.

mavverick:
When i bought my DB about 7/8 months ago..
.. I believe in the end I went for ABB as the price difference was not much.

Original ABB costs almost or twice as much as ABt fir most sizes , if you bought ABB at a price even remotely close to ABt. You most likely have wt is referred to as a "follow come".

As far back as 2014 whn ABt (D4 TPN) was retailing for abt 14-15k, ABB was in the environment of 25k.

ABB of The attached size (D6 TPN) currently cost more than twice as much as the ABt

lastpage:


You are right Madam! I agree that l fall-hand, nor be small.
Brabus matter get as e-be!

I agree that he took on jobs that he was not eminently qualified to do.
I agree that he messed-up people's build and wasted their money
I agree that over-ambition, over-confidence and arrogance also played a large part.
So, he deserves most of what he is getting.

But l also understand most of these problems happened a few years back (2013 -2014)...... and P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y, he has studied, learned and acquired more knowledge to face the future.
I also understand that like with Maverick, he has been trying to make "amends".

In my book, what l look for in others is a "spirit of Acceptance of Guilt, Repentance and Restitution".

I am not Jesus that l would utterly condemn anyone who had taken those three steps.

I will never justify what he did but the only option we have, aside forgiving him (as long as he stays straight) is to destroy him.... and along with his own family (wife and children).

If l am left with those two choices, l will chose the path of forgiveness.
Maybe l am just lenient and too compassionate.
Maybe its my weakness, may God forgive me.
I will rather we learn from the past mistakes of others .......so that we dont repeat same in future"

As for doing my current build, its at "roofing stage" and Brabus is not a Roofer!
Tower Aluminium is currently on that.

if l have money and want to do another build, he might get the Carcass work.
But honestly, the "knowledge gap" between me and most builders here is very minimal and so, it will be a waste, (except for a very complex build) to employ a "Builder Contractor" while l stand aside and watch!

What l do is employ a seasoned Engineer to supervise me-myself..... while l supervise the Artisans!
I have done it thrice now and its working out and saving me tons of money!

Thats why l value Nairaland because l can read very, very well and assimilate knowledge.
Everyday, l learn something new from people like you .....(You know say your experience in building is second to none, not to mention your forthrightness", which l came across as far back as 2012, in the Auto Section, l know you cant remember ) ....and other Builders in the house.

A'onile omo'buruku fe'kun paaje now, abi?

Forgive your boy Ma.



Lastpage!

1) Seems to me that, like me, you're astute enough to handle your builds, so why do you need a Brabus? I'm asking in case I'm missing something that can help me.

2) I salute your compassion for family but me I'm morally flexible to allow collateral damage. Weren't his family eating bokoto and eran igbe with him? Not sure about you but I consider the implications on my family when making career affecting decisions. How about the family of those aggrieved?

How does QC1s family feel when they see their waterlogged castle and on the same page they see Brabus gloating with his duplex?

2015 is not years back on an investment that's supposed to be enjoyed for 30 years at least.

It is what it is.

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Mr AZUH Chey nah only U waka come

danowena:
Does anyone know this DB product? How good/original is it?
Topsy23 , spyder880, segcymoor, mufutau55, etc

Its a very very okay brand, if you're on a budget

erico2k2:




Mr AZUH Chey nah only U waka come

https://www.nairaland.com/3186985/miss-nairaland-contest-2016-grand. Hot seat pls

write2obi:

DOne!
But i think one ivy is dominating oo

thanks Sir, lol everybody worked towords their votes. Madam beedem ESE gan.

brag3:
Thank you Sir. much appreciated.

you're welcome sir

segcymoor:
@Lastpagee.......
I pick a point in ur write up hence out of curiosity I asked this




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Have u ever come across d spiritual book called..... The Grail Message?

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Just Yes or No will suffice.. ...because I ve d reason Sir

YES Sir.
I have read it in long past



Lastpage!

Good afternoon sirs' please visit this link to help vote for a friend who's contesting for miss NL..
All you is click the link, once it's open you type " I vote Lanicky cc: nljêga "

Thanks..

EgunMogaji:


Hell has frozen.

I'll play baba Ijebu this weekend cause luck is in the air.

Wish you all the best

mavverick:
I think generalizing by saying they gave him money and went to sleep is more like a slap in the face of those affected, you do not know 100% of the facts, so its kind of wrong to say that.


What you are indirectly saying is that those not lucky to be on ground 24/7 or have time through annual leave deserve whatever they get from Bosun (and wwe wonder why the country is getting worse), now do you know this ? and the bank is foreclosing the property. I was at the estate a few weeks ago, its still for sale and no buyer.

What do they have in common, I will let you think ?
Did the couple who are in Nija also goto sleep ? It seems everybody is using Valium these days and going to sleep whenever they give Bosun a job.

Just a thought.

The way some of you here reason is appalling!

if you want to quote me, BE HONEST to at least "quote me in full" without mis-representing what l said just because you want to cast aspersions. Where did l ever said or imply that "they deserve what they got" in my post, which l quote below/

Lastpage:
Problem is, he was building for people who "gave him money and went to sleep" ( I dont blame them for that ) ....when he himself was just getting on a "steep learning curve", back then.

WHY DID YOU LEAVE OUT the part where l said "I DO NOT BLAME THEM" for doing so (meaning that it is/should be the "standard practice"?

The discuss l responded to have to do with "Brabus and Disaporeans" where some said that the reason they will keep harping on this issue, three years after is to protect Diasporeans who "might not know". FAIR ENOUGH.

So, l added that "even if you are a Diasporean and you cant monitor your job the way l do, EMPLOY a competent Supervisor ... who is not the builder and will not be in cahoots with e builder".
That is simple enough to understand

Go back and read my previous post!
I am not a careless person who writes without first reasoning and l dont dwell nor pander to emotions ,as most people here do.

If you decide to give Brabus job, MONITOR HIM closely.
If by virtue of your location you cant, pay a QUALIFIED ENGINEER a small fee, to do it on your behalf (SUPERVISION)
where is the "slap" in that?

Even me that manage my build myself, still employs an Engineer to "monitor what l do" so l dont commit blunders.
Whats difficult in that, that you dont understand and keep slapping yourself, ehn?

Abeg, park well and keep collecting your refund that we all fought for, from Brabus.
When you were negotiating with him, we were not even part of it...yet we took out the guns to make him do the right thing.
That is what they called "PRINCIPLED".


Thank you.



Lastpage!

BTW: That a building does not sell is a function of so many variables (Price attached, Location, Financial Atmosphere, e.t.c), other that poor build.
Are you telling me that Brbaus also built all those houses in Lagos that have not been sold after months of advert for Sale?
C'mmon, be realistic and stop drawing on straws
Brabus problem has been identified, analyzed and confined....
Anyone that decides to give him a job to do, should do their "due diligence".

Laveda:
Good afternoon sirs' please visit this link to help vote for a friend who's contesting for miss NL..
All you is click the link, once it's open you type " I vote Lanicky cc: nljêga "

Thanks..

laveda am scared oo

but I know we can't lose

lastpage:


I am "one" of those who believe in giving someone a second opportunity.

Infact, if not that my current build is so advanced (builder input no longer required), l would have used it to prove you guys wrong.

I am looking forward to when l will want to do another build from scratch, l will announce it here that l am using Brabus to build it.
Quote me on that, god willing.

Brabus has his issues, ...serious issues (and l have spoken repeatedly on them, even went as far as advising him "like l would do a "Blood Brother".

Three things accounted for the failure in his "PAST" Builds:

1.) His knowledge of foundations (back then) was very INADEQUATE!: He meant well but you cant give what you dont have. back then, his knowledge, compared to now was very limited!

2.) The Clients were mostly, if not all, "Diasporeans": Though this is not an excuse but his Clients have zero or very limited knowledge of Building.
They relied on Brabus' "expertise" when in actual fact, he too was just "learning as we go along" (like some other Builders here too, you can see from the way they ask or answer "technical questions".
(Abdulwastecx stands out from the crowd! he is a trained Engineer so, "No shaking".
This is where Brabus "bit more than he could chew".
He could have, at the very least, INSIST on a Soil test at all times.... and just follow the recommendations of a Structural Engineer who interprets the result


3.) Supervision was lax, if not non-existent: Again, l wont blame the Client but we are all learning! There is a reason why projects have "Consulting Supervisors" that are different from the Builder. These are Professional Engineers who are paid and mandated to ensure that "they monitor and approve" what the Builder is doing on ground. You should not allow your Builder to supervise himself. I wont.
Brabus was building without "oversight" supervision. If you cant supervise your builder, please employ a qualified person to do it for you.

The reason l am very confident that l will give him (Brabus) a job in the future, is that as "a Client", [b]l will be with him EVERYDAY of the build! That is how l do my own builds.... l monitor like hell, while "learning" at the same time
I have acquired "appreciable knowledge and experience" over time, such that even if l dont employ a seasoned Engineer as Supervisor, there is NOTHING Brabus will or can do, that l am not knowledgeable about.

I WILL TELL HIM WHAT TO DO, I WILL ENSURE HE DOES WHAT I WANT AND I WILL DO THE NECESSARY TESTS (SOIL, CONCRETE, e.t.c) to assist both of us to make a success of it.

it is a pity that the above three factors came into play, all at the same time, in Brbaus's build for his clients back then.

TODAY, in 2016, l dont think all those three factors can/should still align together... to produce the results we are referring to/discussing.
As for his "personal values"...... What you "already know" should not be able to hurt you... if you are intelligent and smart![/b]

Brabus na Ijebu, me na Ijebu, so let us see who get "sense" pass now.



So, when l say l will give my job to Brabus, l know exactly what l am saying and l am not saying it out of ignorance or sentiments.
Mind you, Brabus, like any other humanbeing, have their "strengths and weakness"
I know how to turn a "human weakness", into strength.

Thank you,



Lastpage!

BTW: I also believe anyone can reform, if they want to.
I also dont FLIP-FLOP on my relationship with anyone .... because it is ALWAYS based on PRINCIPLES, not personal sentiments.

The major problem with Brabus is thinking he will become a civil/structural engineer over night! Most of his problems are related to structures IF only he can employ a structural engineer to work with him while he concentrates on his area of core competency. Brabus is a computer guy. He may have good presentation skills but that is not enough! While presentation skill may give you jobs you need great depth and understanding to make a success of it! It is only in Nigeria that someone with limited knowledge of structures will become a builder overnight.

The first project Spyder handled in Port Harcourt, he had problems with it. He knew his limitations and called for help.

abdulwastecx:


I don't like to get involved in issues like this but Mr lastpage just summed up everything.

Building construction is a complex discipline, we keep learning everyday to improve ourself and do much better.

Some of Mr brabus' mistakes can happened to any builder here because we hardly carry out any soil test to ascertain soil engineering properties and when this soil is carried out, proper attention may not be paid to the laboratory test to determine all the parameters used for the analysis and design.

I worked for a consultancy film (briefly), they just copied and paste design without any analysis. Partly, this may be due to how low some clients are willing to pay(imagine some one paying 50 or 40k) for serious structural design of a duplex on a very poor soil.
In most cases after the soil test might have been done properly , the analysis and design may not be done properly... So you run into many problem.

I have turned down lots of job because either the design were poorly done and the owner is not willing to changed it or half way job with poorly don foundation. For example, I visited a site in warri to investigate a house that belongs to a "Nairalander '', I was shocked when I saw poorly the foundation and the first floor was,
the man wanted us to do the slab and upper floor but I turned it down. I then advice him to either convert the house to a Bungalow or demolish it because I know the house is a disaster waiting to happen.

Oga brabus has learnt one two lessons from those work as I have learned a lot from them. I have visited all those thread and look at things myself.... Learning is a continuous thing and we stop learning when we die

You are a 'professional'. If you make a mistake, your license CAN be withdrawn. That alone makes you to pay attention to details.

Brabus issues are NOT mistakes. He is dabbling into areas that he does not have the COMPETENCIES. Interests and passion does not equate to competency. What you call mistakes are 'professional negligence'.

Either Brabus get a competent civil/structural engineer to work with him OR he find something else to do! ALL his 'mistakes' are related to structural integrity of his builds.

FreeWorld23:
thanks Sir, lol everybody worked towords their votes. Madam beedem ESE gan.

OK sir