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Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by AntiWailer: 12:10pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
anonimi: I wish another person takes that case up. The certificate of the president is not a personal matter. We all deserve to know where it is if it exist at all. When Trump Challenged Obama on his Birth Certifcate , he released it for all to see. Even if the certificate is lost or stolen. Photocopy of the original sheet showing other candidates would have helped. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by PhilemonObende: 12:15pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Falana will go down in history as the yoruba charge-and-bail man who tried to convince ua that it cheaper and more sensible to employ 16 SANs to go speak long grammar in court than to simply tender a common WAEC certificate. What a buffoon! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by tee10: 12:19pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: The case a Ikpeazu is not criminal. I see the source of ur confusion now. The planitiff only advers that a criminal offience was commited in d processing of electoral process Individuals don't institute criminal proceedings in Nigerian The STATE/ DPP/ EFCC or other agents of state does! U goffed Its purely an election matter: ie whether an individual was validly elected Governor |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by ransomed: 12:24pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Certificated Liars that some people nickname lawyers are the major problems of this country. They run to court to get Restraining orders, injuctions and "touch not my corrupt clients" pronouncements from kowtowed Judges at the detriment of the nation and suffering masses. Lawyers, judges and politicians are operating like occultic group to decieve Nigerians from time immemorial. It is written that : woes are for Lawyers. Check Luke 11 : 46, before you crucify me. Thanks. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by popsonbj: 12:25pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
IMMUNITY tends to corrupt, ABSOLUTE immunity CORRUPTS absolutely! 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by tee10: 12:27pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: It was a civil case. Thrown out based on Section 308 By d way all lawyers and even a 200 level law student know u can sue a Governor based on electoral matters So stop been clever by half! Issue can d EFCC freeze a Governor acount in light of section 308? Fayose may be a criminal, but u can't turn d law upside down in ur attempt to bring him to justice! |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by popsonbj: 12:29pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
tee10: You are diverting this debate to another realm entirely. Fayose is NOT being prosecuted BUT being INVESTIGATED. So, please do not misform the public about the the issue at stake! 2 Likes |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:32pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: What else did the Certificate people want? I remember during the election people contacted the Examination body in England and they confirmed Buhari wrote the exam. The exams was ages ago and the format, is different. The fact is that he wrote his exam. The results, obtained exclusively by PREMIUM TIMES Wednesday, confirm Mr. Buhari’s claim that he undertook the University of Cambridge West African School Certificate Examinations and obtained five credits in English Language, Geography, Hausa Language, History, and Health Science. PREMIUM TIMES obtained the computer printout from Cambridge University as well as a statement of result, signed by the current principal of Katsina College, dated January 21, 2015. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/175384-breaking-katsina-college-releases-buharis-%E2%80%8Bwasc-results.html Note, PremiumTimes obtained a printout from Cambridge University. Go to the link, you will see a computer printout from Cambridge University. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:34pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
tee10: You that is clever by full, what is your point again. Are you saying Femi Falana is right or wrong? |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:39pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
tee10: FayOle's investigation is purely electoral because the money was used for electoral fraud. That is why there is no Absolute Immunity. When the crime is linked to Electoral fraud, it becomes a purely electoral case. 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by DobleO7: 12:42pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: 2 Likes |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:43pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
tee10: Who is turning the law Upside down? FayOle used embezzled money to give himself an unfair advantage in election. He is being investigated based on that. No immunity protects him from an electoral investigation. So no Absolute Immunity. Very simple. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by july66: 12:43pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Ozekhome is a sound lawyer. I respect him anytime, anyday. Falana was good but his views now have partisan finishing. Remember he was among those short-listed for AGF by PMB. The lecture referred to by Ozekhome was delivered at an event for Edo SSG, apc man. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by tee10: 12:46pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
popsonbj: Certainly Governors don't have immunity from investigation! However I will remind u dt a certain Governor's bank account has been frozen? The line between investigation and persecution is not very distinct now Fayose may be guilty and may be a criminal but turning law upside down as been opined by my learned slick does not serve the interest of justice Let's learn to do the proper thing, no matter how difficult |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by slimfit1(m): 12:51pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
ReabridCharles: Fayose is morally bankrupt if not he shouldn't have come out in public to shout. We and some families have lost members as a result of our military men not performing their duties because of fund diversion and substandard equipment. At a time that we need our country to be well secured some people are engaging in looting how do you call that patriotic. We are talking about a constitution that people didn't even bother to go through before calling it constitution. 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by tee10: 12:51pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: At this point I say no more. The case is in court, let both parties test there views in court. Let me remind u the case against fayose rest on money laundary and not “electoral fraud” thay u hang on to |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by pedrilo: 12:57pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer:In ur quest to promote the argument put forth by ur master, u kowtowed the same margin of error by deliberately avoiding the above quote from Ozekhome "Election petitions are generic, they are generic because they are in a class of their own. They are a hybrid, neither civil or criminal procedures. That is why *it is the CONSTITUTION itself that GIVES the RIGHT for a governor to be sued* *when they are CHALLENGING his MANDATE*, it is not the lower laws like an Act of parliament like EFCC. “EFCC is an act of parliament which is millions of miles lower than the provisions of the constitution". from the above clarifications, kindly juxtapose the bolded with the suit filed against Fayose by EFCC and tell me if it has anything to do with his MANDATE/election as Gov of Ekiti state. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by Cotton(m): 1:06pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
from the above clarifications, kindly juxtapose the bolded with the suit filed against Fayose by EFCC and tell me if it has anything to do with his MANDATE/election as Gov of Ekiti state. Has a suit been filed against Fayose by the EFCC? 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by AntiWailer: 1:12pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
pedrilo: EFCC did not file any suit against Fayose and suit filed by Fayose is different and has nothing to do in this context. Fayose is under investigation and not under prosecution. Accounts under investigation can be frozen to aid investigation. The constitutionality of that is very clear. Even though, debatable in the court of law just like A murderer will have a lawyer defending him too 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by tete7000(m): 1:17pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: As far as I know electoral matters and all relating to it have to be defended at electoral tribunal up to supreme court level. Once that it has been decided I don't agree such a governor can be taken to court again. Ikpeazu case is still at tribunal level, so it is understood why he still in court. Outside of electoral tribunal, can a sitting president or governor be taken to court except on cases like Buhari's certificate which predates his election and can thus not be suspended? I doubt. Is Fayose's case as to do with electoral tribunal? No! Can EFCC institute such legal case against him as a sitting president? I disagree. If his election has already been challenged at the tribunal up to supreme court and he has been vindicated, no more can be done against him until he leaves office. If they have those allegations of money laundering against his election, they should have taken it to the tribunal. Of course we know the tribunal itself has a time limit beyond when you can't sue again. 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by Surfboard(m): 1:42pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: Can you state the part of the law that says cases against elected officials must be suspended when they assume office? Maybe that will help clear the air. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:43pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
tete7000: Without the Investigation, how can the Court determine if FayOle commited an Electoral crime? EFCC are within their rights to investigate if FayOle commited an Electoral crime. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by pedrilo: 1:46pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
EFCC cud nt freeze fayose's account without approaching the court! and u can not approach the court to investigate a sitting governor in NIGERIA except issues relating to electoral matters that is the crux of the matter c'mon! AntiWailer: |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by AntiWailer: 1:59pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
pedrilo: Go online, you will see the court order obtained to freeze the account. 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by nortcentrallord(m): 2:10pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: What have you said that is different from what Mike said? Quit trying to confuse light feather minds. You are trying so hard and it's obvious. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by AntiWailer: 2:12pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
nortcentrallord: A valid statement when you have nothing to contribute to the discussion. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by nortcentrallord(m): 2:15pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
8BitGee: Did you even read the thread? Please let's hear you definition of electoral crime? What a shame! |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:15pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
nortcentrallord: Why not state why you think FayOle's lawyer is correct? |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by nortcentrallord(m): 2:17pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
AntiWailer: I didn't expect more... judging from your earlier comment. it's a shame. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by AntiWailer: 2:21pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
nortcentrallord: nortcentrallord: The shame is on you. Read the topic and read your 2 submissions. |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:28pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
nortcentrallord: There are crimes like Kidnap, murder, Theft, that the Section 308 protects Government officials. Then we have electoral crimes (Illegal Interference of electoral process) that the Section 308 does not cover the Government Officials. What Falana is saying is that if crimes like Murder, Theft can be linked to helping the government official win an election, then investigation and further prosecution can happen. Which means the Immunity is not absolute. 1 Like |
Re: Falana Goofed On No Absolute Immunity Submission, Ozekhome says by ReabridCharles(m): 2:38pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
slimfit1: I would now and always not call looting patriotic. But also, I am not a fan of ambivalence from the high and all mighty political elite. I only speak against the double standard and impunity of the present administration. Nobody is above the law but clearly some persons are, not of cus because they enacted those laws which also in my point of view makes a poor argument, but because they are affiliates of a particular political party. All politicians have skeletons in der cupboard. But we must as a people call for the doctrine of necessity and equity. Like as posited "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands" |
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