ViceAdmiral:

Namibian SF received atleast 1

Apparently you guys have the 1 for test and evaluation.

giles14:
but oga Henry dat pf2 need extensive improvement n modification.

d Israeli model looks pretty appealing dan d pf2

It's exact same vehicle. A colour change and a change in black tires, and that's it.


The Air Force or military as a whole could decide to shed some armour, that's it.


We have and build a better vehicle yet we choose to buy from abroad. It's incomprehensible, i can't quite understand the rationale behind the purchase of the Honker, when there is the PF Leopard.

frumentius:
For Henry, who's finally seen the light and recognises the utility of these vehicles . Perhaps these are the future projects ICP mentions?

Introducing the REVA Scout (mhhh...OTT Hunter?).

The Reva Scout looks like the OTT Puma was completely plagiarized.


The Reva Fav is more like it, however Nigerian companies make similar vehicles, so i really don't see the requirement to import.

Henry240:


It's exact same vehicle. A colour change and a change in black tires, and that's it.


The Air Force or military as a whole could decide to shed some armour, that's it.


We have and build a better vehicle yet we choose to buy from abroad. It's incomprehensible, i can't quite understand the rationale behind the purchase of the Honker, when there is the PF Leopard.

dere are similar yes I agree with you, but are there desame I say no.
jst lik our igirigi d prototype and the final product are different.

compare d outward design and layout of the two vehicles dere are totally different.

Now this is regional hegemon-like. Here's hoping Nigeria's military's will never be allowed to deteriorate to such levels.

frumentius:
...And the REVA FAV!

Maybe one day our pathfinders will receive such a vehicle.

Henry240:


It's exact same vehicle. A colour change and a change in black tires, and that's it.


The Air Force or military as a whole could decide to shed some armour, that's it.


We have and build a better vehicle yet we choose to buy from abroad. It's incomprehensible, i can't quite understand the rationale behind the purchase of the Honker, when there is the PF Leopard.

1 THE PRICE : the honkers cound be a second hand that served Polish Army for some time but still look new cos they were never heavilly used the could be bought at very low price.

2 The Honker's off-road performance and reliablity looks better.thus reducing the oprational cost.it looks lighter and better in manuverblity and mobility

giles14:
dere are similar yes I agree with you, but are there desame I say no.
jst lik our igirigi d prototype and the final product are different.

compare d outward design and layout of the two vehicles dere are totally different.

Not different, Just a little design change.

chinese8107:


1 THE PRICE : the honkers cound be a second hand that served Polish Army for some time but still look new cos they were never heavilly used the could be bought at very low price.

2 The Honker's off-road performance and reliablity looks better.thus reducing the oprational cost.it looks lighter and better in manuverblity and mobility

- I spotted one up-close just this week. They are new deliveries.


- The Proforce leopard is built on a Land-cruiser chassis, armour can be taken away to reduce weight, improve reliability and manuverability.

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frumentius:
Now this is regional hegemon-like. Here's hoping Nigeria's military's will never be allowed to deteriorate to such levels.

for any region or regional organization to progress there must be an hegemon somewhere dictating the state of things. the Warsaw fell with the fall of soviet Russia, we are gradually witnessing the fall of the eu, The EAC fell when Uganda and Tanzania effectively checked Kenyan Hegemony. ecowas would fail without a strong Nigeria. and if ecowas fails, then what hope do we have for regional co-operation in Africa?

overhypedsteve:
for any region or regional organization to progress there must be an hegemon somewhere dictating the state of things. the Warsaw fell with the fall of soviet Russia, we are gradually witnessing the fall of the eu, The EAC fell when Uganda and Tanzania effectively checked Kenyan Hegemony. ecowas would fail without a strong Nigeria. and if ecowas fails, then what hope do we have for regional co-operation in Africa?

I suspect you misunderstood me. It's precisely because Nigeria is a West African hegemon that her military should never again be allowed to deteriorate to the point where troops are jerry-rigging MGs in choppers for want of proper mounts.

Henry240:


- I spotted one up-close just this week. They are new deliveries.


- The Proforce leopard is built on a Land-cruiser chassis, armour can be taken away to reduce weight, improve reliability and manuverability.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3902650_wp001406_jpeg17133030bcafb6204e75de1ba8f669e3
Is this the pf leopard? looks bad on off-road performance.look at the Approach and Departure Angles
Yes armour can be taken away,but if you do that there is nothing different than a land-cuiser pick-up.They would rather use land-cruiser.

frumentius:


I suspect you misunderstood me. It's precisely because Nigeria is a West African hegemon that her military should never again be allowed to deteriorate to the point where troops are jerry-rigging MGs in choppers for want of proper mounts.

You're making an issue over a non-issue. That MG was only a temporary fix, so as we have seen. None of NAF's available Puma's are rigged with MGs.

chinese8107:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3902650_wp001406_jpeg17133030bcafb6204e75de1ba8f669e3
Is this the pf leopard? looks bad on off-road performance.look at the Approach and Departure Angles
Yes armour can be taken away,but if you do that there is nothing different than a land-cuiser pick-up.They would rather use land-cruiser.

If it isn't used, you'll never be able to ascertain for certain, photos do not tell the full story.

chinese8107:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3902650_wp001406_jpeg17133030bcafb6204e75de1ba8f669e3
Is this the pf leopard? looks bad on off-road performance.look at the Approach and Departure Angles
Yes armour can be taken away,but if you do that there is nothing different than a land-cuiser pick-up.They would rather use land-cruiser.

The PF leopard is also similar to the Saymar from Israel.

Henry240:


The PF leopard is also similar to the Saymar from Israel.

if Proforce have to offer "kola" to procurement board to get this beauty into service,make dem do sharpaly

chinese8107:


Is this the pf leopard? looks bad on off-road performance.look at the Approach and Departure Angles
.

Why would that be a problem seeing that Henry wanted it for the air base protection mission currently undertaken by the imported ageing Honker?

I'm with Henry on this one: assuming there's no massive price difference, base protection vehicles for the Nigerian Air Force ideally should be the local product. Hell, even Poland is phasing out its Honkers.

frumentius:


I suspect you misunderstood me. It's precisely because Nigeria is a West African hegemon that her military should never again be allowed to deteriorate to the point where troops are jerry-rigging MGs in choppers for want of proper mounts.

thanks for the clarifications. it would cost little improvisation to place that thing on a proper mount. but I believe there is little time for that those choppers were sent straight into the heat of battle from when they arrived.

frumentius:


Why would that be a problem seeing that Henry wanted it for the air base protection mission currently undertaken by the imported ageing Honker?

wanting is one thing
but testing is another thing.
just my guessing.as I said the off-road permormance may not be good

many tough tests must be done for a militray vheicle.there are many videos online. eg . how US Army test Humvee (hummer)or Jeep

http://m.ok.ru/video/1942750519
http://m.ok.ru/video/75302202


http://m.ok.ru/video/4865393947

Im back Bitches!

Been celebrating BREXIT with a Vacation in Taiwan

I spent yesterday lying on a beach in Hualien while F16s landed right behind me

Best day ever

Henry240:


You're making an issue over a non-issue. That MG was only a temporary fix, so as we have seen. None of NAF's available Puma's are rigged with MGs.

the point frum was making is that it should never deteriorate to the point of "quick fixes" or of new equipment being rushed into combat

nemesis2u:
if you guys visit south Korea you will find corruption but the thing is their corruption is not self bleeding , its more like you take 1% you take 2% as commissions but get the work done within the prescribed norms and quality standards and within the budget.

it not like free for all , they are very industrious and self disciplined and have a curious social and workplace hierarchy , nobody says or does things out of his place, very highly organized society in-spite of certain faults (1 or 2 actually which is surprising )

This

As you know I spent a year in Korea working for HHI

Corruption is real and obvious, But its soft Corruption like nepotism or collusion between the Chaebols (super corporations that hold monopoly over the Korean economy)

But like you said - a contract goes out to build a road, maybe you pay some extra "consulting fees" maybe the contract goes to a politicians son in law maybe all sub contracts go to companies owned by the same chaebol.. But the road is still built on time and to spec

frumentius:
For Henry, who's finally seen the light and recognises the utility of these vehicles . Perhaps these are the future projects ICP mentions?

Introducing the REVA Scout (mhhh...OTT Hunter?).

Would love to see a light inf battalion outfitted with these

a version with less armament Would be great for OP Corona

chinese8107:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3902650_wp001406_jpeg17133030bcafb6204e75de1ba8f669e3
Is this the pf leopard? looks bad on off-road performance.look at the Approach and Departure Angles
Yes armour can be taken away,but if you do that there is nothing different than a land-cuiser pick-up.They would rather use land-cruiser.

for AF security around bases it Would be fine

Henry240:


The PF leopard is also similar to the Saymar from Israel.

wot a cool design btw d saymar vehicle and the proforce vehicle which one will u go for, putting aside patriotism N lov for your nation.

truth be told d pf2 has a poor design

[img]http://defence.pk/attachments/img_20160630_194028-jpg.314801/[/img]

off topic
can anyone identify this missile.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3902650_wp001406_jpeg17133030bcafb6204e75de1ba8f669e3

me thinks the vehicle is ok, good all around protection, but i am worried about the ground pressure the tires could be broader or better still another pair of wheels at the back to reduce sinking. i have seen Russians do this to heavier vehicles.
definitely doable .
an in-house product is better than cheap foreign imports , u can always get your in house manufacturer to upgrade and fix it as many times as u want.

giles14:
wot a cool design btw d saymar vehicle and the proforce vehicle which one will u go for, putting aside patriotism N lov for your nation.

truth be told d pf2 has a poor design

I don't see much difference between the two apart from the tires. PF2 is the first of it kind from proforce and am sure subsequent once would have a better look with tire replacement for proper off road use.

nemesis2u:
[img]http://defence.pk/attachments/img_20160630_194028-jpg.314801/[/img]

off topic
can anyone identify this missile.

patriot missile

realnas:
patriot missile

wrong

hint product of joint venture