SIRcumalot:

forgot about that.
well let's hope napoli don't roll over and let them have higuain for less than 90million.

elampiro:
VI

I tire for you o. Always verify your claims before you post.

1. You claimed Kagawa came on and changed our game. Abegi, Kagawa started the game (See the attached) . And I don’t know what you meant by Rooney was wasteful. Rooney was in scoring form that period averaging a goal per match as a striker.

2. Against Newcastle it was Januzaj who changed the match when he came on for young.

3. I also don't need to check the highlight against West Ham. The match is fresh in my memory. That was the match Rooney scored from half way, in the second half the match lost its shape as West Ham went forward to try look for goals.

4. Your praise of him against Norwich, Sociedad, etc shows too Mata wasn't his reason for his occasional good games. It was Rooney who played with Kagawa in these matches, not Mata.

elampiro:


Against Villa, Kagawa did not start. We were already 2-0 up (two goals from Rooney) before he was brought on in the second half.

funlord:
_SHIT........



Toni kroos available for
£50 million?


Man city already on the move!


www.theweek.co.uk/manchester-city-transfer-news/69161/man-city-transfer-news-50m-for-toni-kroos-could-torpedo-man-utd

elampiro:


Mr Kagawa,

I don't know how to put it to you again. Mata didn't offer anything different from What Rooney used to offer. Kagawa had a 'on' and 'off' with both Rooney and Mata. It was even Januzaj that brought the difference in that spectacular display against Newcastle. If you recall, Mata and Kagawa were useless when Young was on the field and ineffective on the right. Our attack was lame until Januzaj brought a spectacular performance to our attack when he came on for the injured Young in the first half.

Same way Mata and Kagawa were clueless against Southampton until Kagawa was taken off at half time.

These guys were not big game players in the EPL. The games they managed to boss were against small oppositions.

My last response on the subject. Gat to move forward with the current squad.

funlord:




I will come back to this your post firstly when the transfer window shuts and secondly after the first 10 games of the season!



No run oh!!!

Dadehmola:
The more reason why we shouldn't take solace in "pissing into madrid's face" when we are clearly the transfer market "deperadoes" & most importantly, the Spanish club's transfer market dealings have been excellent in the past 3years Thereabout..

Till then...

SailorXY:

We'll be pissing in Madrid's face twice in two years if the Pogba deal goes through. Believe it or not.

How do you measure desperation? Some clubs need some certain players but they simply can't afford. Have you forgotten the famous "no value in market" when it was clear to the blind our midfield was piss & shiit? Fergie didn't want the fans to panic but hell we were lacking & simply broke cuz of Glazer's loans. We managed to stay competitive while neglecting pressing concerns for 5 years. We are feeling the brunt now.

Real Madrid couldn't compete for Pogba (reports have it they were actually in the race & PULLED OUT) - take it to the bank.

There was a time players moved to Madrid @ the snap of a finger & you think it's because Spain is the most beautiful country in world? Woodward has said he's here to correct that 'bully into submission' tactic. Hell we lost Ronaldo in his prime to Madrid, players are laborers. It just is what it is.

If for nothing, this Pogba insistence is to pass the message more clearly in case they didn't get the memo in the de Gea saga!
Real can wear their 'thrifty' tag, we'll see how long their necks will hold it!

So true bro, Ronaldos transfer was the most painful though Madrid has a history of taking our best players, its time to correct that!... The only reason i support Madrid in matches like El Clasico is b'cos of Ronaldo.

Diademk07:

You keep bringing up Southampton game but did you even check how the team played? Kagawa was deployed in a 2-man central midfield alongside an awful Fletcher who was never the same player after his long injury lay off. You should put that blame on Giggs for the ridiculous set up. More so, Kagawa did look a bit good in the central midfield inspite of the 2-man midfield setup.
And I repeat Januzaj never brought any change in the Newcastle game. He was lucky to have had that huge minutes due to Young early injury in the match. Furthermore, Januzaj form already tailed off in the latter part of the season and Young was preferred to him.

Diademk07:


I was actually going off from what your post implied that The team was already 2-0 up before Kagawa came in.

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Diademk07:


However, that has been proven to be untrue in every way, I.e, Kagawa did started and he was the catalyst behind our equaliser which came through a penalty that resulted from his awesome pass to Mata, he also had hand in the other goals..

Diademk07:



Against Newcastle, regardless of januzaj, the team were doing great. More so, Januzaj came in around the 16mins when Young got injured. Hence, the game had just started and we already had a goal ruled out for a handball even before the introduction of Januzaj. In fact, Januzaj was lucky to have played in the game because he wouldn't have, if Young wasn't injured.

That said, from my post, you can deduce that Kagawa best position is in the middle regardless of who's playing infront of him. Hence, the Leverkusen, Sociedad, Norwich games had him behind Rooney or at least, his best moment came when he was moved behind Rooney in the latter part of those games. Even his impressive debut game against Everton was behind Rooney as well.

But all that doesn't mean Rooney was an integral part to Kagawa's play. The key point is ''to play him in his preferred central role'' regardless of who's in front of him. After all, his fantastic performance in the Swansea match had Welbeck deployed as the striker.
However what I'm implying is that if you were to deploy Kagawa on the wing, you would have to create a tactic that allows him to constantly drift inside while interchanging with whoever is in the centre. This was what Mata offered whereas the problem with Rooney was that he hardly drift to the wing, which would have allowed Kagawa to come inside. More so, Rooney one touch linkup and interplay were/are still awful, probably due to his inconsistent first touches..

SailorXY:

We'll be pissing in Madrid's face twice in two years if the Pogba deal goes through. Believe it or not.

SailorXY:

How do you measure desperation? Some clubs need some certain players but they simply can't afford. Have you forgotten the famous "no value in market" when it was clear to the blind our midfield was piss & shiit? Fergie didn't want the fans to panic but hell we were lacking & simply broke cuz of Glazer's loans. We managed to stay competitive while neglecting pressing concerns for 5 years. We are feeling the brunt now.

Telegraph:

Manchester United have wasted more money on expensive flops than any other Premier League side since Sir Alex Ferguson retired, according to a new report.
The Soccerex Transfer Review by Prime Time Sport found that United had blown almost £118 million on players who were used for less than half of the minutes played by the club since the summer of 2013.

SailorXY:

There was a time players moved to Madrid @ the snap of a finger & you think it's because Spain is the most beautiful country in world? Woodward has said he's here to correct that 'bully into submission' tactic.
Hell we lost Ronaldo in his prime to Madrid, players are laborers. It just is what it is.
If for nothing, this Pogba insistence is to pass the message more clearly in case they didn't get the memo in the de Gea saga!
Real can wear their 'thrifty' tag, we'll see how long their necks will hold it!

elampiro:



1. How many games did Kagawa play in the wing with Mata in the middle? List the games.

2. How many did he play in the wing without Mata in the middle that same period?

3. In the Newcastle match, how come nothing got going for us until Januzaj came on?

elampiro:


So you decided to use error to reply a mistake?

I actually mixed up two events, it was against West Brom Kagawa came on in the 76th minute to play on the left, and we were already up 2-0 (see the attached) . Against Villa, he started.





Was that really an awsome pass to Mata or a pass intended for Rooney?



The Norwich game I was referring to was 2012/13 when he scored a hatrick.

In 2013/14 Kagawa was on the left and Rooney in the middle, when be beat Norwich again 4-0. I think Mata missed that match because Valencia was on the right.

It looks though at the time we were getting great results and with good attacking play against small teams. It didn't matter who started in the hole or the left wing.

Diademk07:


1. Mata got signed in January and was mostly played on the wing while Kagawa was relegated to the bench until the media cried out that Moyes was misusing his big money signing, Mata on the wing.
Afterwards, Moyes deployed Mata in the centre but our play still looked laboured and boring with occasional scrapping win until Moyes stumbled upon playing Kagawa on the left with Mata in the middle against Westham and for the first time, the team looked fluid with Kagawa being an integral part of our fluid play inspite of the 2 goals scored. Even Moyes had praise for Kagawa in that match and afterwards, the coach continued with that same line-ups.
As regards to your Question, the games were Westham, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Everton. I won't mention the City game because Kagawa was benched and only came in as a sub.
It was only the Everton Match the team lost with both Mata and Kagawa on the pitch. I would even attribute the loss to our open midfield which had the less physical slow paced Fletcher and Carrick. Prior to that game, our midfield always had either one of Carrick/Fletcher and Fellaini. We had more possession in the game but the midfield was left exposed to counter attacks.

Diademk07:

2. The game he played on the wing without Mata were basically the games before Mata was signed in January and they includes Westbrom, Fulham, Stoke, Arsenal and Norwich. At no time did he look good in any of the matches.
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Diademk07:


3. In the Newcastle game, we already had a goal wrongly ruled out for an handball before the introduction of Januzaj and the goal would have been assisted by Young. I need to also remind you that we were just 16 mins into the game before Januzaj came on for an injured Young. Januzaj was even invisible in that match until his late goal.

Diademk07:

The 13/14 Norwich game was scrapping as well. We had a penalty milked out by Welbeck and the second goal was Rooney trying his luck from 25 yards assisted by a simple pass from Kagawa until the floodgate opened in the latter part of the match. Kagawa didn't even have his best game in that match until he was hauled off for Young.

Against Aston Villa you said Kagawa's awesome pass to Mata won us a penalty (even though the pass was a misdirect 'cos it was intended for Rooney). But against Norwich you said Welbeck milked out a penalty.

Against Villa you credited Kagawa for his Assist for Rooney (a cross from outside the box which Rooney headed in). But against Norwich, you said Kagawa's Assist was because Rooney tried his luck from outside of the box.

Against West Ham, you said our attack was fluid because of Mata and Kagawa played together behind Rooney (even though West Ham had the upper hand until we were two goals up, then in the second half West Ham had a lax defence as they went forward). But against Norwich you said our early goals opened the floodgate for claim attacking play in later part of the match.


Mr. KAGAWA I HAIL YOU.

elampiro:


You are wrong. It was RVP and Welbeck injuries that forced Moyes to play Rooney as the striker. Then Mata played behind, and we immediately began getting big results against small teams. The good results against Small teams continued even when we e eventually played Rooney in the number 10. But big teams beat us silly.

You mentioned only four games and we lost to to Everton terribly, which is another thing I mentioned that these guys weren't good against big teams.

Lastly, three games is a small sample to have concluded that Kagawa did well in the with Mata in the middle. He also did well in the wing in that period with Rooney in the middle. Again, we may ask if we really bossed the game against West Ham or the tempo of the game went down after we were comfortable at 2-0.



What about our 4-0 win against Norwich on 26th April which was Giggs first match in charge and Rooney's last match of the season. ? Kagawa was on the wing.

You are also wrong here. Before Mata was signed, Kagawa played on the wing against Leverkusen at home and was very good beside Rooney. Against Leverkusen away, Kagawa was flanked by Nani and Valencia where he had another good game. So it has nothing to do with Mata, but the occasional flashes of the
little Japanese.



Yes we were 18 minutes into play before Young injured, but we were seriously under threat. Although Young offered a good defensive play running up and down the right wing. But as soon as Januzaj came on, we held Newcastle in their half totally. Young offered direct run along the line, but Januzaj brought a flair to the right wing with the defence inability to predict which way he would go. This benefited the other three attacking players.

For ease of reference, I have attached

1. Our matches that period.

2. The ones played by Mata.

olabode89:


Pogba's acquisition is beyond what he offers on the football pitch. Woodward is a PwC trained accountant and ex-JP Morgan asset manager, you think say him and the finance team never checkout the deal?

Pogba's signing is a statement signing, gone are the days when Madrid go out bid and bully us. Fans should be happy that the Glazer family are readily spending on player acquisition.

The Dutch dude you mentioned cannot tie Pogba's boots in terms of global outreach and revenue generation. I trust dem Woodward boys to milk "the return of the prodigal son" theme and make some solid revenue.

Make them spend the money jare!

elampiro:


Against Aston Villa you said Kagawa's awesome pass to Mata won us a penalty (even though the pass was a misdirect 'cos it was intended for Rooney). But against Norwich you said Welbeck milked out a penalty.

Against Villa you credited Kagawa for his Assist for Rooney (a cross from outside the box which Rooney headed in). But against Norwich, you said Kagawa's Assist was because Rooney tried his luck from outside of the box.

Against West Ham, you said our attack was fluid because of Mata and Kagawa played together behind Rooney (even though West Ham had the upper hand until we were two goals up, then in the second half West Ham had a lax defence as they went forward). But against Norwich you said our early goals opened the floodgate for claim attacking play in later part of the match.


Mr. KAGAWA I HAIL YOU.

Dadehmola:
We broke the PL transfer record for Di Maria - he flopped... only to sell him to his prefered destination a year after.

Yeah, Keylor Navas isnt as good as De gea but he was one of Madrid's most consistent players in their CL triumph.

Both transfers have favored Madrid (atleast for now) so i ask again - how have we pissed in their faces?

and in the last 3 seasons wey we bin don dey splash the cash karmi kazee style, what has happened?

and to think we would still have to travel to places like Cyprus, Malta, Albania etc on wednesdays despite the huge investments??

ofcourse, e no concern us - Chevrolet & Addidas money still full bank!

why should the obsession with "Out-spending Madrid" or "passing messages accross to them" become key objectives when they are better than us in areas that matter most?

If Real Madrid (who are richer and incidentally..more prudent than we are presently ) are achieving more than us (both on & off the field of play), i find it hilarious when our very own fans try so hard to use the spanish Giants as a form of consolation as regards transfer dealings.

If we are to get back on track,the optimization of transfer funds (by looking to spend the right amount of money on the right players) should take precedence over some irrelevant transfer tussle/competition with a club that is clearly ahead of us.