edwife:


The British opted out but the decisions are not yet in place as people still going and out of EU. It was reported that it will take at least two years before such can take place. Well i am against leaving but what can i do?

No sweerie, the UK was not part of the Schengen passport-free area prior to the Brexit.

You can do a lot. You can vote for any party but Le Pen's and you can participate in the elections for European Parliament. People complain that the EU is not democratic but less than 50% participate actively in the elections.

You can advertise for the European Union and enlighten people that it brought unprecented prosperity to ALL European countries.

Of all the arguments made against the European Union, one of the most common is to criticise the provision of free movement rights for EU citizens and this is where i have a problem with. I have a large family and should i have a visa anytime i want to visit? no more weekends trips **sigh** And the point of free movement was also to promote trade within the European area, which of course expanded over the years. The idea was to establish a liberal market economy where people could trade with each other across borders and the free movement of labour is part of that. I have friends who work in France and Italy.

Terrorists born on the European soil dictate what we should do. They fight our freedom and they succeed as we can see. They wanted to restrict our freedoms and we help them. Ironic, isn't it?

Apart from personal reasons which I share with you, it is illogical to think that destroying the EU will help diminish the rise of global terrorism.

Nobody was shouting EXIT when terrorists born in England attacked London. And nobody blamed them for allowing millions of Muslims from former colonies into Europe. But the British will shout exit because terrorists hit Paris?

Islamophobia has cluded their common sense.

My heart goes out to all the Syrian families who fled the war to find themselves in a Europe that treats all Muslims like prospective terrorists. And I am schocked that people whose parents were immigrants are the most prejudiced but when people treat them the way they treat others, they will be the first to shout racism.

And it irritates me that people think that the closing of borders will solve the refugee crisis. You can leave the EU but in order to deny refugees help, you will have to change the constituition. It has little to do with the EU because you will need a 2/3 majority in the national parliamanet to do so.

The refugee crisis should be solved internationally. We depend on solidarity. Whoever feels that you can have all the benefits the EU offers without responsibilities can go. Goodbye Britain. My heart goes out to all those who wanted to remain.

Mindfulness:


But it won't soothe their troubles. It will create more problems in the long run. Britain is the country that was opposing stricter regulations of the financial markets because London is the second biggest financial centre in the world but people didn't mention it when they were discussing Britain's situation and instead blamed innocent ones. What they also neglected is that the previous and current government neglected the industrial sector and thus destroyed thousands of jobs. And interestingly and unfortunately almost nobody (except of Cameron) mentioned that Britain has the lowest unemployment rate in a long time - despite immigration and is one of the strongest economies - despite or shall I say also because of immigration?

Like I said, blame it on Labour who didn't do their jobs. If they failed thus far, what assurance did the people have to keep them and their policies in power?

The leave campaign was based on lies and now they see the responsible people disappearing like thieves. They don't want to clean up the mess they created.

Lol. Now, you're being ridiculous. Nobody is being forced to run for PM. If you can't do the job, stay at home.

My heart goes out to the young people who were born into the European Union and who feel European and who with a qualified majority voted to remain in the European Union.

I heard a young British student talking of how he will no longer be allowed to be a lawyer elsewhere than Britain even though his choice of studies was based on the conviction that his degree will be internationally recognized and that after graduating he will go and live and work in France for some time.

I'm sure he'll be fine. Policies change all the time. If he can adapt, he'll be fine.

I know it's only a vision for now but Europe has suffered two bloody World Wars and more smaller wars on its soil before it succeeded to unite. They have experienced 70 years of peace ever since.

You'd do well writing children's story books.

Where did you get your numbers from?

Millions of German and Swedish women were raped?

What would you say the figures are, then? Mind, Germany and Sweden, amongst other European countries are covering up the actual rape figures.

Besides, Germany and Sweden are much safer for women than Nigeria, so what's your point?

Even if that were true, is the goal to make those countries as unsafe for women as Nigeria? Or aren't we to say things as they are because of sanctimony? That's a strawman, woman.

Don't tell me you consider the whole Arab world a threat. Abeg! We need to start respecting them more else we will create more terrorism.

The whole Arab world is a threat. They have chosen to own the terrorism industry. The "non-terrorists" among themhave been given asylum and are raping, robbing and assaulting their benefactors without the slightest compunction. And, by the way, they do not deserve more respect than is accorded any other people. If they are in the wrong they should be called out. If their response to being asked to be responsible is to perpetrate more irresponsibilty, then they can take a trip to hell.

fem29:


So so sad for ya . A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Seek help

Lalasticlala

You have to have it in the first instance. Thought I'd point that out.

Mindfulness:


The moment you start, is the moment you will be mercilessly ignored.



Germany did what European countries are obliged to do. There is something called Geneva Convention which clearly states that HUMANS are to be granted asylum under certain circumstances but since people ignorantly believe that immigrants are taking their jobs, they voted for Brexit.

Now Germany can relax agian. Britain is an agining society with low birth rates as well. Let us watch the decline now.

And let us watch how Frankfurt will flourish as Europe's new finacial centre.






The suicide bombers from France:

Fabien Clain - of French nationality
Abdelhamid Abaaoud - Belgian-Moroccan born in Belgium
Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national of Moroccan descent


All of the known perpetrators were EU citizens and not refugees but even if they were, you simply don't condemn a whole nation for what a few did. Who was calling me ignoramus again?

London attacks:

Mohammad Sidique Khan - born in England
Shehzad Tanweer born in England
Germaine Maurice Lindsay - born in Jamaica
Hasib Mir Hussain - born in England


Next time you make an assertion, prove it.



It's here for the world to see who the true ignoramus is.

Standing ovation, brava!

Hmmmm.. plenty seems to have gone down since my last input, where to butt in now?

Mindfulness:
I am passionate about Europe but I am not hurting. It's just that unqualified statements are irritating and you have just exposed your utter ignorance and since the British were obstructinist to reforms within the EU, life will be easier without them. And any country that is not a team player can leave too. I am all for a smaller Europe with countries that truly want to work on this project and shape Europe passionately instead of countries that act like the EU is an enemy and who ride on people ignorance that EU officials are not democratically elected.

Your passion for Europe engenders no inalienable rights . And it remains the inalienable right of Britain to opt in or out; for whatsoever reason we so choose. Swallow with plenty water .

Mindfulness:

Nonsense. You claimed that refugees = people with refugee status can cross borders and it was utter ignorance. Now you are swimming in your sea of ignorance referring to those who will be granted full citizenship even though most of them won't because refugees are suppossed to leave the country as soon as the war is over. You don't even know the difference between migrants and refugees. PULEASE!

Please show me where I claimed anything remotely like that One of the UK' problems is glaring. Insufferable pressure on infrastructure due to the influx of people. Asylumites, Fugees, Immigrants - legal and illegal - has lead to undue pressure. Not to mention the Islamicist threat with the influx from the middle east.

Mindfulness:

Only ignorant people will feel that a million Poles since 2004 are a threat to social services when in fact unregulated financial markets, which the British government was in favour of, are responsible for the crisis that hit Europe. Please, stop exposing yourself more. Have you explained why the union is undemocratic yet?

Hush you propagandist mouth. We who live here feel the pinch from the influx. School places, hospital beds, housing. We need to be smarter with how we manage this and who we let in.

The British governemtn was in favourt - but they enacted it alone in the EU abi . You so blinded. Surely that makes the point for you. Is not the EU better of without us then? We are not doing. Na by force? .

Mindfulness:

And why is it entirely about immigration now? Have you not the most welcoming culture as you claimed?

It's not - only in your head and the head of those who can't believe we prefer to be out of the EU. You have to paint us as bigoted and deceived to console yourselves . Sovereignty is a bigger bone of contention.

And the UK - especially London - is the most diverse and cosmopolitan of European countries. We have Asain, Black, Muslim etc. Mayors of major urban centers. How many Africans ultimately find their way to the UK via other EU countries.

Mindfulness:

Nationalism and tribalism has led to bloody wars but I don't expect someone like you to have a broader horizon.
Explain to us how laws are made in the EU before you use words like dictatorial. Have you not googled it yet?
And tell us when last you voted for the European parliament.

Nationalism builds strong Nations, by forging a common heritage and shared values. Be shouting EU citizen there like the nomad you are. Like what you found in Germany appeared out of nowhere based on the free movement of people. You are booming

Mindfulness:
Nations can also cooperate just like individuals.

Blinkered outlook and shoddy thinking. They do not have to subsume themselves in a forced, unequally yoked, political union to do so. We will still drive those finely crafted vehicles from the Bavarian Motor Works (I'm on Golf sha - all na Deutshe )


TV

Mindfulness:
Germany did what European countries are obliged to do. There is something called Geneva Convention which clearly states that HUMANS are to be granted asylum under certain circumstances but since people ignorantly believe that immigrants are taking their jobs, they voted for Brexit.

And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK

Mindfulness:

Now Germany can relax agian. Britain is an agining society with low birth rates as well. Let us watch the decline now.

And let us watch how Frankfurt will flourish as Europe's new finacial centre.

So Britain being in the EU stopped Frankfurt flourishing. Shouldn't you be happy that we are out?

Mindfulness:

The suicide bombers from France:

Fabien Clain - of French nationality
Abdelhamid Abaaoud - Belgian-Moroccan born in Belgium
Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national of Moroccan descent


All of the known perpetrators were EU citizens and not refugees but even if they were, you simply don't condemn a whole nation for what a few did. Who was calling me ignoramus again?

London attacks:

Mohammad Sidique Khan - born in England
Shehzad Tanweer born in England
Germaine Maurice Lindsay - born in Jamaica
Hasib Mir Hussain - born in England

Such bug-eyed blindness and pathalogical denial. So the terrorist atrocities are best disseminated based on citizenship or race . The lengths some people go to not mention the religion whose name they dare not speak. Not even when they subjugate you and make you a forced sex slave . Actually, I take that back. I've seen your pic, you won't make the cut


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Acidosis:


Yes, it is compulsory to pay bride price to a Nigerian family. It is our Culture.

Many families no longer collect bride price in Nigeria. As for name change Nigerian women like Joke silva have been doing it since so it has nothing to do with sounding posh or contemporary. Many women these days marry at an age when they've built an identity for themselves and so choose to retain their names or just add his. It's not a new thing and it will not stop anytime soon

I now see that the only way you could fall a victim to intellectual hoodwinking from a kid is because you aren't smart yourself.
Your carefreewannabe moniker was a true reflection of your penchant for carelessness and poor judgement. Mindfulness is an after thought after been burnt repeatedly by the flames of mundanity; you're a quack. Please watch your death and exhumation now.

Mindfulness:


The moment you start, is the moment you will be mercilessly ignored.



Germany did what European countries are obliged to do. There is something called Geneva Convention which clearly states that HUMANS are to be granted asylum under certain circumstances but since people ignorantly believe that immigrants are taking their jobs, they voted for Brexit.

[b]The Geneva convention does not endorse large and unprofiled immigrants. Western countries and developed countries still turn down asylum seekers and refugees even within the limits of the Geneva convention. Matter of fact a considerable number of EU member states decried and rejected the Syrian refugee and criticised Germany for its LARGE scale and open door policy of handling the refugee situation of Syria.

Was Markel not soundly criticised in Germany for her stüpid acceptance of undocumented, unprofiled Syrian?. Matter of fact a new movement was formed about keeping and safeguarding German heritage and customs. I don't do Google, I would gladly point out that group whose emergence came about because of Markel's stüpid asylum policies the sorts the West is yet to see since World War 2. Let me ask you this; did Markel not face staunch critism FROM HER OWN PARTY because of her sentimental handling of the refugee situation? Bwahahaha, dummy.

Go fix your false hair and do your phoney nails. I will crush you with facts. Lonely, idle woman who strangles Google for argument purposes and you know nothing. Loathsome daft!!!

Did Great Britain refuse accepting refugees? Nope they didn't. The smart Britains simply said they are going to Syrian and airlift refugess directly because most extremists have made their way with the refugees into Europe's doorsteps!!! Smart move.

Oh, girl. You be ignorant mumu. Category A Olodo.

Wowo dollard![/b]

Mindfulness:



Now Germany can relax agian. Britain is an agining society with low birth rates as well. Let us watch the decline now.

Lying quack! Dullard and petty insecure, lovelorn, Beldame seeking solace in false submission to hide under intellectual acclamation. Take it:

the UK's population is rising fast, whereas Germany's is falling fast;
the dependency ratio (the proportion of expensive older people in the population relative to able-bodied, tax-generating workers) is rising much quicker in Germany than in the UK.

You're just too ashamed to own up, too insecure to face defeat

Mindfulness:



And let us watch how Frankfurt will flourish as Europe's new finacial centre.

Voodoo goat! Are you using your sentiments as factual projection? Dullard. The UK economy is service and financial driven and oriented. Germany is purely industry and manufacturing. What sleezehole were you projected from?

The UK will continue to be the biggest financial and military player in EU and Europe. Olodo again.

Mindfulness:



The suicide bombers from France:

Fabien Clain - of French nationality
Abdelhamid Abaaoud - Belgian-Moroccan born in Belgium
Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national of Moroccan descent


All of the known perpetrators were EU citizens and not refugees but even if they were, you simply don't condemn a whole nation for what a few did. Who was calling me ignoramus again?

[s]London attacks:

Mohammad Sidique Khan - born in England
Shehzad Tanweer born in England
Germaine Maurice Lindsay - born in Jamaica
Hasib Mir Hussain - born in England

[/s]
Next time you make an assertion, prove it.



It's here for the world to see who the true ignoramus is.

Why did you leave out Chakib Akrouh? And you conveniently left out Omar Ismail Mostefai

Did you forget Samy Amimour. All Arab Europeans but went to Syria and came in with the refugees!

Did you forget the simultaneous and coordinated and premeditated New year attacks across major Western European cities, where Syrians emigrants molested and fondled the breasts of European women in broad day light?

Listen, mumu, don't let the new moniker fool you. I will so hammer you with facts your head will need pain relievers to deaden the realisation that you're a very big fool.

Now go change your hair colour with another fake one. Stop pretending to be an intellectual.

TV01:

And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK

Turkey: More than 2,5 million refugees from Syria
Lebanon: 1,5 million refugees from Syria
Jordan: More than half a million refugees
Saudi Arabia: Nearly half a million refugees

And the list goes on and on. It's astonishing how people will ignore FACTS in the GOOGLE AGE.

Have you cared to check what the institutional triangle is yet?

So Britain being in the EU stopped Frankfurt flourishing. Shouldn't you be happy that we are out?

Where exactly did you read it?

Such bug-eyed blindness and pathalogical denial. So the terrorist atrocities are best disseminated based on citizenship or race . The lengths some people go to not mention the religion whose name they dare not speak. Not even when they subjugate you and make you a forced sex slave . Actually, I take that back. I've seen your pic, you won't make the cut

TV

What would Jesus say TV01?

TV01:

Your passion for Europe engenders no inalienable rights . And it remains the inalienable right of Britain to opt in or out; for whatsoever reason we so choose. Swallow with plenty water .

I am not the female you can tell to swallow anything. Take it elsewhere if you can.

Please show me where I claimed anything remotely like that One of the UK' problems is glaring. Insufferable pressure on infrastructure due to the influx of people. Asylumites, Fugees, Immigrants - legal and illegal - has lead to undue pressure. Not to mention the Islamicist threat with the influx from the middle east.

The money that was wasted through Britain's position on the regulation of the financial sector could have been used wisely to invest in infrastructure. It would have created employment and growth. Primary level economics. Thank me later.

Hush you propagandist mouth. We who live here feel the pinch from the influx. School places, hospital beds, housing. We need to be smarter with how we manage this and who we let in.

Now everything will be better.

The British governemtn was in favourt - but they enacted it alone in the EU abi . You so blinded. Surely that makes the point for you. Is not the EU better of without us then? We are not doing. Na by force? .

It in many respects is. I have already said it.

It's not - only in your head and the head of those who can't believe we prefer to be out of the EU. You have to paint us as bigoted and deceived to console yourselves . Sovereignty is a bigger bone of contention.

Anyone who claims that EU countries are not sovereign has not done his homework properly.
Stop repeating what you heard on TV like a parrot and read a book other than the Bible for a change.

And the UK - especially London - is the most diverse and cosmopolitan of European countries. We have Asain, Black, Muslim etc. Mayors of major urban centers. How many Africans ultimately find their way to the UK via other EU countries.

Didn't London vote pro remain? You could not have chosen a worse example to make your point, could you?

Nationalism builds strong Nations, by forging a common heritage and shared values. Be shouting EU citizen there like the nomad you are. Like what you found in Germany appeared out of nowhere based on the free movement of people. You are booming

I didn't expect you to understand it. No surprises here. Boring as usual.

Blinkered outlook and shoddy thinking. They do not have to subsume themselves in a forced, unequally yoked, political union to do so. We will still drive those finely crafted vehicles from the Bavarian Motor Works (I'm on Golf sha - all na Deutshe )


TV

No substance at all.

Mindfulness:


Turkey: More than 2,5 million refugees from Syria
Lebanon: 1,5 million refugees from Syria
Jordan: More than half a million refugees
Saudi Arabia: Nearly half a million refugees

Carefreewannabe aka Mindfulness you can lie...........specifically the rich arab nations of the gulf;
http://www.immigration.ca/en/quebecimmigration-topmenu/187-canada-immigration-news-articles/2015/september/1992-countries-for-syrian-refugees.html

QATAR, the UNITED ARAB EMIRATES and SAUDI ARABIA are increasingly criticized by rights organizations, which say the wealthy Persian Gulf countries have not offered to take in a single Syrian refugee. However, these nations have contributed to humanitarian aid.

Turkey is just warehousing and processing them for onward travel to the EU proper - which Turkey will actually be joining shortly . Good luck with that. Soon to be renamed the EU Caliphate .


TV

TV01:

Carefreewannabe aka Mindfulness you can lie...........specifically the rich arab nations of the gulf;
http://www.immigration.ca/en/quebecimmigration-topmenu/187-canada-immigration-news-articles/2015/september/1992-countries-for-syrian-refugees.html



Turkey is just warehousing and processing them for onward travwel to the EU proper - which Turkey will actually be joining shortly . Good luck with that. Soon to be renamed the EU Caliphate .


TV

Quote your source instead providing me with your links. I won't click them. Were they also taken from a website designed by Christian fundamentalists as always?

Mindfulness:


Quote your source instead providing me with your links. I won't click them. Were they also taken from a website designed by Christian fundamentalists as always?

Caught red-handed . You plucked 500'000 for Saudi Arabia out of thin air - and you are asking me to quote sources . The link is to the Canadian immigration service - one of the most liberal left-leaning governments ever, or, a right-wing christian fundamentalist country if they don't corroborate Mindlessness' lies - I laff tire .

TV

TV01:

Caught red-handed . You plucked 500'000 for Saudi Arabia out of thin air - and you are asking me to quote sources . The link is to the Canadian immigration service - one of the most liberal left-leaning governments ever, or, a right-wing christian fundamentalist country if they don't corroborate Mindlessness' lies - I laff tire .

TV

Quote or remain silent.


You didn't even know that Turkey is the country with the highest number of Syrian refugees and you are still acting like you can discuss anything else other than marriage and feminism.

Mindfulness:


Quote or remain silent.


You didn't even know that Turkey is the country with the highest number of Syrian refugees and you are still acting like you can discuss anything else than marriage and feminism.

you should be arrested for murder damn!

Timbuktou:
Like I said, blame it on Labour who didn't do their jobs. If they failed thus far, what assurance did the people have to keep them and their policies in power?

What exactly didn't Labour do?

Lol. Now, you're being ridiculous. Nobody is being forced to run for PM. If you can't do the job, stay at home.

Before calling someone ridiculous, make sure you understand what the person said / wrote.
Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson - who were the symbolic figures of the leave side - resigned after the Brexit instead of taking responsibility for what they have created - a divided nation and an uncertain status.

I'm sure he'll be fine. Policies change all the time. If he can adapt, he'll be fine.

Of course he will but he is just one of the approximiately 70% of young Brits under 24 who feel European and who dreamt of a future in a UNITED EUROPE.

You'd do well writing children's story books.

I know, i am multi-talented.

What would you say the figures are, then? Mind, Germany and Sweden, amongst other European countries are covering up the actual rape figures.

Can you prove it?

Even if that were true, is the goal to make those countries as unsafe for women as Nigeria? Or aren't we to say things as they are because of sanctimony? That's a strawman, woman.

The goal is to make THE WORLD safer as a whole since it has shrunk as a result of the globalization processes and eras.

The whole Arab world is a threat. They have chosen to own the terrorism industry. The "non-terrorists" among themhave been given asylum and are raping, robbing and assaulting their benefactors without the slightest compunction. And, by the way, they do not deserve more respect than is accorded any other people. If they are in the wrong they should be called out. If their response to being asked to be responsible is to perpetrate more irresponsibilty, then they can take a trip to hell.

Overgeneralization. It's like saying that no Nigerian should be allowed visa and entry into any country since ALL of them are under general suspicion to be BH adherents.

And the mess that was created in those countries is to some extent still the result of a colonial past and America's foreign policies.

Mindfulness:


Quote or remain silent.


You didn't even know that Turkey is the country with the highest number of Syrian refugees and you are still acting like you can discuss anything else than marriage and feminism.

Mumu, Turkey is geographically in Europe for starters.

Two being the gate way into Syria and Europe, most refugees get stuck there trying to make it into Europe proper.

You can't really sound smart without telling lies by devilish omissions.

BloodyCrook:
Mumu, Turkey is geographically in Europe for starters.

Two being the gate way into Syria and Europe, most refugees get stuck there trying to make it into Europe proper.

You can't really sound smart without telling lies by devilish omissions.

Have you chilled out a little? Good, we can now continue.

Turkey, country that occupies a unique geographic position, lying partly in Asia and partly in Europe.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Turkey

Only a relatively tiny part of Turkey is in Europe.

Geography 101.

Mindfulness:
You didn't even know that Turkey is the country with the highest number of Syrian refugees and you are still acting like you can discuss anything else other than marriage and feminism.

You are so bogus - of course I knew that. I was referring to the rich gulf states, as evidenced here;

TV01:

And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK

Which middle-east countries count as stupendously wealthy? Lebanon , or Jordan - even Turkey if you count it ?

Mindfulness:

Turkey: More than 2,5 million refugees from Syria
Lebanon: 1,5 million refugees from Syria
Jordan: More than half a million refugees
Saudi Arabia: Nearly half a million refugees
And the list goes on and on. It's astonishing how people will ignore FACTS in the GOOGLE AGE.

Yet you posted a blatant lie, not an exaggeration or mis-quote, a steely-eyed lie. Ah, godless people no dey fear 0!!

Mindfulness - "Committed to combating ignorance with lies and deceit". Are you due a new moniker? This one has lost all credibility


TV

Mindfulness:


Have you chilled out a little? Good, we can now continue.

Turkey, country that occupies a unique geographic position, lying partly in Asia and partly in Europe.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Turkey

Only a relatively tiny part of Turkey is in Europe.

Geography 101.

Yet another classic show of illiteracy!!!

How has what you just wrote different in structure form mine? Oh, just a tiny part of Turkey is in Europe, and she's a European country despite her mixed race!!!

Clown.

And I saw you asking Timbuktou if he could prove if Germany hid her rape figures!!! Did your really asked that ?
As in you deny Germany did not legalise abortion and hid those figures in one of the Darkest moments of her nationhood?

Well, you're a black woman in a fundamentally racist country, you shouldn't know much.

author=TV01 post=47513871]
You are so bogus - of course I knew that. I was referring to the rich gulf states, as evidenced here:

And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK undecided

Which middle-east countries count as stupendously wealthy? Lebanon , or Jordan - even Turkey if you count it ?

So you were talking about the countries who can meet all of the criteria above? How many are they?
And if they don't, we can neglect the historic accomplishment of a self-given promise to protect those in dire need?

And you want to teach others Christian values and tell others that they lost credibility - as if they care?

Jesus wept!

Yet you posted a blatant lie, not an exaggeration or mis-quote, a steely-eyed lie. Ah, godless people no dey fear 0!!

Innocent until proven guilty.

Mindfulness - "Committed to combating ignorance with lies and deceit". Are you due a new moniker? This one has lost all credibility

Only people who take NL seriously can say something like that.

Mindfulness:


What exactly didn't Labour do?

Enough to make most common people want them out.

Before calling someone ridiculous, make sure you understand what the person said / wrote.
Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson - who were the symbolic figures of the leave side - resigned after the Brexit instead of taking responsibility for what they have created - a divided nation and an uncertain status.

Don't be so naive. This is politics. Surely, there must have been some agreement with Theresa May and co before even the referendum held. If you think May coming up is a coincidence, think again.
This is a script playing out. You think there's any politician who doesn't want to be President or PM? Wake up, Mind, this isn't Fantasia.

Of course he will but he is just one of the approximiately 70% of young Brits under 24 who feel European and who dreamt of a future in a UNITED EUROPE.

And the remaining 30%? What makes their own feelings and dreams any less legitimate or worthy than that of the 70%?

I am multi-talented.

So is
every other human. Nothing unique there.

Can you prove it?

I'm going to have to refer you to google. It's such an open secret I'm surprised you are in the dark about it. Or maybe it's just plain denial? Denial and cover-ups that your beloved German government have made into an art. Now that you take that path, I suspect it's now public policy.

The goal is to make THE WORLD safer as a whole since it has shrunk as a result of the globalization processes and eras.

You do have a point. Germany has become safer in the past two years. Surely, shrinking makes safer?

Overgeneralization. It's like saying that no Nigerian should be allowed visa and entry into any country since ALL of them are under general suspicion to be BH adherents.

If a sizeable number of Nigerians turn out to be BH adherents it would be legitimate grounds to deny ALL Nigerians visas. That's how generalisations work. Nothing is ever a 100% as there will always be outliers. But if a high enough number of samples from a pool show a certain chatacteristic, it is natural to expect other such elements to possess such characteristics.

And the mess that was created in those countries is to some extent still the result of a colonial past and America's foreign policies.

This is true in part. These people also have to take responsibility for their actions.

Fanirandele:


Many families no longer collect bride price in Nigeria.

LIE

As for name change Nigerian women like Joke silva have been doing it since so it has nothing to do with sounding posh or contemporary.

She was already a stage actress known as Joke Silva.

Many women these days marry at an age when they've built an identity for themselves and so choose to retain their names or just add his.

LIE

Mindfulness:

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson - who were the symbolic figures of the leave side - resigned after the Brexit instead of taking responsibility for what they have created - a divided nation and an uncertain status.

Did you type this before or after he was appointed the new foreign secretary by Theresa May?

Mindfulness:
So you were talking about the countries who can meet all of the criteria above? How many are they?

No. Only pointing out that their extremely wealthy near kith and kin have for strategic reasons of their own, refused to adhere to the GC they are also signed up to. Worth pointing out, and perhaps scrutinising, no?

Mindfulness:
And if they don't, we can neglect the historic accomplishment of a self-given promise to protect those in dire need?

There goes your blinkered hive mind again. Charity is always laudable, but at the potential cost of destroying that very thing upon which prosperity and the ability to give is based? More later.

Mindfulness:
And you want to teach others Christian values and tell others that they lost credibility - as if they care?

You keep drifting, but happy to segue from politics to faith. More later.

Mindfulness:
Jesus wept!

The shortest verse on the Bible. Please set it in context. More later, blasphemer!

Mindfulness:
Innocent until proven guilty.

Make that "ignorant & guilty"

Mindfulness:
Only people who take NL seriously can say something like that.

You are such a phony - weren't you the one wailing like a banshee when this discussion took a turn towards the EU project .


On a more serious note. I said something earlier about Europe's big problem being the plummeting fertility rate. I take that back - in a sense. In trying to be focused on the political specifics, I left out what I see to be the bigger issue.

Europe's real problem is that they forgot about God, without Whom there can be no real morality, and as a consequence strong families. Hence the falling birthrate, which is a symptom of this bigger issue.

The other symptom is the rise of what we'll call Jihadist fundamentalism - lest you go into meltdown . Indeed, JF has always been with us, but strong Christian nations, or at least strong nations with intact Judeo-Christian (or other) heritages, had a natural bulwark against them.

Now, with the loss of those JC roots - at least in any meaningful way - the double whammy, falling fertility and JF is actually doubled down, as they are forced to compensate for the FF with people from the wider JF pool. Ironic huh? Gods judgement is so sure. And yes, there will be weeping.

That is why strong nations with robust cultural heritages and traditions are important (in the EU's case JC). It's why the hive mind, based around what are at best tertiary imperatives like inclusion and diversity, are doomed to fail. So yes, your utopian vision of a world without borders and full inclusion will come, and exceedingly more, but only with Christ at his coming.

Men can't of themselves actualise this, as there can never be universal shared values. At best we can have certain communities, societies, ethnicities or nations with differing degrees of rapprochement. Unions above a certain size - like the Tower of Babel project - will always fail. Not least because some will always seek to subsume or silence others of different persuasion.

On another note, it's why women, and especially childless ones,must never lead nations in a time of crises. When everything is going well, no real problem. In mature countries the infrastructure is in place, and in prosperous times, little can go wrong. National leadership isn't even that important, and more symbolic - Even sef, lassie the wonder dog could make a decent fist of it

But in times of crises, not so. It's why Merkel' fumble is colossal. She went with her hive mind indoctrinated feelings of fulfilling her "mutter" role (which she didn't in real life), and with the same utopia you delusionally espouse. And probably marked a new era in the descent of the West.

No man, man with a family, or even understanding woman with children would ever spit in the eye of their own cultural roots in that manner. I'm not bragging by the way, we just got Theresa May

You see the politics of it all is actually relatively unimportant to me. No, I don't vote in parliamentary elections, or even care who my local MEP is. I am not partisan, as none of them do His will or work to see His Kingdom come. Both main parties here were "for gay marriage". How can a christian champion either. I only voted in the referendum as it was a national, not partisan issue.

Hope you enjoyed lesson in Bible eschatolgy, culture & heritage and world affairs. Of course, if you have Christ, there'll be no tears, and all will be revealed in the light. Tick, tock


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TV01:
No. Only pointing out that their extremely wealthy near kith and kin have for strategic reasons of their own, refused to adhere to the GC they are also signed up to. Worth pointing out, and perhaps scrutinising, no?

There goes your blinkered hive mind again. Charity is always laudable, but at the potential cost of destroying that very thing upon which prosperity and the ability to give is based? More later.

You keep drifting, but happy to segue from politics to faith. More later.

The shortest verse on the Bible. Please set it in context. More later, blasphemer!

Make that "ignorant & guilty"

You are such a phony - weren't you the one wailing like a banshee when this discussion took a turn towards the EU project .


On a more serious note. I said something earlier about Europe's big problem being the plummeting fertility rate. I take that back - in a sense. In trying to be focused on the political specifics, I left out what I see to be the bigger issue.

Europe's real problem is that they forgot about God, without Whom there can be no real morality, and as a consequence strong families. Hence the falling birthrate, which is a symptom of this bigger issue.

The other symptom is the rise of what we'll call Jihadist fundamentalism - lest you go into meltdown . Indeed, JF has always been with us, but strong Christian nations, or at least strong nations with intact Judeo-Christian (or other) heritages, had a natural bulwark against them.

Now, with the loss of those JC roots - at least in any meaningful way - the double whammy, falling fertility and JF is actually doubled down, as they are forced to compensate for the FF with people from the wider JF pool. Ironic huh? Gods judgement is so sure. And yes, there will be weeping.

That is why strong nations with robust cultural heritages and traditions are important (in the EU's case JC). It's why the hive mind, based around what are at best tertiary imperatives like inclusion and diversity, are doomed to fail. So yes, your utopian vision of a world without borders and full inclusion will come, and exceedingly more, but only with Christ at his coming.

Men can't of themselves actualise this, as there can never be universal shared values. At best we can have certain communities, societies, ethnicities or nations with differing degrees of rapprochement. Unions above a certain size - like the Tower of Babel project - will always fail. Not least because some will always seek to subsume or silence others of different persuasion.

On another note, it's why women, and especially childless ones,must never lead nations in a time of crises. When everything is going well, no real problem. In mature countries the infrastructure is in place, and in prosperous times, little can go wrong. National leadership isn't even that important, and more symbolic - Even sef, lassie the wonder dog could make a decent fist of it

But in times of crises, not so. It's why Merkel' fumble is colossal. She went with her hive mind indoctrinated feelings of fulfilling her "mutter" role (which she didn't in real life), and with the same utopia you delusionally espouse. And probably marked a new era in the descent of the West.

No man, man with a family, or even understanding woman with children would ever spit in the eye of their own cultural roots in that manner. I'm not bragging by the way, we just got Theresa May

You see the politics of it all is actually relatively unimportant to me. No, I don't vote in parliamentary elections, or even care who my local MEP is. I am not partisan, as none of them do His will or work to see His Kingdom come. Both main parties here were "for gay marriage". How can a christian champion either. I only voted in the referendum as it was a national, not partisan issue.

Hope you enjoyed lesson in Bible eschatolgy, culture & heritage and world affairs. Of course, if you have Christ, there'll be no tears, and all will be revealed in the light. Tick, tock


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Save your religious doctrines to those who care to listen to this kind of nonsense.

Fanirandele:


you should be arrested for murder damn!

This is what happens when people take up fights they cannot win. It wasn't murder, it was suicide.

Mindfulness:
Save your religious doctrines to those who care to listen to this kind of nonsense.

Conscience dey pepper you abi? It barely touched on religion.

Mindfulness:
I have a vision of a world without borders where everyone can move freely. I hope I will come to see it before I die. One world, one human race!

And this is not religion? Na to sing "kumbaya" remain !

Please let us know how this "moving freely" goes with your Jihadi Fanatics. And if they enjoy the sing-a-long . The delusion is strong .


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TV01:

Conscience dey pepper you abi? It barely touched on religion.

What conscience?

And this is not religion? Na to sing "kumbaya" remain !

Please let us know how this moving freely goes with your Jihadi Fanatics. And if they enjoy the sing-a-long . The delusion is strong .


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No, it's geopolitics.

And to me, you are not much different from these Jihadists. You would also force people to do something they do not want to in the name of religion if you could.

Mindfulness:
What conscience?

You have rightly said . But conscience or none, we will all answer.

Mindfulness:
No, it's geopolitics.

Call it what you will. Geopolitics, ideology, culture, religion, philosophy, lifestyle whatever. None of these are capable of changing the hearts of men. Black and white have lived side by side in the US for centuries. Ostensibly there is liberty for all, yet things are getting worse not better.

Whatever the way of man, it fails. Is Tribalism getting any better in your homelands? Is partisan politics doing the trick? The liberal left and the conservative right are engaged in culture wars wherever they appear. Now even male and female relationships are being toxified - and in a generic way, that ultimately harms individual families. What you have up their is a pipe dream - best smoke it

Mindfulness:
And to me, you are not much different from these Jihadists. You would also force people to do something they do not want to in the name of religion if you could.

Nice try. Archetypal with your ilk. Slander and smear tactics . I preach a gospel, it is for you to accept or reject it. Gods grace that you would, but that's in no way down to me.

And in actualising your utopia, would you not of a necessity have to force people who would prefer to be insular or parochial to remove borders, or open themselves up to what they consider alien and undesirable influences? Exactly what Merkel is doing in Deutscheland. Here is a quote from Hillary Rodham Clinton;

“Far too many women are denied access to reproductive health care and safe childbirth, and laws don’t count for much if they’re not enforced. Rights have to exist in practice — not just on paper,” Clinton said.

“Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will,” she explained. “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed. As I have said and as I believe, the advancement of the full participation of women and girls in every aspect of their societies is the great unfinished business of the 21st century and not just for women but for everyone — and not just in far away countries but right here in the United States.”

Effectively using the law and government agencies to remove difference in cultures, beliefs and practice to effectuate her ideology. How is that different from Jihad?

Or even your e-buddy shaybebaby, who wanted me locked up because I considered married opposite-sexed 2 parent homes to be the best for children ? People with understanding will see beyond your deceitful rhetoric.

I'm sure you've heard the news just in from Nice. RIP to the dead and condolences to their families. How close does your utopia sound now? Not if you live to be a 1'000 years old. Please don't bother posting names and citizenship of the perpetrators.


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You have rightly said . But conscience or none, we will all answer.

Call it what you will. Geopolitics, ideology, culture, religion, philosophy, lifestyle whatever. None of these are capable of changing the hearts of men. Black and white have lived side by side in the US for centuries. Ostensibly there is liberty for all, yet things are getting worse not better.

Whatever the way of man, it fails. Is Tribalism getting any better in your homelands? Is partisan politics doing the trick? The liberal left and the conservative right are engaged in culture wars wherever they appear. Now even male and female relationships are being toxified - and in a generic way, that ultimately harms individual families. What you have up their is a pipe dream - best smoke it

Nice try. Archetypal with your ilk. Slander and smear tactics . I preach a gospel, it is for you to accept or reject it. Gods grace that you would, but that's in no way down to me.

And in actualising your utopia, would you not of a necessity have to force people who would prefer to be insular or parochial to remove borders, or open themselves up to what they consider alien and undesirable influences? Exactly what Merkel is doing in Deutscheland. Here is a quote from Hillary Rodham Clinton;

Effectively using the law and government agencies to remove difference in cultures, beliefs and practice to effectuate her ideology. How is that different from Jihad?

Or even your e-buddy shaybebaby, who wanted me locked up because I considered married opposite-sexed 2 parent homes to be the best for children ? People with understanding will see beyond your deceitful rhetoric.

I'm sure you've heard the news just in from Nice. RIP to the dead and condolences to their families. How close does your utopia sound now? Not if you live to be a 1'000 years old. Please don't bother posting names and citizenship of the perpetrators.


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Forcing people to do something they don't want to is your forte, not mine. The underlying principles on which you operate are very much in tune with those of Muslim fanatics.

And if you can't see the perfection with which the world is evolving, that's your loss and not mine.

Keep praying and fasting for a time machine that will take you back to the Middle Ages. Everything used to be better back then.