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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 4:49pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
dmcdad:Good. Messi doesn't need to win anything with Argentina to be considered greater than Ronaldo. Messi has destroyed him enough on club level. I'm basically irritated by such arguments. This is simply not true. I suspect you don't know enough of what you're talking about here so i won't address this. Maradona Argentines teammates in 86' weren't exactly crap but Messi has had much better to work with in the Argentine team and has achieved nothing currently. Maradona also had a good stint with Napoli though not as successful as Messi on club level but Messi has had far better teammates at Barcelona also. No but you need to understand the function of ''greatest'' or what it means to be called the GOAT. For instance the Brazilian team in 1970 had so many ridiculous attacking players and should have been an unbalanced side but Pele was the major factor that kept everything ticking and made everything work so flawlessly. He was that good. Maradona took albeit an average Argentine side and orchestrated almost every single attacking move and pulled the strings that kept the team ticking together until they reached the final and won the competition. Those are the elite definition of greatness. Di Stefano was an extremely good footballer and had a better club career than Maradona but Maradona is still rated ahead of him and for good reason. I think people forget the past too easily or many weren't even born then but it's no excuse to underrate great players. IMO Pele is the greatest footballer ever and i don't see that changing anytime soon. You can only beat what's in front of you and Pele was light years ahead of his time/generation. I would go to any length to prove it. Unfortunately the Copa isn't enough. A World cup trophy would go a great length and help Messi in the Maradona comparisons but with Pele it becomes a stretch too far. Let's leave it at that. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by dmcdad: 8:27pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
GBR1:Well, like you said, let's leave it at that. But honestly, we have had great players in the distant past. The likes of Pelé, Maradona, Eusebio, Johan Cruyf, Alfredo di Stefano et al were all great players. But in my own books, the only one I stack against Messi, the only obstacle I see is Pelé. This is not to say the others were whack. Nah, far from it. Just that, Pelé for me did alot regardless of what or how people see it with his closest partner in crime. But alot of other factors should also be taken into account. The tactical nature of the game today can never be overemphasised. The game has grown to be a tactical ground or rather a battle of tactics. And since I have been watching footie, I had never seen a player that was tactically marked like Messi. If you have seen, maybe you should saddle with me with it, but I have seen tactics deployed specifically against Messi and I have had nothing but pity of how he had coped thus far. Imagine when Pelé played, they played without any defensive setup like today, not to mention the goalies were ridiculously poor. Little wonder you rarely hear of any goalie of old who was great in his time. This is not to play down Pelé's achievement in any way, but to open up the fact that some other factors should also come into play. This exactly is why alot would say there is no need to compare players from different generations. The media of today is enough to kill a player's career. Media hype and all that pressure has killed lots of players. Anywayz, not going against your opinion, of course opinions are sparsely given when such matters come to the fore. Just looking at it from various perspective. Personally, I pity Messi sha. His international teammates had failed him times without number. Let's just see how they respond to tonight's game. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:31pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
Madrid fans and Messi haters right now. Waiting to bombard dis thread if Argentina loses tonight.
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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by BarcaBlood: 9:33pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
hinohsend: no dey didn't |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by hinohsend: 9:34pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
Wish the match could take place earlier,I'd definately sleep off before 1am....and tomorrow is Monday.... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by dmcdad: 10:10pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
hinohsend:Would have loved it to be earlier too because of work, but nonetheless, me go watch am wella. No dulling! |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 10:42pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
dmcdad:It's wholely your personal opinion here, nothing against that. True this; a lot of factors and involved and the game has changed a lot. And since I have been watching footie, I had never seen a player that was tactically marked like Messi. If you have seen, maybe you should saddle with me with it, but I have seen tactics deployed specifically against Messi and I have had nothing but pity of how he had coped thus far. Imagine when Pelé played, they played without any defensive setup like today, not to mention the goalies were ridiculously poor. Little wonder you rarely hear of any goalie of old who was great in his time. This is not to play down Pelé's achievement in any way, but to open up the fact that some other factors should also come into play. This exactly is why alot would say there is no need to compare players from different generations.This is a whole load of nonsense. You don't need to invent excuses for Messi not being as great as Pele. It's ridiculous even for me as a fan of Messi. I could give you excuses that players in Pele time had it much more difficult because football rules then were such that the top players were heavily fouled and a lot of tackles used then would be illegal currently. Pele literally got kicked out from a World cup due to this; He was fouled so severely that he became terribly injured and couldn't go on with the tournament. I could give even better excuses and this is a cycle that could go and on, so such stuff are quite redundant in determining greats. I told you Pele was light years ahead of his time but it seems you're in doubt and that's why you'd say this. The biggest stage is the world cup and Messi has failed to delivered there to be considered GOAT. It's the same reason folks like Di Stefano who both Pele and Maradona refer to as the best, or Platini who had excellent club career and showed amazing consistency, Cruyff who influenced football more than anyone in his time etc are not mentioned in the same breath as Pele, or even Maradona. The CL is too small a stage compared to the world cup. Regardless Pele dominated both club football and internationally. Most young people think the only reason Pele is considered above Messi is because he has 3 world cup wins which is a lot of bull crap. They simply do not know enough of him. Take your time, do some good research and study. Simply more ridiculous excuses here. It's beyond obvious that you like don't have sufficient knowledge on great players like Pele or Maradona to compare them to Messi. It's normal, it's same for most folks but Messi or modern fans are more likely to express such ignorance though because he's their favorite player and the best they've seen in their time. I saw this written on a forum by someone old enough and who i sincerely believe is an expert on the subject and i'll leave you with that. " It doesn't surprise me one bit that the farther back we go the greater the praise. It's not romanticism, it's first hand experience. Kids today idolise Messi, are open-minded about Maradona, but start getting sceptical with Pelé. My generation idolises Maradona, doesn't think Messi has anything on him, is open minded about Pelé and less comfortable with Di Stefano. Go back further and Diego is the pretender, Pelé the real deal, Di Stefano the realistic contender... and so on. It's normal and entirely a reflection of our own ignorance, nothing to do with the players or how good they really were.." |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by AbuMikey(m): 11:21pm On Jun 26, 2016 |
Baba God, abeg, make Argentina win today. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 12:58am On Jun 27, 2016 |
GBR1Is it true he won only one league title after turning 26? |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 1:00am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Its time! |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 1:23am On Jun 27, 2016 |
bykebyke:False. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 1:29am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Higuain again... One on keeper... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 1:40am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Chile are a man down now, though i think it's incredibly harsh. Argentina should go on and win this. No excuses whatsoever. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 1:49am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Messi diving |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 1:51am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Rojo red-carded... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 1:52am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Now that's not a straight red. This referee isn't very good. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 2:00am On Jun 27, 2016 |
^^^ At least you are being sincere... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:01am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Idiotic Ref Stupid Higuain. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by rozayx5(m): 2:02am On Jun 27, 2016 |
higuain world cup and now this SMH this guy will be part of Messi biography |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:04am On Jun 27, 2016 |
GBR1:That wasn't a dive,lost his footing. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:07am On Jun 27, 2016 |
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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 2:10am On Jun 27, 2016 |
bykebyke: There was contact enough... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 2:12am On Jun 27, 2016 |
coded01:That's the recent matches this ref has handled. I don't know how or why he got the finals. bykebyke:Messi knew exactly what he was doing. It was a dive and i don't even like the way he was calling for a card to be awarded against the the Chilean player who had no options in that incident. The referee saw through all that easily and Messi got booked rightfully and i think that was one of the very few decisions this referee has gotten right. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by homesteady(m): 2:22am On Jun 27, 2016 |
i dey read say Hugauin don dey miss chances again? |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by homesteady(m): 2:37am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Higuaín’s miss is clinical, worthy of the world’s best surgeons. I am convinced he does it on purpose. It’s methodical, almost too precise. from twitter. Let Argentina just lose first, the thunder that would strike that Hugauin would be high on a mixture of ibo and dogon yaro |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:37am On Jun 27, 2016 |
homesteady:One on One with Bravo...The bastard went to chip his life away. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 2:41am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Great to see di Maria and higuain out... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by coded01: 2:41am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Aguero coming in is great... |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:42am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Argentina..sighs. |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 2:49am On Jun 27, 2016 |
This Argentina final script is getting old o If you wanna lose the final,lose it in the 90minutes and not during extra time jor,you people think I don't have sleep to sleep? |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by GBR1(m): 2:55am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Aguero FFS |
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 3:06am On Jun 27, 2016 |
Messi not really passing to his teammates again. Lost faith in them. |
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