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Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 8:01pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
analice107: Suprisingly I've been on threads where muslims make this same claim that atheist and christians are always ganging up to fight against Islam. You guys always have the same strategy. Trying to play the victim card and say everybody is against you. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 8:06pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
winner01: How does a person not believing in the Jesus story or the Jewish stories in the OT make his/her life pointless? So because I refuse to believe that some imaginary idea created by some ancient people which says that some God sacrificed himself unto himself to forgive humans for the defect he himself allegedly created means my life isn't meaningful? Is your life meaningless because you refuse to accept the Hindu religious stories? What about the life of the muslim? Is it usless because he refuses to accept your own stories and thinks you are a fool for accepting and believing them? 3 Likes |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by ritababe(f): 8:26pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
analice107: maybe he prefer the seven virgins |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by octopusfreaky(f): 8:27pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Seun:Sir, you always on religious thread wanting to argue over oda religions. I advice you stick to the religion you believe in or are trying to gather followers.I dont get Sir. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 8:48pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
You guys here are talking about proof that he rose from the dead, based off a book that has talking snakes, men walking on water (maybe by utilising chakra control lol), and magical fires. Meanwhile, science is coming closer to proving that Jesus might not have even existed. . . The romans were known to be highly articulate and organised people and in ALL government records from that time, there is NOT ONE mention of this magical man ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by factorial1(m): 8:59pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
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Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by factorial1(m): 8:59pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
I believe Mr. Seun was not born an atheist. One thing or the other might have led to that..probably life challenges. As much as I like him, I'm beginning to know some things about him. I think your full name is OLUWAseun if I'm correct. What could have led to your atheistic belief sir? |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 9:07pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman:what else did you expect |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 9:09pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Gosh , this comment is suffused with ignorance and delusion . A gallimaufry of vacuous thoughts . Eeew ! |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 9:15pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman: Here he goes with his threadbare arguments . This has been dealt with before not once not twice . Its like repeating this same opinion is your hobby , sorry for attempting to deprive you of the joy you derive from it |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 9:23pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: You have never shown me how dis believing in the Jesus stories make life pointless. Is the life of a muslim pointless because he disbelieves in your God stories? You believe all muslims will end up in hell because they refuse to accept your Jesus stories. Is their earthly life pointless as a result of their unbelief? 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija:I'd like you to: Delusion: belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by a rational argument Where is the 'delusion' in my comment? Rather you should give me a rational explanation for talking snakes so you can show me that you are not deluded, because judging by your comment, it appears that you believe in that. Ignorance: lack of knowledge or information. From my comment, I said he MIGHT not have existed, as I have been reading up on this issue. Here's a link: http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed Don't use words that you dont know the meaning of please. I consider myself an agnostic humanist, not sure whether to believe in god or not, but believe that love for our fellow human being can be achieved without any religion. If you are ready to have a meaningful discussion with me, say so. If not, bye. 2 Likes |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 9:37pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Oh look ! ... Another pleb I have to engage in a logomachy with . The preponderance of evidence for Christ's existence is so overwhelming - that serves as the "rational argument " - the only contentious thing about Christ's life was his marital status . A Harvard professor just recently revealed the truth => https://www.nairaland.com/3187004/wow-harvard-professor-reveals-truth . And please when you are adducing articles to support your claims , let them be from credible sources . Thank you ![]() |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 9:57pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman: First Winner01 said : Maybe he should tell us why anybody needs to believe anything since life is ultimately pointless. He simply wants to know the point of believing if life is pointless . You can make other rational deductions like what is the point of atheism or recanting a religious belief when life has no purpose . Now to your senseless rant , the pantheists believe that the universe exists for itself, without cause or purpose. Nothing existed before it that could have been its cause. Nothing exists outside it that could be the source of its purpose. I believe you atheists subscribe to this show of ignorance and close-mindeness But the religious people understand that life has a purpose and the purpose of life can only be from its creator . All religious people be it Christian , Muslim or whatever believe that life has a purpose and things happen for different reasons known to the creator . The disparity in our beliefs does not rule out the fact that life has a purpose . |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 10:06pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: Why is life purposeless for an atheist? I as an atheist simply disbelief in God but I don't believe that life is purposeless. Purpose in life depends on what you make of it. An atheist can be a humanist that itself is a purpose. He can be a hedonist, it is also a purpose. Saying that atheistism equates to life being purposeless is IDIOTIC. An ISIS Militant believes that Allah commands him to kill infidels like you. Is his life without purpose? Stop talking foolishly. Recieve sense my brother. 2 Likes |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Nobody: 10:11pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija:First off, you don't "have to". . . Also, as there is reason to believe Christ existed, as well as reason to believe he didn't. The link I sent to you states some possible reasons he might not have existed, and I was expecting you to bring forth some arguments to show me why those reasons aren't meaningful. I'm actually here to listen so for now can we respect ourselves and have a discussion if you're interested? The link you sent to me is just talking about a forged document, thats not what I'm talking about. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 10:44pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: Is the author of the article disputing Christ's existence as a witness during that period of time ? No . The site is not a credible one and whatever arguments that were made are only thoughts from someone ignorant . There are also sites that claim Christ is someone from a higher civilization - a hybrid of human and alien - with their own reasons too . If I have to pay attention to your source , I'd do same to those Christ-is-an-alien-hybrid sites too . Those ones even agree that he did exist though . |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Scholar8200(m): 10:45pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman:Inspiration is not the endowment of man with omniscience. It is God through man inspite of the frailty and infirmities of the latter. Hence details left off by Mark is supplied by Matthew etc in agreement with the One Body perspective in the NT. And were the disciples persecuted for a fiction? Martyred for spreading a fiction? And myriads of people have believed and are still believing this 'Fiction' and they are being gloriously transformed even at present? Finding its promises continually and blessedly true (now you and your ilks may blaspheme to lowest hell but it changes nothing of what I know here!!!) Well stay high up in the tower your ''higher knowledge'' places you, Blessed be the 'Fiction that revealed Jesus to me, was and is still being attested to as the only Book that transforms instantaneously! I'd rather remain in this despised place with this Blessed 'Fiction' than be confered a high and dry, ego-feeding but soul damning, grandiloquent but empty tower of vain superiority! 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by KingEbukaNaija: 10:51pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman: Lol brother dalaman , brother dalaman , why the blatant show of disingeniousness ? I am talking of the general purpose of life - why the universe exists in the first place . You are just narrowing it down to personal lives of people and what they choose to make of it - we christians discuss about that you know , knowing God's plan or purpose for your life . Apparently the atheists subscribe to the pantheist's view of a purposeless universe . Sit down and cogitate on these things , what's the purpose of anything , why do I keep denying God's existence because he does not fit into my definitions etc |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 11:04pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: The person that is disingenuous is actually you. You seem to try to force this narrative of yours that the life of atheist is pointless. Many atheist hold different beliefs when it comes to the purpose of life. As for the purpose of God's plan, that also varies from.religion to religion. Me I don't believe in any God but I still have purpose to live and enjoy myself. That I believe that death ends it all doesn't mean my life is without purpose. Purpose in life depends on what you make of it. As for creation of the earth and universe as a whole. I do not know has always been.my position. What is the purpose of the universe? Your answer will differ from that of a Hindu or buddisht. Life's purpose is what ever you make of it that is why different religions have different states purpose of life. Being an atheist doesn't mean you see.life as pointless. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by Image123(m): 11:32pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Seun: Superb, very true, verily accurate. Though i asked you a good question but you refused or could not answer. Did it really happen, though? Let's look at the evidence. Your OP seems to be based on ONLY biblical evidence for the resurrection. In that case, your context is skewed. The Biblical narration of the resurrection was not primarily written to convince UNBELIEVERS, it was written to believers. No much wonder that believers believe it, fulfilling its purpose. On Jesus and TB, that is a huge miss, they do not compare in any form or sphere. TB is controversial, well so are many entertainers. TB is sometimes unconventional, but not in the Christlike sense. TB's miracle ministry is suspect by many, Jesus miracle ministry was a major headache to His antagonists and clear to all. So also were His teachings and prophecy. Do not just imagine that TB died. Also get in the fact that Jesus had been drumming it into everyone's ears clearly that He would die and would RISE AGAIN on the third day. Soldiers were at the grave of Jesus and the place was blocked with a huge stone and sealed by the governor. Also, the women went to the disciples, not to unbelievers/sinners. The disciples were said to have gone to the grave and CONFIRMED what they were told. Jesus later went on to appear to these same disciples confirming what the women had said to them. Luke's Gospel, written about 10 years later, describes the same incident thus: This is not unsual, that is the number discrepancy. The main message and point is not lost or altered. That is the fact that Christ resurrected, they were informed of this at the empty grave, and went to tell His disciples. Note that the account was penned down by two different people. Even in cases of same person, we do not tell a story/event the same way after a while. Not because we want to deceive or distort, that is just human nature for you. The gospel accounts were written decades after the event. i cannot even give such accuracy of detail about things that happened before my eyes last year, so what? Does that mean it did not happen, of course not. 2. Appearing To His Closest Followers The Bible does not say that the disciples had sold all their possessions. Yes they made a lot of consecration, and they were very depressed and demoralised as it is clearly written. It takes a lot of smartness, toughness, cunning, and deceit for them to bring up a genius idea of the resurrection. The resurrection BTW was something well known to all that heard Jesus, including the rulers of the Jews. It wasn't an Einstein idea Matthew drummed up during mourning. Also, the disciples were good people, people who preached and lived integrity, holiness, truth, honesty. People who wrote about their own shortcomings. They are not the kind of people that would come up with such a lie. Not by class, not by character. At least, there are things that if they tell me that Seun did, i should be able to say it is possible or say impossible. We all know the life of the disciples and their Christlike teachings even more. 3. His Appearance To 500 Believers Again, Jesus told all His disciples to meet Him in Galilee, where it is believed that He ascended before them. This is believed to be the time when around 500 people were there. Nothing strange in this. Conclusion: People do not have reasons to lie that dead people are alive. i have never in my life met any such person. How many such person have you met, Seun? On what faith do you believe that people have EVERY reason to lie that a dead person is not dead? They went everywhere saying it. From Jerusalem to Judea to Samaria and other parts of the world. Nobody could dispute it. They were imprisoned and killed, and nobody came to confess or contradict the so called well planned lie. And these peasant men's lies is believed for over 2016 years by people of all ages, race and calibre? Oh common, think, are you not supposed to be the thinkers here? 7 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by SirDavico(m): 11:55pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
dalaman: Nonsense! The bible is inspired of God.....have u seen how it accurately predicted world events long before they happened? Take the fall of Babylon for example. The bible predicted That king Cyrus would be the one to capture Babylon. Also, the bible foretold that no one would ever inhabit the land of Babylon after it's destruction. What do we see today? About 60miles south of Baghdad, the land of Babylon lays in total ruins. Not a soul lives there....so never u again say the bible is a mere fiction. That a laughable insinuation! Forgive my errors in typing, if any. I hope u get my point. PEACE. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by bolt000(m): 11:56pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Wow! Cant Believe I Am Just Coming Across This Thread Now. My Own 2cents; To The Christians On Here: If Lets All Agree That Jesus Rose, Lest Not Forget That When He Allegedy Later Saw Thomas And He Showed Him The Holes In His Hands From The Crucification We Were Told That Thomas Hand Went Right Through Jesus's And Then It Was Mentioned That Jesus Could "walk through walls", which brings about my question; why was the tomb stone rolled all just to prove the point that jesus was no longer in there, couldnt he just walked right through the tomb stone, and how was he able to dine? Cc Seun. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by bolt000(m): 12:07am On Jun 29, 2016 |
SirDavico:You Know What Inspiration Means Right? I Hope You Know You Just Supported His Statement?! Peace. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by SirDavico(m): 12:14am On Jun 29, 2016 |
bolt000: Inspiration means different things to different people |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by bolt000(m): 12:16am On Jun 29, 2016 |
SirDavico:Please I Would Like To Know Your Own Definition? |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 12:20am On Jun 29, 2016 |
SirDavico: That passage about Cyrus was written long after it happened. It's very easy to predict things accurately after they have happened already. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by SirDavico(m): 12:28am On Jun 29, 2016 |
dalaman: Pls what's ur proof it was written after it happened? Be precise. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by SirDavico(m): 12:31am On Jun 29, 2016 |
bolt000: Controlled by a force beyond your understanding In this case, the holy spirit. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by bolt000(m): 12:42am On Jun 29, 2016 |
SirDavico:Lol.. Please Stop Contradicting Yourself And Just Agree That He Had A Well Justified Arguement. Like He Said The Bible Might Be A Story. You Only Went Ahead To Give Him Support That The Inspiration Behind The Made Up Story Is "The Holy Spirit" Lol.. You Are Funny. |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by SirDavico(m): 12:56am On Jun 29, 2016 |
bolt000: Am I funny?? I don't think so signor.... If u don't believe in the divinity of the bible...fine! |
Re: The Evidence For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by dalaman: 4:23am On Jun 29, 2016 |
Scholar8200: More emotional outburst over nothing . The stories of Jesus discipline being killed for their beliefs came much later by the founding fathers in order to strengthen the faith of the believers. Even at that many people still kill themselves and get themselves killed over lies and fiction. All these ISIS militants and muslim terrorist that kill themselves or get themselves killed and martyred are doing it over what? Are they doing it over the truth? 4 Likes |
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