vedaxcool:
Iran was ordered by a U.S. judge to pay more than $10.5 billion in damages to families of people killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and to a group of insurers.
U.S. District Judge George Daniels in New York issued a default judgment Wednesday against Iran for $7.5 billion to the estates and families of people who died at the World Trade Center and Pentagon. It includes $2 million to each estate for the victims’ pain and suffering plus $6.88 million in punitive damages.
Daniels also awarded $3 billion to insurers including Chubb Ltd. that paid property damage, business interruption and other claims.
Earlier in the case, Daniels found that Iran had failed to defend claims that it aided the Sept. 11 hijackers and was therefore liable for damages tied to the attacks. Daniels’s ruling Wednesday adopts damages findings by a U.S. magistrate judge in December. While it is difficult to collect damages from an unwilling foreign nation, the plaintiffs may try to collect part of the judgments using a law that permits parties to tap terrorists’ assets frozen by the government.
The case is In Re Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001, 03-cv-09848, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-10/iran-told-to-pay-10-5-billion-to-sept-11-kin-insurers

AlBaqir:
^ShiaMuslim, Is he new to you? In fact you've used the best sentences to describe him:
...blinded by bigotry wouldn't make you reason. You are destined to die in ignorance and always active to conceal and deny the truth.

vedaxcool:
more on their rules of engagements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa0i3fak3xI
very graphic content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIK7kPdZc9w
According to the fanatical shiites on this board the children murdered are terrorist or playing mel gibson it is all acting none of this is real. Allah will bring you all to account since you defend blood spilling and unjustified killing. The Syrian war exposed the true face of the decievers in Tehran and their blood hound hezboshaytan who used to be viewed positively till we note that like Israel they will destroy whole cities and kill countless generations to perpetuate their wordly pursuits. May Allah hasten the destruction of those who are destroying the umma. amin

Demmzy15:


Shias are in saudi arabia, when last did you hear that they're being killed? When? In fact almost all of those executed are extremist Al Qaeda members, last time they executed was with Nimr and majority of those with him were Sunni Al Qaeda extremists. Please for the sake of Allaah, don't play that "he didn't opposed the Royal family" card here because it's weak! [/font]

Demmzy15:
[font=serif]Did the Kuwaiti researcher ever claim he was a Wahabi/Salafi for him to claim ISIS/Al Qaeda are Wahabis? Why don't you present videos and Fatwas from Salafi/Wahabi scholars themselves?

Newnas:
yes, most of these shia sects are apostates.
Which other adjective do you have to qualify a people who:

# Curse the companions and call them apostates and fabricators

# Believe that the Quran has been distorted by the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum.

# Go to graveyards and pray to the dead seeking help and assistance.

# Disbelieve in any hadith that goes against the principles of their misguidance

# believe that some set of people are more virtuous than the messengers Alyhimussalam
And many more.

AlBaqir:
^If the Wahabi Imam is in error based on his clear fact that ISIS etc adopted word for word, effect for effect the fatawa in the Salafi books, then I simply expect you to denounce all the cursed fatawa of Ibn Taymiyyah that we have exposed in this thread ( I bet you want to read them properly now) rather than derailing as usual.

ShiaMuslim:


Obviously you do not follow the news from the oil rich and majority Shia eastern region of Saudi. There are teenagers presently on the death row for protesting.

Leave, protest. Talk about employment, Shia are discriminated against. Wahhabi imams in Shia mosques! Shia saudia are not allowed to be headmasters in schools. No government posts. Raise an ashura banner and stand to face trouble.

Of course they don't go about killing them openly because they consider them as "conquered" and "defeated" group under their hegemony and directives. The moment they gain freedom or secede their fate will be that of the Iraqis after the fall of the Sunni dictator Saddam.

The same Saudi you're defending sent troops to kill peaceful Shia protesters in Bahrain demanding their human rights. Bahrain is majority Shia ruled by a Sunni despot.

The same Saudi is killing Yemeni children.

You're deceiving yourself. Those terrorists in Iraq are not salafists, they are Buddhists! I really don't even know why we are arguing on this matter.

The holy city of medina alone has an indigenous population of more than 200,000 Shia known as Nakhawilah (named after their trade of palm dates). Do you expect the Saudi govt to commit genocidein this age? Or do you want them to spread targeted killings of Saudi Shia and paint a picture that Saudi is unstable and security is problematic? They will not undermine their rule but will put measures in place to continue their persecution.

Demmzy15:

Well I don't know about that, for years now since Saudi Arabia has been executing, most of those executed are Sunnis. Especially Al Qaeda members, in fact the last time they executed with Nimr Al Nimr, he was the only Shia with 47 other Sunni Al Qaeda terrorists. Go to Iraan and see how Sunnis are killed, the Ahwaz Arabs(even though they're majority Shia) are persecuted maybe because many are accepting Sunnism,who knows?

Come on, this is not true, one fact is that Shias in Saudi Arabia are better off than Sunnis in Iran. The Sunnis are not even represented in government even though they supported the Revolution, as you also know, they're no Sunni mosque in Tehran whereas Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians all have their place of worship, Sunnis don't have a mosque!

In Saudi Arabia, only high offices and important appointments are under the control of royal family, king Abdul Aziz; while for lower posts nationality is the only required point not sect like Shia and Sunni. There are five Shia members in “Selective Chamber” or Consultative Council of Saudi Arabia among 150 members, can the same be said about Sunnis in Iraan? even till recent time, the chief of police in Medina Munawwarah was a Shiite citizen. The Saudi ambassador in the Iranian capital, Tehran and Saudi Consul in Mashhad, the second largest Iranian city, were Saudi Shiites.

Lol, King Abdulaziz Al Saud, the founder of modern saudi arabia, when confronted by this soldiers to go forcefully convert Shias. He stopped it and in fact encouraged the Shias to continue with their stuffs. This was one of the reasons he fought against the "Ikhwaan" because they were too zealous and extreme.

Do you honestly want to use Bahrain as an example? Do you really know what this so-called peaceful protesters did to Sunni citizens, expatriates and students? How many Sunnis were burnt alive? Do you that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38TPcdT5Rms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsC7a-kKuM

In this above video, the peaceful protesters invaded schools looking for innocent Sunnis, in which they beat them up to the point of death. They then carry them to hospitals and give them final touch, look closely you'll see injured Sunnis tied up and beaten by Shia male and female nurses, is that what you call peaceful protest?

No doubt innocents are going to be killed, but are you seriously going to blame saudi for this one? A group of rebels overthrow the legitimately elected government backed by a foreign power and you expect the government of Yemen to sit back and watch things happen without getting help? Let's say the Niger Delta militants take over Nigeria with the help of Cameroon, do you think Nigeria's allies would sit and watch? Obviously not, they'll come to her aid, and that's exactly what saudi did for the legitimate government of Yemen. Besides, the Houthis are the main cause for the suffering of the Yemeni people!

If possible, they might be Buddhists in disguise who want to cause discourse in Iraaq. Even when they took over Mosul, they executed many of the salafi/Wahabi brothers there, in fact the consider the Wahabis to be more dangerous than the Shia, this was why they sent suicide bombers to blow up saudi soldiers in Mosques.
If they didn't kill or massacre Shias when they had the power to during the time of King Abdulaziz(he in fact protected them), why would they now? Look at Iran for instance, when Khomeini had power, he killed many Sunni Kurds, after accusing them of antinationalist,but Al Saud never did this.

ShiaMuslim:


oga, abeg dey talk wetin you sabi. no dey talk wetin u no know, and be beating around the bush with ridiculous guesses. Ahwazi Arabs are mainly Shia. this goes to show that the executions in Iran are not sectarian motivated. people from all over the countries who threaten the republic are punished. regardless of sectarian or ethnic identity. the supreme leader is not persian. he is from the minority azeri ethnic group.

those you call "Sunnis" were not killed in Saudi because they are Sunni or out of sectarian persecution. they were killed because they threatened the rule of Al Saud royal family. Nimr al-Nimr was killed by saudi because of these speeches rejecting sectarian persecution and oppression:

you are either speaking out of ignorance or out of malice to spread lies.

in Iran, there are no Sunni or Shia mosques. there are MASJIDS. this has been clarified by the government. they do not want the confusion existing in Pakistan to happen in Iran. in pakistan, within one street you find a Shia mosque, a Sunni Sufi mosque, a Sunni Wahhabi mosque etc.

in Iran there is a rule. in a locality where the majority are Sunnis, a Sunni leads the prayer and Shia pray behind him. where the Shia are majority, the Shia leads the prayer and Sunni pray behind him. that is the end of the story.

your lie that Shias are better off in Saud than Sunnis are in Iran is funny. you gave instances Iran executes Shias. there is no persecution against Sunnis. you have lied Sunnis are not represented in government. but you know, Sunnis are domineering and anywhere they want to dominate even where they are minority or else they claim "persecution". [s]its ongoing in Iraq. the president is Sunni, the VP Sunni, depuuty PM Sunni, speaker of parliament Sunni...but yet, they claim Prime Minister Maliki persecuted them. is there one minister in Saudi that is Shia? lie lie! [/s]

5 members of the shura council out of 150 is 3.3% representation. there are 15-25% Shia in Saudi Arabia.

in Iran out of 290 members in parliament, there are 18 Sunnis. that is over 6%. Sunnis in Iran are between 5-8%. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

please provide your source where you read that the saudi ambassador to iran is Shia.

if you say the consul in the holy city of Mashad is Shia, i may believe because Mashad is a pilgrimage city that mostly Shia visit. and saudi shias go there too. a wahhabi wouldnt want to be facilitating "shirk", you know?

my dear uncle, who left arabia all the way to iraq to ransack the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala, and in the process destroy the tomb of Imam Ali (as), and the tomb of the Prophet's grandson Imam Hussein (as)? the founder himself was said to have been killed by a Saudi Shia in revenge for those attacks which also left thousands massacred. dont come and feed us lies here.

stop lying. the bahraini revolution is relatively peaceful. it is not violent. do not come tell me burning of tyres, molotov and using stones and sticks is violence at the level of a revolution. go siddon abeg.

the second video started by distorting the words of Ayatollah Modaressi. the violence and confrontation the cleric is talking about is of the government and what they use against peaceful civilians. not that he is saying the people should use violence. he is saying that is the language of violence the govt in bahrain use and not dialogue with the people.

most of the Sunni population in bahrain are naturalized bahrainis. they are Sunnis imported from other countries, including non-arabic countries, to change bahrain's demography. why dont you think that so called student was beaten for something he did? how have died in bahrain since 2011? how did the govt kill? how many did protesters kill? the excuse for the civil war in syria is that syrian army killed protesters. so sunni terrorists from all around the world converged on syria to fight the govt of assad. imagine if that would have happened in bahrain after the govt crackdown. the bahraini shia who form 70-80% of the population are having their countries given to foreigners. just like the palestinians saw european jews take over palestine. its an occupation. and those foreigners are legitimate target. they are illegal occupier and land thieves.

help of a foreign power? you mean iran is helping houthis. ok. let the saudis help the govt. mind you the yemeni are on whose side? on the houthi side. why? iran did not send its army to bomb yemen, saudi did.

the president of yemen resigned and then rescind his resignation after saudi incited him to ask for military help to bomb his people.

today saudi foreign minister said the houthis are not terrorists and they part of yemeni society and they are his brothers!

so after a useless war that has killed thousands of innocent people and achieved nothing else, the saudis are negotiating with the houthis in kuwait. do you see sense in the saudi actions? your analogy is wrong. houthis were part of the yemeni govt and in parliament.

your analogy is wrong. houthis were part of the yemeni govt and in parliament.

you talk rubbish wallahi. you sound very stupid and it really hurts i am wasting my time to reply. you make baseless claims. wahhabis will kill themselves once they pass takfir on each other. i already gave the example of al nusra and isis in syria. they have no respect for difference of opinion even among themselves, be it political or religious difference of opinion.

why i feel annoyed and using those terms is because you are either too ignorant or too much of a liar.

saddam was a sunni and he too killed the kurds who are mainly sunnis. the kurdish isssue is not sectarian or sunni-shia. it is ethnic.

saddam was an Sunni arab nationalist. saddam used chemical weapon to gas the kurds in the massacre of halabja. the kurds are divided along the borders of four countries. turkey is majority sunni and led by a sunni govt and they are killing kurds.

do you think you are talking to an illiterate for you to tell me that iran is fighting kurdish insurgents because they are sunni? you must really think i am an illiterate. do you know that in iran and iraq there is a high percentage among kurds who are shia? the problem is ethnic. not religious or sectarian.

Demmzy15:

Nothing concerns me with where your Ayatollah is from, there's an awakening among the Ahwaz Arabs. Many of them are converting to Sunnis, something the Iranian regime can't take, they've decided to arrest and persecute this people.
http://www.ahwazhumanrights.org/en/stories/291
The main reason why they're harassed is because they're reverting back to Sunni Islam. Wikipedia states something similar:
There has also been many arrests of Ahwazi Arabs who have converted to Sunni Islam, which is considered a crime in Iran.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahwazi_Arabs

Are you kidding me? So you'll go to the extent to defend Al Qaeda members and criminals just because you want to malign the Sauds. You're amazing, I must confess!
These are rapists and murderers but you defend them because it's in saudi arabia.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-beheads-two-rapists-murderer-131603911.html?ref=gs
-Adel Al-Dhubaiti an Al Qaeda member was executed earlier this year for killing an Irish cameraman and wounding others, but he's an hero to you because it was in saudi arabia.
-Faris Al-Zaharani also an Al Qaeda affiliated militant who attacked the US consul in Jeddah in which security guards lost their lives was executed but he's an hero to you because it's in saudi arabia.
Wait, let's say for the sake of an argument that they're against the Royal family, in Ahl Sunnah, you aren't allowed to revolt against the leaders. I hope it's the same with Shiaism.
Chai, dar is God o!

You're the one who's spreading lies due to your strong head, you no dey hear word at all.
If that's the case all Shia Mosques and Husseiniyats around Sunni majority cities should be closed down. If this isn't hypocrisy then what is it, the other day when sudan sent Shia missionaries packing they were crying blood. Can you imagine a sunni praying with Hassan Shehata or Yasir Al Habib(top Shia cleric)?
Many Sunnis can't pray under a Shia Imam and versa, so why can't you provide a Sunni mosque for the Sunnis who at least make up 10% of the population of Tehran?

Common spare me that thrash, that means all Shia stuffs need to be closed down then.

We're not talking about Iraaq here, stop distressing. Shias of Saudi Arabia are better off than Sunnis in Iran. We should hear from the mouths of the Sunni Iranians themselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZCQoM9XGHk

Even according to Wikipedia, there are 10-15% Shias in Saudi, why inflating figures?

I can't confirm this, the Sunnis of Iran are more than what you attribute. The Kurds for example make up at 7 million of the Iranian population and this is about 9-10%, remember that they're majority Sunni. Now add this number plus majority 2.5 million of Sistan and Baluchestan Province, and some other minority Persian sunnis. That's a great number you know?
https://sonsofsunnah.com/2011/06/19/iran%E2%80%99s-sunnis-saudi%E2%80%99s-shias-a-fair-comparison/

Of course, I know, *grins*
Please proof of when King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud invaded najaf or karbala.

You know you guys problem, a protest is peaceful if you hold daggers, cutlass, sticks, clubs, stones, molotov, etc. That's a peaceful protest according to Shiaism, if this equipments aren't there, then it's just a March.

Yes they all responded by beating up innocent Sunnis in buses, schools and highways. That's the answer the government want, perfect!!!
What are saying for crying out loud? Even if the Sunnis settled in Bahrain, what right do you have to go tyou have to go to schools drag them out and beat them half dead? You even went as far as to compare them to Israelis, what kind of hatred is this. Peaceful protesters carry sort of nasty weapons and harm innocent students, expatriate and commuters. In the video I provided, sunnis were tied up like criminals and then beaten up by Shia nurses and doctors, have you no shame?

Your claim of invading is very unfounded and baseless, I seriously don't know what to say anymore. You kill people and then justify it with the most ridiculous reasons. It's just like me saying, there's a protest against the Nigerian government and then go about killing innocent fulanis, how does that sound? Stupid right? That's exactly how you sound!

Please for crying out loud, stop inflating Shia population figures!

Yes at the request of the legitimate Yemeni government!
He resigned after he was besieged and his home taken over by the rebels, he had to do that to save his neck. You know what they do to stubborn rulers when they refuse to surrender, I could call what he did takkiyyah.

Not his brothers but neighbors and this Wahabi foreign minister added that the two major threat is ISIS and Al Qaeda. There can be no peace in Yemen without the houthis just as there can be no peace in Syria without considering the Syria rebels, when I mean rebels, I mean the majority Syrians in the various rebel groups like FSA and the rest!

At times when you make some statement, I'm marveled. The president was elected and then revolted against by a group of rebels, do you expect him not show his power as a leader. The Nigerian civil war would have been avoided if the Biafrans never revolted, so why are you blaming saudi arabia? You need to blame Iran for arming the Houthis!

Ibos were part of Nigeria but when they seceded they were considered rebels. Hezbollah is part of Lebanese government, but if they fight/rebel against the government, they would be rebels who need to be fought against. The president had every right to fight against them because he's the leader of the country, dont let hate eat you up!

Last time I checked the Lord of Takfir are Shias, a Wahabi might declare you to be a innovator or be harsh in criticizing you but hardly do they declare you a kafir. In the fatwa I posted about Ibn Taymiyyah up, he didn't even declare the bulk of Shias kafir, he made excuses for them and this is the same with all Wahabis.

Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab(rah):
“As for what the enemies mention about me that I declare disbelief simply on the basis of conjecture or that I declare a disbeliever who is ignorant or the one who has not had the proof established against him, THEY ARE GRAVE LIES, by them they only seek to make the people flee from the religion of Allaah and his Messenger” (al-Muallifaat 7/25)

It's rather disappointing that you prefer to behave like a robot, I tell you things with clear proofs that Al Qaeda/ISIS are not Wahabis but you refuse. Anyways, continue with the ignorance, it won't take you anywhere.
The only reason why you use this words is because you're frustrated, and in a desperate attempts to make a point you can't withhold your emotions. Very pathetic I must say!

For the case of Saddam, his grudge with the Kurds is clearly ethnic but for Iran it's sectarian and ethnic.
It's ethnic for Iraq and Turkey but not Iran!

Majority of Kurds are Sunni, even the Fayli Shias are still hated by other Shias like you. There are around 35 million Kurds and majority of them are proud sunnis right from the onset, the Fayli are minority. According to this video, Kurds are a type of jinn that made themselves known, I seriously don't know how the Imams came to this conclusion. Oh! Maybe because many if them reside in mountainous regions! This explains why many Shias hate Salahuddin Al Ayyubi Al Kurdi(rah) and Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah(rah), this great Kurds have always been a torn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-dnKLHsb38
As for the rest of your posts, i've treated them previously, hence there's no need to keep repeating myself!

Demmzy15:


Last time I checked the Lord of Takfir are Shias, a Wahabi might declare you to be a innovator or be harsh in criticizing you but hardly do they declare you a kafir. In the fatwa I posted about Ibn Taymiyyah up, he didn't even declare the bulk of Shias kafir, he made excuses for them and this is the same with all Wahabis.
Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab(rah):
“As for what the enemies mention about me that I declare disbelief simply on the basis of conjecture or that I declare a disbeliever who is ignorant or the one who has not had the proof established against him, THEY ARE GRAVE LIES, by them they only seek to make the people flee from the religion of Allaah and his Messenger” (al-Muallifaat 7/25)